Originally posted by EMP_ThatSoHarsh Lets see how it plays out in the end. If it bombs, then it will become free to play.
I'm one of their most loyal fans played FFXIV from version 1.0 release until servers closed in preparation for ARR and if they ever go free to play that will be the day that me and many others will quit the game.
Yoshi did say that he will shut the game down and not go free to play so I'm happy to hear that and I will play for many many years.
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15 bucks a month really isn't much if the game is worth it. It's only $30 pre-order, you get a month free, so who the hell cares. May as well give it a shot, and if it's an engaging, quality game, then I would much rather spend 15 a month on P2P, then who knows how much on a cash shop.
Cash shops can drain the pockets more than anything. I also think that FF14 has a slightly cheaper monthly cost. like 12 a month or something?
Originally posted by Shatter30 This game will fail as a sub MMO. If TOR couldn't survive as one as large of an IP as it is, why would this do any better when its essentially a WOW clone done worse.
I was able to watch a live stream from a friend tonight. ARR carries some of the major issues swtor had. Number one being it's the same old same, "Collect bird becks" type of thing. fans and current ff players may play, but I can't see it gaining much form anywhere else.
It's sub. Cool. They've said they have the resources (SE) to self-fund the game updates etc. They don't have to go to 2nd parties for financing. Cool.
All that said, every quest that I've seen is Kill X number of X which has become one of the top 3 complaints of gamers in the last X years.
I'll play for the free month my 1.0 CE gets me but unless it opens up and the questing offers more options (I have doubts from what I've seen) it won't go more than the month.
If it does offer more flavor, then here...take my sub. Take it 2xs for the 1 account and thank you!
The question is not whether this game should have a subscription but whether that game is worth it to you for a sub. If the game is worth it for any reason then it justifies it . It can be for the old school mechanics or the FF flavor or even for the graphics but it has to be a personal decision. It is for me after beta so am paying and playing TYVM.
So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.
That because nearly all AAA games since wow ahve tried to copy wow and have failed.. no one wants to play a wow copy when they can play the real thing. A lot of them did start out as sub based mind you.. actually nearly all of them did.. but they where not good enough.
If a game is really good then a sub model will work just fine..
Myself i dont think this is a good game and i think its more of the same.. i will prob go f2p after a bit..
It is better to have a loyal playerbase of 200K that will continuously support the game and developers than having 10 million drifters that leave the game as soon as the "next big thing" hits. subscription is the best option for companies that wants to provide their subscribers with best service.
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Well this will more then likely be my last MMO as this is the only model I will support (P2P no cash shop). Played FFXI for nearly 9 years and played WoW for a couple years but pretty much all but stopped playing WoW after the cash shop. I don't mind paying a monthly fee but I refuse to pay if you try to charge me extra for something my sub fee should already cover.
Originally posted by kitarad The question is not whether this game should have a subscription but whether that game is worth it to you for a sub. If the game is worth it for any reason then it justifies it . It can be for the old school mechanics or the FF flavor or even for the graphics but it has to be a personal decision. It is for me after beta so am paying and playing TYVM.
Thats the big problem with sub games. "Back in the day" if you didnt have content gamers didnt have options. So a new MMO could be polished and fun to play and be missing end game. We would wait and pay to play as that was the only option. You fo P2P now, well you better have a polished game and lack for nothing the game needs. I will toss the dice on FF14 and in 3-6 months if they dont live up to my needs. Well off I will go because I have options =-) If FF14 is well worth the money of 15 bucks a month, I will happily pay till they dont fill my gaming needs. SE may not know it, but going P2P is saying something now days. I have what you want come play. We will see =-)
Anything in life, it its good then its worth whatever the price. I haven't played this game, but when it launches and I read mostly good things about it after, I might give it a shot.
But we got Wildstar, Archage, ESO, and pass that EQNext, so competition going to get tight. And for the sake of the MMO industry, you can bash all you want, but we should really really hope this new wave of MMOs coming out are actually decent. We have been shit on in the last few years, lets be honest. And the mother of them all is SWTOR - the pinnacle of MMO hype, and epic failure on every angle.
So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.
