If they had any business sense they would have released this game as Buy to Play. They are targeting the console player market as their primary, a venue where no one will pay yet another fee on top of their live / stations charges and everything else just for multiplayer features they supposedly "already pay for." If this game were only set for PC release I might understand it, tack a sub fee onto the download / store box price in order to milk launch buyers for as much money as possible and go free to play after the herd moves on to the next big thing in four months. But based on modern trends we have all argued over for the past year I expect a very slow launch compared to what they hope for and some fan resentment inbound from console players in particular. There is potential here for them to damage the Elder Scroll brand name in a worse way than SWTOR managed.
After reading through these posts it sounds like its only a deal breaker for people who are broke, or people that don't spend money on games even though they aren't broke.
After reading through these posts it sounds like its only a deal breaker for people who are broke, or people that don't spend money on games even though they aren't broke.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
You can't afford fifty-cents a day? C'mon. This is some counter spam with a trolling edge. I don't know a freshman college kid from a third world country that can't cover $15.00 a month in 2013. Then again, I guess it's prioritizing. For a poor person (and I speak from personal experience)...that $15.00 a month is a wonderful way of getting my mind off the fact that I can't afford to go out to the movies, or buy a lot of the things that most people take for granted, i.e., clothes. I don't eat out, either, though my wife and I do have a $5.00 Monday night pizza night which is cool.
Perhaps our Emperor won't be "Tr``o´´ll``o´´lXZ0rZ" after all
True, there are "Tr``o´´ll``o´´lXZ0rZ"s in P2P games aswell but they a little less...
No, no they are not.
Listen I sub to Eve, and I think you people are drinking one too many bowls of the kool aid. Sub games keep the riff raff out? You have got to be on crack, the cheap twice baked crack fresh out of the microwave. Barrens Chat was invented in a sub game, Eve is full of crazy clowns who sit in one spot to blow up miners for no reason what so ever....Eve is full of people who log in spend a huge chunk of change go to the "Safe" zone and blow you up just because they can knowing it is a suicide run.....keeps the crazy names out?! WTF fantasy land sub game did you just come from? I have a sub to dark fall unholy war ticking away somewhere and let me tell you that game is not all high poetry in world chat.
I played TSW when it was full sub, and SWtor and I honestly think this "Pay to play keeps the riff raff out" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You honestly believe that come on in to eve PLEASE I have some Russians I would like to introduce you to.
Why do you keep saying look at GW2 !!! Buy to Play works !!
You simply CANT call what GW2 does as content updates. Really are you serious?? GW2 right now for a person logging in TODAY is the same exact game it was 1 year go with bug fixes/balances and the equalivent to a holiday event running.
Now compare that to ANY sucessful P2P game after 1 year. EQ1, DAOC, EVE, FFXI, WOW...hell even former P2P games such as EQ2,RIFT,AOC etc.
Those games feature list were incredibly increased during that time.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
Not to be insulting, but it is only $.50 cents a day. I guess I can understand if you're unemployed and need every dime to feed yourself and kids.. but really a sub fee should be affordable by most standards for a hobby.
I like the silly people who say it's "ONLY" $0.50 a day. I work in the game industry, so no ... not unemployed. I am just not stupid enough to pay over $200 per year for 1 game. derp. Try to say ... "It's only $200+ a year" Again for 1 game.
$200 a year isn't exactly a lot if you compare it to something that is WORTH that price. What you don't understand is the WORTH is what makes something expensive or cheap.
Example: Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on fries? Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on a 3 course meal? Do you think it's expensive to spend $15 on a surround sound system?
As you can see, the item makes all the difference when it comes to prices.
Sure you are correct, $0.50 isn't a lot per day, but to me it isn't worth it for a single game.
Actually people who have jobs understand this more often then the people with out jobs who get their money from their parents. We know how much that $0.50 is worth when you add it up. When you work hard everyday, you really make sure you are spending your money on things you feel are worth it.
Though, I am not speaking for everyone. I suppose there are people around who don't care if they waste money.
Edit: Keep in mind when someone says they can't afford it, doesn't mean they literally do not have the capability to pay for it. When we talk about affording something, it is the worth/price ratio I go by. Since I don't think it's worth that price, it is going to require me to have more money to look passed it.
