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EverQuest Next on Console... does this erase all possible forms of "depth and complexity".
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I'm a PC elitist, but I don't think so at all. Not unless ‘depth and complexity’ for you means the hotbar plague.
They were saying back in 2010 that we can expect spells/spell-like abilities to evolve more from the EQ1 paradigm than the EQ2/WoW paradigm. DCUO went the EQ1 direction in that regard (not the action combat, but the degree to which powers are immediately available versus swappable) and seems to cross the platform gap well.
I would be raging if we were talking about the PS3, but any limitations imposed by developing for the PS4 should be the same as those imposed by developing for mid-range PCs, which is typical.
There are older and newer games with kb/m support and games being developed for consoles with kb/m support so not quite sure how you can say that.
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I just do not see it as an issue. People who use tab targeting simply adapt and get used to it. Those that played EQOA on the PS2 dealt just fine with crowd control. In addtion the PS4 has a clickable touchpad which can easily be used for mouse-like functions.
The same way guilds chat on a PC: voice.I don't think developers would spend the money to write the software so that a very small amount of players would use it. Anyway, I know of none out or in development myself. You seem to have a grasp on it, do you have examples?
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The only legitimate concern I see is UI and I have hope. If I, a nobody as far as game design, can come up with a way to allow a typical array of abilities work in an engaging way via gamepad I'm sure the SoE hive mind can do better.
I don't know if your just being stubborn or really don't know. I will name just two for arguments sake. Unreal tournament 2004(old game) and Dust 514(new game)
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I never really understood this argument. Complexity in controls trumps complexity of systems. Do you not see the superficial nonsense in that statement? For example, UO was a mmorpg with a very complex system of in-game mechanics that allowed for depth and creativity still unmatched to this day and age. Yet the controls and UI were very basic and a hotbar with skills was nonexistent. For example, mouse clicking on a cup would present the user with a menu of options of what you could do with that cup, but clicking on a different object would net you different choices when the menu appeared. So it really depended on what items in the game world you were interacting with at that time.
It all depends on how developers choose to design their game and what the main goals are. If the main goal is to create a virtual world where players can thrive in, then a slew of hotbars and combat skills wouldn't be in very high demand. But if the game created only wants to mimic what they have already done in EQ, EQ2 and VG then adding more convoluted skills and hotbars with a very busy UI may be in order.
Think of it this way, you can have car "A" that uses all kinds of buttons on a huge control panel, three petals and steering controlled by two flight sticks. All that complexity would not mean much if all you're doing is driving on a oval track. Try to take that car to the Le Mans and I doubt you'd finish first. And now you have car "B" with more simple controls, 2 petals and a steering wheel and not only would the oval track and Le Mans be easier to navigate, but you could take on even more complex racing courses. It all depends on the complexity of the system not the controls.
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Yes they do, but the entire idea of a console is that it is one complete unit. In general, people don't go out and buy a keyboard and a mouse to play console games.
What you have done by adding a keyboard and mouse to a console is a non-upgradable PC. There isn't a single mmorpg that is out that is as complex or as fun as what you can get on a PC imho.
Yes because KB/M combos are so expensive now...... I'm sure no one would buy one for a console MMORPG they enjoy lol.
Some of the old arguments that are just no longer true that people use in PC vs Console debates are just laughable.
It's not a matter of price either. Console software developers do not code in keyboard and mouse options. You just have less options with a controller over a keyboard.
There are older and newer games with kb/m support and games being developed for consoles with kb/m support so not quite sure how you can say that.
I don't think developers would spend the money to write the software so that a very small amount of players would use it. Anyway, I know of none out or in development myself. You seem to have a grasp on it, do you have examples?
I don't know if your just being stubborn or really don't know. I will name just two for arguments sake. Unreal tournament 2004(old game) and Dust 514(new game)
No not stubborn. Just here to learn like everyone else should be! If this is the case than hopefully they will add it to this game as well.Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Fair enough, I hope I did not come off as hostile or aggressive as that was not my intention.
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Yes they do, but the entire idea of a console is that it is one complete unit. In general, people don't go out and buy a keyboard and a mouse to play console games.
What you have done by adding a keyboard and mouse to a console is a non-upgradable PC. There isn't a single mmorpg that is out that is as complex or as fun as what you can get on a PC imho.
Yes because KB/M combos are so expensive now...... I'm sure no one would buy one for a console MMORPG they enjoy lol.
Some of the old arguments that are just no longer true that people use in PC vs Console debates are just laughable.
It's not a matter of price either. Console software developers do not code in keyboard and mouse options. You just have less options with a controller over a keyboard.
There are older and newer games with kb/m support and games being developed for consoles with kb/m support so not quite sure how you can say that.
I don't think developers would spend the money to write the software so that a very small amount of players would use it. Anyway, I know of none out or in development myself. You seem to have a grasp on it, do you have examples?
I don't know if your just being stubborn or really don't know. I will name just two for arguments sake. Unreal tournament 2004(old game) and Dust 514(new game)
No not stubborn. Just here to learn like everyone else should be! If this is the case than hopefully they will add it to this game as well.Fair enough, I hope I did not come off as hostile or aggressive as that was not my intention.
