Landmark this year...

Dewm · August 2013

I assumed because what we saw at the "unveiling" was nothing more then a shiny tech demo (albeit a awesome one)

But then I got to thinking about it... if Landmarks is going to have the same physics, animation and character models as EQ:N and they will have crafting and some items (see: statues, picks, crafting stations etc...)

And all of this is going to be released before the end of the year...

...They actually must be fairly far into development.. sure not ready for full release.. but they must have nailed down a few things..

-destructable enviroments work.

-character models/animation.

-engine tools etc.

So maybe o'l smed is farther along then we give em credit for.

Nemesis7884 · August 2013

i still dont entirely get the difference since it seems landmark will also have things like guilds and combat etc...

but what you describe - isnt the first thing always getting the engine, the editor, the physics in - and then start creating all the quests etc....

so landmark could also be just a big "stalling" that buys them more time, maybe even makes players work for them while people can start already "locking down on" eqn and dont get engaged in the other big mmo's?

but im still having troubles understanding it all

Dewm · August 2013

Originally posted by Nemesis7884
i still dont entirely get the difference since it seems landmark will also have things like guilds and combat etc...

Nothing I've seen/heard has stated Landmarks will have combat in it.. (maybe i'm wrong).. link?

but what you describe - isnt the first thing always getting the engine, the editor, the physics in - and then start creating all the quests etc....

This is my point, Landmarks shares the engine physics character models etc... So they must have the foundation already in place. Pretty much the only thing left for EQ:N would be to fill it with content

so landmark could also be just a big "stalling" that buys them more time, maybe even makes players work for them while people can start already "locking down on" eqn and dont get engaged in the other big mmo's?

I don't think its stalling, they want to have tons of artist adding tons of stuff in so they don't have copy/pasta crap everywhere. I think its a awesome idea, who cares if everything in game isn't 100% dev made.

No one has a problem with Bethesda selling more skyrim copies because of mods.

but im still having troubles understanding it all

My understanding is this:

Landmarks will have no quest, no combat.. just crafting and building and exploring.

In certain "zones" SoE will dictate the art style of certain buildings etc..

if some of those "specific building" get voted up by the player base.. they have a chance of making it into EQ:N and becoming part of a quest line, or a city.

Nadia · August 2013

SOE said Landmark is due this winter, it could be as late as March 2014

this was said at Gamescom

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/21/gamescom-2013-in-depth-looks-at-everquest-next-and-eq-next-lan/

You can choose between male and female heroes and will begin as an Adventurer class at one of the world's great landmarks. From there, you can adventure freely into the world, find a spot you like, and claim it as your own. Once your spot is claimed, you can build on it however you see fit or move on to claim other areas and link them all together.

Landmark will feature many common MMO functions. You'll be able to start guilds and make friends, along with creating temporary build projects with others. You can also gather resources, craft items (including better gathering tools), and man an in-game booth to sell stuff to other Landmark adventurers. You can even sell your real estate on the global marketplace or make a career out of crafting environmental items for other players to use.

One area of Landmark will be reserved for art in the Norrathian style. Players can use the game's tagging system to "like" content, and the most-liked content (that fits the art style) will show up in EverQuest Next proper on day one of its launch. If you play Landmark, you'll also have access to the Adventurer class when you boot up EQ Next, allowing you to start multi-classing from your first moments in-game (or you can just transfer your Adventurer directly into Next).

Dewm · August 2013

Originally posted by Nadia
SOE said Landmark is due this winter, it could be as late as March 2014

where did you get the "it could be as late as march 2014"?

in this video @ 37:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDq2a3zy_6M

The president of SoE said we can expect Landmark, and I quote "later this year"

Enrif · August 2013

what will be missing in Landmark?

Emergent AI
Rally Calls
Quests
NPC
envoirmental building, Cities and the like(besides some landmarks), cause we will build some of it
Multiclassing
combat
PvE/PvP content

Still a long list. and some of that realy need time to be good.

Nadia · August 2013

no source said march 2014 - several sources said this winter

its my personal interpretation that winter lasts through march

http://www.shacknews.com/article/80806/everquest-next-landmark-shows-off-building

Landmark is due to launch this winter.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2013/08/02/everquests-next-landmark/

launches this winter

GrayKodiak · August 2013

They have already said they have not started working on social skills in the game yet, they do not have the other race models made yet.

People assume that we will be able to be multiple races in Landmark but.....they have not said that anywhere.

joe2721 · August 2013

If an older SOE Twitch video they said the wanted to make sure they were far enough along before they reveal anything to make it harder for others to release someone very similar anywhere close to there release date. So I always figured they were further along than we thought

wizardanim · August 2013

Originally posted by GrayKodiak
They have already said they have not started working on social skills in the game yet, they do not have the other race models made yet.

People assume that we will be able to be multiple races in Landmark but.....they have not said that anywhere.

What would qualify as a social skill? What about SoEmote? What about the player shops, guilds, and marketplace? I might misunderstand what you mean.

I do hope there are at least a few races to choose from. But, with only one class to choose from (Adventurer), that we currently know about, i'm not too worried. Everyone will have similar skills for a while when the game is being built, it will be fun, but the goal is for everyone to contribute. I don't think it will take a lot away from the experience to just have a few races now, and a bunch later.

Dewm · August 2013

Originally posted by joe2721
If an older SOE Twitch video they said the wanted to make sure they were far enough along before they reveal anything to make it harder for others to release someone very similar anywhere close to there release date. So I always figured they were further along than we thought

really? interesting.. have any idea who and/or when that was said? I'd be interested in that interview.

GrayKodiak · August 2013

Originally posted by wizardanim
Originally posted by GrayKodiak
They have already said they have not started working on social skills in the game yet, they do not have the other race models made yet.

People assume that we will be able to be multiple races in Landmark but.....they have not said that anywhere.

What would qualify as a social skill? What about SoEmote? What about the player shops, guilds, and marketplace? I might misunderstand what you mean.

I do hope there are at least a few races to choose from. But, with only one class to choose from (Adventurer), that we currently know about, i'm not too worried. Everyone will have similar skills for a while when the game is being built, it will be fun, but the goal is for everyone to contribute. I don't think it will take a lot away from the experience to just have a few races now, and a bunch later.

At gamescon they were asked if EQN would have things like SWG musicians, and they replied they have not even started on social skills yet.

Nemesis7884 · August 2013

people always assumed eqn would release 2013 - or at least did so a long time...i think we will be lucky if we are looking at autumn 2014...

malrats · August 2013

It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Rydeson · August 2013

Originally posted by malrats
It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Not happening.. EQN will be lucky to release in 2015.. They haven't even broke ground on ANY starting city, it's why we haven't seen any concept art of a city.. There is next to nothing talked about with crafting, other then "we like it so far".. I would even place a safe bet that the classes aren't even complete, and races are still in development.. I suspect you won't see any serious form of beta til fall of 2014.. Release maybe first part of 2015.. Keep in mind that EQN has gone thru 2 reboots, and they just recently signed on to their partners this year.. Normally, you'll see 2-3 years of development minimum after you have the engine and building tools in place..

Landmark I assume will have an effect just how fast they can get players to do their work for them.. If Landmark players don't produce acceptable areas, then SOE will have to hire on more staff the old fashion way and do it themselves.. That will take more time.. But if players take Landmark serious, it could speed up release time by 6 months give or take.. But no way do you see EQN within the next 12 months..

Dewm · August 2013

Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by malrats
It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Not happening.. EQN will be lucky to release in 2015.. They haven't even broke ground on ANY starting city, it's why we haven't seen any concept art of a city.. There is next to nothing talked about with crafting, other then "we like it so far".. I would even place a safe bet that the classes aren't even complete, and races are still in development.. I suspect you won't see any serious form of beta til fall of 2014.. Release maybe first part of 2015.. Keep in mind that EQN has gone thru 2 reboots, and they just recently signed on to their partners this year.. Normally, you'll see 2-3 years of development minimum after you have the engine and building tools in place..

