TLDR; Everquest Next will be huge. Not everyone is negative. Many of us looking forward to EQN. Join us. We are many.
It is great you have a positive view of EQN, and I will support EQN too, but, please do not use "WE". Not everyone in "WE" is a positive sheep. I will dare to criticize EQN aspects that I believe is not up to standard of today's market. (Notice I use the word "I")
Also, to all the "we", please learn to manage expectation. EQN will be a new game, perhaps good and fun, but EQN is definately not going to "save the world".
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
Of course i hope for nothing more then that I'm wrong But i doubt we'll see the next big thing here, that is what the genre has taught me many times by sheer disappointment. - In the end the game is in too early stages to judge, and perhaps we will see refreshing AI, and be immersed in a MMO like we once where.
That was a side point of my post Agoden, I've not been let down as I have not felt the excitement of hype as it were in a long time. None of the recent games even drew more than passing interest from me. I've played all of the more popular ones searching out that old feeling - but none lasted more then a few days/weeks at a time.
I realize I could be wrong, but I'd be foolish to not let the feeling of old move me.. to not get excited about a new Norrath and all the good times to be had. And trust me, I know the crushing negativity on the mmorpg forums is near legend but I still like to read about MMO's here... sort of like looking at a car wreck, knowing you don't want to see - but you look anyway.
I completely understand where you're coming from After all, if i had given up i wouldn't be browsing this forum.
It's nice to see such a mature response, and as said before i do hope I'm wrong, so far I've enjoyed everything I've seen, but I'll keep my excitement locked up for a while longer
The MMORPG gamer is a more refined, more experienced, more demanding consumer than ever before. And smart, discerning consumers are very very right to voice their concerns. We know the difference between crass loudmouths and those voicing legitimate concerns. Trying to stifle this with your platitudes is transparent.
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!
The vast majority of MMORPG gamers are now WoW raised which means they are not refined but they are more demanding. They want easy games that are dumbed down versions of what the genre once was. They demand features that make games easier and cheapen any sense of accomplishment. They cry for options then demand players use certain builds or to allow them in groups. They mock ever games and hate on new features then turn around and praise Blizzard for cloning the same features into WoW. In other words, they are hypocrites.
The majority of MMORPGers are anything but what you claim, but you did bring a smile to my face. You younger gamers and your oversized egos are hilarious. You are so experienced...
TLDR; Everquest Next will be huge. Not everyone is negative. Many of us looking forward to EQN. Join us. We are many.
It is great you have a positive view of EQN, and I will support EQN too, but, please do not use "WE". Not everyone in "WE" is a positive sheep. I will dare to criticize EQN aspects that I believe is not up to standard of today's market. (Notice I use the word "I")
Also, to all the "we", please learn to manage expectation. EQN will be a new game, perhaps good and fun, but EQN is definately not going to "save the world".
Then clearly you are not of the "we" I speak of. And I am not a sheep. Some of us lead the sheep.. a shepherd if you will.
Originally posted by DSWBeef While I am genuinely excited. I am not blind by hype I am skeptical, I have been burned by way to many mmos not to be. Ive liked what ive seen and heard so far and I hope it continues. But I wont be surprised if the game isnt amazing. Keep an open mind is all I ask.
It's a game.
It'a a hobby.
I've bought bad cars, I don't criticize every new car that comes out year after year (my other hobby) because of that one bad experience.
I've been to bad gyms (another hobby), with bad equipment, I don't criticize all gyms because of one aspect of a specific culture.
If you aren't having fun in your hobby anymore and/or you're taking it so seriously that when you talk about it you sound like you're talking about a cheating lover...there might be a problem.
More than anything this community needs perspective.
Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.
Well said Krulux, I know exactly where you are coming from bud. EQN has me excited too, I've played MMO's since early EQ and this one is the first that's given me that feeling that something special is on its way.
Originally posted by DSWBeef While I am genuinely excited. I am not blind by hype I am skeptical, I have been burned by way to many mmos not to be. Ive liked what ive seen and heard so far and I hope it continues. But I wont be surprised if the game isnt amazing. Keep an open mind is all I ask.
I've just the opposite experience DSWBeef. I've not gotten excited for a game in ages. A large part has to do with the terrible forum behavior that's become the norm over the years, particularly since WoW's launch. Sure we always had folks with little to no respect for others - but it seems to be norm now-a-days.