Example: If you have $10, you can buy a candy bar. However, you ONLY have $10, is it worth it to buy a candy bar or should you save that money for something that is actually worth it? When you come to that conclusion, you automaticlaly say you can't afford the candy bar. You need the $10 for other things.
Now if you have $100 ... chances are .. you would begin to consider buying the candy bar because you have more money to spare.
It's pretty sad I felt the need to explain that >.>. This is something kids can usually figure out by themselves.
To me, the biggest decider if I will play beyond the first month, is wheter or not the game feels like it has the content to keep me engrossed/entertained as much as I want (lets say a few hours a day), or wheter or not it will start to feel trivial/boring as you get close to level cap and end game.
If the game cannot keep me entertained as I need/would like it to (considering the monthly fee), I prob wont sub very long, as I would rather go for lower entrance barrier games (f2p or b2p with cash shop), where I am more in control of how the money is spent.
I think the wider spread of f2p/b2p has meant that you expect more of a game if you are required to pay for it monthly, so it will have to live up to that premise.
Now bring on launch, so we can all see what the game plays like
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
Not to be insulting, but it is only $.50 cents a day. I guess I can understand if you're unemployed and need every dime to feed yourself and kids.. but really a sub fee should be affordable by most standards for a hobby.
I like the silly people who say it's "ONLY" $0.50 a day. I work in the game industry, so no ... not unemployed. I am just not stupid enough to pay over $200 per year for 1 game. derp. Try to say ... "It's only $200+ a year" Again for 1 game.
$200 a year isn't exactly a lot if you compare it to something that is WORTH that price. What you don't understand is the WORTH is what makes something expensive or cheap.
Example: Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on fries? Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on a 3 course meal? Do you think it's expensive to spend $15 on a surround sound system?
As you can see, the item makes all the difference when it comes to prices.
Sure you are correct, $0.50 isn't a lot per day, but to me it isn't worth it for a single game.
Actually people who have jobs understand this more often then the people with out jobs who get their money from their parents. We know how much that $0.50 is worth when you add it up. When you work hard everyday, you really make sure you are spending your money on things you feel are worth it.
Though, I am not speaking for everyone. I suppose there are people around who don't care if they waste money.
Edit: Keep in mind when someone says they can't afford it, doesn't mean they literally do not have the capability to pay for it. When we talk about affording something, it is the worth/price ratio I go by. Since I don't think it's worth that price, it is going to require me to have more money to look passed it.
Example: If you have $10, you can buy a candy bar. However, you ONLY have $10, is it worth it to buy a candy bar or should you save that money for something that is actually worth it? When you come to that conclusion, you automaticlaly say you can't afford the candy bar. You need the $10 for other things.
Now if you have $100 ... chances are .. you would begin to consider buying the candy bar because you have more money to spare.
It's pretty sad I felt the need to explain that >.>. This is something kids can usually figure out by themselves.
The whole reason why the American economy went down was because people didn't want to spend money :P.
I work hard to earn money so I can buy luxuries like games. What the whole reason of having a job if you cannot spend the money you make on things that makes you happy? Also, buying single player games that last you for maybe 10 to 20 hours tops would end up costing you a lot more than paying a steady $15 fee to get the same amount of hours of play per year. And another thing why would I want to play a F2P or B2P MMO and spend money just so freeloaders could play and end up calling me a whale? I already pay taxes and why should I pay more so others could play for free?
All you have to do is budget your money and you are good to go.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
Not to be insulting, but it is only $.50 cents a day. I guess I can understand if you're unemployed and need every dime to feed yourself and kids.. but really a sub fee should be affordable by most standards for a hobby.
I like the silly people who say it's "ONLY" $0.50 a day. I work in the game industry, so no ... not unemployed. I am just not stupid enough to pay over $200 per year for 1 game. derp. Try to say ... "It's only $200+ a year" Again for 1 game.
$200 a year isn't exactly a lot if you compare it to something that is WORTH that price. What you don't understand is the WORTH is what makes something expensive or cheap.
Example: Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on fries? Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on a 3 course meal? Do you think it's expensive to spend $15 on a surround sound system?
As you can see, the item makes all the difference when it comes to prices.
Sure you are correct, $0.50 isn't a lot per day, but to me it isn't worth it for a single game.