Landmark I assume will have an effect just how fast they can get players to do their work for them.. If Landmark players don't produce acceptable areas, then SOE will have to hire on more staff the old fashion way and do it themselves.. That will take more time.. But if players take Landmark serious, it could speed up release time by 6 months give or take.. But no way do you see EQN within the next 12 months..

Well judging from your post you already hate EQ:N and SoE... so any form of a discussion will be extremely pointless and 1 sided.

But if you had actually read the OP you would have realised that I originaly agree'd with you.. But after thinking about it, I bet they are way further along then we think. I mean that have to have at least 50% of the game in place just to release Landmark (which they said would be done this year/December)

And I do like how you say everything with such athority. "you WILL NOT! see EQN in the next 12 months" "It normally takes 2-3 years" blah blah... How do you know this? gunna lie and say you are some bigwig for a dev company?

Rydeson · August 2013

Originally posted by Dewm
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by malrats
It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Not happening.. EQN will be lucky to release in 2015.. They haven't even broke ground on ANY starting city, it's why we haven't seen any concept art of a city.. There is next to nothing talked about with crafting, other then "we like it so far".. I would even place a safe bet that the classes aren't even complete, and races are still in development.. I suspect you won't see any serious form of beta til fall of 2014.. Release maybe first part of 2015.. Keep in mind that EQN has gone thru 2 reboots, and they just recently signed on to their partners this year.. Normally, you'll see 2-3 years of development minimum after you have the engine and building tools in place..

Landmark I assume will have an effect just how fast they can get players to do their work for them.. If Landmark players don't produce acceptable areas, then SOE will have to hire on more staff the old fashion way and do it themselves.. That will take more time.. But if players take Landmark serious, it could speed up release time by 6 months give or take.. But no way do you see EQN within the next 12 months..

Well judging from your post you already hate EQ:N and SoE... so any form of a discussion will be extremely pointless and 1 sided.

But if you had actually read the OP you would have realised that I originaly agree'd with you.. But after thinking about it, I bet they are way further along then we think. I mean that have to have at least 50% of the game in place just to release Landmark (which they said would be done this year/December)

And I do like how you say everything with such athority. "you WILL NOT! see EQN in the next 12 months" "It normally takes 2-3 years" blah blah... How do you know this? gunna lie and say you are some bigwig for a dev company?

WOW really? Was I talking to you or the OP? NO.. I was responding to "Malrats".. Have a great day

Nemesis7884 · August 2013

Originally posted by Dewm
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by malrats
It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Not happening.. EQN will be lucky to release in 2015.. They haven't even broke ground on ANY starting city, it's why we haven't seen any concept art of a city.. There is next to nothing talked about with crafting, other then "we like it so far".. I would even place a safe bet that the classes aren't even complete, and races are still in development.. I suspect you won't see any serious form of beta til fall of 2014.. Release maybe first part of 2015.. Keep in mind that EQN has gone thru 2 reboots, and they just recently signed on to their partners this year.. Normally, you'll see 2-3 years of development minimum after you have the engine and building tools in place..

Landmark I assume will have an effect just how fast they can get players to do their work for them.. If Landmark players don't produce acceptable areas, then SOE will have to hire on more staff the old fashion way and do it themselves.. That will take more time.. But if players take Landmark serious, it could speed up release time by 6 months give or take.. But no way do you see EQN within the next 12 months..

Well judging from your post you already hate EQ:N and SoE... so any form of a discussion will be extremely pointless and 1 sided.

But if you had actually read the OP you would have realised that I originaly agree'd with you.. But after thinking about it, I bet they are way further along then we think. I mean that have to have at least 50% of the game in place just to release Landmark (which they said would be done this year/December)

And I do like how you say everything with such athority. "you WILL NOT! see EQN in the next 12 months" "It normally takes 2-3 years" blah blah... How do you know this? gunna lie and say you are some bigwig for a dev company?

sorry but i strongly disagree - history does not support your statement... has there EVER been an mmo where the devs were "way further along then we think"? Has there EVER been an mmo that was even on time regarding the devs own original timeline? NO - never, all mmo's are always late...always...so even assuming they would be in time (even if we had any) would be quite optimistic... i think beta starting fall 2014 seems realistic...

