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What do you do in this game, exactly?
xyagentguy
Member Posts: 78
I have a serious question. But first I was to stress that I don't necessarily believe "grinding" is fun, but it may seem so based on a what I write.
I was really trying to think about what I loved from EQ1 and EQ2 (unlike most I played both heavily and enjoyed both heavily). I loved camping certain mobs with my buds in EQ1 (Dervish camps, anyone?). I loved dungeoneering for the exp, the fun of the kill, the loot, the levels, the new spells and abilities. I loved raiding for the same reason. I loved named NPCs and the excitement of when they popped. I simply loved the adventure of the games, the clear roles, and progressing my character in power and fortune. I was never a HARDCORE raider, by any means, I still liked doing these things at my leisure.
So now EQN comes along. It has NO levels. No raids to speak of, no stats on gear, no vertical progression. Am I missing something here? I'm supposed to go out and explore to get all these classes and then progress these classes. Uh, what if I only care about a few classes, or want to even be a purist, and JUST play my Necromancer? What am I working for, exactly? Why do I enter a dungeon with my buddies to not gain experience, levels, or loot with stats? Is it PURELY cosmetic? Things will start to look cooler as I grow in tier? I feel like they removed some of the basic building blocks of a fantasy mmo, and I'm kinda lost.
I love the new AI, and I'm sure I will participate in some really cool dynamic event and rallying calls...... but then, after a while... for what? No exp, no levels, no loot with stats..? It seems after a very short time, I'm just gonna bugger out (not terribly too dissimilar to what happened with me and GW2).
The destructible thing is cool, but really.. I never saw myself so much of a miner or digger or caver in my fantasy mmo. I am constantly going down. Further and further down... for what? No exp, no levels, no loot with stats?
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lol, not sure
I am still not sure what horizontal progression means. Gather more classes....that's great. Then what. No gear progress, no raid progress, uhm....
Yeah I'm sure changing the world will be cool. But that's all WORLD. What about changing ME. MY toon, my fantasy avatar. I'm sure these events will be dynamic and impactful, but to what end? To see the world change.... okay.... I'm following. But the change does what for me? I guess in some ways it'll be gratifying that I helped the change, unless I don't LIKE the change, then it's sort of.... sad. Learn new stuff, kill stuff, and explore..... to not gain experience, levels, or stats on loot?
Just because you don't have some symbolic number (levels) next to your name doesn't mean your character isn't getting more powerful. Your character still has new experiences and is able to affect the game world even without levels.
Pre -NGE SWG didn't have levels...and no one cared. You had titles, skills and gear.
I was the most well known Master Ranger on the Naritus server and I made millions of credits helping Jedi track down the rare mobs they needed for the Knight trials. I used those credits to fund my player city and upgrade my starships and so on.
I didn't give a crap about levels.
What about you? Well I sort of answered that already. I'm under the impression it will be pretty much everything like in another MMO except you won't have levels. You'll still have powerful skills to learn, you'll still have gear that doesn't just have a cosmetic effect (they talked about it changing skills and so on, an example was less mana for a certain skill) so it is equal to having a piece of gear that gives you X amount of mana, it's just the way it's being done is different.
This is just what I've gathered from watching their videos. In addition to that I would assume their would be plenty of need for resources and as such loot because they have talked about making crafting important and are talking about carrying over some of the building elements from landmark. All that's really gone as far as you the character is concerned is level numbers and it looks like we are getting so much more in return.
I do remembering loving SWG before NGE (ick) but playing a sci-fi mmorpg is sort of a different beast in my opinion. Maybe that's my problem. I DON'T love TSW, I find it's "progression" system dull and lackluster.
This is a legitimate question. At this point we don't know enough about their plans for pve and pvp to have an answer.
The OP brings up the fundamental question about level-less MMO design.
My play group logs in. What do we do? Why do we do it if it doesn't improve our circumstances?
They have yet to address that. They have plenty of time to do it, but it seems to conflict with a primary design pillar.
My point is that they are giving us a living, changing world to explore, build up, destroy, etc. ...... instead of a game.
If you need structured, linear gameplay and objectives then I don't think this will be your cup of tea.
Best of luck to you.
well, it looks like you are supposed to.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUYjpKg9KY
Why does this reminds me of...
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
Long term goals from what I've seen in videos.
1. Attribute Point acquisition. Stated as something that requires a lot of effort and time.
2. Item acquisition. Items have functionality changes that compliment playing styles. The example given was a type of ring that makes teleport moves cost less energy.
3. Each class is a full package. Multi-classing is only for if you want to alter the existing play styles of a class. Each classes progression has been designed to be a long-term progression.
Where did you hear that gear won't have stats and be unique? I thought that was one of the things they were specifically talking about. Plus in a video they showed a wizard using some boots that allowed a floating effect as she was traveling down a mountain area. I think we will be amazed by the crafting and the cool gear we find. Also being able to make your own housing and protect it from the environment. Take daily adventures to explore new areas or perhaps raid dungeons or group up and set out to see a new camp your buddy heard about. It's kind of like choose your own adventure. If you like just playing one class that you pick the weapons and get really good at the class and maybe pick up new skills as you go. We are still only partially into the details phase. Many things are yet to be revealed. I know I am very curious about this whole game. They even have guns in this version of EQ. That means some classes of the 40 will be gun slingers.
What do you do in this game exactly?
I hope it is playing the game like an MMO should be. Which is letting the player decide what he wants to do and where he wants to do it, instead of the typical themepark MMO where it tells you what to do and where to do it, and if you dont like it tough luck your doing it anyways, because thats part of the ride on rails.
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Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Thats the thing that impresses me, it makes me think that items will have actual enchanted powers that you can physically use in the world other than just provide +stats value. Well pretty much every feature impresses me so far. It really is starting to seem like what they are saying the game will be...A virtual world.
Items will have ability modifiers on them. Things like '- 5 energy consumption for Fire Spells'.
Your items will compliment the specific abilities you want to use in your role. You will want to find/collect items that have the modifiers you need to make the builds you plan to use even more effective. So items will still have value, just as they have had in EQ/EQ2/WoW/Etc, just not in the same manner people are used to.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Yeah, fyerwall that is how it will work.
Character's have attributes, and getting attributes requires accomplishing goals in the world.
Gear will instead have 'modifiers'.
If anyone played Path of Exile then they probably have an idea, but below are some examples.
Each piece of gear shown has an effect at the bottom of it's proprieties list. That is specifically the type of thing I'm talking about when I talk of 'modifiers'.
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Death_Rush
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Bramblejack
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Heartbreaker
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Death%27s_Harp
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Atziri%27s_Mirror
This video is Kripke from PoE community explaining why such a gear system is so good for a game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=269-ZPPIFjE&t=6m5s
To have Fun, immersed in a dynamic Fantasy World.
Fun, try it, it is good.
To me it seems like EQN is based on the Fun of the adventure and immersion. And that is a big appeal.
I do not need a carrot on a stick to follow, or a railroad to show me the way.
All I need is the good company of friends and a world to explore discover and adventure in, deal with the challenges it contains uncover its secrets, see what it has to offer and how some of it can be used to crate different things that can enhance the adventure and permit to take on bigger challenges.
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ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard