Originally posted by Ashkent i do not "flame the hell out of eve" like you seem to think so. i'm still waiting for you eve fans to show me all these posts where i'm flaming or bashing EVE. you know why i haven't seen any yet - because i HAVEN'T MADE ANY LIKE THAT. if stating what i don't like about a game without saying rude things about the game is bashing it or flaming the hell out of it, then i guess i need a new definition of bash and flame. if people actually read the posts instead of automatically assuming that anything negative about EVE is bashing it, you would see what i'm talking about. or are we not allowed to say why we don't like EVE, because it upsets the little fanboys?
You're really going to go make me find that one thread where some guy simply writes "Tried EVE?" and it sets you off? If you want to go find it and prove to everyone that it's all been some sort of misunderstanding then I'm perfectly fine to admitting I've been wrong about your attitude this entire time. When I read what you write it always sounds incredibly rude to me, mostly because the infamous "Tried EVE?" outbirst and also partly because of your fondness with using the word "fanboy".
Maybe that was just a one time thing, but it contributes very much to the tone of voice people give you when they're reading your posts. So that's why us 'fanboys" always believe you're flaming and bashing.
Well I realize I'm hijacking the thread so I'll stop here, if you really aren't trying to be an ass ashkent then I apologize for believing otherwise.
---------------------------------- MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
It was just so easy. You never have to figure anything out. Yeah, other MMORPG's leave you hanging, but when you finally find the answer it's very rewarding. WoW is like the other games with training wheels. Maybe the other online games could use it as a tutorial on how to play their games.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
I heard that they were implementing some sort of island or other geographical place with a capturable object(s?). I'm not sure when they plan to implement this, but most likely in The Burning Crusade.
Asking why people don't like WoW is like asking people why they don't like ice cream, a ton of people like ice cream, but some don't, simple as that. You can't have everyone liking something, nothing is perfect. There will always be flaws in something, whether it be candy, a game, a strategy, whatever. Apply the same concept for WoW and there's your answer.
because it is just like every other mmorpg out there, all these people talk about the new and innovating things they have done but they don't realize its already been done before. It's kinda like Rap nowadays. It's all been done before and we are waiting on something trully new and innovative. But I will give Wow credit for bringing in an assload of new people to the mmorpg genre that might not have ever tried it.
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Originally posted by Dinion Some people(like me) don't find WoW fun because it lacks the level of depth and variety we crave, it's simply not challenging or fun for us to play a "simplified" version of all the MMOs we've been playing for the past 4 years. I can see how it would be really fun for people relatively new to the genre because you get to experience a fleshed out version of the gameplay we have enjoyed for years.
QFE.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
[quote]Originally posted by seabass2003 because it is just like every other mmorpg out there, all these people talk about the new and innovating things they have done but they don't realize its already been done before. It's kinda like Rap nowadays. It's all been done before and we are waiting on something trully new and innovative. But I will give Wow credit for bringing in an assload of new people to the mmorpg genre that might not have ever tried it.[/quo
I understand your point but i think people need to realize sometimes companies need to take what they got and make it better like lets say LineageII or guild wars - L2 has cool style and game play you can PvP almost anywhere but the quests are boring and few and the fantasy aspect is realy missing and has n o instances at alll.In guildwars its like you have to wait in que to get to an instance it has fun pvp but only instances and special areas for PvP. WoW has instances no Zoning you can actualy run into a player enemies when traveling to somewhere and have to PvP if you want. Quest are a big time part of the game unlike L2 and it keeps you intrested and doing something all the time rather then grinding and it has battlegrounds. It would be cool if Blizz added something realy diffrent and new to the game but i dont realy think they need to because the fun is still there ands it keeps me going for a long time and makes me wanna get realy good at PvP.
World of Warcraft is a polished product, and is a very good introductory game for newcomers.
It offers nothing new to the field, is easy to burn out on, and lacks a lot of depth that veteran gamers look for.
I'm not bashing WoW; in fact, I still play regularly and I'm very active in end game content. That being said, I'm really only playing WoW until something better comes along in the next few months, and I think a lot of the veteran gamers who haven't moved on yet are doing the same thing.
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Originally posted by darkman Asking why people don't like WoW is like asking people why they don't like ice cream, a ton of people like ice cream, but some don't, simple as that. ...and there's your answer.
