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Funny thing is, all Taus has done is point out things both past and present which Mogus himself has said, and offered his opinion based on facts. If anyone is taking this too far, it's Mogus. Furthermore, it's been publicized (by Taus himself no less) that Mr. Appleton is well aware of his actual identity, so it's not an issue of an anonymous person hating on someone with less anonymity.
Even funnier is that your statement is possibly the greatest insult to Mr. Appleton's intelligence & integrity in this whole thread. Think about it; you're basically saying that he's too stupid, arrogant, or otherwise mentally incapable of dealing with this situation in a rational manner, so MMORPG.com should delete the thread in order to protect him from himself...
It is not the job of any authority figure, be it a site admin or a government, to protect people from themselves. People are ultimately responsible for their own words & actions, and the consequences thereof.
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For those who are late to the party:
This is not even close to the start of JA's threats of lawsuits. They began when information from his personal blog was compiled and posted on the Wurm forums. Fearing for his credibility, he edited his blog and threatened to sue those people. It was these threats of lawsuits that have been the biggest detractor to his credibility. Each time he makes these threats, more people decide to make enemies out of him, some of whom he then threatens lawsuits against. JA has principally threatened lawsuits on the basis of unfavorable facts. Many of these unfavorable facts are regarding his threats of lawsuits.
I am not making personal attacks. I am not "trolling". It is worth noting that I have previously made groundless accusations regarding his motives and character which I do not stand by, which could be reasonably seen as personal attacks.
[Originally Posted December 2nd 2012: Information regarding GM website is outdated, 'shadiness of the operation' comments are referring to the website which was revamped before this repost.]
Greed Monger's Jason Appleton Threatens Lawsuit vs Forum Posters Using Kickstarter Money
I was an active member of the Greedmonger community, until I noticed a forum thread where Mr Appleton argued with some critics, then used an Alt to threaten to sue them and the forum they were posting on using money from the Kickstarter campaign. Upon seeing this I was irate, outed him on Greedmonger's forums, where my posts were deleted and I was immediately banned and labeled as a 'troll', and IP banned when I attempted to repost my findings. Upon posting this evidence on an interview regarding said controversy, my comments were deleted.
There is clear suppression of information going on around this project, and most of the fans are absolutely trusting "the developers can do no wrong" types - anyone who posts disagreement or question is immediately considered a hater/troll. Add to this the fact that the website itself is a facade, all features resulting in broken links, and all newsposts containing one sentence of information. Regardless of whether or not the developers are sincerely attempting to put out a real product, the shadiness of the operation and that the lead developer will threaten to use fundraiser money to sue people on the internet who hurt his feelings is enough to raise a lot of doubt.
References:
http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/69845-greed-monger/page__st__40#entry694003
http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/69845-greed-monger/page__st__40#entry694030
http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/69845-greed-monger/page__st__60#entry694406
In the first link MaHaBone (an alt of Mr Appleton's, the second alt, after shaitan) threatens legal action against the forumgoers and Wurm Online itself. If he deletes/edits that post, it is quoted in the following post.
In the second link, MaHaBone threatens that the kickstarter money could be used to fund a lawsuit. If he deletes/edits, it is quoted 3 posts down.
In the third link, Enki, forum Administrator, clearly identifies Mr Appleton with his alts and states "Do not continue using secondary forum accounts for the purpose of deception or threats against our members".
The fourth link is to a youtube interview where Mr Appleton addresses most of the controversial points regarding his credentials to make an MMORPG, where some of my comments which contained above information, under handle "squeethehobo", were deleted.
Notes: Shortly thereafter I personally contacted Markee Dragon regarding the removal of my comment from his video, and he didn't think that had happened. Others responded to the comment before it vanished, so it's hard to say what happened.
Thank you for your support. Mr. Appleton is indeed aware of who i am in real life and i have no problem with that.
I have never attacked Mr. Appleton personally saying silly things like he eats babies or something along those lines. In fact, in the original thread i told him more than one time that i think he has the intention of making this game and not run with the money, but that i think people should be aware of the fact that it is a very risky investment pointing to the links provided.
Mr. Appleton went to extraordinary lenghts to boast about his past experience. He publicly posted that information about himself. He prides himself in mentioning his past experience at every possibility, in video interviews, interviews here on MMORPG (now removed), on his LinkedIn profile...
What i did was link to posts by him or to his blog containing information about these experiences and I then asked everyone to draw their own conclusion.
I will say it again. I do not think that Mr. Appleton is a scammer. I think he genuinely wants to make this game and i admire him for his persistence and stamina as much as i despise his constant threats against my person and his stalking.
I personally think its a disaster and will never see the light of day, but that is just my opinion.
I will even go so far as to promise to apologize here publicly on MMORPG if Mr. Appleton prooves me wrong and releases a great game.
Cheers | taus01
If you read my OP you will see that the only thing i did was inform people that greedmonger changed back to Unity. I also asked why they removed every trace of the game, even interviews. Is that wrong or an attack at Mr. Appleton or his game?
It has never been about right or wrong. It is about information and the removal of it. I am sure we all can agree that MMORPG can do whatever they please on their forums, but that does not mean we as a community have to like it. If there is a concern about this becoming a presedence (which i seriously doubt) then people should be able to voice that concern.