Kyllien · August 2013

Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Dewm
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by malrats
It was said numerous times at SOE Live that Landmark would be released this DECEMBER...

That's definitely 2013.

And then I'd imagine we'll get EQN proper in 2014, maybe even spring. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Not happening.. EQN will be lucky to release in 2015.. They haven't even broke ground on ANY starting city, it's why we haven't seen any concept art of a city.. There is next to nothing talked about with crafting, other then "we like it so far".. I would even place a safe bet that the classes aren't even complete, and races are still in development.. I suspect you won't see any serious form of beta til fall of 2014.. Release maybe first part of 2015.. Keep in mind that EQN has gone thru 2 reboots, and they just recently signed on to their partners this year.. Normally, you'll see 2-3 years of development minimum after you have the engine and building tools in place..

Landmark I assume will have an effect just how fast they can get players to do their work for them.. If Landmark players don't produce acceptable areas, then SOE will have to hire on more staff the old fashion way and do it themselves.. That will take more time.. But if players take Landmark serious, it could speed up release time by 6 months give or take.. But no way do you see EQN within the next 12 months..

Well judging from your post you already hate EQ:N and SoE... so any form of a discussion will be extremely pointless and 1 sided.

But if you had actually read the OP you would have realised that I originaly agree'd with you.. But after thinking about it, I bet they are way further along then we think. I mean that have to have at least 50% of the game in place just to release Landmark (which they said would be done this year/December)

And I do like how you say everything with such athority. "you WILL NOT! see EQN in the next 12 months" "It normally takes 2-3 years" blah blah... How do you know this? gunna lie and say you are some bigwig for a dev company?

sorry but i strongly disagree - history does not support your statement... has there EVER been an mmo where the devs were "way further along then we think"? Has there EVER been an mmo that was even on time regarding the devs own original timeline? NO - never, all mmo's are always late...always...so even assuming they would be in time (even if we had any) would be quite optimistic... i think beta starting fall 2014 seems realistic...

You are all hopelessly not in the right mind. EQN and Landmark are linked together. Finishing Landmark in December means that they are more likely 60% done with EQN. All they need then to fill in the game. And Dave has said that SOE will be doing 100% of the game. They may bring in some stuff from Landmark but that will probably be actually less then .1% of the game.

As far as starting cities? There aren't any. What they said is that new players will drop into the current Rally. You have seen the video of Halas? That will be how all the starting cities are done. So all there would be to show is open land at this current time.

I am betting the first beta of EQN will be right after Landmark comes out. Otherwise how are they going to be able to test the links between the two?

Finally you are all acting like they just started building this thing. They started way back in 2009. Even though they restarted they didn't throw out everything. So is 5 years enough?

Edit: They are focusing everything now at Landmark. You can tell from Gamescom. They want to be able to release Landmark as a stand alone game (even though it is fully linked to EQN) so they don't want EQN to get in the way. Let Landmark come out then see how much we start hearing about EQN.

Rydeson · August 2013

Originally posted by Kyllien

You are all hopelessly not in the right mind. No reason to toss out insults like parade candy.. EQN and Landmark are linked together. Finishing Landmark in December means that they are more likely 60% done with EQN. Can you link that fact.. thanks.. All they need then to fill in the game. And Dave has said that SOE will be doing 100% of the game. They may bring in some stuff from Landmark but that will probably be actually less then .1% of the game.

As far as starting cities? There aren't any. What they said is that new players will drop into the current Rally. Can you link that fact.. thanks.. You have seen the video of Halas? That will be how all the starting cities are done. So all there would be to show is open land at this current time. I think that is your assumption, but not fact..