Actually people who have jobs understand this more often then the people with out jobs who get their money from their parents. We know how much that $0.50 is worth when you add it up. When you work hard everyday, you really make sure you are spending your money on things you feel are worth it.
Though, I am not speaking for everyone. I suppose there are people around who don't care if they waste money.
Edit: Keep in mind when someone says they can't afford it, doesn't mean they literally do not have the capability to pay for it. When we talk about affording something, it is the worth/price ratio I go by. Since I don't think it's worth that price, it is going to require me to have more money to look passed it.
Example: If you have $10, you can buy a candy bar. However, you ONLY have $10, is it worth it to buy a candy bar or should you save that money for something that is actually worth it? When you come to that conclusion, you automaticlaly say you can't afford the candy bar. You need the $10 for other things.
Now if you have $100 ... chances are .. you would begin to consider buying the candy bar because you have more money to spare.
It's pretty sad I felt the need to explain that >.>. This is something kids can usually figure out by themselves.
The whole reason why the American economy went down was because people didn't want to spend money :P.
I work hard to earn money so I can buy luxuries like games. What the whole reason of having a job if you cannot spend the money you make on things that makes you happy? Also, buying single player games that last you for maybe 10 to 20 hours tops would end up costing you a lot more than paying a steady $15 fee to get the same amount of hours of play per year. And another thing why would I want to play a F2P or B2P MMO and spend money just so freeloaders could play and end up calling me a whale? I already pay taxes and why should I pay more so others could play for free?
All you have to do is budget your money and you are good to go.
If you really think that is the reason the economy went down, then you really need to learn a heck of a lot more about economics and what really happened. -.- THAT is why the economy went down, because of people who have no clue apparently. So glad I don't live there >.>
You also don't seem to know math.
1. You assume all single player games cost $60, but sorry I use steam, I get my games cheaper.
2. You assume you will only play 10 to 20 hours, and you will only play the game 1 time.
3. You forget ESO will probably have $60 price tag, and then you need to add on top of that the $15 per month after the first free month.
4. You forgot, it will cost you extra if you want to play on a console.
5. B2P doesn't have freeloaders because the game isn't free. Every person playing would have had to at least buy the game.
6. You assume everyone can play ESO the same amount of time each month.
7. You assume it will be good enough to be worth the cost and be better then single player games.
8. You mention F2P, when no one is even asking for that.
9. Even if it was F2P, no one forces you to pay anything. So it isn't even comparable to taxes.
10. Budgeting your money doesn't give you more money all of a sudden. This requires you to take money away from something else. Which means again, you have to assume it's worth to do so.
11. Also people tend to work hard so they can live a good life and afford the things THEY want and feel are WORTH the price. Again ESO isn't WORTH $200+ per year in my opinion.
12. You forget, once you stop paying the $15, it's pretty much like you never purchased the game anymore. At least with single player games and B2P games, I can pick it back up anytime and play it.
Sadly you failed at every single point in your entire paragraph. I mean really, again, shocked I even had to explain all this. -.- Who are you even trying to convince? Me? If so, you are going to have to do a whole lot better then pretty much make things up or say things that make no sense.
Originally posted by Remyi It's a deal breaker for me, personally. I already play one subscription based game, and I feel that I have to put in a lot of hours to even justify that. Sure, $14.99 isn't much.. but you have to account for all other monthly subscriptions you have, like Spotify, DirecTV, and Sirius Radio.
what the heck? you pay for a lot of stuff..
I just pay for internet and nothing else. tv is useless and radio still exists?
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I was watching ESO closely, then I read somewhere it was going to be F2P, so I stoped paying attention to it, now they say its going to be a subscription game...time to start paying attention to this game again.
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC No game in the world is worth $240 a year. End of story.
you've been playing the wrong games. 2 days of work for 365 ays of entertainment is well worth it for me.
Problem with that excuse is you don't actually play 365 days a year unless you really got nothing to do at all.
The other issue with that is you can obtain just as much entertainment for a lot cheaper.
It isn't that we are playing the wrong games, it's just we value things differently. To us, it's not worth it.
The last issue is, not everyone makes the same amount of money, and not everyone has the same bills. Not everyone has the same amount of time.
i averaged 6 hours/day in WoW across my first 4 years in that game. I'd say that's a good ammount of entertainment.
and yes, we can entertain ourselves cheaper, (right hand) and we value things differently (some prefer the left hand) but your real life should not be an excuse in-game. The life card is overplayed.
