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Could this xpac relaunch the game to be as popular as Neverwinter?

burdock2burdock2 Member UncommonPosts: 420
in Star Trek Online
From what I heard, the game updates the graphic s to bring them on par with Neverwinter and has streamlined UI. This could be the XPAC to revitalise the game! Heres hoping!!
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  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite Member UncommonPosts: 411
    I've had a go on the test server and it is quite good. I'm thinking about taking a break from LotRO  for a bit to spend more time playing STO as it is very enjoyable.
  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    It certainly looks and feels fresh on the test server. Here's to hoping.

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  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Trek did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

  • StrommStromm Member Posts: 243
    Originally posted by syntax42

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Wars did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

    That made my day.

  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by syntax42

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Wars did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

    I assume you are just trying to up your post count. Between the distort graphics comment and talking about the completely wrong franchise......

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  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by syntax42

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Trek did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

    I assume you are just trying to up your post count. Between the distort graphics comment and talking about the completely wrong franchise......

    I'll assume the same with your post which doesn't contribute to the discussion.

     

    If you actually read my post instead of trolling, you will see that I have genuine interest in reading about the expansion, but I won't go to their web site to dig through weeks of "news" to find relevant information.  My comments were about tactics to make games seem like they have good graphics when all they do is cover up their bad graphics with certain graphics options.  I want to know if Star Trek is just doing the same, or if they are actually improving models and replacing textures.

     

    Edit:  I shouldn't post when I just woke up.  I've been typing Wars instead of Trek.

  • thecapitainethecapitaine Member UncommonPosts: 408

    I think for people who are on the fence about STO or who maybe got burned out on it before, the expac may bring them to the game.  It's a big positive step for a design team that I've frankly had my misgivings about in the past.  However, I think Neverwinter has some advantages that make it automatically more popular than STO's expansion can be. 

     

    First, it's a brand new game without all the baggage and reputation that STO has built up since it's launch.  Second, it's in the fantasy genre which seems to generally be a bigger draw than sci-fi.  Finally, Neverwinter itself is a big step up in almost every area from earlier games like Champion's Online and STO-- every system seems like a refinement over what's come before and the lessons learned are incorporated into the game.  STO has had to go through lots of growing pains to get to where it is and I think that diminishes its overall appeal to a lot of the MMO community.

  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,373
    Originally posted by thecapitaine

    I think for people who are on the fence about STO or who maybe got burned out on it before, the expac may bring them to the game.  It's a big positive step for a design team that I've frankly had my misgivings about in the past.  However, I think Neverwinter has some advantages that make it automatically more popular than STO's expansion can be. 

     

    First, it's a brand new game without all the baggage and reputation that STO has built up since it's launch.  Second, it's in the fantasy genre which seems to generally be a bigger draw than sci-fi.  Finally, Neverwinter itself is a big step up in almost every area from earlier games like Champion's Online and STO-- every system seems like a refinement over what's come before and the lessons learned are incorporated into the game.  STO has had to go through lots of growing pains to get to where it is and I think that diminishes its overall appeal to a lot of the MMO community.

     Many people felt betrayed by the game.  I believe many went back like I did a few times to find the same disappointments they found previously with the game.  At this point, I have simply moved on.  I'm not sure I will ever go back to STO as a little wine, shine and dine won't convince of the shortcomings I experienced each time I went back.

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749

    What do you mean by revitalize? The f2p switch did that 1.5 years ago, STO is now pretty much vitalized :)

     

    But I agree with you, an expansion with a 3rd playable faction (ok, semi-faction) is much better marketing-wise than a mere new season, in a way that it can spread the word more efficiently - so yep, I think there will be login queues again and fully stuffed zones when the romulans kick off, just like it happened at the 3rd anniversary.

  • JyiigaJyiiga Member UncommonPosts: 1,187

    Will it help - yes.

    Will it attract people like a new game does - nope. 

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Member UncommonPosts: 823
    It's all smoke and mirrors crap that Cryptic does pretty frequently. In this case it's done to capitalize on the release of the new movie. The new content is reskinned ships with renamed powers/consoles that do exactly the same thing that the other factions get. Even the story lines are retreads for the most part, set in the faction setting so as to appear fresh for the most part. It's Cryptic cashing in, on the fanboi's of Star Trek. They have every right to if people are dumb enough to give them their money, but don't believe they are doing anything new, or improved.That would require an effort and cost that Cryptic isn't prepared nor will to expend.

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  • SquatchinSquatchin Member Posts: 93

    Hey with the addition of the Romulans I am in for a little while at the very least. I have wanted the Romulans for quite some time as they are one of the more fascination races in Star Trek.

    I can't see it as being a huge boost in the player base but there will be numerous people coming back to the game to check things out for sure. I've played it off and on since launch and have enjoyed my time in the game.

     

    Heres to hoping its a great recovery for STO.

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  • evictonevicton Member Posts: 398

    I don't think the ui and graphics are really gonna make as much of a difference as what else is comming in the xpac. I think what will help it more is KDF being playable from level one. And the star of the xpac being the romulan semi faction.

    I don't think however that suddenly this game is gonna experience any kind of huge population growth. If you didn't like the game before I don't think theres anything here thats gonna change your mind.

  • lolunaticlolunatic Member Posts: 108

    I'll NEVER touch a cryptic game, and I know that A LOT of people go by the same rule. Cryptic makes mmos about as a deep and complex as a flash game.

     

    So I doubt STO will get major life breathed into it...

  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

    STO is hard core asian grind crap game but it is still very popular coz it is Star Trek mmo.

    Noticed ,some peoples mentioned 3th faction,STO is 2 faction game it is burn in stone now,Romulans are not faction it is only playable species on KDF/Fed side.