I'm with you on the bandwagon $$.
But a little clarification, terrible forum behavior has always been the norm for Everquest, especially in Classic. It got so bad between the developers(o the Abashi hate :P) and the fans that they ended up blowing up their own forums and removing them entirely for a couple of years lol.
So no.. don't go blaming WoW for bad forum behavior. Its always been there.
I also tended to find the less you worried about getting to and participating in the highend, the happier you usually were.
*A player experiences a small amount of lag while playing EQ pre Kunark*
Truth being said is we don't know much about the game so time will tell but OP you are blindly saying lets all hype and support it cause you say so.
If a game is really good and worth playing eventually all will play it, if it gets hyped and it's not all that it will fall bad.
Not blindly... willingly. There is a difference.
You are right the game will stand on its own merit... but those that believe are already enjoying the game, the build-up and the hype as it were.
I've often wondered, what does the pessimistic minds enjoy? I suspect not much at all...
I'll use the simplistic example below;
good game = joy
bad game = woe
Optimist for game and game is good = 2 joys
Optimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy, 1 woe
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 woe, 1 joy
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 2 woes
So, the optimist has 3 times the joy and the pessimist has 3 times the woe.
I can see why so many of you post the way you do. I can understand the concept of not wanting to be let down or burned by getting hyped for a game. But I don't understand how one would choose to be a pessimist from the onset. I know some say they would rather be pleasantly surprised than letdown... but is that not giving in to being letdown a letdown in itself?
I guess I would not understand - I am an optimist for the most part. It's a strange concept to me to go through life not enjoying yourself as often as you can. And while I also have a realist view on some matters, such as finance and religion - the gaming portion of my life and any hobbies I engage are purely from an optimistic viewpoint. If not... why bother?
I've been a lurker on this site and a many other for years. Rarely do I post, and even lass as a fanatic. I've posted more in the past week or two that in the last 10 years combined. I wanted to take a few minutes of your time and share my thoughts and explain why you've been seeing more of my ramblings of late.
I read multiple EQN forums a day and there are many, many people excited for Everquest Next. Genuine excitement. All around the various game news outlets are excited postings and tweets galore. By far and way, the majority I read is positive and uplifting. However, the mmorpg community seems to have the highest concentration of critical EQN detractors. I would never move to dissuade a person from posting what or where they will, but I ask that you consider multiple sources during your search for everything EQN.
The SOE dev team for Everquest Next has said multiple times they did not want to take players from EQ or EQ2 and that is good. It's also male bovine excrement. I make this observation based on all the change they have laid on the table for EQN. Make no mistake they are making a new Everquest. They want all of us to play. All you have to do is let go, let go what was and grasp hold of what will be. I have no doubt the hardcore of the old EQ guard will play EQ until they shut the doors - for the rest us, the magic is already starting.
The magic of Everquest is a late evening sunset, a summer breeze with a touch of fall promised, a song carried ear to ear. Friend, the pull on your heart and the warm thoughts of days past is to be realized once again. I make no apology for my excitement for EQN. As I've said in many other posts, I've got a feeling about this one. I had this feeling when I played Asheron's Call and Everquest. The next time I had the feeling was in Star Wars Galaxies. I had hint of the feeling playing in early World of Warcraft. I have not felt it since. I've played several MMO's over the years - but I'd lost that feeling. You know what I speak of - if you played the early games... you know.
Finally, the old familiar feeling returned to me briefly the moment I saw the re-image of the famous EQ painting by Keith Parkinson. Not long after that I watched the "Tell us your EQ story" videos, and low and behold, the old feeling was thick in my mind. Then again, I especially felt it when hearing the new score by Jeremy Soule. The day of the reveal I gave myself over to the old feeling. The wonders I saw, finally realized, a new Norrath! And I get to enjoy all the wonders again and get to play in a fully realized living and breathing Everquest. The old feeling is with this one. I feel it in my bones. This is the game that we've been waiting for. This is the one. As sure are the sun rises and the moon lights the night, this one will be my new home.
The game they are building for us will change MMO's for the better, but more importantly it will make the crucial gap between the old games and the new gamer. A mix of things past and breath of fresh air. They are giving us all the tools we will need to build "our" game. They will give it to us with Everquest Next. The old lore, the old tales. It matters not the graphics, the mechanics or the GUI used to control it. The real heart of Everquest Next will be the community that binds it. People want this. This is the perfect time for it.