Question: Why do some folks like the flavor of vanilla ice cream and others don't?
There's no answer aside from personal taste preference (unless you want to go into psychology).
But, this discussion topic isn't about freakin' ice cream, it's about a video game with rules and items, screw-ups and accomplishments, etc. Some replies here address these important details. Yours does not. All you do is dismiss the entire thing with a wave of your hand and a simplistic message that isn't true. Why bother?
I will congratulate you for making your 643rd posting.
Well as you said everyone is entitled to their opinion. WoW is maybe the only online game I have never actually tried, I would have done the free trial but it isn't available to the UK. Personally I just dont like the way it looks, that's my honest opinion. Also all the negative comments I have heard about it dont help either..... It just comes down to personal taste. Like ice-cream...
The reason i personally don't care for WoW is because i can cap a craft in one night and cap a character in 3 weeks. If the crafting cap was 1000 and the level cap was 100 i would probably still be playing. It's a great game for casual gamers but people like me w/o a life just go through it too quickly.
I'll take some mint chocolate chip while we're on the topic of ice cream.
Originally posted by darkman Asking why people don't like WoW is like asking people why they don't like ice cream, a ton of people like ice cream, but some don't, simple as that. ...and there's your answer.
Question: Why do some folks like the flavor of vanilla ice cream and others don't?
There's no answer aside from personal taste preference (unless you want to go into psychology).
But, this discussion topic isn't about freakin' ice cream, it's about a video game with rules and items, screw-ups and accomplishments, etc. Some replies here address these important details. Yours does not. All you do is dismiss the entire thing with a wave of your hand and a simplistic message that isn't true. Why bother?
I will congratulate you for making your 643rd posting.
wtf are you talking about? thats a perfect example.
WoW is a really empty meaningless game..... there is no point in getting to a high lvl just farming gear.... and then pvping in a restricted area aka battlegrounds, if i wanted that i go to play an fps lol...
Really empty game.....
Adds nothing new to the genre
WoW is so popular just because it is a appealing to big group of persons that never played another mmorpg, and they think wow is the ultimate game.... when it is crap
Sure it is reall well made no bugs, etc and blizzard is a great company but thats all is another mmorpg clone with a different skin
Originally posted by Ashkent i love the people who say WoW has no purpose. What game has a purpose other than to entertain you? Once you reach a certain level in EQ2, do you win 1 million dollars? When you reach a certain point in EVE, does it bring peace on Earth? no, it brings nothing except pixels. what game is truly dynamic? none of them are. EVE might come the closest because it has very little content and relies on the players to make their own content.
You dont do anything that effects the world. You are a nonfactor in WoW. You dont win OR lose against the enemy. You destroy nothing. No war. No Warcraft. All you do is quest for thoes good items or kill other players for honor, not war. WoW has no purpose in the Warcraft series. They have enough money to make WoW truly dynamic, yet they never did or ever will.
well i had a lot off fun all the way to 60, just think outside a box and dump all the green quests, solo the elite ones when they yellow , but you most liky need engering to solo elite quests... its a very dumb thing to rush to 60 keep, your proffesions skills lvled, close/compared to your own lvl i had such good stuff 3 days after i turned 60 that 4 man was enof for Dire Maul North to farm the first boss for a little blue items !! But yere i quit like 1 week after i turned 60, i rather lvl up then farming for Rare Raaaaare items
he talks that way about WoW but every game is pretty much like that. whatever you do in any game makes no difference. its not liek you can permanently change the game world in any game.
edit: oh, i see where this came from. after reading some of your posts, you're one of those people who totally hates WoW for whatever reason and go around bashing it every chance you get.
The game is really good and has lots of content. You have to remember not all games are for everyone. Most of these posters are "hardcore" and thus want the game set to hard or free loot which translates to convoluted and frustrating for casual gamers. This would alienate roughly 70% of customers and that is why blizzard does not implement it.
I do agree on the RvR aspect that needs to be improved, but blizzard has already said they are working on it. As to more "World Changing" impact needed no mmo has done this very successfully as of yet. There are games on the horizon that seem to be tackling this problem, but nothing really significant as of yet.
Had to try WoW, wish I hadn't bothered, too easy & *full* of kids talking crap. I dislike WoW, I dislike Blizzard, I dislike Blizzards games and I hate Vivendi Universal. Thems my reasons for hating WoW.