     

    1.  STO is made by an American company.  By definition of "asian grind game", that makes it impossible to be an asian grind game.

    2.  Every game has grind, even WoW.  Get over it.

    3.  There is indeed a third faction being introduced.  This has already been established a while ago.  Before this, Romulans have not been a playable species in STO.  People could create a facimile of Romulans in the character creation, but they will not be a playable species until the expansion.  Please pay attention to the dev blogs if you are going to try to post a statement that is easily proven false by searching them so you can avoid doing so and damaging your argument.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by lolunatic

    I'll NEVER touch a cryptic game, and I know that A LOT of people go by the same rule. Cryptic makes mmos about as a deep and complex as a flash game.

     

    So I doubt STO will get major life breathed into it...

    "Cryptic games are as complex as flash games, and I know this because I have never played one."

    Fail logic is fail.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by AG-Vuk
    It's all smoke and mirrors crap that Cryptic does pretty frequently. In this case it's done to capitalize on the release of the new movie. The new content is reskinned ships with renamed powers/consoles that do exactly the same thing that the other factions get. Even the story lines are retreads for the most part, set in the faction setting so as to appear fresh for the most part. It's Cryptic cashing in, on the fanboi's of Star Trek. They have every right to if people are dumb enough to give them their money, but don't believe they are doing anything new, or improved.That would require an effort and cost that Cryptic isn't prepared nor will to expend.

    First off, if this was truly supposed to capitalize off the release of the movie, the added features would be very different.  This expansion is made to implement several suggestions players had via a poll, including full fledged KDF content and playable Romulan species/faction.

    Secondly, the expansion is not out, so all your claims of "oh this is nothing more than a reskinned ship with recycled powers" and "they copied and pasted the story from the Fed section and gave it a Romulan paint job" are nothing more than smoke and mirrors themselves.  After all, once again, the expansion is not out yet, and content in test phases do not reflect the content in the release phase.  If only you had the patience to wait until the release to say this stuff; I might have believed you then, but now, all I see is "I hate Cryptic for no reason other than to hate it so I will bash it and make up stuff that cannot be backed up to ruin their image" whining.

    Also, EVERYONE cashes in on fanbois or the equivalent.  Heck, right now, you are cashing in on (unreasonable) hatred for Cryptic, trying to convince people that an expansion that isn't even out yet is the worst thing released ever.  Again, at least try to wait until after the release so that you can actually back your opinion on "personal experiences".

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • MadDemon64MadDemon64 Member UncommonPosts: 1,102
    Originally posted by Jyiiga

    Will it help - yes.

    Will it attract people like a new game does - nope. 

    But it will still attract people.

    Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  • SanguinelustSanguinelust Member UncommonPosts: 812
    Originally posted by BreakingBad
    I've had a go on the test server and it is quite good. I'm thinking about taking a break from LotRO  for a bit to spend more time playing STO as it is very enjoyable.

    Same here. I love the space combat and need a break from middle earth.

  • redcappredcapp Member Posts: 722
    Originally posted by lolunatic

    I'll NEVER touch a cryptic game, and I know that A LOT of people go by the same rule. Cryptic makes mmos about as a deep and complex as a flash game.

     

    So I doubt STO will get major life breathed into it...

    This.  And this is largely because of what they did to Star Trek.  I really don't care how much 'better' it is than it was upon release.  The game system itself is hugely flawed, especially given the IP.  So disappointing that Cryptic was given this project instead of some other studio that actually respects Star Trek for what it truly is.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Ummm what do you mean make popular? the game already has great healthy population. You make it sound as if STO is dead. When was the last time you played the game OP? it is full of players.

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  • JedicowboyJedicowboy Member UncommonPosts: 140
    Originally posted by Stromm
    Originally posted by syntax42

    This does not sound like an expansion pack.  It sounds like they rearranged the UI and enabled some graphics fluff in the graphics engine.  Asian MMOs do that all the time.  They add bloom, depth-of-field, motion-blur, and make the screen image seem softer, and people are tricked into thinking those are good graphics.  In reality, the Asian MMOs that do this are using very bad graphics and taking advantage of video cards to distort the image into looking decent.  If that's all Star Wars did, this is not an expansion pack.

     

    Expansion packs have traditionally added significant amounts of content.  A graphics update or UI change would be categorized as just another client patch.  So, are they adding content, or is this just a major patch?  I have genuine interest in the game, but only if they are producing real content.  I have no desire to look at their web site and try to figure out where they put that information.

    That made my day.

    LOL wow, from what ive seen of it on the test server, i absolutely love the new idea, and it does bring a fresh look to the game now.  I know one thing  I ENJOY THE GAME A LOT MORE NOW.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    I doubt anything SciFi will ever be as popular as Fantasy, especially something as popular as D&D and its rich history.  Never played STO but isn't it like Eve, where your characters are ships?  Huge turn off for a lot of people that want to Role Play a singular entity, and a Heroic Entity at that.  IMO its way more immersive and fun to play as Frodo then it is to play as Starship Enterprise.  Well that is my jsutification for only playing fantasy games anyway.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • redcappredcapp Member Posts: 722
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    I doubt anything SciFi will ever be as popular as Fantasy, especially something as popular as D&D and its rich history.  Never played STO but isn't it like Eve, where your characters are ships?  Huge turn off for a lot of people that want to Role Play a singular entity, and a Heroic Entity at that.  IMO its way more immersive and fun to play as Frodo then it is to play as Starship Enterprise.  Well that is my jsutification for only playing fantasy games anyway.

    That's not an argument against SciFi in any way.  SciFi is not limited to space sims and such. 

     

    And the existence of the Star Wars IP pretty much proves that SciFi is a contender with fantasy.  I say this as a fantasy fan first, btw.

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