Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
Yeah. Do you remember the skull-rattingly emptiness with which both those two sites pimped SWTOR pre-launch?
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
The amount of paranoia, skepticism, harsh cynicism and rampant assumption to back those stances is pretty sad in this thread. Are you all really that unhappy and angry inside? It's ok to be excited for something guys, or to just let things unfold before assuming the worst.
I dont think the skepticism comesfrom the actual game (which we know nothing about anyway) its more the fact that they name best of E3 a game that wasnt even at E3.....officially that is ....
Sadly after reading this forum thread I reached some startling conclusions.
1/ The amount of paranoia displayed by some should warrant some level of medication.
2/ The amount of butt hurt displayed because of the "They saw something I didn't not fair not fair WHAAaAaaa" is staggering.
3/ The exact same conversations about hype that have occurred for, oh I don't know how long has this website been going now, I joined so long ago now.
So final overall conclusions would be .
A/ We are all dumb as rocks for learning nothing over a protracted period.
B/ Classic description of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
The reveal is what August 2nd why doesn't everyone take a huge dose of get over themselves and wait the very short period to find out if they are mad, paranoid or correct.
PS still love you guys, hugs (indication of mad behaviour)
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
Yes. The industry has been clogged with over-hyped crap for years. YEARS. This site, and others, have taken an active roll in hyping trash.
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
Many of us have been waiting years for EQN. However, we also know who is behind the helm of the game. Yes, there is anticipation. Yes, there is skepticism as its Smedley and Dave. Its hope mixed with the realism of the reputation of who's running the show over there, and wondering how its all going to be on Aug. 2nd.
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Bill has a long history of shining SOE in a very good light. In particular, his meticulously, carefully prepared Q&A's with Dave Georgeson. People that actually play EQ and EQ2 can read through the hype and spin immediately, so we know just how biased the interviews were as well as seeing the blatant half-truths. So, its not an irrational place to be to have skepticism on the validity of yet another SOE expose.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I hope it is amazing! I really do. Bring it on and let me be swept away for years like I was with EQ and EQ2. It was a different time then, and its a different team now. We'll know soon enough for ourselves.
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
It all boils down to credibility and reputation. Infer from there.
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
you can only read so many bullshit puff pieces before you want to see in order to believe.
Yeah I am sorry, but I call bull shit on all of this. Private viewing for the media...the fucks I don't give. If they are not confident in showing their game, which is apparently in a playable state, at E3, to their potential consumers well I just can't be bothered. All previews have a history of being positive often without merit. After a situation like the Colonial Marines shit storm, this whole I know you've seen nothing of the game, but the game is game of show bs does nothing for me except push me away.
For me the game does not exist, there are no screens, no videos, no info, nothing.
Yeah I'm not sorry, and there's nothing to add to Rzep's post. Let soe, mmorpg and tenton fight it out in EQN, rest of us will stick to other games.
Originally posted by SoMuchMass Hmm so both MMORPG and Ten Ton Hammer loves the game, and they aren't backing down with the positivity. So it must be decent at the very least.
MMORPG.com was gushing all over TOR leading up to and for a short time after its release. Seemingly everyone on this site took their turn, sometimes more than once, to throw their highest praises at it.
That all died down rather quickly after it launched, though.
The only person who seems to really still be into it from here, at least on any visible level, is MikeB.
So, any website, including this one, gushing over a game doesn't carry a whole lot of weight. Especially when it's all "just take our word for it", with nothing else to go on.
They seem as susceptible to hype as anyone around here :P
Lot of whiny feelings going on here. Game is obviously real, a well known company is making it and media have seen it. So acting like it doesn't exist is just non sense. Will it be something you don't like? Well that is a possibility, but instead of being enraged by the information available why not relax and hope for something good to come of it. T
I am pretty sure having secret showings at E3 is nothing new. Sure its getting some hype, but hype does not ruin games. Bad games and communities are what ruins MMO's.
If the reveal was a year off and an ongoing publicity train could feed these sites I could see why they would risk hyping something not worth it. The reveal is six weeks away however and so far SoE hasn't given many chances for them to wet their beak. Of course I really don't care what other people or entities think about an MMO I just think that being over sceptical is pointless.
Honestly just from what I know about EQN, which is as much as all of you, I know I'll like it. Take EQ2, place it into PS2's world/models with a little sand and add Storybricks for more PGC... Done.