If a disgruntled developer comes here and threatens to sue MMORPG and some of it's users then it should be made public and discussed because it affects everyone to some extend.
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Are you also going to threaten to sue if they don't?
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I personal find it disgraceful that this Jerry Springer episode has been allowed to keep going. The class of this site has definitely gone down on this site over the years. I am all for honesty but this trash thread has stopped about being honest y a while ago.
Hehe so many bored people.
I know I am, only reason I'm reading a drama thread about a game I don't care about changing to an engine I don't care about from an engine I don't care about.
The armchair legal debate was amusing for 10 or so pages though.
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I just have to ask , Is any of this even worth the effort?
Even if the guy is a scam artist ( which I dont think he is ) why put all of this time and effort into posting about it? I think its fine to have an opinion and not contribute to the KS but this almost seems like a crusade against him and the company.
I personally do not think this will ever even get off the ground. An inexperienced dev team lead by an even more inexperienced guy has pretty much zero chance of making it in this market. If they manage to pull it off then good for them I say.
I guess I just dont see why its anyones duty or business to warn people away. If people want to contribute to a KS that seems shady at best then thats no one elses business.
This just seems like alot of trouble for a game & company that you really have no personal stake in. Even if you donated to KS you should have done the research and made an informed decision. Then have to live with it for good or ill.
Wait. . . are you serious? You realize that the vast, vast majority of them actually accomplish what they say. In the case of Greed Monger, it hasn't even been proven that he won't bring the game to fruition. I've backed tons of things on Kickstarter, and all of them have paid off (except for the ones that haven't finished yet, of course). Blaming Greed Monger for your mistrust is not very well founded.
Yet you found it compelling enough to warrant an effort on your side to make this post. It's good to hear different opinions and that is a great thing about forums. They are full of opinions mixed in with facts. No one was warned about anything, people can make up their own mind if they want to back a project on Kickstarter or not.
I do believe that people have the right to check facts if they are used to promote a project that asks them for charity. Kickstarter is just that, it's a charity site.
Would you donate to a charity before checking the facts? Would you say everyone that warns about shady charities should mind their own business?
I've got to say, I'm astounded at how far this thread has gone.
Some interesting points:
1) This is a kickstarter project, yet, Greed Monger and Jason Appleton threatens to sue MMORPG and various forum affiliates over "defamation" -- with what money? Is he using kickstarter money for a legal battle?
2) Now when you search for Jason Appleton MMO or Jason Appleton Greed Monger, these MMORPG threads come up on the first page. For someone who's threatened to keep himself out of the limelight, by fueling this fire, he's brought it closer to the forefront.
3) This is a site dedicated to MMORPG players, which is Greed Mongers prime objective, and many of us have accounts on other similar sites... overall this is a bad play for them. Whereas this "defamation" could have previously been set as conjecture had there been no response, it is now a very big reality that they are ostracizing their playerbase.
4) Many of us on this site are either in the process of creating games, have worked on games in the past, or plan to create games in the future. Some of us have funding from private companies, others are self funding and others may be part of a Kickstarter campaign. Look at Mark Jacobs and the Camelot Unchained kickstarter, or Pathfinder Online, you don't see them here attacking and threatening to sue, even after all of controversy over WAR.
5) PR starts when the game is in a workable state, not when its bouncing back and forth between engines. Its almost as if the game is back down to square one. Even non-designers can see the gross mismanagement at this stage, and its not the fault of the "game" its the fault of the lead developers. If people are blaming Jason Appleton for this, and he's making the design decisions, then - sorry - but this is to be expected. If this was an investment deal, investors would have pulled out for less, luckily this was a kickstarter campaign and as far as I'm aware, the money is gone to the "investors". All that is left until there is something concrete is animosity. This comes with the territory.
Lastly, I am quite fond of this site, and Bill, and have absolutely no respect for someone who would threaten them in any capacity, and then turn around and repost their "disappointment" of Bills decision to address the public with the issue. This is childish and a massive fault on the part of Greed Monger and all involved.
I agree with what your saying for the most part. And as for the effort of me posting thats just me killing time on a day off work.
And for the most part I would say people should mind their own business. I guess if I donated to a shady charity without doing due diligence and fact checking then thats on me.
But my main point was more along the lines of - is this worth your time personally? if it is then all good, its your time after all. Just seems like alot of effort and trouble for no return. I am not above proving a point just to prove a point, but usually there is more of a reason than what I have seen here.
Appleton has totally flubbed this up from a PR perspective and should have handled things differently to say the least. Threatening lawsuits was just a bad idea from the word go. He would have been better off just ignoring it or asking nicely for the game forums to be removed.
Either way I hope it all works out for the best for everyone involved.
Well according to this stat, more than half of all kickstarter projects are not even successfully funded.
We don't know what percentage of those that are successfully funded go on to complete their project, so you can't really say the fast majority accomplish what they say now can you?
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats
I think that might be a bit much. I'm sure he was talking about funded kickstarter projects, not that everyone who's had an idea has been successful. That said, I don't know of a single game that has come out from being funded by kickstarter. It's been my impression that they are all still in development.