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Does this game get better and change?

SendenSenden Member UncommonPosts: 602
I'm only level 4 which is obviously not the best level to judge an MMO but so far my experience hasn't really been that fun. The quests are really boring, the quest texts are just as. I was hoping to get into this game as I was hoping for an experience a FF fan would appreciate. Do the sell someone's wedding ring to pay off his debts quests improve to something of more substance? I was hoping for a more story based game with numerous nods to FF fans.. not a Japanese designed theme park MMO.  I'm going to keep going and give it more time but less than optimistic at this stage. 
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  • Fly666monkeyFly666monkey Member UncommonPosts: 161

    If a game doesn't have you hooked from the very start, then the game has failed on a fundamental level. If you're not having fun, then don't bother slogging through the game to get to the "Good Part". It's not worth it.

  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,373
    The game changes a lot after 15.  The story also begins for you at your level 5 quest.  I would say you give it a bit more time.
  • SendenSenden Member UncommonPosts: 602
    Originally posted by Fly666monkey

    If a game doesn't have you hooked from the very start, then the game has failed on a fundamental level. If you're not having fun, then don't bother slogging through the game to get to the "Good Part". It's not worth it.

    While I agree in principle, MMOs in general have a tendency to start you off slow and slowly introduce you to good stuff.  Seeing how so many people seem to be singing this game's praises, I'm assuming it gets better, I just want to make sure it gets better in the right ways and isn't just another typical theme park MMO  where you boringly slog away at gather/kill quests all the way to max level. 

  • BigmamajamaBigmamajama Member Posts: 198

    Don't worry at level 20 the game changes into the GW2 login screen so you should be all set.   But until then you will just have to settle for Final Fantasy series gameplay.......

    Seriously, it sounds like the game may not be your cup of tea if you don't like the pacing, story, combat, graphics, atmosphere it seems pretty true to the FF style of gameplay.

  • ariboersmaariboersma Member Posts: 1,802

    IMO the game is not a game that will last most people a very long time but it is probably worth its pricetag, I played in beta to about 15 and I enjoyed it but it was sort of a fleeting enjoyment.. when the next beta came around I wasn't interested in playing again. Even with this I almost bought it and if I wasnt in a weird spot right now being pregnant and not gaming much at all I definitely would have still bought it for the story and basic experience. In the end I would say stick with it for now and if by 15-20 you still arent liking it then pass. I find a lot of MMOs aren't exactly "fun" at lvl 4 because you are too busy learning the games nuances (most of the time intentionally.. tutorialtype stuff) to be able to enjoy it. Also.. when you can pick a new err hmm job? i forget the correct term for FFI but your second class.. do it and make sure you save all your old gear!! If you want to play a different armor type for your second class you can choose that quest reward.. example you have lvl 9 pants but another quest offers lvl 9 pants.. choose the other armor type for later.

    sorry i sort of rambled but I dunno, its good advice.

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  • ZenTaoYingYangZenTaoYingYang Member Posts: 354

    Sadly from Lv1 to Lv15 is considered a beginner tutorial , that was what the dev said. I personally feel its too long before experiencing the game, and to be honest even all the way up to lv25 is considered also easy and doll.

     

    they did that to make it easy for people who are new MMO so they introduce them slowly to every element of the game. for veteran MMO though it is quite boring. my personal opinion they over did it, they can finish everything within 10 levels

  • vidiotkingvidiotking Member Posts: 587
    Originally posted by Fly666monkey

    If a game doesn't have you hooked from the very start, then the game has failed on a fundamental level. If you're not having fun, then don't bother slogging through the game to get to the "Good Part". It's not worth it.

    I agree, that if a game doesn't have you hooked from the very start, the the game has failed on a fundamental level. But that's just one aspect. First impressions are very important, but they're not everything.

    I don't judge an mmo by the merits of its tutorial. FFXIV tutorial is very bland. Questing sems bland.

    Some of my first impressions were pretty good though. I love the graphics. Tell the truth, I'm a bit of a graphics wh*re. This game delivers on that front. The character creator was above average. That left a good first impression.

    It's not all bad... and when the mobs get bigger and badder, I'm sure ( I hope ) it will get 'better'.

  • XatshXatsh Member RarePosts: 451

    The game continously adds new elements about every 5 levels all the way until level 30 as far as know now... it could add more as we keep leveling.

    at level 4 you have not unlocked anything and are stuck with nothing but starter quest basically. So what you see honestly is not the game outside the quest part. Sorta stupid design, but it is impossible to judge the game before level 20 honestly.

    1) Leveling Quest (100s and 100s of Oldschool WoW style quest), Fate (Hundreds of them), Class Quest (every 5 levels)

    5) Hunting Logs (new log every 10 levels)

    10) Ability to Change Classes, mix and match abilities, Leves (every 5 levels), Guildhest ( new every 5 levels), Inn Room (not really content but you get it)

    15) Ability to travel to other Nations, Dungeon unlock (About every 5 levels)

    20) Ability to join Grand Company (Do not think you can in phase 4) which includes Free company leves (every 5 levels), item turn in for points which can be used to get rewards from the GC vendors. Ability to get your own chocobo.

    25) Outside more from below nothing new unless I forgot something.

    30) Access to PvP

    35+)? no one knows until launch.

    more or less for the first half of the game it continously adds more and more content. The battle speed increases. Grouping begins to become more common. If a non-action mmo battle system is game breaking then yea probably should quit not the mmo for you. If you liked the WoW style you should continue to play until around level 20 then make your judgement, quit before that and you probally risk missing out on something you would of enjoyed.

  • Mr.ZerooneMr.Zeroone Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Bigmamajama

    Don't worry at level 20 the game changes into the GW2 login screen so you should be all set.   But until then you will just have to settle for Final Fantasy series gameplay.......

    Seriously, it sounds like the game may not be your cup of tea if you don't like the pacing, story, combat, graphics, atmosphere it seems pretty true to the FF style of gameplay.

    Briliant :)

     

    To OP:

    My two cents is... Come on! Lvl 4 and you are so disappointed? I tought you will quit at the intro... but you couldn't because the escape key doesn't work :)

    Honestly, I have preordered this game after betas. This was the first time when I faced to the FF series. Classical, old school combat style... but if you sum all things together you will see effect of synergy and booom! You'll pleased by the game.... As I am constantly. 

  • vidiotkingvidiotking Member Posts: 587
    GW2 was not very good, imo. Why doesn't everyone use TERA as an example. I liked TERA way more than GW2.
  • SendenSenden Member UncommonPosts: 602
    Originally posted by ZeroOne.TheDreamer
    Originally posted by Bigmamajama

    Don't worry at level 20 the game changes into the GW2 login screen so you should be all set.   But until then you will just have to settle for Final Fantasy series gameplay.......

    Seriously, it sounds like the game may not be your cup of tea if you don't like the pacing, story, combat, graphics, atmosphere it seems pretty true to the FF style of gameplay.

    Briliant :)

     

    To OP:

    My two cents is... Come on! Lvl 4 and you are so disappointed? I tought you will quit at the intro... but you couldn't because the escape key doesn't work :)

     

    That's not really fair.. the quest text alone early on is enough of a reason to be disappointed. I don't expect to be seeing epic fights early on but I expect certain standards from the get go. 

     

    Thanks to everyone else who replied, I'll keep going until at least level 20 and see how I get on. 

  • ariboersmaariboersma Member Posts: 1,802
    Originally posted by vidiotking
    GW2 was not very good, imo. Why doesn't everyone use TERA as an example. I liked TERA way more than GW2.

    Tera is a grindfest and the combat is horrible? Beautiful only gets you so far. GW2 was a great game until max lvl and I didnt play it much after but I feel I got my money's worth. Sort of like any big name single player game =P

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  • ariboersmaariboersma Member Posts: 1,802
    Originally posted by Xatsh

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    30) Access to PvP

    35+)? no one knows until launch.

    more or less for the first half of the game it continously adds more and more content. The battle speed increases. Grouping begins to become more common. If a non-action mmo battle system is game breaking then yea probably should quit not the mmo for you. If you liked the WoW style you should continue to play until around level 20 then make your judgement, quit before that and you probally risk missing out on something you would of enjoyed.

    job change maybe?

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  • DaemonweaverDaemonweaver Member UncommonPosts: 124

    I played all the CBTs and really did not like the game at all. I found the quests dull and the reems upon reems of quest text with vids u cant tab through soo dull. In fact I can safely say I thought game sucked big time and only played a grand total of about 12 or so hours in total through all the CBts just because it was so boring.

    However I am currently still a bit in between games while I wait for the next MMO releases so I thought OBT what the hell may as well dive in for a few hours and maybe try a different class. Man am I glad I did, I am having a blast, still finding there to be way too much quest txt but I am getting into the story and finding the class system and swapping between classes etc very interesting (looking forward to getting my Job sorted). Game was still dull at first but it is growing on me so much so that I have now bought the collectors edition, just so I can see if it carries on improving.

    So to sum up I can say the game is nothing amazing but it does get better and for some like me it grows on you and you may find it is at least worth a months gameplay, more than that I cant say.

  • KabaalKabaal Member UncommonPosts: 3,042
    There's always a flips side, look at AoC with it's excellent tutorial with Tortage... then it went downhill for the leveling part.
  • vidiotkingvidiotking Member Posts: 587
    Originally posted by ariboersma
    Originally posted by vidiotking
    GW2 was not very good, imo. Why doesn't everyone use TERA as an example. I liked TERA way more than GW2.

    Tera is a grindfest and the combat is horrible? Beautiful only gets you so far. GW2 was a great game until max lvl and I didnt play it much after but I feel I got my money's worth. Sort of like any big name single player game =P

    "That's why they make chocolate and vanilla icecream" - My Dad.

  • DraemosDraemos Member UncommonPosts: 1,521
    Originally posted by ariboersma
    Originally posted by vidiotking
    GW2 was not very good, imo. Why doesn't everyone use TERA as an example. I liked TERA way more than GW2.

    Tera is a grindfest and the combat is horrible? Beautiful only gets you so far. GW2 was a great game until max lvl and I didnt play it much after but I feel I got my money's worth. Sort of like any big name single player game =P

    Anyone that pretends like Tera has horrible combat automatically loses all remaining arguments on account of having terrible taste.

  • DraemosDraemos Member UncommonPosts: 1,521
    Originally posted by Senden
    I'm only level 4 which is obviously not the best level to judge an MMO but so far my experience hasn't really been that fun. The quests are really boring, the quest texts are just as. I was hoping to get into this game as I was hoping for an experience a FF fan would appreciate. Do the sell someone's wedding ring to pay off his debts quests improve to something of more substance? I was hoping for a more story based game with numerous nods to FF fans.. not a Japanese designed theme park MMO.  I'm going to keep going and give it more time but less than optimistic at this stage. 

    The game grows on you.  The combat gets a bit better, and you open up more stuff to do as you level.  Saving grace of the game is its dungeons in my opinion.  Sadly someone stupidly had the idea it would be a good idea to further reduce light party sizes to 4 players... So good luck queuing as DPS.

  • RaxeonRaxeon Member UncommonPosts: 2,288
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by Senden
    I'm only level 4 which is obviously not the best level to judge an MMO but so far my experience hasn't really been that fun. The quests are really boring, the quest texts are just as. I was hoping to get into this game as I was hoping for an experience a FF fan would appreciate. Do the sell someone's wedding ring to pay off his debts quests improve to something of more substance? I was hoping for a more story based game with numerous nods to FF fans.. not a Japanese designed theme park MMO.  I'm going to keep going and give it more time but less than optimistic at this stage. 