There are literally millions of people out there looking to find the one game, the one to call home. We are the geeks. We are the true gamers, true role players. The fans. We are ready for the next generation MMO. It's you and I that will make Everquest "ours" - don't let all the other voices drown out the one calling you home.
If you feel the old call and long for the kinship and brotherhood of days past and tomorrows to come... join us won't you?
We are legion.
TLDR; Everquest Next will be huge. Not everyone is negative. Many of us looking forward to EQN. Join us. We are many.
this is drivel.
I got a more precise TLDR for this: "Dont be discerning or have a critical aspect. Just accept any Everquest label on the package and dont mind the ingredients. Go mooooo and open your wallet."
Seriously.. why are you "legion" of frightening fanboys so scared of any post that brings up concerns or negative comparisons with games that have proven to be lesser, not worthy of the Everquest moniker?
Wrong, Everquest is not just the community. I know thats a lovely sentiment that makes your heart flutter with delight while roses burst forth from your morning dookie, but if that were true then EQ2 - that most hilarious embarrassment - would have been a success because it surely inherited that EQ "community".
The MMORPG gamer is a more refined, more experienced, more demanding consumer than ever before. And smart, discerning consumers are very very right to voice their concerns. We know the difference between crass loudmouths and those voicing legitimate concerns. Trying to stifle this with your platitudes is transparent.
You are supposed to place the tldr; part at the END of your post, not your opening line...
Originally posted by Ardwulf Great post. Don't let the haters get you down.
They don't get me down good Ardwulf... sympathy would be the accurate feeling I have for them.
Truth be told, I wish we could all get along. But I'm not foolish enough to believe I could convince many to let go the hate. Some will not ever let it go... even if EQN was precisely what they envisioned Everquest Next should be... they would find something to complain about as it is their nature.
No, my post is to the middle of the road gamer, the casual gamer.. the kind that perhaps enjoyed WoW for fun's sake and the kind that are maybe thinking about their first MMO. These are ones I post for...
The pessimists have been right for quite sometime. Problem is they've been right for so long they think it's always going to be this way. The "One" game will come out, it's only a matter of time.
Originally posted by DSWBeef While I am genuinely excited. I am not blind by hype I am skeptical, I have been burned by way to many mmos not to be. Ive liked what ive seen and heard so far and I hope it continues. But I wont be surprised if the game isnt amazing. Keep an open mind is all I ask.
I've just the opposite experience DSWBeef. I've not gotten excited for a game in ages. A large part has to do with the terrible forum behavior that's become the norm over the years, particularly since WoW's launch. Sure we always had folks with little to no respect for others - but it seems to be norm now-a-days.
I'm with you on the bandwagon $$.
But a little clarification, terrible forum behavior has always been the norm for Everquest, especially in Classic. It got so bad between the developers(o the Abashi hate :P) and the fans that they ended up blowing up their own forums and removing them entirely for a couple of years lol.
So no.. don't go blaming WoW for bad forum behavior. Its always been there.
I also tended to find the less you worried about getting to and participating in the highend, the happier you usually were.
I agree.
Maybe "EverQuest Next" will be successful in driving away the negativity trolls. I would gladly pay the price of cartoony graphics to achieve that goal!
The only way that will happen is if there are no humans left in existence.
So are you saying that EQN will end the human race?
No. He's saying that hopefully the wrist-cutting emos that got off on Everquest Classic and get off on anything that involves ritual flogging and got pushed off onto WoW, will not show up for this game because they're 'too cool' for it and it isn't 'hardcore' enuf for them.. meanwhile it hopefully goes more mainstream with sane people simply having a good time.
EQ1 from 2004-present has had one of the most mature communities in the history of gaming. The main thing that concerns them is that in looking cartoony it will signal a return of the kiddie gang warfare that permeated the early game. If they can avoid that and make a mature environment, it'll succeed.
I have no respect for the Classic Monkeys(those who claim the game ended with PoP). Most of them were just wannabe griefers that found they could have some serious fun with the game mechanics and relished wreaking havoc.
Truth being said is we don't know much about the game so time will tell but OP you are blindly saying lets all hype and support it cause you say so.
If a game is really good and worth playing eventually all will play it, if it gets hyped and it's not all that it will fall bad.