But any MMORPG is going to have people that like it And it's going to have people who don't like it.
Personally I detest WOW. I can see why some folks like it. But for me it's a snoozer. I just don't enjoy it. The graphics are WAAAAY too cartoonish for me (and before someone mouths off that they're exactly what warcraft was, I hated Warcraft's graphics too) and the game just doesn't have much depth. Also I prefer a game that has more depth in the crafting system as well. WoW's crafting system is a joke compared to most other mmorpg's with crafting.
Like I said. I can see why people like it. What baffles me is why people who like it can't understand that there are people who DON'T like it.
I find wow really non-immersive. The graphics throw me out of whack right off the bat then the rest of the game just feels 'off' to me after that as well.
WoW is about 9th on my list of MMORPG's that I'd pay for. And I have this unwritten rule about not being willing to pay for more than 1, 2 tops, MMORPG's at a time. I don't even buy 2nd accounts in the same MMO unless my wife is playing it too.
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The reason there is so much negativity about WoW is simple. Blizzard looked at all the good MMO's on the market and took the good things from all of those games, and left out a lot of the really good things.
When you think Blizzard you think groundbreaking type stuff. WoW was just a rehash of EQ and parts of DAOC. Most people who jumped to WoW were probably coming from one of these games and realized, "hey this is prety much the same thing as _____"
I also think that online gamers were spoiled, because in the beggining, UO was the game. This game was and still is IMO the most in depth MMO around. I mean think about it, in UO you couldn't just sit around casting spells just because you were bored. Oh no, if you cast, you used Reagents and they became quite costly.
WoW is a item fest. People all wander about looking for the top gear for said class. You will notice hundreds of people on your server dressed alike and and they are all capable of casting the same spells and everything tht you can do.
There is no sense of being the one who can do such and such, just a sense of "oh you don't have this leet gear yet?... then you can't come with us"
UO eventualy went to item driven system, and it ostricized a whole slew of UO fans.
If you are content being the same as everyone in your class and you really like to collect all the gear, well then WoW is for you.
If your looking for a more in depth game with more meaning I would suggest DAOC or UO
Originally posted by Ashkent ????how did he own me? he talks that way about WoW but every game is pretty much like that. whatever you do in any game makes no difference. its not liek you can permanently change the game world in any game...
Not true.
Here is one example: In Lineage 2 you can take and hold a castle. By doing so you have changed the game world. Intelligent persons will also use their new property to make more money. The prestige and potential additional income that comes with taking and holding a castle motivates players to fight hard for it, and leads to greater loyalty to good leaders.
In WoW, you can't do something like that. You can organize a raid on, say, Southshore, overrun it with Horde, assign a number of players to keep killing the guards that respawn no matter what, and with the rest of your raid group keep the Alliance from making a successful counter attack. But, in a few hours when most people have logged off---P00f!---everything goes back to the way it was. And, all you've got to show for your "victory" is bragging rights. Meanwhile, everyone is thinking, damn, I spent 3 gold on potions and arrows last night and all I got in return was a small number of Honor Kills compared to what I could get if I'd spent three hours in Battlegrounds.
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Originally posted by KaptainZerg Originally posted by Ashkent ????how did he own me? he talks that way about WoW but every game is pretty much like that. whatever you do in any game makes no difference. its not liek you can permanently change the game world in any game...
Not true.
Here is one example: In Lineage 2 you can take and hold a castle. By doing so you have changed the game world. Intelligent persons will also use their new property to make more money. The prestige and potential additional income that comes with taking and holding a castle motivates players to fight hard for it, and leads to greater loyalty to good leaders.
In WoW, you can't do something like that. You can organize a raid on, say, Southshore, overrun it with Horde, assign a number of players to keep killing the guards that respawn no matter what, and with the rest of your raid group keep the Alliance from making a successful counter attack. But, in a few hours when most people have logged off---P00f!---everything goes back to the way it was. And, all you've got to show for your "victory" is bragging rights. Meanwhile, everyone is thinking, damn, I spent 3 gold on potions and arrows last night and all I got in return was a small number of Honor Kills compared to what I could get if I'd spent three hours in Battlegrounds.
|S C O R E| Ashkent ..... Owned again KaptZerg ..... 1
To add fuel to the fire:
DAOC, an even older game than L2, also has this feature. And there's more to it than just bonus xp and money, you can actually affect how much damage you do by owning relics, etc. Another game is Shadowbane, also older than WoW, which allows players to build cities and fight wars.... AO has land control as well, though that's meaningless other than just controlling the land. Lets see... oh! Almost forgot: In SWG you could shift the control of planets I suppose that's stil lthere but fortunately for wow SOE has managed to kill that game and alienate most of the veteran population so they're migrating to other games.... then there's Horizons, where players can build their own villiages, etc and alter the landscape of the world. Also the players can actually affect the environment of the game by driving back or succumbing to the evil hordes of undead.
