Many people were expecting an EQN beta announcement, but what we ended up getting was World of Minecraft, a.k.a. Landmark. Did this cause the backlash against EQN?
Speculation, odd preconceptions and knee-jerk reaction to change caused the backlash. That's why it only exists in very tiny pockets of jaded bitter vets. The rest of the world is happy about EQN and looking forward to it.
I didn't vote because the poll is based on the false premises that 1) there was only news about Landmark and that 2) landmark is undesirable.
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Originally posted by Loktofeit Speculation, odd preconceptions and knee-jerk reaction to change caused the backlash. That's why it only exists in very tiny pockets of jaded bitter vets. The rest of the world is happy about EQN and looking forward to it.
Your poll basically allows me to share your opinion or share your opinion. Where is "I think the backlash was generated by children throwing fits and haters hating to hate."
Seriously, everything they have said about the game leaves nothing to hate REALLY... people are just making assumptions about the gaps and then either raging or or against the title. Landmark will guarantee we have a scope and scale of diversity in the game that no other MMO can touch... but BOO EFFING HOO you'll have to wait a few more months while they are fleshing out that destructible seamless voxel world for you.
Learn some patience, settle your ponies down, and learn how to make polls.
Answer this poll:
A. Reicht is better than everyone because of his hair and eyes.
B. Reicht is better than everyone for reasons that do not include his hair and eyes.
Speculation, odd preconceptions and knee-jerk reaction to change caused the backlash. That's why it only exists in very tiny pockets of jaded bitter vets. The rest of the world is happy about EQN and looking forward to it.
I didn't vote because the poll is based on the false premises that 1) there was only news about Landmark and that 2) landmark is undesirable.
I voted, but your poll is terribly biased to your obvious opinions on the game, and as such won't show any sort of conclusion b/c people are agreeing w/ your opinion either way, and thus are much less likely to vote in the first place. So the only answers you are really going to get are those that agree w/ your opinions about the game anyway, thus serving little purpose.
Originally posted by teddyboy420 I voted, but your poll is terribly biased to your obvious opinions on the game, and as such won't show any sort of conclusion b/c people are agreeing w/ your opinion either way, and thus are much less likely to vote in the first place. So the only answers you are really going to get are those that agree w/ your opinions about the game anyway, thus serving little purpose.
Your poll basically allows me to share your opinion or share your opinion. Where is "I think the backlash was generated by children throwing fits and haters hating to hate."
Seriously, everything they have said about the game leaves nothing to hate REALLY... people are just making assumptions about the gaps and then either raging or or against the title. Landmark will guarantee we have a scope and scale of diversity in the game that no other MMO can touch... but BOO EFFING HOO you'll have to wait a few more months while they are fleshing out that destructible seamless voxel world for you.
Learn some patience, settle your ponies down, and learn how to make polls.
Answer this poll:
A. Reicht is better than everyone because of his hair and eyes.
B. Reicht is better than everyone for reasons that do not include his hair and eyes.
Pick one.
Harsh, But True.
When the game was announced, little teaser tidbits were thrown out to get people hyped up on the New EQ, EVERYONE started taking the pieces and elaborating on it to what they think it means or what they want, and when announcements came out and didn't validate their predictions, people turned.
I for one had NO interest in the way people were predicting the game was going to be like and Hated all the Hype, and decided I hated the Game. After the announcements about the game TRUELY came out, Now I WANT to play it.
I don't really see that many people that have concerns about Landmark.
The concerns most commonly expressed about EQN seem to be: character models, limited number of skills, lack of traditional combat roles, use of action combat.
Most people seem to be excited or intrigued by the new stuff EQN is doing - including Landmark. People are just concerned that EQN is taking existing elements from what they perceive to be wrong sources. (i.e. That EQN is copying more from GW2, TSW, WoW than from EQ, EQ2, Vanguard)
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I was at SOE Live. And everyone seemed very happy about both Landmark and EQnext. My only problem with the game is im tired of games looking like cartoons.
I don't really understand the concept... Landmark is basicly an option to take part in something before the EQN beta starts. How exactly would that cause a backlash.... from people actually interested in the game.
They could have just announced some of the features of EQN and said... beta will start soon(tm) and left it at that. It would have been better?
Can't say I feel any backlash, and certainly Landmark really has no impact on my opinion, neat feature for those looking for something like that, but I'm not much interested.
I'm more interested in the PVP/player conflict model, that will determine whether or not I play it.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Speculation, odd preconceptions and knee-jerk reaction to change caused the backlash. That's why it only exists in very tiny pockets of jaded bitter vets. The rest of the world is happy about EQN and looking forward to it.
I didn't vote because the poll is based on the false premises that 1) there was only news about Landmark and that 2) landmark is undesirable.
