I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...
I am also sure the website will get a lot better but between the website and the kickstarter page I am sure you can work out what the game is going to be about..
Tho at the end of the day the game is not for everyone.. they know its going to be a niche game at best and thats what they are aiming for..
I don't support this game. After looking at the website it's more of a news outlet then anything. No real "guts" or information relayed.
Seeing them grab through kickstarter made me look into the game but it's not one I'd support.
Same here. I find it bizarre that so many people will throw money at a promise. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I think it would be funny if the game ended up being a mobile 2D browser game managed by EA...with cool islands of course.
I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...
I am also sure the website will get a lot better but between the website and the kickstarter page I am sure you can work out what the game is going to be about..
Tho at the end of the day the game is not for everyone.. they know its going to be a niche game at best and thats what they are aiming for..
I think the OP is more referring to the people who have not yet been informed of this game yet. Potential backers, the people reading up on this game for the first time. But you do make a good point, you should be able to figure out what the game is about by visiting both the website and kickstarter page.
#2 it's obviously a wordpress template and they are doing the best they can.
#3 most of what you are asking to see doesn't even exist yet - and if it did under features and all you saw was a description of what is planned you would bitch about that too.
#4 why don't you post some of your portfolio and volunteer your services so it's done a better way
I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.
With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that is amature.
Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.
TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.
I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.
With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that is amature.
Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.
TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.
The critique is valid, but as has been pointed out we don't even know if the game will be developed yet. We can tell a lot of time was devoted to the KS page.
We will know in 21 days if this game will happen. A super fancy webiste won't change much at this point.
Mark has already stated he will be out 150k for the KS effort. Its easy to point fingers when its not your money.
If people here think they can do a better job, then nobody is stopping you from making a fan site.
I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...
Well, they can't afford to just rely on people who'd heard about the CU before or at the launch of the KS project. They HAVE TO atract more and more prospective backers and players, both new, who haven't played DAOC, and old hard-core RvR fans. Having said that I welcomed the website as the CSE's one is simply ugly.
While the CU website does have some issues I guess the critique was a bit too harsh - with links to KS and all the Fundational Principles a potential backer may get all the info he or she needs. What I would actually add is some bullet-point summaries of the FP's at the beginning of each article, so young, impatient minds could have it all well-summed up.
I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.
With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that is amature.
Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.
TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.
I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...
Well, they can't afford to just rely on people who'd heard about the CU before or at the launch of the KS project. They HAVE TO atract more and more prospective backers and players, both new, who haven't played DAOC, and old hard-core RvR fans. Having said that I welcomed the website as the CSE's one is simply ugly
This basically in regards to the site. It is rather poor in trying to garnish supports, you shouldn't be depending on people researching in other areas for information. The website is rather poor for sure when it comes to delivering details of what exactly the game is, a fundamental part to actually getting support as the OP says, it NEEDS to explain what the project is and talk about it. As someone who never played DAOC (sue me) the whole push towards DAOC never sold me on even finding interest on the kickstarter and it just lacks good details to strike my fancy. The website just leaves people wondering more rather then giving answers.
somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.
somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.
Absolutly on point. The info is out here, it just needs to be presented on CU site for new people to see. And disclaimers are no problem. "Any of this information is subject to change"
As someone who was interested from all the DAoC talk but never actually played it, I went to the kickstarter interested. The campaign they put together was awful and told me nothing, it was worse than shroud of the avatar campaign by a decent margin and that's saying something. Will not be investing.
Seems like they set it up to interest old players from the game but haven't given new players enough to go on. I still don't really know what the game's about beyond RvR and sandboxish.
somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.
Holy Crap, MJ needs to sign off on this and post it on the Kickstarter page and his website. Its sad that he would rather argue with forum goers and potential backers then simply get a list like this compiled and on the sites hes using to promote the game lol.
Originally posted by mackdawg19 As a Web Designer/Developer for almost 5 years now and degree's to support, I approve of this messege. Its almost like they used one of those sites that puts a website together for you in 10 minutes. Doesn't really shine a good light on a project your trying to get the public to fund for. Cmon Mark! <--------as ESPN announcers say.....
I know all kinds of people with major degree's and in major positions they probably shouldn't be. They suck at what they do but know how to bullshit, whats your point?
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
You know, you can contact Mark Jacobs directly through the Kickstarter page with your suggestions. He might not have time to check every thread every day here or elsewhere. From some posts recently in this thread people already have compiled lists of relevant information. Send him it, maybe he can put it up front and center.
Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.
Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.
Criticizing the website at such an advanced stage is childish net picking.
Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.
Just trying to clarify things here. Are you referring to the information MJ has given us about CU or the Thread starters post about the website?
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I don't support this game. After looking at the website it's more of a news outlet then anything. No real "guts" or information relayed.
Seeing them grab through kickstarter made me look into the game but it's not one I'd support.
I will never support freeloaders, no more subsidized gaming.
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I guess the OP has not been keeping up with the blogs, most people interested in the game will have read all the blogs the guy posted in the months prior to the kickstarter campaign going live...
I am also sure the website will get a lot better but between the website and the kickstarter page I am sure you can work out what the game is going to be about..