What I gathered from this topic is that apparently SOE Live isn't a fan event. If you want to see EQN reveal before your eyes.. Go to their event where you can hang out with other SOE/Sony/Everquest fans/gamers.
E3 is hardly a gaming event. Yes, I said it. You think people base their gaming future off what is shown at E3?
Gamescon is a much better platform to show off your games. E3 to be honest means very little to me. My gaming preferences arent based on what happens at E3. Gamers have 360~ other days a year to be doing research and play games and see games unveal.
There is a big difference between a game being black boxed and not being ready. Black Boxed is like you went on a reality TV show and you can't tell people what happened until it airs on TV. Does that mean the season of Survivor didnt happen until it airs on TV? Hell no, the people who played Survivor played it even if it hasnt been aired on TV for a few months.
And I full heartedly believe they intend to release Everquest Next this year. With ESO being delayed until next year, I see no reason to not push for a 2013 fall/winter release, even if it's just around Christmas. There can be cool Christmas bundles in the in-game shop or something since its free to play supposedly.
You guys are like "They didnt even give us any HINTS" honestly, reply, and tell me, what hint are you wanting? "It's going to blow your mind" is hint enough. They cant hint in specifics because, well, derp, then it just got spoiled, and they are purposely hiding Everquest Next because they think (and apparently successfully) just blew the hinges off what people should expect in an MMO but apparently in an incredible way. And they want all the other MMOs/MMORPGs to play catch up. TenTonHammer hasnt exactly been kind to Everquest/SoE, so I highly doubt they or MMORPG were paid off.
I personally think Titan went through what Everquest Next went through. EQN didnt do a full reboot, they still had their engine or whatever because of Planetside 2, but the way it would be played would be a "me too" forgettable MMO after two weeks of playing. I think Titan had that exact same problem going on, and Blizzard decided they cant go on with that type of game because it wont meet their expectations and wont meet the MMORPG markets expectations.
"We’ve been looking forward to EverQuest Next for quite some time now. Even though our expectations heading into our private viewing during E3 were high, EverQuest Next exceeded those expectations on all fronts.
While we are sworn to secrecy on exactly what we were shown, what we can say is that EverQuest Next was hands-down the best game we had the pleasure of seeing during E3 2013. Franchise fans and MMO gamers across the globe will be able to learn exactly why that’s the case on August 2nd during SOE Live when EQNext is given its grand unveiling.
Trust us when we say that you’ll want to mark that date on your calendar, and be prepared to bask in the warm glow of EverQuest Next in all its glory. In the meantime, kudos to the folks over at SOE for winning our Best of Show award; we’re as excited as you are to witness the impact EverQuest Next is surely going to have on gamers this August!"
building hype based on something we will see after 3 months is really bad journalism for my opinion, they could better say that they saw some content which was promising for the August, not the best of the show ..! otherwise for me the best of the show was Black Desert and not another theme park (yes i know they represent it as sandbox but who develop it ???) ...
how does a game that doesn't even have a senior graphics, physics or general programmer, get best of show
Because games, especially big titles have multiple "senior graphics, physics and programmers" and not just one?
EQ had one, they had 3 regular programmers and 1 senior
EQNext is looking for 3 senior programmers
unless the game has just started development, companies don't go looking for senior programmers that late
my guess is, they are showing nothing because there is nothing to show
So they will develop a bunch to show off in two months, then finish it all up before the end of the year? While still not having a single senior programmer? IS that what you're saying?
How do you know those jobs don't entail projects that are additions to EQN (like expansions)?
Anyway, not much to be excited about that I can agree with, but come on think a little...
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If the reveal was a year off and an ongoing publicity train could feed these sites I could see why they would risk hyping something not worth it. The reveal is six weeks away however and so far SoE hasn't given many chances for them to wet their beak. Of course I really don't care what other people or entities think about an MMO I just think that being over sceptical is pointless.
Honestly just from what I know about EQN, which is as much as all of you, I know I'll like it. Take EQ2, place it into PS2's world/models with a little sand and add Storybricks for more PGC... Done.
Anything after that is gravy
Is the lag gravy? What about the bugs? Or the poor game performance that usual happens after a patch? Untill they release a patch to fix the patch. And then sometimes they have to fix a patch to fix the patch that was suppose to fix the PATCH!.. What about the lack of hacker protection, since this game code is so easy to break for hackers...