That because nearly all AAA games since wow ahve tried to copy wow and have failed.. no one wants to play a wow copy when they can play the real thing. A lot of them did start out as sub based mind you.. actually nearly all of them did.. but they where not good enough.
If a game is really good then a sub model will work just fine..
Myself i dont think this is a good game and i think its more of the same.. i will prob go f2p after a bit..
I am glad your views do not represent the masses or SE's. I am a longtime FFXI subscriber and that game still gets new content and is still sub based. (Eleven years later) Also for everyone saying that "it will go F2P after a bit." Here is a bit of harsh reality for you, this game has a more Eastern/Japanese feel to it than most of the other MMO's out there now. This is no accident as their intention from the start was a small community "400k" that could support this game. Understand that this number is beyond modest and they would probably not even need to launch in the us to hit that mark.
Final Fantasy XI is still at 320k subs (was 270k before seekers dropped) Most (not all) Gamers will enjoy playing a game and being able to access all of its content through hard work and not having the game beg you to buy bag space or skins or ..... how about this mount that you could have just Crafted/Quested for in XIV.
I have played FFXI for 11 years ... WoW briefly.....DCUO for the last two years,Neverwinter, Tera and Rift off and on for the past year or so also. After playing the FFXIV beta I cannot even force myself to play ANY of them and I have tried repeatedly the difference between them is really that vast.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
Oh no, cash shop options! The horror! How will these games stay afloat now?
Seriously? No complaints about the WoW cash shop, or the Dead Space 3 cash shop, games that are not F2P?
Your evidence doesn't point to F2P being the "worst thing that has happened to MMOs". In fact, your evidence doesn't point to anything, because there is none. So you saw some "cash shop options". What were they? Were they xp boosters? Special mounts? Cosmetic items?
You can't just say "I saw x and came to the conclusion that y". We need to see evidence, evidence that you can expand upon, otherwise your conclusion is pretty much pointless.
Oh and Zuv, why are you just agreeing with him? Did you see the exact same things he did and come to the exact same conclusion, or are you just in an agreeable mood?
To everyone reading this, this comment is not a troll or flame or anything, so please do not treat it as such; I'm just sick and tired of people hating on games or business models within games without giving any evidence, that's all.
It's a sub based game & I couldn't be happier about it. I'll gladly shell out a nominal fee for a quality game.
I agree 100%.
F2P is trash. I'm so sick of it.
If a sub helps keep away the less mature players and other undesirables who either want to pay 2 win, pay to cheat (currency buying ala GW2 gems or Rift REX), or who just don't want to pay at all for their entertainment, then I consider that an added bonus.
Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.
It's a sub based game & I couldn't be happier about it. I'll gladly shell out a nominal fee for a quality game.
I agree 100%.
F2P is trash. I'm so sick of it.
If a sub helps keep away the less mature players and other undesirables who either want to pay 2 win, pay to cheat (currency buying ala GW2 gems or Rift REX), or who just don't want to pay at all for their entertainment, then I consider that an added bonus.
Oh, god, I can taste the irony of your comment. It's delicious, just delicious.
I agree too. F2P is crap.The concept promotes laziness in the devs to bring out quantity content rather than quality. I also feel as if immersion is sacrificed totally when there is a "subscribe now' button in every UI window that's opened up.I want to RP what I can get in the game through the game...not through my CC#
Cash shops are nothing more than virtual wal marts plopped down in the middle of literally "any" genre or setting. Over half of the items aren't even lore related and have no back story.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
Oh no, cash shop options! The horror! How will these games stay afloat now?Seriously? No complaints about the WoW cash shop, or the Dead Space 3 cash shop, games that are not F2P?Your evidence doesn't point to F2P being the "worst thing that has happened to MMOs". In fact, your evidence doesn't point to anything, because there is none. So you saw some "cash shop options". What were they? Were they xp boosters? Special mounts? Cosmetic items?You can't just say "I saw x and came to the conclusion that y". We need to see evidence, evidence that you can expand upon, otherwise your conclusion is pretty much pointless.Oh and Zuv, why are you just agreeing with him? Did you see the exact same things he did and come to the exact same conclusion, or are you just in an agreeable mood?To everyone reading this, this comment is not a troll or flame or anything, so please do not treat it as such; I'm just sick and tired of people hating on games or business models within games without giving any evidence, that's all.
