Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
Originally posted by Elethon Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
Originally posted by Elethon Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.
Originally posted by MMORPGtester well me and the wife were going to play this one. We have played every single one they made and loved them all. I however am not willing to pay for the game, then pay for a monthly fee tho. When there are so many free ones we can jump to and from. I guess our elder scrolls hit the last scroll.
You represent the vast majority of TES fans.
Don't worry though, you wont be missing much. The game makes a bad TES game almost as much as it is making a bad MMO. They put too much money into the voice-overs...should have used it for someone that can write worth a damn...or at least made the combat close to half what it was in Skyrim...or include half the depth of skills in Oblivion or Marrowind...maybe to get rid of some of those invisible walls or make the graphics look like something made in the last 6 years.
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Originally posted by Elethon Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.
Ya .. that is how I see it. Just about 70% of the comments I have read around the web involve not buying the game now XD or free to play in a few months to a year.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
^This.
I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all the games that were p2p that have gone f2p or are just gone. Only 2 have remained p2p, and if recent history tells me anything, it tells me that ESO, Wildstar, and FFXIV will drop their subscription fees and either go f2p or b2p within months of release.
They went F2P because they were disasters!
TERA, Rift, TSW, SWTOR... all of them disasters and would be gone if it wasn't for F2P. But even that is not helping SWTOR, which is considering closing its doors.
Aion it hot in the east, but not in the west. If it hadn't gone F2P, that game would be gone too.
While games like DAOC and EVE are still going strong after years, and still with a sub.
Quality games are worth the monthly sub, and it keeps a lot of trashy players out.
Originally posted by Elethon Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.
Ya .. that is how I see it. Just about 70% of the comments I have read around the web involve not buying the game now XD or free to play in a few months to a year.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
lol... never going to happen.
And from what I have read around the web, its about 50-50.
If TESO delivers a solid product, those who cried about the sub, will find a way to pay.
Originally posted by MMORPGtester well me and the wife were going to play this one. We have played every single one they made and loved them all. I however am not willing to pay for the game, then pay for a monthly fee tho. When there are so many free ones we can jump to and from. I guess our elder scrolls hit the last scroll.
You represent the vast majority of TES fans.
Don't worry though, you wont be missing much. The game makes a bad TES game almost as much as it is making a bad MMO. They put too much money into the voice-overs...should have used it for someone that can write worth a damn...or at least made the combat close to half what it was in Skyrim...or include half the depth of skills in Oblivion or Marrowind...maybe to get rid of some of those invisible walls or make the graphics look like something made in the last 6 years.
if they offer a trial and or perhaps an open beta for users to see what they will be getting, and it lives to par. Still may give it a shot. From what you said, it sounds like its not even a true elder scrolls, Just another star wars galaxies with massive voice overs. Can't lie we did like that one, but it was free, left shortly after starting.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
^This.
I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all the games that were p2p that have gone f2p or are just gone. Only 2 have remained p2p, and if recent history tells me anything, it tells me that ESO, Wildstar, and FFXIV will drop their subscription fees and either go f2p or b2p within months of release.
They went F2P because they were disasters!
TERA, Rift, TSW, SWTOR... all of them disasters and would be gone if it wasn't for F2P. But even that is not helping SWTOR, which is considering closing its doors.
Aion it hot in the east, but not in the west. If it hadn't gone F2P, that game would be gone too.
While games like DAOC and EVE are still going strong after years, and still with a sub.
Quality games are worth the monthly sub, and it keeps a lot of trashy players out.
Disasters? What is a disaster exactly?
What makes ESO any different?
Quality games? Really? Who is the judge exactly?
I say keep dreaming. From every comment I hear besides this site, most people don't want to pay a sub even if the game is good. Most people feel, that if GW2 can do it, then so can every other game. Not many want Sub based games anymore. Has nothing to do with "quality"
It's the same excuse over and over again by every single P2P player. This conversation pops up every P2P MMO that seems to come out, and it ends up going F2P after the first few months to a year.
Originally posted by Elethon Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.
There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.