Cause that is what is in PS2 world.
Add that to the fact that this is Smedly and SOE we are talking about here and I have no clue in the world why you people think this game will be a monster... THIS IS SOE after all!..
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For me the game does not exist, there are no screens, no videos, no info, nothing.
Yup. It's a press event where they didn't invite all the press. I also "love" how some sites are making it their best in show even though they can't say anything about it. I feel like this unchecked hype is really doing the MMO industry a disservice. TOR and GW2 were not bad games, but the hype over them was unwarranted and unrealistic, and some of the other MMOs coming down the pipe are receiving the same treatment.
You know, as I started to read your reply I thought about explaining that I didn't actually mean planting EQ2 into EQN programming and all, obviously. I was referring rather to the gameplay elements in EQ2 and putting them into a PS2 world since it's the same engine. Finally adding in some additional UGC.
Then I read the last part of your reply which explained the confusing first part. If you can choose to think positive, think negative or just ignore it... choosing the worst of the three just doesn't make sense.
"We’ve been looking forward to EverQuest Next for quite some time now. Even though our expectations heading into our private viewing during E3 were high, EverQuest Next exceeded those expectations on all fronts.
While we are sworn to secrecy on exactly what we were shown, what we can say is that EverQuest Next was hands-down the best game we had the pleasure of seeing during E3 2013. Franchise fans and MMO gamers across the globe will be able to learn exactly why that’s the case on August 2nd during SOE Live when EQNext is given its grand unveiling.
Trust us when we say that you’ll want to mark that date on your calendar, and be prepared to bask in the warm glow of EverQuest Next in all its glory. In the meantime, kudos to the folks over at SOE for winning our Best of Show award; we’re as excited as you are to witness the impact EverQuest Next is surely going to have on gamers this August!"
building hype based on something we will see after 3 months is really bad journalism for my opinion, they could better say that they saw some content which was promising for the August, not the best of the show ..! otherwise for me the best of the show was Black Desert and not another theme park (yes i know they represent it as sandbox but who develop it ???) ...
Huh? So despite the endless focus on Everquest Next being a massive sandbox, somehow you have convinced yourself that it's really all one massive farce and that it really is just a themepark. Everyone is lying. Do you really believe what you're saying?
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989 Lol, it seems that all the media sources have been paid off on this title. It smells horrid and I'm not biting.
You seem so sure of yourself, I'm going to go ahead and assume that means you saw the game for yourself and know the game is crap?
Oh I'm sorry a game that's in very early development taking best in show? Really?
Except its not in very early development.
Do some research before you make yourself look foolish with 'oh my god they are buying meaningless awards'. Every MMORPG got one of those awards. its not like they gave EQN biggest surprise, most anticipated, most innovative, AND best in show. They even made up a special 'respawn' category for FFXIV.
Take MMORPG.com's bait, go ahead but until we actually know anything on this mysterious title MMORPG.com is one of the only people who've apparently seen the super secret reveal at E3.
Considering Tentonhammer had the same thing to say I'll go ahead and take that bait. I don't have that need to be pessimistic or doubtful about everything for no reason, or even in the face of evidence pointing to the opposite direction. Or maybe I don't have that grandiose belief that everything must be proven to ME for it to exist. But having that attitude in the first place, I'm sure your opinion is that you're the smart one and we're all the dumb believers right?
"We’ve been looking forward to EverQuest Next for quite some time now. Even though our expectations heading into our private viewing during E3 were high, EverQuest Next exceeded those expectations on all fronts.
While we are sworn to secrecy on exactly what we were shown, what we can say is that EverQuest Next was hands-down the best game we had the pleasure of seeing during E3 2013. Franchise fans and MMO gamers across the globe will be able to learn exactly why that’s the case on August 2nd during SOE Live when EQNext is given its grand unveiling.
Trust us when we say that you’ll want to mark that date on your calendar, and be prepared to bask in the warm glow of EverQuest Next in all its glory. In the meantime, kudos to the folks over at SOE for winning our Best of Show award; we’re as excited as you are to witness the impact EverQuest Next is surely going to have on gamers this August!"
building hype based on something we will see after 3 months is really bad journalism for my opinion, they could better say that they saw some content which was promising for the August, not the best of the show ..! otherwise for me the best of the show was Black Desert and not another theme park (yes i know they represent it as sandbox but who develop it ???) ...