Exactly. The OP must work in politics because his poll is the very definition of a 'push-poll', a poll that states a premise (often false), and then asks one to vote based on the leading statements of the poll.
There is no 'backlash' against EQN. If anything, it's more of a backfart. A few nostalgianistas are mad, and they'll try their hardest to make sure you're mad too.
I don't really see that many people that have concerns about Landmark.
The concerns most commonly expressed about EQN seem to be: character models, limited number of skills, lack of traditional combat roles, use of action combat.
Most people seem to be excited or intrigued by the new stuff EQN is doing - including Landmark. People are just concerned that EQN is taking existing elements from what they perceive to be wrong sources. (i.e. That EQN is copying more from GW2, TSW, WoW than from EQ, EQ2, Vanguard)
I wasnt even aware that landmark was being talked about let alone it affecting EQN negatively.
My concerns with EQN are mostly graphics related, i really don't like the art style used on the toons, its horrid. And i have yet to play any 'action' game that impressed me, the last one was Neverwinter, and the 'meh' factor is pretty high there. Im also concerned about the character classes, and how limited the abilities may prove to be, my favourite Everquest characters were monk and enchanter so im more than a little worried about the GW2 abilities focus.
Backlash? People haven't mentioned SOE without the words fuck off proceeding it in over a decade. People are actually talking about one of their games. All they did was hint at possible virtual world gameplay somewhere in eqn and forgiveness was granted for a history drowning in customer dissatisfaction and blame for the current state of mmo's.
Backlash would be silence. If EQN turns out to be another themed turd, you will see backlash and SOE will be done with pc gamers for good. Which might be the plan.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Someone should lock this thread just for the ops blind ignorance , world of mine craft??? Wtf are you talking about? Everyone bitches about theme parks and not having freedom to create or player housing or crafting or whatever the hell it may be, then when eqlandmark is announced people just call it minecraft, it's completely hypercritical because they want a sandbox style game and when one is announced they call it a copy of two other games,"old vets" need to get over themselves , no one wants a reskinned eq1.
Originally posted by Arskaaa world of minecraft? i see what u did there. EQN is not WoW clone as others mmorpgs.
World of minecraft would be more popular than WOW.
The kids adore minecraft and so do adults. Minecraft is too good of a game to be bent over by mmo devs. they'd more than likely remove everything that's awesome about minecraft and replace it with quests and lfg tool. then add gear based raiding endgame while they remove the ability to build stuff. Blame the customers for failing then get hired as an expert somewhere to destroy another IP while losing money. ]
I bet most people wouldn't even be surprised. The usual people would defend the same design decisions claiming minecraft was too niche. That one dude would be like I play games to be entertained, building stuff isn't entertaining that's why the free games I freeload in dont add building.
EQN should be so lucky to be mentioned in the same sentence as minecraft.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Ridiculously biased poll done by a wild star employee I’m sure. What back lash? We have not seen anything yet and until then it’s just all potentials; bad or good. They are on the right path and have many people very very excited so please go away and come back when you have actually seen the game
Originally posted by Kyllien What backlash? The few people on the forums here that are way over the top about the 90% of the game that hasn't been revealed yet?
I would say 99.9% has not been seen yet. Even after reviews are out, we need to play the game for ourself to fully see the game
Originally posted by KingsField Many people were expecting an EQN beta announcement, but what we ended up getting was World of Minecraft, a.k.a. Landmark. Did this cause the backlash against EQN?
Fix the poll to give an option where I don't agree with you. I don't see a backlash except by a few people complaining about art style, and that was a fight they were going to have no matter what they did. Overall, I think the reception to EQN and Landmark have been pretty good.
300 skills, where most of them have simillar effects but different cooldowns
Holy trinity
So they basically want Everquest 1 with upgraded graphics
And then there are the "true sandbox" people. Even though the land and the buildings can be shaped by players, and the quests are created by the emergent AI and procedural generated landscape, so you cant go look up what to do much of the time.
Baiscally they want us to go back in time 15 years with everything.
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Speculation, odd preconceptions and knee-jerk reaction to change caused the backlash. That's why it only exists in very tiny pockets of jaded bitter vets. The rest of the world is happy about EQN and looking forward to it.
I didn't vote because the poll is based on the false premises that 1) there was only news about Landmark and that 2) landmark is undesirable.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Agree
Your poll basically allows me to share your opinion or share your opinion. Where is "I think the backlash was generated by children throwing fits and haters hating to hate."
Seriously, everything they have said about the game leaves nothing to hate REALLY... people are just making assumptions about the gaps and then either raging or or against the title. Landmark will guarantee we have a scope and scale of diversity in the game that no other MMO can touch... but BOO EFFING HOO you'll have to wait a few more months while they are fleshing out that destructible seamless voxel world for you.