Ya .. that is how I see it. Just about 70% of the comments I have read around the web involve not buying the game now XD or free to play in a few months to a year.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
lol... never going to happen.
And from what I have read around the web, its about 50-50.
If TESO delivers a solid product, those who cried about the sub, will find a way to pay.
Originally posted by MMORPGtester well me and the wife were going to play this one. We have played every single one they made and loved them all. I however am not willing to pay for the game, then pay for a monthly fee tho. When there are so many free ones we can jump to and from. I guess our elder scrolls hit the last scroll.
You represent the vast majority of TES fans.
Don't worry though, you wont be missing much. The game makes a bad TES game almost as much as it is making a bad MMO. They put too much money into the voice-overs...should have used it for someone that can write worth a damn...or at least made the combat close to half what it was in Skyrim...or include half the depth of skills in Oblivion or Marrowind...maybe to get rid of some of those invisible walls or make the graphics look like something made in the last 6 years.
if they offer a trial and or perhaps an open beta for users to see what they will be getting, and it lives to par. Still may give it a shot. From what you said, it sounds like its not even a true elder scrolls, Just another star wars galaxies with massive voice overs. Can't lie we did like that one, but it was free, left shortly after starting.
You can pretty well bank on an open beta. And lol @ the voice over--first it wasn't SWG, it's SWTOR you're referring to and 2nd, every single npc in Skyrim, important or not, is fully voiced - it ain't exactly news when a TES game does it.
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It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
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Originally posted by Hanthos Hopefully we are starting to see the end of this wretched F2P/Cash Shop experiment. I applaud the ESO team for going with a model that treats and rewards all of it's players equally.
I do as well. I just wasn't expecting to see signs of it potentially happening for a couple of years at least. Finally we're getting some good news around here
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And from what I have read around the web, its about 50-50.
If TESO delivers a solid product, those who cried about the sub, will find a way to pay.
then you haven't read much, the official TES site and the vast majority of TES fansites including the MOD sites are overrun with people angry about the game, not just the sub. The sub thing is just the icing on the cake that is the slap in the face to TES fans.
Now factor in the MMO fans not happy with the small group focus, lack of real raids and those that think the DaoC style of funneled PvP content creating a closed world with fake "faction pride"...and the entire "50/50" argument is laughable.
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It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
Wouldn't they technically get more if they went B2P instead? It means you get more buyers at $60 per game and you have people paying for cosmetic items in a cash shop. By going P2P you have to play catch up in order to even reach the same amount.
I am surprised people here seem to be so confident in a model that doesn't seem to work -.- and have very little proof to back up their claims. Everything points to the complete opposite of P2P working out fine.
Originally posted by Hanthos Hopefully we are starting to see the end of this wretched F2P/Cash Shop experiment. I applaud the ESO team for going with a model that treats and rewards all of it's players equally.
I do as well. I just wasn't expecting to see signs of it potentially happening for a couple of years at least. Finally we're getting some good news around here
Oh if only they didn't have a DNA on this beta...I would so enjoy bursting your bubbles about something stated here.
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Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
^This.
I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all the games that were p2p that have gone f2p or are just gone. Only 2 have remained p2p, and if recent history tells me anything, it tells me that ESO, Wildstar, and FFXIV will drop their subscription fees and either go f2p or b2p within months of release.
They went F2P because they were disasters!
TERA, Rift, TSW, SWTOR... all of them disasters and would be gone if it wasn't for F2P. But even that is not helping SWTOR, which is considering closing its doors.
Aion it hot in the east, but not in the west. If it hadn't gone F2P, that game would be gone too.
While games like DAOC and EVE are still going strong after years, and still with a sub.
Quality games are worth the monthly sub, and it keeps a lot of trashy players out.
Disasters? What is a disaster exactly?
What makes ESO any different?
Quality games? Really? Who is the judge exactly?