So,
How's the meta-gaming in those F2P Publisher controlled economy?
Every game I have played with a Cash Shop where I have a high level character has sucked.
Anarchy Online- OMG where to start.. And where to finish for that matter. Aside from the fact that their Cash Shop makes the game P2W, Funcom uses the cash shop to fix all the games woes now. Not to mention the stealth nerfs to many of the methods the game used to have y which players could make money in the game. I'm just going to stop here becuase I can go on for pages on that game.
Rappelz- Everythig in that game is RNG and gues what? RNG modifiers all over the place in the Cash Shop. The economy is based on items from the Cash Shop being traded. P2W. Etc.
PWI games are pretty much the same.
GW2- Cash Shop itself is actually not that bad. But the less than subtle RNG mechanics, the 15% tax on TP use, the lack of inter-player trade functions, the fact that nothing in the game that isn't tied to Precursors is of little to no value and the precursors are staggeringly over priced, and the biggest poison of all time in a Cash Shop driven game. Selling Gold! ........ I meant to go on with this list, but honestly, Why?
Cash Shops suck and they ruin the games they are in.
We....that is, those of us who have rallied in support of a P2P game with no Cash Shop in a 50 something page thread, do not want a Cash Shop. I know it's difficult to believe but there enough people who don't feel entitled to an experience someone else pays for to actually support this title as a subscription based game. This is the only new game coming out to offer this. If you don't like it, there are tons of other options for you. But for god's sake let us have this one game dammit!
We....that is, those of us who have rallied in support of a P2P game with no Cash Shop in a 50 something page thread, do not want a Cash Shop. I know it's difficult to believe but there enough people who don't feel entitled to an experience someone else pays for to actually support this title as a subscription based game. This is the only new game coming out to offer this. If you don't like it, there are tons of other options for you. But for god's sake let us have this one game dammit!
Ditto! I literally cheered when I read that. Well said Sir.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
Oh no, cash shop options! The horror! How will these games stay afloat now?
Seriously? No complaints about the WoW cash shop, or the Dead Space 3 cash shop, games that are not F2P?
Your evidence doesn't point to F2P being the "worst thing that has happened to MMOs". In fact, your evidence doesn't point to anything, because there is none. So you saw some "cash shop options". What were they? Were they xp boosters? Special mounts? Cosmetic items?
You can't just say "I saw x and came to the conclusion that y". We need to see evidence, evidence that you can expand upon, otherwise your conclusion is pretty much pointless.
Oh and Zuv, why are you just agreeing with him? Did you see the exact same things he did and come to the exact same conclusion, or are you just in an agreeable mood?
To everyone reading this, this comment is not a troll or flame or anything, so please do not treat it as such; I'm just sick and tired of people hating on games or business models within games without giving any evidence, that's all.
Well there is a beautifully worded response a few post below yours so I will let that serve as a viable answer. If I remember correctly they were selling some type of token or bag space..... honestly selling inventory is so low class that it makes my stomach turn.
I can tell you why I think they are awful however my opinions may differ from someone else's. For me personally I think they make the development team lazy, they concentrate on fluff instead of actual content to try and make a quick buck. If the fluff fails they then try to make pay to win options........ also every game I have played that has a cash shop has an absolutely horrible in game economy. Despite all of this the main thing I hate about cash shops is they cater to the entitled and the lazy.
I have Aegis/Excal/Almace/Ochain and just about everything a Pld could get in FFXI..... if they would have sold O Bronzepieces in a cash shop I would have quit the game. I stopped playing wow before the cash shop but from what I hear they sell mounts, In my opinion that is just as bad when you should be able to quest them in game and not have to whip out the old CC to buy them. I was overjoyed when I found out that you can actually craft the vanity pets in FFXIV ARR.
I stopped playing wow before the cash shop but from what I hear they sell mounts, In my opinion that is just as bad when you should be able to quest them in game and not have to whip out the old CC to buy them. I was overjoyed when I found out that you can actually craft the vanity pets in FFXIV ARR.
Just a small note, there are (literally) hundreds of mounts available in World of Warcraft that you do not have to buy from the Cash Shop. You can buy them with in-game gold from mount vendors, reputation vendors, receive them as special drops from bosses, craft them, earn them by completing in-game achievements, etc.