Lets see... that's just off the top of my head...
Oh... damn! I just remembered EVE! Another game where players affect the game in deep and meaningful ways....
There are more, but I'm tired of listing them. The one thing all these games have in common: They're all older than WoW. The reason why older MMORPG players prefer older mmorpg's over WOW isn't Nostalgia... it's because WoW lacks many of the features that makes those older MMORPG's fun. They did a great job of stealing ideas and concepts and simplifying them. They did a lousy job of innovating any real ideas of their own or improving on the core aspects of those older games that really made them addictive.
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I believe the general agreement is that WoW is perhaps the most playable, and well polished MMORPG out there.
I'm not a such a big fan of it, however, because the elements it has executed to perfection have been obselete for a while, in my opinion.
Fortunately for Blizzard, that opinion is not shared by many.
Maybe that was just a one time thing, but it contributes very much to the tone of voice people give you when they're reading your posts. So that's why us 'fanboys" always believe you're flaming and bashing.
Well I realize I'm hijacking the thread so I'll stop here, if you really aren't trying to be an ass ashkent then I apologize for believing otherwise.
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
It was just so easy.
You never have to figure anything out. Yeah, other MMORPG's leave you hanging, but when you finally find the answer it's very rewarding.
WoW is like the other games with training wheels.
Maybe the other online games could use it as a tutorial on how to play their games.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
I found the game as dull as dish water
With no challagen and nothing to keep me playing
That said I know many that really enjoy it, and that great if we all liked the same stuff it sure would be a boaring old world wouldnt it?
I heard that they were implementing some sort of island or other geographical place with a capturable object(s?). I'm not sure when they plan to implement this, but most likely in The Burning Crusade.
Asking why people don't like WoW is like asking people why they don't like ice cream, a ton of people like ice cream, but some don't, simple as that. You can't have everyone liking something, nothing is perfect. There will always be flaws in something, whether it be candy, a game, a strategy, whatever. Apply the same concept for WoW and there's your answer.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
[quote]Originally posted by seabass2003
because it is just like every other mmorpg out there, all these people talk about the new and innovating things they have done but they don't realize its already been done before. It's kinda like Rap nowadays. It's all been done before and we are waiting on something trully new and innovative. But I will give Wow credit for bringing in an assload of new people to the mmorpg genre that might not have ever tried it.[/quo
I understand your point but i think people need to realize sometimes companies need to take what they got and make it better like lets say LineageII or guild wars - L2 has cool style and game play you can PvP almost anywhere but the quests are boring and few and the fantasy aspect is realy missing and has n o instances at alll.In guildwars its like you have to wait in que to get to an instance it has fun pvp but only instances and special areas for PvP. WoW has instances no Zoning you can actualy run into a player enemies when traveling to somewhere and have to PvP if you want. Quest are a big time part of the game unlike L2 and it keeps you intrested and doing something all the time rather then grinding and it has battlegrounds. It would be cool if Blizz added something realy diffrent and new to the game but i dont realy think they need to because the fun is still there ands it keeps me going for a long time and makes me wanna
get realy good at PvP.
There's evolution, and there's revolution.
World of Warcraft is a polished product, and is a very good introductory game for newcomers.
It offers nothing new to the field, is easy to burn out on, and lacks a lot of depth that veteran gamers look for.
I'm not bashing WoW; in fact, I still play regularly and I'm very active in end game content. That being said, I'm really only playing WoW until something better comes along in the next few months, and I think a lot of the veteran gamers who haven't moved on yet are doing the same thing.
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Question: Why do some folks like the flavor of vanilla ice cream and others don't?
There's no answer aside from personal taste preference (unless you want to go into psychology).