    The game grows on you.  The combat gets a bit better, and you open up more stuff to do as you level.  Saving grace of the game is its dungeons in my opinion.  Sadly someone stupidly had the idea it would be a good idea to further reduce light party sizes to 4 players... So good luck queuing as DPS.

    should get a bit better after people can switch to scholar but they def needed another healer class but you could also thought aparty together your self

  • DignaDigna Member UncommonPosts: 1,994

    A lot of folks aren't going to like ARR. It does tend to be a bit repetative. I found levels 6-15 pretty dull (CBTs) overall but I am glad I decided to come back. Once I moved past the level 15 starting areas and went off to the 2nd city it got interesting again.

     

    Lots of FATEs with a lot of people chipping in (over time how that will work out...not so sure) and generally having a good time. More people, more chaos more fun.

     

    Overall I am going to give it a serious run for a month or so. I won't regret the time or the money if it doesn't keep on for me but at least for now I am glad I returned.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Fly666monkey

    If a game doesn't have you hooked from the very start, then the game has failed on a fundamental level. If you're not having fun, then don't bother slogging through the game to get to the "Good Part". It's not worth it.

    I could not disagree more. EVE, and Wushu have two of the most boring starts you ever will see. The beauty of well built games is they get deeper, more immersing, and better as you play. These are games with staying power, games you play for years. Lately we've been given games that don't get anymore exciting than the first hour. 

     

    That being said, if the game is a carbon copy of the the traditional themepark, 10 minutes may be enough. 

  • bizoux86bizoux86 Member UncommonPosts: 85
    I am still a bit on the fence for this game, initially I tried beta and really liked it - then the second and third weekends came and I found myself a little bored. I am just worried that the entire game will feel very linear, the invisible walls all over the place make the world seem restrictive.... I really want to play a lore-oriented game with great housing and pvp, I am crossing my fingers that this is it but still not sure... Anyone know if the housing is going to be interactive? Not like Rifts where you go stnd in your creation and can't even interact with the chairs and such.   And do the invisible walls stay around everywhere beyond the early level tutorials?
  • vidiotkingvidiotking Member Posts: 587
    Originally posted by bizoux86
    I am still a bit on the fence for this game, initially I tried beta and really liked it - then the second and third weekends came and I found myself a little bored. I am just worried that the entire game will feel very linear, the invisible walls all over the place make the world seem restrictive.... I really want to play a lore-oriented game with great housing and pvp, I am crossing my fingers that this is it but still not sure... Anyone know if the housing is going to be interactive? Not like Rifts where you go stnd in your creation and can't even interact with the chairs and such.   And do the invisible walls stay around everywhere beyond the early level tutorials?

    I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure you can sit on the furniture, and that you can craft furniture as well.

  • bizoux86bizoux86 Member UncommonPosts: 85
    Originally posted by vidiotking
    Originally posted by bizoux86
    I am still a bit on the fence for this game, initially I tried beta and really liked it - then the second and third weekends came and I found myself a little bored. I am just worried that the entire game will feel very linear, the invisible walls all over the place make the world seem restrictive.... I really want to play a lore-oriented game with great housing and pvp, I am crossing my fingers that this is it but still not sure... Anyone know if the housing is going to be interactive? Not like Rifts where you go stnd in your creation and can't even interact with the chairs and such.   And do the invisible walls stay around everywhere beyond the early level tutorials?

    I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure you can sit on the furniture, and that you can craft furniture as well.

    That's good to know!

  • TorcipTorcip Member UncommonPosts: 669
    If anyone has played FF13 and remember how long that tutorial was, so long that you didn't even know you were palying a tutorial and once you got past it teh game became magically more awesome.  Well they pretty much did that in MMO form, not the best idea but there are a lot of systems at work in this game and they needed to ease people in who probably have never played an MMO in their life (the ps3 crowd).
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