Not blindly... willingly. There is a difference.
You are right the game will stand on its own merit... but those that believe are already enjoying the game, the build-up and the hype as it were.
I've often wondered, what does the pessimistic minds enjoy? I suspect not much at all...
I'll use the simplistic example below;
good game = joy
bad game = woe
Optimist for game and game is good = 2 joys
Optimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy, 1 woe
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 woe, 1 joy
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 2 woes
So, the optimist has 3 times the joy and the pessimist has 3 times the woe.
I can see why so many of you post the way you do. I can understand the concept of not wanting to be let down or burned by getting hyped for a game. But I don't understand how one would choose to be a pessimist from the onset. I know some say they would rather be pleasantly surprised than letdown... but is that not giving in to being letdown a letdown in itself?
I guess I would not understand - I am an optimist for the most part. It's a strange concept to me to go through life not enjoying yourself as often as you can. And while I also have a realist view on some matters, such as finance and religion - the gaming portion of my life and any hobbies I engage are purely from an optimistic viewpoint. If not... why bother?
Ah, but in your simple example you fail to take in account the fact that people take great pleasure in being "right", pessimists in particular.
So your model would look more like this:
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 joy for game being good, 1 joy for being pleasantly surprised it is good
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy for being right that the game turned out bad as expected, and no woe since it's always better to be right than wrong.
So the reality is the pessimist is always satisfied with the outcome, it never turns out bad for them, while the optimist suffers extreme letdown when their hopes and dreams are smashed yet again. (because yet again, they were wrong)
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Truth being said is we don't know much about the game so time will tell but OP you are blindly saying lets all hype and support it cause you say so.
If a game is really good and worth playing eventually all will play it, if it gets hyped and it's not all that it will fall bad.
Not blindly... willingly. There is a difference.
You are right the game will stand on its own merit... but those that believe are already enjoying the game, the build-up and the hype as it were.
I've often wondered, what does the pessimistic minds enjoy? I suspect not much at all...
I'll use the simplistic example below;
good game = joy
bad game = woe
Optimist for game and game is good = 2 joys
Optimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy, 1 woe
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 woe, 1 joy
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 2 woes
So, the optimist has 3 times the joy and the pessimist has 3 times the woe.
I can see why so many of you post the way you do. I can understand the concept of not wanting to be let down or burned by getting hyped for a game. But I don't understand how one would choose to be a pessimist from the onset. I know some say they would rather be pleasantly surprised than letdown... but is that not giving in to being letdown a letdown in itself?
I guess I would not understand - I am an optimist for the most part. It's a strange concept to me to go through life not enjoying yourself as often as you can. And while I also have a realist view on some matters, such as finance and religion - the gaming portion of my life and any hobbies I engage are purely from an optimistic viewpoint. If not... why bother?
Ah, but in your simple example you fail to take in account the fact that people take great pleasure in being "right", pessimists in particular.
So your model would look more like this:
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 joy for game being good, 1 joy for being pleasantly surprised it is good
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy for being right that the game turned out bad as expected, and no woe since it's always better to be right than wrong.
So the reality is the pessimist is always satisfied with the outcome, it never turns out bad for them, while the optimist suffers extreme letdown when their hopes and dreams are smashed yet again. (because yet again, they were wrong)
It just takes a more mature person to be an optimist.
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It is great you have a positive view of EQN, and I will support EQN too, but, please do not use "WE". Not everyone in "WE" is a positive sheep. I will dare to criticize EQN aspects that I believe is not up to standard of today's market. (Notice I use the word "I")
Also, to all the "we", please learn to manage expectation. EQN will be a new game, perhaps good and fun, but EQN is definately not going to "save the world".
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
lolol
I completely understand where you're coming from
After all, if i had given up i wouldn't be browsing this forum.
It's nice to see such a mature response, and as said before i do hope I'm wrong, so far I've enjoyed everything I've seen, but I'll keep my excitement locked up for a while longer
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!
The vast majority of MMORPG gamers are now WoW raised which means they are not refined but they are more demanding. They want easy games that are dumbed down versions of what the genre once was. They demand features that make games easier and cheapen any sense of accomplishment. They cry for options then demand players use certain builds or to allow them in groups. They mock ever games and hate on new features then turn around and praise Blizzard for cloning the same features into WoW. In other words, they are hypocrites.