It's not overplayed .. it's just fact XD
Not everyone can play the game with the same amount of time. You averaged 6 hours a day in WoW ... good for you. Not everyone does that. Some people work longer then others. Some people are part of other activities that prevent them from playing that long. Some people have other hobbies as well. It's called life. And no matter how much the card is played, that is because it's true and nothing will change that.
I have Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. If I shell out 80 bucks, I can get the super duper collection box with the other two games and all the DLC that came with the newer. Then I can get mods that can give me years of content to play. I didn't like ESO because if I wanted to play an elderscrolls game i'll play those, not an MMO with and ElderScrolls sticker slapped on it.
Pay to play doesnt bother me one bit. The game just doesnt look super great so far from what I've seen and heard from beta. I despise cash shops and that's what this game would become if it was F2P and that would really ruin it. I hate people who want everything to be free. I really do. Don't play then and move on and find someone other welfare game to play. If they had any sense they would know that cash shop games cost way more overall than p2p does. If you can't afford 15 bucks a month for a sub, then maybe you shouldnt be playing video games anyway cause they are expensive in the first place. Maybe you should worry more then about food, gas, clothes and other essentials and less about games?
Originally posted by waveslayer I was watching ESO closely, then I read somewhere it was going to be F2P, so I stoped paying attention to it, now they say its going to be a subscription game...time to start paying attention to this game again.
That's what happened to me.
Actually I wasn't interested until I heard about the AvAvA, then I got all excited.
Then I heard it was going F2P, and I got all bummed out.
Originally posted by OniDaimyo77 Pay to play doesnt bother me one bit. The game just doesnt look super great so far from what I've seen and heard from beta. I despise cash shops and that's what this game would become if it was F2P and that would really ruin it. I hate people who want everything to be free. I really do. Don't play then and move on and find someone other welfare game to play. If they had any sense they would know that cash shop games cost way more overall than p2p does. If you can't afford 15 bucks a month for a sub, then maybe you shouldnt be playing video games anyway cause they are expensive in the first place. Maybe you should worry more then about food, gas, clothes and other essentials and less about games?
You sir have no clue what you are talking about. $15 isn't cheap when you add it up for 1 - 3 years of playing the game.
I try not to call anyone names on here and such. I really try but I don't know what else to call this excuse other then stupid.
It's a shame people like you have to make such non sense comments on the net all the time. No one is saying they can't literally afford $15 a month. However, we are more along the lines saying we can't afford it for what it's worth.
Let me ask you this, can you pay $15 a french fry? Yes 1 french fry. Chances are, you can say YES ... you can pay for it. However, would you? NO .. because you can't afford to pay $15 per french fry. It's just a crazy price.
Before you jump on me, keep in mind YOU are the one who called them welfare games. YOU are the one who acts like, people who do not want to pay $15 a month, are some how poor. YOU are the one who is trolling. YOU are the one mentioning F2P when NO ONE is really recommending that.
After reading through these posts it sounds like its only a deal breaker for people who are broke, or people that don't spend money on games even though they aren't broke.
Originally posted by Searias Originally posted by Bigmamajama After reading through these posts it sounds like its only a deal breaker for people who are broke, or people that don't spend money on games even though they aren't broke.So ESO just weeded out a bunch of freeloaders.
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Don't worry they will just play the game half a year later for free and laugh about guys like you.....
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P2P? Love it!
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True, there are "Tr``o´´ll``o´´lXZ0rZ"s in P2P games aswell but they a little less...
If they had any business sense they would have released this game as Buy to Play. They are targeting the console player market as their primary, a venue where no one will pay yet another fee on top of their live / stations charges and everything else just for multiplayer features they supposedly "already pay for." If this game were only set for PC release I might understand it, tack a sub fee onto the download / store box price in order to milk launch buyers for as much money as possible and go free to play after the herd moves on to the next big thing in four months. But based on modern trends we have all argued over for the past year I expect a very slow launch compared to what they hope for and some fan resentment inbound from console players in particular. There is potential here for them to damage the Elder Scroll brand name in a worse way than SWTOR managed.