I'm not trying to derail the thread, but every now and then I read some hate for the Blizzard store where it is really un-warranted. Blizzard has what I believe to be one of the most benign Cash Shop model around.
I stopped playing wow before the cash shop but from what I hear they sell mounts, In my opinion that is just as bad when you should be able to quest them in game and not have to whip out the old CC to buy them. I was overjoyed when I found out that you can actually craft the vanity pets in FFXIV ARR.
Just a small note, there are (literally) hundreds of mounts available in World of Warcraft that you do not have to buy from the Cash Shop. You can buy them with in-game gold from mount vendors, reputation vendors, receive them as special drops from bosses, craft them, earn them by completing in-game achievements, etc.
I'm not trying to derail the thread, but every now and then I read some hate for the Blizzard store where it is really un-warranted. Blizzard has what I believe to be one of the most benign Cash Shop model around.
I agree. I didn't like Blizz cash shop, but I couldn't resist one mount, so I had to buy it. It was around New year, if I just waited few days later... Now I have all mount from Blizzard shop, but spent money only for one. There is always nice people who will buy it for you, for some amount of gold.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
Oh no, cash shop options! The horror! How will these games stay afloat now?Seriously? No complaints about the WoW cash shop, or the Dead Space 3 cash shop, games that are not F2P?Your evidence doesn't point to F2P being the "worst thing that has happened to MMOs". In fact, your evidence doesn't point to anything, because there is none. So you saw some "cash shop options". What were they? Were they xp boosters? Special mounts? Cosmetic items?You can't just say "I saw x and came to the conclusion that y". We need to see evidence, evidence that you can expand upon, otherwise your conclusion is pretty much pointless.Oh and Zuv, why are you just agreeing with him? Did you see the exact same things he did and come to the exact same conclusion, or are you just in an agreeable mood?To everyone reading this, this comment is not a troll or flame or anything, so please do not treat it as such; I'm just sick and tired of people hating on games or business models within games without giving any evidence, that's all.
So,
How's the meta-gaming in those F2P Publisher controlled economy?
Every game I have played with a Cash Shop where I have a high level character has sucked.
Anarchy Online- OMG where to start.. And where to finish for that matter. Aside from the fact that their Cash Shop makes the game P2W, Funcom uses the cash shop to fix all the games woes now. Not to mention the stealth nerfs to many of the methods the game used to have y which players could make money in the game. I'm just going to stop here becuase I can go on for pages on that game.
Rappelz- Everythig in that game is RNG and gues what? RNG modifiers all over the place in the Cash Shop. The economy is based on items from the Cash Shop being traded. P2W. Etc.
PWI games are pretty much the same.
GW2- Cash Shop itself is actually not that bad. But the less than subtle RNG mechanics, the 15% tax on TP use, the lack of inter-player trade functions, the fact that nothing in the game that isn't tied to Precursors is of little to no value and the precursors are staggeringly over priced, and the biggest poison of all time in a Cash Shop driven game. Selling Gold! ........ I meant to go on with this list, but honestly, Why?
Cash Shops suck and they ruin the games they are in.
We....that is, those of us who have rallied in support of a P2P game with no Cash Shop in a 50 something page thread, do not want a Cash Shop. I know it's difficult to believe but there enough people who don't feel entitled to an experience someone else pays for to actually support this title as a subscription based game. This is the only new game coming out to offer this. If you don't like it, there are tons of other options for you. But for god's sake let us have this one game dammit!
Oh man, I can't WAIT to see your face when Blizzard unveils their cash shop in WoW.
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I'm one of their most loyal fans played FFXIV from version 1.0 release until servers closed in preparation for ARR and if they ever go free to play that will be the day that me and many others will quit the game.
Yoshi did say that he will shut the game down and not go free to play so I'm happy to hear that and I will play for many many years.
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My opinion
15 bucks a month really isn't much if the game is worth it. It's only $30 pre-order, you get a month free, so who the hell cares. May as well give it a shot, and if it's an engaging, quality game, then I would much rather spend 15 a month on P2P, then who knows how much on a cash shop.
Cash shops can drain the pockets more than anything. I also think that FF14 has a slightly cheaper monthly cost. like 12 a month or something?