Tho at the end of the day the game is not for everyone.. they know its going to be a niche game at best and thats what they are aiming for..
Same here. I find it bizarre that so many people will throw money at a promise. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I think it would be funny if the game ended up being a mobile 2D browser game managed by EA...with cool islands of course.
I think the OP is more referring to the people who have not yet been informed of this game yet. Potential backers, the people reading up on this game for the first time. But you do make a good point, you should be able to figure out what the game is about by visiting both the website and kickstarter page.
The OP is right about 1 thing, when it comes to websites people's attention span is very
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He's serving a useful purpose. Just like pointing out a bug in a beta test, he's telling you where you have a problem.
The CU website is a "bug" in Camelot Unchained's Kicstarter Campaign.
A more approachable and informative website shouldn't be too big a task. Just fix it.
littlemonkey
As a web developer and designer for the last 15 years I would say there are better ways to lay out the content yes... but
#1 they do not have a web person in house
#2 it's obviously a wordpress template and they are doing the best they can.
#3 most of what you are asking to see doesn't even exist yet - and if it did under features and all you saw was a description of what is planned you would bitch about that too.
#4 why don't you post some of your portfolio and volunteer your services so it's done a better way
To the OP:
I do not disagree with most all of your points. The website does not really appeal to me and isn't very clear and concise.
With that said, there are far better ways to present constructive criticism without turning into a full on flame-warrior or making your observations 'brutal'. If you think the website is amature, you should look at your approach to a professional - that is amature.
Cursing and being brutal is not criticism, it's just a flame. You have some really salient points that needed to be made, but which will go largely unread and ignored by the very people you want to be paying attention due to the nature of how you stated it. How did that help your cause or message at all? It didn't.
TL;DR - You don't have to be such an ass about how you present something in order to get your point across in a professional manner. You will always get better results with constructive criticism instead of outright hateful bashing.
Hear hear!
The critique is valid, but as has been pointed out we don't even know if the game will be developed yet. We can tell a lot of time was devoted to the KS page.
We will know in 21 days if this game will happen. A super fancy webiste won't change much at this point.
Mark has already stated he will be out 150k for the KS effort. Its easy to point fingers when its not your money.
If people here think they can do a better job, then nobody is stopping you from making a fan site.
Well, they can't afford to just rely on people who'd heard about the CU before or at the launch of the KS project. They HAVE TO atract more and more prospective backers and players, both new, who haven't played DAOC, and old hard-core RvR fans. Having said that I welcomed the website as the CSE's one is simply ugly.
While the CU website does have some issues I guess the critique was a bit too harsh - with links to KS and all the Fundational Principles a potential backer may get all the info he or she needs. What I would actually add is some bullet-point summaries of the FP's at the beginning of each article, so young, impatient minds could have it all well-summed up.
Nice ducks!:P
This basically in regards to the site. It is rather poor in trying to garnish supports, you shouldn't be depending on people researching in other areas for information. The website is rather poor for sure when it comes to delivering details of what exactly the game is, a fundamental part to actually getting support as the OP says, it NEEDS to explain what the project is and talk about it. As someone who never played DAOC (sue me) the whole push towards DAOC never sold me on even finding interest on the kickstarter and it just lacks good details to strike my fancy. The website just leaves people wondering more rather then giving answers.
I agree. There should be info like that:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-KiQ-LGWEr0QjfihJ8AZ5itidYV4aXbmdXwAHfOjgQ/edit
somewhere. Even kickstarter page doesn't say much about the game. Everything is on forums / reddit / comments. Most people who followed all tha things have already donated. We need new people who doesn't know anything about the game. People the most time leave page very fast if there is nothing that takes their attention.
Damon aka Consequent put a TON of effort into this FAQ
http://itcu.enjin.com/forum/m/12563697/viewthread/6521232-camelot-unchained-faq
I recommend starting here if you're confused in any way about he game.
Absolutly on point. The info is out here, it just needs to be presented on CU site for new people to see. And disclaimers are no problem. "Any of this information is subject to change"
Nanulak
As someone who was interested from all the DAoC talk but never actually played it, I went to the kickstarter interested. The campaign they put together was awful and told me nothing, it was worse than shroud of the avatar campaign by a decent margin and that's saying something. Will not be investing.
Seems like they set it up to interest old players from the game but haven't given new players enough to go on. I still don't really know what the game's about beyond RvR and sandboxish.
Holy Crap, MJ needs to sign off on this and post it on the Kickstarter page and his website. Its sad that he would rather argue with forum goers and potential backers then simply get a list like this compiled and on the sites hes using to promote the game lol.
I know all kinds of people with major degree's and in major positions they probably shouldn't be. They suck at what they do but know how to bullshit, whats your point?
Sometimes when folks have nothing of substance to say they will say anything regardless of it's merit. Good 'ol internet attention seeking and validation.
Put your expertise to use. Send mark a website that he can look at...maybe he'll let it be put up for KS duration.
apparently it's some basic design program.....send him a file of your vision
Just trying to clarify things here. Are you referring to the information MJ has given us about CU or the Thread starters post about the website?