After reading through these posts it sounds like its only a deal breaker for people who are broke, or people that don't spend money on games even though they aren't broke.
So ESO just weeded out a bunch of freeloaders.
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You can't afford fifty-cents a day? C'mon. This is some counter spam with a trolling edge. I don't know a freshman college kid from a third world country that can't cover $15.00 a month in 2013. Then again, I guess it's prioritizing. For a poor person (and I speak from personal experience)...that $15.00 a month is a wonderful way of getting my mind off the fact that I can't afford to go out to the movies, or buy a lot of the things that most people take for granted, i.e., clothes. I don't eat out, either, though my wife and I do have a $5.00 Monday night pizza night which is cool.
This here is just trolling.
No, no they are not.
Listen I sub to Eve, and I think you people are drinking one too many bowls of the kool aid. Sub games keep the riff raff out? You have got to be on crack, the cheap twice baked crack fresh out of the microwave. Barrens Chat was invented in a sub game, Eve is full of crazy clowns who sit in one spot to blow up miners for no reason what so ever....Eve is full of people who log in spend a huge chunk of change go to the "Safe" zone and blow you up just because they can knowing it is a suicide run.....keeps the crazy names out?! WTF fantasy land sub game did you just come from? I have a sub to dark fall unholy war ticking away somewhere and let me tell you that game is not all high poetry in world chat.
I played TSW when it was full sub, and SWtor and I honestly think this "Pay to play keeps the riff raff out" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You honestly believe that come on in to eve PLEASE I have some Russians I would like to introduce you to.
Why do you keep saying look at GW2 !!! Buy to Play works !!
You simply CANT call what GW2 does as content updates. Really are you serious?? GW2 right now for a person logging in TODAY is the same exact game it was 1 year go with bug fixes/balances and the equalivent to a holiday event running.
Now compare that to ANY sucessful P2P game after 1 year. EQ1, DAOC, EVE, FFXI, WOW...hell even former P2P games such as EQ2,RIFT,AOC etc.
Those games feature list were incredibly increased during that time.
Its not even CLOSE.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I like the silly people who say it's "ONLY" $0.50 a day. I work in the game industry, so no ... not unemployed. I am just not stupid enough to pay over $200 per year for 1 game. derp. Try to say ... "It's only $200+ a year" Again for 1 game.
$200 a year isn't exactly a lot if you compare it to something that is WORTH that price. What you don't understand is the WORTH is what makes something expensive or cheap.
Example: Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on fries? Do you think it's cheap or expensive to spend $15 on a 3 course meal? Do you think it's expensive to spend $15 on a surround sound system?
As you can see, the item makes all the difference when it comes to prices.
Sure you are correct, $0.50 isn't a lot per day, but to me it isn't worth it for a single game.
Actually people who have jobs understand this more often then the people with out jobs who get their money from their parents. We know how much that $0.50 is worth when you add it up. When you work hard everyday, you really make sure you are spending your money on things you feel are worth it.
Though, I am not speaking for everyone. I suppose there are people around who don't care if they waste money.
Edit: Keep in mind when someone says they can't afford it, doesn't mean they literally do not have the capability to pay for it. When we talk about affording something, it is the worth/price ratio I go by. Since I don't think it's worth that price, it is going to require me to have more money to look passed it.
Example: If you have $10, you can buy a candy bar. However, you ONLY have $10, is it worth it to buy a candy bar or should you save that money for something that is actually worth it? When you come to that conclusion, you automaticlaly say you can't afford the candy bar. You need the $10 for other things.
Now if you have $100 ... chances are .. you would begin to consider buying the candy bar because you have more money to spare.
It's pretty sad I felt the need to explain that >.>. This is something kids can usually figure out by themselves.
To me, the biggest decider if I will play beyond the first month, is wheter or not the game feels like it has the content to keep me engrossed/entertained as much as I want (lets say a few hours a day), or wheter or not it will start to feel trivial/boring as you get close to level cap and end game.
If the game cannot keep me entertained as I need/would like it to (considering the monthly fee), I prob wont sub very long, as I would rather go for lower entrance barrier games (f2p or b2p with cash shop), where I am more in control of how the money is spent.
I think the wider spread of f2p/b2p has meant that you expect more of a game if you are required to pay for it monthly, so it will have to live up to that premise.