I say keep dreaming. From every comment I hear besides this site, most people don't want to pay a sub even if the game is good. Most people feel, that if GW2 can do it, then so can every other game. Not many want Sub based games anymore. Has nothing to do with "quality"
It's the same excuse over and over again by every single P2P player. This conversation pops up every P2P MMO that seems to come out, and it ends up going F2P after the first few months to a year.
Disaster? How are they not disasters exactly?
What makes ESO different? Its hasn't been launched yet...lol
I say keep whining. From the comments I see, many people are willing to pay a sub for a quality game.
Its the same excuse over and over again by Freebie lovers, because they feel threatened by anyone who has more than they do. The only games that go from P2P to F2P are the disasters, like the ones I mentioned.
NEVER has a quality sub game went F2P for no reason....LOL
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
The problem with a non-group oriented games is that they are high susceptible to piracy.
I, and many others, only buy games that offer an online environment in which I want to join.
All the other games are easy to download.
This of course will include TESO.
There will be downloadable servers up in no time, so if they insist on keeping the subscription model, then many consumers will just play for free.
They won't even get our box sale money.
I won't lose an ounce of sleep over corporate greed.
Actually yes, that is a major deal breaker, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to at this time. I would have happily purchased the game as a B2P game, but paying a monthly fee of $15 is crazy. I really don't even understand how they can expect their console players to pay a monthly fee for console and a game on top of that. They are going to be losing a lot of customers with this model I think.
To those who can afford it, awesome! Hope you all enjoy the game. I will not waste my money, because i know they will end up switching models eventually anyway.
^This.
I wholeheartedly agree. Look at all the games that were p2p that have gone f2p or are just gone. Only 2 have remained p2p, and if recent history tells me anything, it tells me that ESO, Wildstar, and FFXIV will drop their subscription fees and either go f2p or b2p within months of release.
They went F2P because they were disasters!
TERA, Rift, TSW, SWTOR... all of them disasters and would be gone if it wasn't for F2P. But even that is not helping SWTOR, which is considering closing its doors.
Aion it hot in the east, but not in the west. If it hadn't gone F2P, that game would be gone too.
While games like DAOC and EVE are still going strong after years, and still with a sub.
Quality games are worth the monthly sub, and it keeps a lot of trashy players out.
Disasters? What is a disaster exactly?
What makes ESO any different?
Quality games? Really? Who is the judge exactly?
I say keep dreaming. From every comment I hear besides this site, most people don't want to pay a sub even if the game is good. Most people feel, that if GW2 can do it, then so can every other game. Not many want Sub based games anymore. Has nothing to do with "quality"
It's the same excuse over and over again by every single P2P player. This conversation pops up every P2P MMO that seems to come out, and it ends up going F2P after the first few months to a year.
Disaster? How are they not disasters exactly?
What makes ESO different? Its hasn't been launched yet...lol
I say keep whining. From the comments I see, many people are willing to pay a sub for a quality game.
Its the same excuse over and over again by Freebie lovers, because they feel threatened by anyone who has more than they do. The only games that go from P2P to F2P are the disasters, like the ones I mentioned.
NEVER has a quality sub game went F2P for no reason....LOL
Ya and you know .. there are SOOO many games to back up your claims
Really don't make me laugh.
What comments are you looking at? Show me a place where the comments are nothing but positive or at least mostly positive. Not including this site. Go around the web .. and point them out .. lets see how many you come across.
THEN ... I might consider agreeing with you. However, I am all over the web on this subject and really not many people are happy at all. Not even close.
I don't even see how you can miss all the comments all over the net. Heck even youtube, the only videos about this topic only have negative things to say about it. XD
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
Exactly right.
Why would the TESO devs want to pay for all that sever power, for a bunch of players who have no intention of spending any money. They plan to blow thru the content and move on to the next game anyway.
Leaving the TESO devs holding a huge server bill. Do those players care? Not at all.
IMO most of the F2P crowd are the same as the soloer crowd, selfish and irrational.
Originally posted by Sovrath Originally posted by Brabbit1987
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
Wouldn't they technically get more if they went B2P instead? It means you get more buyers at $60 per game and you have people paying for cosmetic items in a cash shop. By going P2P you have to play catch up in order to even reach the same amount.