Learn some patience, settle your ponies down, and learn how to make polls.
Answer this poll:
A. Reicht is better than everyone because of his hair and eyes.
B. Reicht is better than everyone for reasons that do not include his hair and eyes.
Pick one.
Yeah, pretty much that. Poll failure.
Harsh, But True.
When the game was announced, little teaser tidbits were thrown out to get people hyped up on the New EQ, EVERYONE started taking the pieces and elaborating on it to what they think it means or what they want, and when announcements came out and didn't validate their predictions, people turned.
I for one had NO interest in the way people were predicting the game was going to be like and Hated all the Hype, and decided I hated the Game. After the announcements about the game TRUELY came out, Now I WANT to play it.
That's Just my Opinion.
Need to add more options to this poll.
I don't really see that many people that have concerns about Landmark.
The concerns most commonly expressed about EQN seem to be: character models, limited number of skills, lack of traditional combat roles, use of action combat.
Most people seem to be excited or intrigued by the new stuff EQN is doing - including Landmark. People are just concerned that EQN is taking existing elements from what they perceive to be wrong sources. (i.e. That EQN is copying more from GW2, TSW, WoW than from EQ, EQ2, Vanguard)
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
I don't really understand the concept... Landmark is basicly an option to take part in something before the EQN beta starts. How exactly would that cause a backlash.... from people actually interested in the game.
They could have just announced some of the features of EQN and said... beta will start soon(tm) and left it at that. It would have been better?
Can't say I feel any backlash, and certainly Landmark really has no impact on my opinion, neat feature for those looking for something like that, but I'm not much interested.
I'm more interested in the PVP/player conflict model, that will determine whether or not I play it.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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My favorite part is how option one says people were expecting something from a completely unannounced surprise game.
This thread is dumb.
Exactly. The OP must work in politics because his poll is the very definition of a 'push-poll', a poll that states a premise (often false), and then asks one to vote based on the leading statements of the poll.
There is no 'backlash' against EQN. If anything, it's more of a backfart. A few nostalgianistas are mad, and they'll try their hardest to make sure you're mad too.
I wasnt even aware that landmark was being talked about let alone it affecting EQN negatively.
My concerns with EQN are mostly graphics related, i really don't like the art style used on the toons, its horrid. And i have yet to play any 'action' game that impressed me, the last one was Neverwinter, and the 'meh' factor is pretty high there. Im also concerned about the character classes, and how limited the abilities may prove to be, my favourite Everquest characters were monk and enchanter so im more than a little worried about the GW2 abilities focus.
But Landmark? not even on the radar.
Backlash? People haven't mentioned SOE without the words fuck off proceeding it in over a decade. People are actually talking about one of their games. All they did was hint at possible virtual world gameplay somewhere in eqn and forgiveness was granted for a history drowning in customer dissatisfaction and blame for the current state of mmo's.
Backlash would be silence. If EQN turns out to be another themed turd, you will see backlash and SOE will be done with pc gamers for good. Which might be the plan.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
World of minecraft would be more popular than WOW.
The kids adore minecraft and so do adults. Minecraft is too good of a game to be bent over by mmo devs. they'd more than likely remove everything that's awesome about minecraft and replace it with quests and lfg tool. then add gear based raiding endgame while they remove the ability to build stuff. Blame the customers for failing then get hired as an expert somewhere to destroy another IP while losing money. ]
I bet most people wouldn't even be surprised. The usual people would defend the same design decisions claiming minecraft was too niche. That one dude would be like I play games to be entertained, building stuff isn't entertaining that's why the free games I freeload in dont add building.
EQN should be so lucky to be mentioned in the same sentence as minecraft.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Is this poll stupid because of its lack of choices
or is this poll stupid because of other reasons besides its lack of choices?
on further note
By the way
Is this picture such an amazing display of graphics in an MMO because of the model definition
Or does this represent the best MMO graphics because of the light used in landscape?
I would say 99.9% has not been seen yet. Even after reviews are out, we need to play the game for ourself to fully see the game
Fix the poll to give an option where I don't agree with you. I don't see a backlash except by a few people complaining about art style, and that was a fight they were going to have no matter what they did. Overall, I think the reception to EQN and Landmark have been pretty good.
There are a few old schoolers who want
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300 skills, where most of them have simillar effects but different cooldowns
Holy trinity
So they basically want Everquest 1 with upgraded graphics
And then there are the "true sandbox" people. Even though the land and the buildings can be shaped by players, and the quests are created by the emergent AI and procedural generated landscape, so you cant go look up what to do much of the time.
Baiscally they want us to go back in time 15 years with everything.