But, this discussion topic isn't about freakin' ice cream, it's about a video game with rules and items, screw-ups and accomplishments, etc. Some replies here address these important details. Yours does not. All you do is dismiss the entire thing with a wave of your hand and a simplistic message that isn't true. Why bother?
I will congratulate you for making your 643rd posting.
The reason i personally don't care for WoW is because i can cap a craft in one night and cap a character in 3 weeks. If the crafting cap was 1000 and the level cap was 100 i would probably still be playing. It's a great game for casual gamers but people like me w/o a life just go through it too quickly.
I'll take some mint chocolate chip while we're on the topic of ice cream.
There is no best MMORPG, only favorites.
Question: Why do some folks like the flavor of vanilla ice cream and others don't?
There's no answer aside from personal taste preference (unless you want to go into psychology).
But, this discussion topic isn't about freakin' ice cream, it's about a video game with rules and items, screw-ups and accomplishments, etc. Some replies here address these important details. Yours does not. All you do is dismiss the entire thing with a wave of your hand and a simplistic message that isn't true. Why bother?
I will congratulate you for making your 643rd posting.
wtf are you talking about? thats a perfect example.
WoW is a really empty meaningless game..... there is no point in getting to a high lvl just farming gear.... and then pvping in a restricted area aka battlegrounds, if i wanted that i go to play an fps lol...
Really empty game.....
Adds nothing new to the genre
WoW is so popular just because it is a appealing to big group of persons that never played another mmorpg, and they think wow is the ultimate game.... when it is crap
Sure it is reall well made no bugs, etc and blizzard is a great company but thats all is another mmorpg clone with a different skin
You dont do anything that effects the world. You are a nonfactor in WoW. You dont win OR lose against the enemy. You destroy nothing. No war. No Warcraft. All you do is quest for thoes good items or kill other players for honor, not war. WoW has no purpose in the Warcraft series. They have enough money to make WoW truly dynamic, yet they never did or ever will.
and its to easy..
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well i had a lot off fun all the way to 60, just think outside a box and dump all the green quests, solo the elite ones when they yellow
, but you most liky need engering to solo elite quests...
!! 
its a very dumb thing to rush to 60 keep, your proffesions skills lvled, close/compared to your own lvl i had such good stuff 3 days after i turned 60 that 4 man was enof for Dire Maul North to farm the first boss for a little blue items
But yere i quit like 1 week after i turned 60, i rather lvl up then farming for Rare Raaaaare items
????
how did he own me?
he talks that way about WoW but every game is pretty much like that. whatever you do in any game makes no difference. its not liek you can permanently change the game world in any game.
edit: oh, i see where this came from. after reading some of your posts, you're one of those people who totally hates WoW for whatever reason and go around bashing it every chance you get.
The game is really good and has lots of content. You have to remember not all games are for everyone. Most of these posters are "hardcore" and thus want the game set to hard or free loot which translates to convoluted and frustrating for casual gamers. This would alienate roughly 70% of customers and that is why blizzard does not implement it.
I do agree on the RvR aspect that needs to be improved, but blizzard has already said they are working on it. As to more "World Changing" impact needed no mmo has done this very successfully as of yet. There are games on the horizon that seem to be tackling this problem, but nothing really significant as of yet.
Had to try WoW, wish I hadn't bothered, too easy & *full* of kids talking crap. I dislike WoW, I dislike Blizzard, I dislike Blizzards games and I hate Vivendi Universal. Thems my reasons for hating WoW.
Oh for crying out loud.
WOW is a good MMORPG. Fair enough.
But any MMORPG is going to have people that like it
And it's going to have people who don't like it.
Personally I detest WOW. I can see why some folks like it. But for me it's a snoozer. I just don't enjoy it. The graphics are WAAAAY too cartoonish for me (and before someone mouths off that they're exactly what warcraft was, I hated Warcraft's graphics too) and the game just doesn't have much depth. Also I prefer a game that has more depth in the crafting system as well. WoW's crafting system is a joke compared to most other mmorpg's with crafting.
Like I said. I can see why people like it. What baffles me is why people who like it can't understand that there are people who DON'T like it.
I find wow really non-immersive. The graphics throw me out of whack right off the bat then the rest of the game just feels 'off' to me after that as well.
WoW is about 9th on my list of MMORPG's that I'd pay for. And I have this unwritten rule about not being willing to pay for more than 1, 2 tops, MMORPG's at a time. I don't even buy 2nd accounts in the same MMO unless my wife is playing it too.