Killing dragons is my shit
I couldn't be happier that it is subscription based. I hate being slapped in the face constantly for money by F2P games.
I'd rather pay my monthly fee and not have to worry about what they will charge me for. I know upfront what they will charge me for: the game.
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This.
It's sub. Cool. They've said they have the resources (SE) to self-fund the game updates etc. They don't have to go to 2nd parties for financing. Cool.
All that said, every quest that I've seen is Kill X number of X which has become one of the top 3 complaints of gamers in the last X years.
I'll play for the free month my 1.0 CE gets me but unless it opens up and the questing offers more options (I have doubts from what I've seen) it won't go more than the month.
If it does offer more flavor, then here...take my sub. Take it 2xs for the 1 account and thank you!
Time will tell.
That because nearly all AAA games since wow ahve tried to copy wow and have failed.. no one wants to play a wow copy when they can play the real thing. A lot of them did start out as sub based mind you.. actually nearly all of them did.. but they where not good enough.
If a game is really good then a sub model will work just fine..
Myself i dont think this is a good game and i think its more of the same.. i will prob go f2p after a bit..
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Thats the big problem with sub games. "Back in the day" if you didnt have content gamers didnt have options. So a new MMO could be polished and fun to play and be missing end game. We would wait and pay to play as that was the only option. You fo P2P now, well you better have a polished game and lack for nothing the game needs. I will toss the dice on FF14 and in 3-6 months if they dont live up to my needs. Well off I will go because I have options =-) If FF14 is well worth the money of 15 bucks a month, I will happily pay till they dont fill my gaming needs. SE may not know it, but going P2P is saying something now days. I have what you want come play. We will see =-)
Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.
Anything in life, it its good then its worth whatever the price. I haven't played this game, but when it launches and I read mostly good things about it after, I might give it a shot.
But we got Wildstar, Archage, ESO, and pass that EQNext, so competition going to get tight. And for the sake of the MMO industry, you can bash all you want, but we should really really hope this new wave of MMOs coming out are actually decent. We have been shit on in the last few years, lets be honest. And the mother of them all is SWTOR - the pinnacle of MMO hype, and epic failure on every angle.
I am glad your views do not represent the masses or SE's. I am a longtime FFXI subscriber and that game still gets new content and is still sub based. (Eleven years later) Also for everyone saying that "it will go F2P after a bit." Here is a bit of harsh reality for you, this game has a more Eastern/Japanese feel to it than most of the other MMO's out there now. This is no accident as their intention from the start was a small community "400k" that could support this game. Understand that this number is beyond modest and they would probably not even need to launch in the us to hit that mark.
Final Fantasy XI is still at 320k subs (was 270k before seekers dropped) Most (not all) Gamers will enjoy playing a game and being able to access all of its content through hard work and not having the game beg you to buy bag space or skins or ..... how about this mount that you could have just Crafted/Quested for in XIV.
I have played FFXI for 11 years ... WoW briefly.....DCUO for the last two years,Neverwinter, Tera and Rift off and on for the past year or so also. After playing the FFXIV beta I cannot even force myself to play ANY of them and I have tried repeatedly the difference between them is really that vast.
True Story, I tried to log onto Rift Yesterday and was presented with a few cash options..... after which I logged off and uninstalled the game from my hard drive. Sitting and thinking about what had just happened I also uninstalled Tera and Neverwinter. I have come to the conclusion that F2P is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to MMOS and I refuse to further the trend by supporting their products.
Agreed. I think I will uninstall those games tonight too
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Oh no, cash shop options! The horror! How will these games stay afloat now?
Seriously? No complaints about the WoW cash shop, or the Dead Space 3 cash shop, games that are not F2P?
Your evidence doesn't point to F2P being the "worst thing that has happened to MMOs". In fact, your evidence doesn't point to anything, because there is none. So you saw some "cash shop options". What were they? Were they xp boosters? Special mounts? Cosmetic items?
You can't just say "I saw x and came to the conclusion that y". We need to see evidence, evidence that you can expand upon, otherwise your conclusion is pretty much pointless.
Oh and Zuv, why are you just agreeing with him? Did you see the exact same things he did and come to the exact same conclusion, or are you just in an agreeable mood?