Huh? So despite the endless focus on Everquest Next being a massive sandbox, somehow you have convinced yourself that it's really all one massive farce and that it really is just a themepark. Everyone is lying. Do you really believe what you're saying?
rofl... yes it seems like a few people are sayign that on this forum. It's ridiculous...
"We’ve been looking forward to EverQuest Next for quite some time now. Even though our expectations heading into our private viewing during E3 were high, EverQuest Next exceeded those expectations on all fronts.
While we are sworn to secrecy on exactly what we were shown, what we can say is that EverQuest Next was hands-down the best game we had the pleasure of seeing during E3 2013. Franchise fans and MMO gamers across the globe will be able to learn exactly why that’s the case on August 2nd during SOE Live when EQNext is given its grand unveiling.
Trust us when we say that you’ll want to mark that date on your calendar, and be prepared to bask in the warm glow of EverQuest Next in all its glory. In the meantime, kudos to the folks over at SOE for winning our Best of Show award; we’re as excited as you are to witness the impact EverQuest Next is surely going to have on gamers this August!"
building hype based on something we will see after 3 months is really bad journalism for my opinion, they could better say that they saw some content which was promising for the August, not the best of the show ..! otherwise for me the best of the show was Black Desert and not another theme park (yes i know they represent it as sandbox but who develop it ???) ...
Average length of 1 month is 30 days. 30 x 3 = 90. SOE Live is on Aug 2
Aug 2 is 42 days away.
42 =/= 90.
I've seen some exaggerations in my time, but this is ridiculous.
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Thanks for making me smile =-) Watch out... "the man" really is watching.
Yeah. Do you remember the skull-rattingly emptiness with which both those two sites pimped SWTOR pre-launch?
I'm totally surprised by all the responses I've seen. HAVE we really become that cynical with regards to MMOs?????
If news like this came out several years ago, we would be fawning over it and saying things like "AWESOME I can't wait!!"
INSTEAD, the majority of people seem to saying things like "there is no way they can live up to the hype" or "those media reps must have been paid off" or whatever it may be.
Have we considered the possibility that EQNext actually DOES blow us away?? Have we really become so skeptical lately that we cannot fathom the possibility that a prospective MMO could be AMAZING??
I'm not saying EQNext will rule this world. I'm just saying-- what's with all the skepticism?
Translation - I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but I'll try to make you look dumb to cover up that fact.
QFT^^^^
All the MMOs in the last decade would have done well to redo their game before launching.
you can only read so many bullshit puff pieces before you want to see in order to believe.
Yeah I'm not sorry, and there's nothing to add to Rzep's post. Let soe, mmorpg and tenton fight it out in EQN, rest of us will stick to other games.
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MMORPG.com was gushing all over TOR leading up to and for a short time after its release. Seemingly everyone on this site took their turn, sometimes more than once, to throw their highest praises at it.
That all died down rather quickly after it launched, though.
The only person who seems to really still be into it from here, at least on any visible level, is MikeB.
So, any website, including this one, gushing over a game doesn't carry a whole lot of weight. Especially when it's all "just take our word for it", with nothing else to go on.
They seem as susceptible to hype as anyone around here :P
Lot of whiny feelings going on here. Game is obviously real, a well known company is making it and media have seen it. So acting like it doesn't exist is just non sense. Will it be something you don't like? Well that is a possibility, but instead of being enraged by the information available why not relax and hope for something good to come of it. T
I am pretty sure having secret showings at E3 is nothing new. Sure its getting some hype, but hype does not ruin games. Bad games and communities are what ruins MMO's.
If the reveal was a year off and an ongoing publicity train could feed these sites I could see why they would risk hyping something not worth it. The reveal is six weeks away however and so far SoE hasn't given many chances for them to wet their beak. Of course I really don't care what other people or entities think about an MMO I just think that being over sceptical is pointless.
Honestly just from what I know about EQN, which is as much as all of you, I know I'll like it. Take EQ2, place it into PS2's world/models with a little sand and add Storybricks for more PGC... Done.
Anything after that is gravy
What I gathered from this topic is that apparently SOE Live isn't a fan event. If you want to see EQN reveal before your eyes.. Go to their event where you can hang out with other SOE/Sony/Everquest fans/gamers.