I am surprised people here seem to be so confident in a model that doesn't seem to work -.- and have very little proof to back up their claims. Everything points to the complete opposite of P2P working out fine.
There is nothing wrong with the model. The issue is the games over the last decade that came out with said model have mostly sucked. That isn't an issue with the model, it is an issue with the games. This game will be just another in list that won't be able to sustain the model, because it was never meant to use it. This is a b2p game, and most people won't be fooled for long.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
The problem with a non-group oriented games is that they are high susceptible to piracy.
I, and many others, only buy games that offer an online environment in which I want to join.
All the other games are easy to download.
This of course will include TESO.
There will be downloadable servers up in no time, so if they insist on keeping the subscription model, then many consumers will just play for free.
They won't even get our box sale money.
I won't lose an ounce of sleep over corporate greed.
And again with the boycott threats.
Also, you are wrong. It would be illegal for anyone to start up a server for people to play TESO for free. I cant believe you even said it.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
Exactly right.
Why would the TESO devs want to pay for all that sever power, for a bunch of players who have no intention of spending any money. They plan to blow thru the content and move on to the next game anyway.
Leaving the TESO devs holding a huge server bill. Do those players care? Not at all.
IMO most of the F2P crowd are the same as the soloer crowd, selfish and irrational.
The fact you even keep mentioning F2P jsut shows me you are ignoreing everything anyone says because NO ONE said F2P .. Seriously learn to read >.>
We think it should be B2P .. which means PAYING. Not really hard to figure out. Seriously.
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There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.
Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.
I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.
Or B2P with a bling shop.
You represent the vast majority of TES fans.
Don't worry though, you wont be missing much. The game makes a bad TES game almost as much as it is making a bad MMO. They put too much money into the voice-overs...should have used it for someone that can write worth a damn...or at least made the combat close to half what it was in Skyrim...or include half the depth of skills in Oblivion or Marrowind...maybe to get rid of some of those invisible walls or make the graphics look like something made in the last 6 years.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Ya .. that is how I see it. Just about 70% of the comments I have read around the web involve not buying the game now XD or free to play in a few months to a year.
It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.
They went F2P because they were disasters!
TERA, Rift, TSW, SWTOR... all of them disasters and would be gone if it wasn't for F2P. But even that is not helping SWTOR, which is considering closing its doors.
Aion it hot in the east, but not in the west. If it hadn't gone F2P, that game would be gone too.
While games like DAOC and EVE are still going strong after years, and still with a sub.
Quality games are worth the monthly sub, and it keeps a lot of trashy players out.
lol... never going to happen.
And from what I have read around the web, its about 50-50.
If TESO delivers a solid product, those who cried about the sub, will find a way to pay.
if they offer a trial and or perhaps an open beta for users to see what they will be getting, and it lives to par. Still may give it a shot. From what you said, it sounds like its not even a true elder scrolls, Just another star wars galaxies with massive voice overs. Can't lie we did like that one, but it was free, left shortly after starting.
Disasters? What is a disaster exactly?
What makes ESO any different?
Quality games? Really? Who is the judge exactly?
I say keep dreaming. From every comment I hear besides this site, most people don't want to pay a sub even if the game is good. Most people feel, that if GW2 can do it, then so can every other game. Not many want Sub based games anymore. Has nothing to do with "quality"
It's the same excuse over and over again by every single P2P player. This conversation pops up every P2P MMO that seems to come out, and it ends up going F2P after the first few months to a year.
Wanna make a bet?
You can pretty well bank on an open beta. And lol @ the voice over--first it wasn't SWG, it's SWTOR you're referring to and 2nd, every single npc in Skyrim, important or not, is fully voiced - it ain't exactly news when a TES game does it.
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nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
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This game seems to clearly be a B2P quality game, and they are using its IP and hype to go P2P. They have no intent at all to make end game content.
It is like GW2 launching with a subscription! This is pure unadulterated greed.
Damn greedy corporations!