To everyone reading this, this comment is not a troll or flame or anything, so please do not treat it as such; I'm just sick and tired of people hating on games or business models within games without giving any evidence, that's all.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
I agree 100%.
F2P is trash. I'm so sick of it.
If a sub helps keep away the less mature players and other undesirables who either want to pay 2 win, pay to cheat (currency buying ala GW2 gems or Rift REX), or who just don't want to pay at all for their entertainment, then I consider that an added bonus.
Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.
Oh, god, I can taste the irony of your comment. It's delicious, just delicious.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
I agree too. F2P is crap.The concept promotes laziness in the devs to bring out quantity content rather than quality. I also feel as if immersion is sacrificed totally when there is a "subscribe now' button in every UI window that's opened up.I want to RP what I can get in the game through the game...not through my CC#
Cash shops are nothing more than virtual wal marts plopped down in the middle of literally "any" genre or setting. Over half of the items aren't even lore related and have no back story.
How's the meta-gaming in those F2P Publisher controlled economy?
Every game I have played with a Cash Shop where I have a high level character has sucked.
Anarchy Online- OMG where to start.. And where to finish for that matter. Aside from the fact that their Cash Shop makes the game P2W, Funcom uses the cash shop to fix all the games woes now. Not to mention the stealth nerfs to many of the methods the game used to have y which players could make money in the game. I'm just going to stop here becuase I can go on for pages on that game.
Rappelz- Everythig in that game is RNG and gues what? RNG modifiers all over the place in the Cash Shop. The economy is based on items from the Cash Shop being traded. P2W. Etc.
PWI games are pretty much the same.
GW2- Cash Shop itself is actually not that bad. But the less than subtle RNG mechanics, the 15% tax on TP use, the lack of inter-player trade functions, the fact that nothing in the game that isn't tied to Precursors is of little to no value and the precursors are staggeringly over priced, and the biggest poison of all time in a Cash Shop driven game. Selling Gold!
........
I meant to go on with this list, but honestly, Why?
Cash Shops suck and they ruin the games they are in.
We....that is, those of us who have rallied in support of a P2P game with no Cash Shop in a 50 something page thread, do not want a Cash Shop. I know it's difficult to believe but there enough people who don't feel entitled to an experience someone else pays for to actually support this title as a subscription based game. This is the only new game coming out to offer this. If you don't like it, there are tons of other options for you. But for god's sake let us have this one game dammit!
Ditto! I literally cheered when I read that. Well said Sir.
Well there is a beautifully worded response a few post below yours so I will let that serve as a viable answer. If I remember correctly they were selling some type of token or bag space..... honestly selling inventory is so low class that it makes my stomach turn.
I can tell you why I think they are awful however my opinions may differ from someone else's. For me personally I think they make the development team lazy, they concentrate on fluff instead of actual content to try and make a quick buck. If the fluff fails they then try to make pay to win options........ also every game I have played that has a cash shop has an absolutely horrible in game economy. Despite all of this the main thing I hate about cash shops is they cater to the entitled and the lazy.
I have Aegis/Excal/Almace/Ochain and just about everything a Pld could get in FFXI..... if they would have sold O Bronzepieces in a cash shop I would have quit the game. I stopped playing wow before the cash shop but from what I hear they sell mounts, In my opinion that is just as bad when you should be able to quest them in game and not have to whip out the old CC to buy them. I was overjoyed when I found out that you can actually craft the vanity pets in FFXIV ARR.
Just a small note, there are (literally) hundreds of mounts available in World of Warcraft that you do not have to buy from the Cash Shop. You can buy them with in-game gold from mount vendors, reputation vendors, receive them as special drops from bosses, craft them, earn them by completing in-game achievements, etc.
I'm not trying to derail the thread, but every now and then I read some hate for the Blizzard store where it is really un-warranted. Blizzard has what I believe to be one of the most benign Cash Shop model around.
I agree. I didn't like Blizz cash shop, but I couldn't resist one mount, so I had to buy it. It was around New year, if I just waited few days later... Now I have all mount from Blizzard shop, but spent money only for one. There is always nice people who will buy it for you, for some amount of gold.
Oh man, I can't WAIT to see your face when Blizzard unveils their cash shop in WoW.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?