No not at all. Now compare content! Skyrim on pc has better graphics and thousands of awesome player made mods. o_OEdit. To be fair im going to bed. Good luck to you.
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I to am going to bed, good night to you Amjoco lol
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Whether or not you *can* use a keyboard and mouse is irrelevant. It's a question of how the game is made. If it's made to cater to a community using a gamepad, then yes I'd say some concern is valid. *Can* it be done well? Sure. But there's no gaurantee. Many console ports are absolute garbage.
It also indicates that the devs might be focused on a more action type gameplay than your traditional MMO tab-targeting affair. A plus for some, a con for others. Project is entirely in the 'wait and see' category.
Separate the UI between the PC and console versions and if need be give console players a bit more "assistance" (such as auto-aim) if the combat is action oriented. It being on a console should really have no effect on gameplay / depth / complexity. Well, I should say PS4 at least as I'm pretty sure the Xbox is still restrictive with patches and "free updates".
Are you just assuming console players are a stupider (or younger) demographic? I don't believe that's true.
do we know for a fact that th PS4 wont have a keyboard/mouse option for a 150.00 USD (or some other insultingly overpriced malarky).......
Because to be real honest...
WH40K MMO...announced for PS4/Xbox 1
EQNext ...same
dammit....so did one other MMO from E3 as well....to me, that says either....all mmos are getting dumbed down or there is going to have to be a kyb.mouse combo for these consoles.
EDIT: TESO is the other MMO that has announced being on both console too.....
If every other MMO made to allow playability for a console is any indicator, than it going that direction is cause for concern for EQ.
Keyboard and mouse for a console is a rarity, and playing a game with any complexity (MMO wise, Elder Scrolls has done a good job at it) is combersome.
Communication... that is going to be one big hurdle to overcome. Yes voice IP is great, but playing games that dumps you into chat with people you don't know (pugs) is annoying (Defiance). Text chatting with a console controller is laughable as an option.
Processor wise, graphic wise, connectivity, no reason in the world that a console can't run an MMO, it's just every other thing that makes an MMO, an MMO, seem like porting to a console seem like an awful idea.
I played EQ2 on and off almost from launch and I'll be honest in saying that I don't want another 10 hotbar game.
When I started playing TSW and got a Razer Naga and was able to play while looking at the world instead of my UI I found I rather enjoyed the 'simplified' ui.
GW2 is another example of a game with relatively simple controls that I would call are more 'elegant' than 'dumbed down'.
Both can be played with a controller via 3rd part software, not sure but GW2 might even have native controller support, not sure.
A good chat interface is nice, but with the proliferation of voip, it's not quite as critical as it once was.
Bottom line for me will be 'is it fun to play?'.
PS3 supports USB and Bluetooth devices -- including mice / keyboards
I expect PS4 to do the same
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Console adaptation is an afterthought. How well it will port will remain to be seen, but I don't think they would completely compromise the vision they have for EQN by trying to place console limitation on it.
So the new consoles have multi-core pc components inside. Only thing they are missing is a keyboard and mouse.
There have been single games that created a gamepad just for that game on console in the past. There shouldn't be any logical reason to not be able to make a keyboard/mouse style system for consoles. If that is done I would have no issue with cross-platform play.
PC players would still be at an advantage since we will be able to tune to draw distance/particles/aa etc since we will have much more powerful rigs to play on.
If they do launch on console I hope it's with a separate interface made specifically for them and keep console and pc separate if they do not plan for a keyboard/mouse addon for the consoles.
Time will tell. I have had horrible times with games that came out for pc/xbox360 at the same time and had horrible controls and felt very limiting. I thought...."is this the beginning of the end for pc gaming" due to how sad it was. No deep adjustments, no usual UI customizations. Just felt like a port that people didn't put any time into.
don't know where you get that from but a controller is complete trash for fps games compared to a mouse + keyboard.
There is a reason why all FPS games have bullet magnetism or auto aim to help hit your target, because pushing a joystick with its limited range is infinitely worse than the free range of a mouse because the joystick has a limited range of motion and is 100% at the mercy of the sensitivity setting. Not to mention joysticks have wear and tear and over time the spring that puts it back into place becomes worn out and you must compensate for that.
There is also more than one reason pc games going to a console get dumbed down. Because its easier to program/patch the game if it is done a specific way. Hopefully the ps4 isn't the same as every other system and porting a pc game to ps4 dosn't require them to code in a way that limits the game.
First lets clear some things up here.
1. Smed did not say EQN would be on the PS4 or any console he said its possible because someone asked if PS2 is going to the ps4 what about EQN.
2. EQN will NOT be a launch title for the ps4.
3. They have no even started working on a console version.
4. The PC version was developed without the console in mind period.
Lets stop all the assuming because it will not be on the console at release and if it ever is it probably wont be until 2015 and that's if the game is extremely popular.
gameplay > graphics
Totally destroys any chance of this game being good. I have never seen a good MMO on console. Although I think planetside -could- do it without being too watered down, it is much less likely that EQN could.
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EQNext is deep and complex? Source...?