Mark my words this game will be B2P within 6 months.
That said though, they will likely make more money this way than they ever would with just B2P.
Damn greedy corporations!
I do as well. I just wasn't expecting to see signs of it potentially happening for a couple of years at least. Finally we're getting some good news around here
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then you haven't read much, the official TES site and the vast majority of TES fansites including the MOD sites are overrun with people angry about the game, not just the sub. The sub thing is just the icing on the cake that is the slap in the face to TES fans.
Now factor in the MMO fans not happy with the small group focus, lack of real raids and those that think the DaoC style of funneled PvP content creating a closed world with fake "faction pride"...and the entire "50/50" argument is laughable.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Wouldn't they technically get more if they went B2P instead? It means you get more buyers at $60 per game and you have people paying for cosmetic items in a cash shop. By going P2P you have to play catch up in order to even reach the same amount.
I am surprised people here seem to be so confident in a model that doesn't seem to work -.- and have very little proof to back up their claims. Everything points to the complete opposite of P2P working out fine.
Oh if only they didn't have a DNA on this beta...I would so enjoy bursting your bubbles about something stated here.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Disaster? How are they not disasters exactly?
What makes ESO different? Its hasn't been launched yet...lol
I say keep whining. From the comments I see, many people are willing to pay a sub for a quality game.
Its the same excuse over and over again by Freebie lovers, because they feel threatened by anyone who has more than they do. The only games that go from P2P to F2P are the disasters, like the ones I mentioned.
NEVER has a quality sub game went F2P for no reason....LOL
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
The problem with a non-group oriented games is that they are high susceptible to piracy.
I, and many others, only buy games that offer an online environment in which I want to join.
All the other games are easy to download.
This of course will include TESO.
There will be downloadable servers up in no time, so if they insist on keeping the subscription model, then many consumers will just play for free.
They won't even get our box sale money.
I won't lose an ounce of sleep over corporate greed.Ya and you know .. there are SOOO many games to back up your claims
Really don't make me laugh.
What comments are you looking at? Show me a place where the comments are nothing but positive or at least mostly positive. Not including this site. Go around the web .. and point them out .. lets see how many you come across.
THEN ... I might consider agreeing with you. However, I am all over the web on this subject and really not many people are happy at all. Not even close.
I don't even see how you can miss all the comments all over the net. Heck even youtube, the only videos about this topic only have negative things to say about it. XD
Exactly right.
Why would the TESO devs want to pay for all that sever power, for a bunch of players who have no intention of spending any money. They plan to blow thru the content and move on to the next game anyway.
Leaving the TESO devs holding a huge server bill. Do those players care? Not at all.
IMO most of the F2P crowd are the same as the soloer crowd, selfish and irrational.
nope.
they will keep it p2p because they know that some "gamers" will complain no matter what but in the end still buy it/subscribe. Then they will keep it p2p but if subs fall below a certain threshhold they will "then" add some sort of freemium plan.
They will get more money up front with p2p as opposed to the inundation of players who have no intent of paying a dime but still flooding servers at launch.
Wouldn't they technically get more if they went B2P instead? It means you get more buyers at $60 per game and you have people paying for cosmetic items in a cash shop. By going P2P you have to play catch up in order to even reach the same amount.
I am surprised people here seem to be so confident in a model that doesn't seem to work -.- and have very little proof to back up their claims. Everything points to the complete opposite of P2P working out fine.
There is nothing wrong with the model. The issue is the games over the last decade that came out with said model have mostly sucked. That isn't an issue with the model, it is an issue with the games. This game will be just another in list that won't be able to sustain the model, because it was never meant to use it. This is a b2p game, and most people won't be fooled for long.And again with the boycott threats.
Also, you are wrong. It would be illegal for anyone to start up a server for people to play TESO for free. I cant believe you even said it.
The fact you even keep mentioning F2P jsut shows me you are ignoreing everything anyone says because NO ONE said F2P .. Seriously learn to read >.>
We think it should be B2P .. which means PAYING. Not really hard to figure out. Seriously.