E3 is hardly a gaming event. Yes, I said it. You think people base their gaming future off what is shown at E3?
Gamescon is a much better platform to show off your games. E3 to be honest means very little to me. My gaming preferences arent based on what happens at E3. Gamers have 360~ other days a year to be doing research and play games and see games unveal.
There is a big difference between a game being black boxed and not being ready. Black Boxed is like you went on a reality TV show and you can't tell people what happened until it airs on TV. Does that mean the season of Survivor didnt happen until it airs on TV? Hell no, the people who played Survivor played it even if it hasnt been aired on TV for a few months.
And I full heartedly believe they intend to release Everquest Next this year. With ESO being delayed until next year, I see no reason to not push for a 2013 fall/winter release, even if it's just around Christmas. There can be cool Christmas bundles in the in-game shop or something since its free to play supposedly.
You guys are like "They didnt even give us any HINTS" honestly, reply, and tell me, what hint are you wanting? "It's going to blow your mind" is hint enough. They cant hint in specifics because, well, derp, then it just got spoiled, and they are purposely hiding Everquest Next because they think (and apparently successfully) just blew the hinges off what people should expect in an MMO but apparently in an incredible way. And they want all the other MMOs/MMORPGs to play catch up. TenTonHammer hasnt exactly been kind to Everquest/SoE, so I highly doubt they or MMORPG were paid off.
I personally think Titan went through what Everquest Next went through. EQN didnt do a full reboot, they still had their engine or whatever because of Planetside 2, but the way it would be played would be a "me too" forgettable MMO after two weeks of playing. I think Titan had that exact same problem going on, and Blizzard decided they cant go on with that type of game because it wont meet their expectations and wont meet the MMORPG markets expectations.
building hype based on something we will see after 3 months is really bad journalism for my opinion, they could better say that they saw some content which was promising for the August, not the best of the show ..! otherwise for me the best of the show was Black Desert and not another theme park (yes i know they represent it as sandbox but who develop it ???) ...
So they will develop a bunch to show off in two months, then finish it all up before the end of the year? While still not having a single senior programmer? IS that what you're saying?
How do you know those jobs don't entail projects that are additions to EQN (like expansions)?
Anyway, not much to be excited about that I can agree with, but come on think a little...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Is the lag gravy? What about the bugs? Or the poor game performance that usual happens after a patch? Untill they release a patch to fix the patch. And then sometimes they have to fix a patch to fix the patch that was suppose to fix the PATCH!.. What about the lack of hacker protection, since this game code is so easy to break for hackers...
Cause that is what is in PS2 world.
Add that to the fact that this is Smedly and SOE we are talking about here and I have no clue in the world why you people think this game will be a monster... THIS IS SOE after all!..
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Yup. It's a press event where they didn't invite all the press. I also "love" how some sites are making it their best in show even though they can't say anything about it. I feel like this unchecked hype is really doing the MMO industry a disservice. TOR and GW2 were not bad games, but the hype over them was unwarranted and unrealistic, and some of the other MMOs coming down the pipe are receiving the same treatment.
You know, as I started to read your reply I thought about explaining that I didn't actually mean planting EQ2 into EQN programming and all, obviously. I was referring rather to the gameplay elements in EQ2 and putting them into a PS2 world since it's the same engine. Finally adding in some additional UGC.
Then I read the last part of your reply which explained the confusing first part. If you can choose to think positive, think negative or just ignore it... choosing the worst of the three just doesn't make sense.
Huh? So despite the endless focus on Everquest Next being a massive sandbox, somehow you have convinced yourself that it's really all one massive farce and that it really is just a themepark. Everyone is lying. Do you really believe what you're saying?
Considering Tentonhammer had the same thing to say I'll go ahead and take that bait. I don't have that need to be pessimistic or doubtful about everything for no reason, or even in the face of evidence pointing to the opposite direction. Or maybe I don't have that grandiose belief that everything must be proven to ME for it to exist. But having that attitude in the first place, I'm sure your opinion is that you're the smart one and we're all the dumb believers right?
rofl... yes it seems like a few people are sayign that on this forum. It's ridiculous...
Average length of 1 month is 30 days. 30 x 3 = 90. SOE Live is on Aug 2
Aug 2 is 42 days away.
42 =/= 90.
I've seen some exaggerations in my time, but this is ridiculous.
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