Now bring on launch, so we can all see what the game plays like
The whole reason why the American economy went down was because people didn't want to spend money :P.
I work hard to earn money so I can buy luxuries like games. What the whole reason of having a job if you cannot spend the money you make on things that makes you happy? Also, buying single player games that last you for maybe 10 to 20 hours tops would end up costing you a lot more than paying a steady $15 fee to get the same amount of hours of play per year. And another thing why would I want to play a F2P or B2P MMO and spend money just so freeloaders could play and end up calling me a whale? I already pay taxes and why should I pay more so others could play for free?
All you have to do is budget your money and you are good to go.
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If you really think that is the reason the economy went down, then you really need to learn a heck of a lot more about economics and what really happened. -.- THAT is why the economy went down, because of people who have no clue apparently. So glad I don't live there >.>
You also don't seem to know math.
1. You assume all single player games cost $60, but sorry I use steam, I get my games cheaper.
2. You assume you will only play 10 to 20 hours, and you will only play the game 1 time.
3. You forget ESO will probably have $60 price tag, and then you need to add on top of that the $15 per month after the first free month.
4. You forgot, it will cost you extra if you want to play on a console.
5. B2P doesn't have freeloaders because the game isn't free. Every person playing would have had to at least buy the game.
6. You assume everyone can play ESO the same amount of time each month.
7. You assume it will be good enough to be worth the cost and be better then single player games.
8. You mention F2P, when no one is even asking for that.
9. Even if it was F2P, no one forces you to pay anything. So it isn't even comparable to taxes.
10. Budgeting your money doesn't give you more money all of a sudden. This requires you to take money away from something else. Which means again, you have to assume it's worth to do so.
11. Also people tend to work hard so they can live a good life and afford the things THEY want and feel are WORTH the price. Again ESO isn't WORTH $200+ per year in my opinion.
12. You forget, once you stop paying the $15, it's pretty much like you never purchased the game anymore. At least with single player games and B2P games, I can pick it back up anytime and play it.
Sadly you failed at every single point in your entire paragraph. I mean really, again, shocked I even had to explain all this. -.- Who are you even trying to convince? Me? If so, you are going to have to do a whole lot better then pretty much make things up or say things that make no sense.
IMHO P2P is the right decision, it helps for a mature community. We have the Eve Online reference here.
Personally I immediately leave a game when it becomes F2P which is equal to P2W.
what the heck? you pay for a lot of stuff..
I just pay for internet and nothing else. tv is useless and radio still exists?
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Problem with that excuse is you don't actually play 365 days a year unless you really got nothing to do at all.
The other issue with that is you can obtain just as much entertainment for a lot cheaper.
It isn't that we are playing the wrong games, it's just we value things differently. To us, it's not worth it.
The last issue is, not everyone makes the same amount of money, and not everyone has the same bills. Not everyone has the same amount of time.
It's not overplayed .. it's just fact XD
Not everyone can play the game with the same amount of time. You averaged 6 hours a day in WoW ... good for you. Not everyone does that. Some people work longer then others. Some people are part of other activities that prevent them from playing that long. Some people have other hobbies as well. It's called life. And no matter how much the card is played, that is because it's true and nothing will change that.
That's what happened to me.
Actually I wasn't interested until I heard about the AvAvA, then I got all excited.
Then I heard it was going F2P, and I got all bummed out.
Now its P2P and I'm all excited again!
You sir have no clue what you are talking about. $15 isn't cheap when you add it up for 1 - 3 years of playing the game.
I try not to call anyone names on here and such. I really try but I don't know what else to call this excuse other then stupid.
It's a shame people like you have to make such non sense comments on the net all the time. No one is saying they can't literally afford $15 a month. However, we are more along the lines saying we can't afford it for what it's worth.
Let me ask you this, can you pay $15 a french fry? Yes 1 french fry. Chances are, you can say YES ... you can pay for it. However, would you? NO .. because you can't afford to pay $15 per french fry. It's just a crazy price.
Before you jump on me, keep in mind YOU are the one who called them welfare games. YOU are the one who acts like, people who do not want to pay $15 a month, are some how poor. YOU are the one who is trolling. YOU are the one mentioning F2P when NO ONE is really recommending that.
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Don't worry they will just play the game half a year later for free and laugh about guys like you.....