The majority of MMORPGers are anything but what you claim, but you did bring a smile to my face. You younger gamers and your oversized egos are hilarious. You are so experienced...
EQ Next is going to be incredible. It's going to be my new home. I hope that devs are working hard right now by making this game big and fun.
Then clearly you are not of the "we" I speak of. And I am not a sheep. Some of us lead the sheep.. a shepherd if you will.
"Youre in our world now!"
It's a game.
It'a a hobby.
I've bought bad cars, I don't criticize every new car that comes out year after year (my other hobby) because of that one bad experience.
I've been to bad gyms (another hobby), with bad equipment, I don't criticize all gyms because of one aspect of a specific culture.
If you aren't having fun in your hobby anymore and/or you're taking it so seriously that when you talk about it you sound like you're talking about a cheating lover...there might be a problem.
More than anything this community needs perspective.
Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.
*A player experiences a small amount of lag while playing EQ pre Kunark*
/ooc "NICE JOB GORDON!"
Truth being said is we don't know much about the game so time will tell but OP you are blindly saying lets all hype and support it cause you say so.
If a game is really good and worth playing eventually all will play it, if it gets hyped and it's not all that it will fall bad.
"mmorpg.com forum admins are all TROLLS and losers in real life"
My opinion
Not blindly... willingly. There is a difference.
You are right the game will stand on its own merit... but those that believe are already enjoying the game, the build-up and the hype as it were.
I've often wondered, what does the pessimistic minds enjoy? I suspect not much at all...
I'll use the simplistic example below;
good game = joy
bad game = woe
Optimist for game and game is good = 2 joys
Optimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy, 1 woe
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 woe, 1 joy
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 2 woes
So, the optimist has 3 times the joy and the pessimist has 3 times the woe.
I can see why so many of you post the way you do. I can understand the concept of not wanting to be let down or burned by getting hyped for a game. But I don't understand how one would choose to be a pessimist from the onset. I know some say they would rather be pleasantly surprised than letdown... but is that not giving in to being letdown a letdown in itself?
I guess I would not understand - I am an optimist for the most part. It's a strange concept to me to go through life not enjoying yourself as often as you can. And while I also have a realist view on some matters, such as finance and religion - the gaming portion of my life and any hobbies I engage are purely from an optimistic viewpoint. If not... why bother?
"Youre in our world now!"
You are supposed to place the tldr; part at the END of your post, not your opening line...
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They don't get me down good Ardwulf... sympathy would be the accurate feeling I have for them.
Truth be told, I wish we could all get along. But I'm not foolish enough to believe I could convince many to let go the hate. Some will not ever let it go... even if EQN was precisely what they envisioned Everquest Next should be... they would find something to complain about as it is their nature.
No, my post is to the middle of the road gamer, the casual gamer.. the kind that perhaps enjoyed WoW for fun's sake and the kind that are maybe thinking about their first MMO. These are ones I post for...
"Youre in our world now!"
No. He's saying that hopefully the wrist-cutting emos that got off on Everquest Classic and get off on anything that involves ritual flogging and got pushed off onto WoW, will not show up for this game because they're 'too cool' for it and it isn't 'hardcore' enuf for them.. meanwhile it hopefully goes more mainstream with sane people simply having a good time.
EQ1 from 2004-present has had one of the most mature communities in the history of gaming. The main thing that concerns them is that in looking cartoony it will signal a return of the kiddie gang warfare that permeated the early game. If they can avoid that and make a mature environment, it'll succeed.
I have no respect for the Classic Monkeys(those who claim the game ended with PoP). Most of them were just wannabe griefers that found they could have some serious fun with the game mechanics and relished wreaking havoc.
Ah, but in your simple example you fail to take in account the fact that people take great pleasure in being "right", pessimists in particular.
So your model would look more like this:
Pessimist for game and game is good = 1 joy for game being good, 1 joy for being pleasantly surprised it is good
Pessimist for game and game is bad = 1 joy for being right that the game turned out bad as expected, and no woe since it's always better to be right than wrong.
So the reality is the pessimist is always satisfied with the outcome, it never turns out bad for them, while the optimist suffers extreme letdown when their hopes and dreams are smashed yet again. (because yet again, they were wrong)
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You mean that game that became the 2nd most successful MMORPG since WoW's launch?
Cool.
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It just takes a more mature person to be an optimist.
And we take way more pleasure in being right.
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