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Wait, when Smed said 'We're giving you a sandbox' did he mean 'EQN Landmark' was the sandbox...
noncley
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... but not 'EQ Next' itself? In other words, the 'building game' is the sandbox, not the 'actual game' itself?
Because if that's the case, this is really the last time I'm going to let myself be suckered by that bald fatso after Matrix Online, SWG, Vanguard, POTBS (basically every other SOE game) etc etc.
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...Yes, but will EQN be a sandbox?
Dude I know all that. Go back and read the question I'm actually asking.
Two seperate games for now, though they never said they won't allow people to directly load from one to the other later down the road like an instance.
Think he wants to know if you can drop houses ect in EQN....no idea on that one. Maybe we will find out later
Depending on your definition of sandbox: No
YES. I. KNOW. THAT.
I am asking: WILL THE SECOND GAME BE A SANDBOX?
Seriously, am I not expressing myself clearly enough? Can anyone help me express the question in simpler words maybe?
Calm down lmao, we don't know yet. You heard what we heard. If I said either way it would be speculation on my part.
yes sir, we probably can
but first, since everyone's view of how and what a sandbox should look or feel like you have to tell us what a sandbox is for you.. then, we probably can tell you if it will be one
also don't forget that we just know about the same amount as you do.. since there is only that one movie we all seen..
so what you are asking here is if we seen something you didn't in this video .. right?
nope. It's obviously a theme park.
Sandbox was just the camouflage word for "let players go create art assets for us to save time and money" in a separate client.
Ok...how is it a themepark? I must have missed that part. Massive open world with procedurally generated content to discover. A destructible, buildable world. The word instance wasn't used once. They didn't even talk about getting loot.
If this is a themepark, what are the rides? Really. I want to know what you consider to be the rides in EQ Next based on what we saw. I think the truth is you were going to call it a Themepark no matter what they showed us.
I hear ya noncley. I'm getting the same thing in my thread
Some don't seen to understand that they talked about two completely separate games
its not two seperate games. EQ Landmarks is a feature of EQ Next. EQ Landmarks is what they call their toolset that you can use inside the EQ Next game. The are just going to open up EQ Landmarks feature before the release of EQ next so players can build things for the game.
Edit: Scratch that, its billed as a seperate game but mostly its an extension and true purpose is to create objects for EQ Next.
To me this whole EQNEXT LM sounds like "Hey,we don't have a clue how a proper MMO must be to appeal the masses,so lets give the masses the ability to make the game instead of us".
Sounds extremely lousy and lazy.Fairly disappointed.SOE clearly has lost its touch to the MMO genre.
/facepalm
People have been clamoring for a sandbox MMO where players can create their own content and change teh world their way. They finally may do that and now we have people like you claiming they are lazy. Man that sounds stupid.
What are you people not understanding. EQ LM is a tool to create stuff.
You hop on, run around, pick a nice spot for you picnic and start laying down your stuff. You get to mix and match your work on other people work. If you get a nice combo it might get ported to the actual EQN game ABOUT WHICH WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INFORMATION.
In other words we help the dev team create the game, atleast from the world design stand point.
They said very little about the game, because at the moment thats all there is to it. Don't freak about the pvp, sandbox etc. All in due time. Did you see the last fight? They each used 2 spells, a small field of landscape, and a boss that had the same single skill nuke from the lavachamber boss. The death spot and time was predetermined, there was almost 0 movement, 0 UI presence. Just a little snipet of what the game could potentialy be and what is it's aims.
You are getting a sandbox. He said you were getting a sandbox.
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Good question, why is it a theme park.... maybe someone build a Theme Park with the Landmark tools
"Sandbox" refers to more than just player construction... free-form player character advancement is as much a part of being a sandbox as building construction. So is a non-scripted world AI that reacts to player actions, for that matter.
So regardless of whether we can permanently build in EQN's open world... both EQN and EQNL are definitely sandboxes.
Now, he DID specifically state that a CASTLE sold through Player Studio could contain TOWERS and other content created by other players... unless he's talking about a Landmark-only Player Studio.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see what shape player housing takes in EQN. It could (and should) range from EQ2 style 'apartment' housing to full Landmark-style sandbox housing zones.
I doubt we'll see individual open-world housing... although guild housing (via something like a guild-only mini-Rally Call event) would be cool.
I'm kind of having doubts what they mean about this Landmark thing too. Obviously you can do all that building in Landmark, and some stuff can make it into EQNext as game assets.
But, as to whether or not we'll be able to actually build houses and cities in EQNext, I'm feeling doubtful. It sounds like city building and all that could be tied up with the public events and just mass public participation. They haven't explained things well at all.
Definitely need to hear more definitive explanations.
It hasn't been announced to what extent the Landmark tools will be available once EQ Next has the full proper release.
I'm guessing they'll still be used. It'd be pretty goofy to say "That was really neat using all those tools to make things in Landmark wasn't it? Hope everyone had fun! NOW YOU CAN NEVER DO IT AGAIN WE'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN FOREVER"
They're never going to shut down Landmark. They're going to use it as a content farm for EQN. That's my guess.
Yes, they'll keep it around to exploit people the way Blizzard exploited the UI modders in WoW. Though, I'd like for SoE to at least give a nod or credit content to the people who designed it instead of just stealing the work like Blizzard did, at least.