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OOO, I'd like to field the original question.
The reason there is so much negativity about WoW is simple. Blizzard looked at all the good MMO's on the market and took the good things from all of those games, and left out a lot of the really good things.
When you think Blizzard you think groundbreaking type stuff. WoW was just a rehash of EQ and parts of DAOC. Most people who jumped to WoW were probably coming from one of these games and realized, "hey this is prety much the same thing as _____"
I also think that online gamers were spoiled, because in the beggining, UO was the game. This game was and still is IMO the most in depth MMO around. I mean think about it, in UO you couldn't just sit around casting spells just because you were bored. Oh no, if you cast, you used Reagents and they became quite costly.
WoW is a item fest. People all wander about looking for the top gear for said class. You will notice hundreds of people on your server dressed alike and and they are all capable of casting the same spells and everything tht you can do.
There is no sense of being the one who can do such and such, just a sense of "oh you don't have this leet gear yet?... then you can't come with us"
UO eventualy went to item driven system, and it ostricized a whole slew of UO fans.
If you are content being the same as everyone in your class and you really like to collect all the gear, well then WoW is for you.
If your looking for a more in depth game with more meaning I would suggest DAOC or UO
Not true.
Here is one example: In Lineage 2 you can take and hold a castle. By doing so you have changed the game world. Intelligent persons will also use their new property to make more money. The prestige and potential additional income that comes with taking and holding a castle motivates players to fight hard for it, and leads to greater loyalty to good leaders.
In WoW, you can't do something like that. You can organize a raid on, say, Southshore, overrun it with Horde, assign a number of players to keep killing the guards that respawn no matter what, and with the rest of your raid group keep the Alliance from making a successful counter attack. But, in a few hours when most people have logged off---P00f!---everything goes back to the way it was. And, all you've got to show for your "victory" is bragging rights. Meanwhile, everyone is thinking, damn, I spent 3 gold on potions and arrows last night and all I got in return was a small number of Honor Kills compared to what I could get if I'd spent three hours in Battlegrounds.
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Ashkent ..... Owned again
KaptZerg ..... 1
Not true.
Here is one example: In Lineage 2 you can take and hold a castle. By doing so you have changed the game world. Intelligent persons will also use their new property to make more money. The prestige and potential additional income that comes with taking and holding a castle motivates players to fight hard for it, and leads to greater loyalty to good leaders.
In WoW, you can't do something like that. You can organize a raid on, say, Southshore, overrun it with Horde, assign a number of players to keep killing the guards that respawn no matter what, and with the rest of your raid group keep the Alliance from making a successful counter attack. But, in a few hours when most people have logged off---P00f!---everything goes back to the way it was. And, all you've got to show for your "victory" is bragging rights. Meanwhile, everyone is thinking, damn, I spent 3 gold on potions and arrows last night and all I got in return was a small number of Honor Kills compared to what I could get if I'd spent three hours in Battlegrounds.
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Ashkent ..... Owned again
KaptZerg ..... 1
To add fuel to the fire:
DAOC, an even older game than L2, also has this feature. And there's more to it than just bonus xp and money, you can actually affect how much damage you do by owning relics, etc. Another game is Shadowbane, also older than WoW, which allows players to build cities and fight wars.... AO has land control as well, though that's meaningless other than just controlling the land. Lets see... oh! Almost forgot: In SWG you could shift the control of planets I suppose that's stil lthere but fortunately for wow SOE has managed to kill that game and alienate most of the veteran population so they're migrating to other games.... then there's Horizons, where players can build their own villiages, etc and alter the landscape of the world. Also the players can actually affect the environment of the game by driving back or succumbing to the evil hordes of undead.
Lets see... that's just off the top of my head...
Oh... damn! I just remembered EVE! Another game where players affect the game in deep and meaningful ways....
There are more, but I'm tired of listing them. The one thing all these games have in common:
They're all older than WoW. The reason why older MMORPG players prefer older mmorpg's over WOW isn't Nostalgia... it's because WoW lacks many of the features that makes those older MMORPG's fun. They did a great job of stealing ideas and concepts and simplifying them. They did a lousy job of innovating any real ideas of their own or improving on the core aspects of those older games that really made them addictive.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Still in: A couple Betas