I am betting the first beta of EQN will be right after Landmark comes out. Otherwise how are they going to be able to test the links between the two? Link please on that fact too.. thanks

Finally you are all acting like they just started building this thing. They started way back in 2009. RRRRRRRR wrong answer.. EQN had multiple reboots with multiple engines.. Keep up.. Even though they restarted they didn't throw out everything. So is 5 years enough?

Edit: They are focusing everything now at Landmark. You can tell from Gamescom. They want to be able to release Landmark as a stand alone game (even though it is fully linked to EQN) so they don't want EQN to get in the way. Let Landmark come out then see how much we start hearing about EQN.

So far you're the only person that seems to know all this intel you speak of.. If you could link us those interviews, we would love it.. Thanks

Nadia · August 2013

i dont know the future timelines

EQN has used the same game engine since July 2011 or earlier

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111555-EverQuest-Next-and-Planetside-2-To-Use-New-Forge-Light-Engine

it wasnt until June 2012 that Georgeson was claiming all past images are obsolete

http://eqnwire.com/2012/06/19/eqnext-news-late-this-year/

Screens you saw from a couple years ago are completely obsolete now and are not pertinent to the current game at all

Kyllien · August 2013

Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Kyllien

You are all hopelessly not in the right mind. EQN and Landmark are linked together. Finishing Landmark in December means that they are more likely 60% done with EQN. All they need then to fill in the game. And Dave has said that SOE will be doing 100% of the game. They may bring in some stuff from Landmark but that will probably be actually less then .1% of the game.

As far as starting cities? There aren't any. What they said is that new players will drop into the current Rally. You have seen the video of Halas? That will be how all the starting cities are done. So all there would be to show is open land at this current time.

I am betting the first beta of EQN will be right after Landmark comes out. Otherwise how are they going to be able to test the links between the two?

Finally you are all acting like they just started building this thing. They started way back in 2009. Even though they restarted they didn't throw out everything. So is 5 years enough?

Edit: They are focusing everything now at Landmark. You can tell from Gamescom. They want to be able to release Landmark as a stand alone game (even though it is fully linked to EQN) so they don't want EQN to get in the way. Let Landmark come out then see how much we start hearing about EQN.

Considering that Landmark has yet to really ramp up it's beta (if it's even out of alpha yet), I don't see Landmark coming in December. There is a reason that now, instead of telling us December, they keep saying Winter. I don't believe we'll be seeing Landmark release before 2014.

I'm willing to bet that Landmark will be out for a good while before we hear about Next again. It's probably going to be six months or more after Landmark's release before we even begin hearing about Next's beta.

People need to take a step back and think realistically. We may, or may not, see Landmark this year, but either way I don't think we have any hope of seeing Next before 2015. Of course I could be wrong and SOE could be much farther along than I think. However, they seem rather unwilling to talk about core game features, which leads me to believe that most of them are still on paper.

Why does everyone forget that Landmark and EQN are linked together? I stand by my assumption that we will see the first EQN beta when Landmark comes out. Or really soon after. To be technical Winter starts Dec 21st and runs to March 21st. They will probably be doing everything they can to get the game out in time for Winter break so everyone can get in and play during their time off.

Also there is a difference between telling us what they have finished, and holding back what they have finished to keep stuff to tell us about later. I am betting it is more on the holding back information side.

Also they said they are working on finishing Landmark. It will be released first. They want a lot of people to play Landmark. They will not put EQN in the way so they can get a lot of people into Landmark. Release to much info about EQN and people might just skip Landmark to play EQN.

Kyllien · August 2013

Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Kyllien

You are all hopelessly not in the right mind. No reason to toss out insults like parade candy.. EQN and Landmark are linked together. Finishing Landmark in December means that they are more likely 60% done with EQN. Can you link that fact.. thanks.. All they need then to fill in the game. And Dave has said that SOE will be doing 100% of the game. They may bring in some stuff from Landmark but that will probably be actually less then .1% of the game.

As far as starting cities? There aren't any. What they said is that new players will drop into the current Rally. Can you link that fact.. thanks.. You have seen the video of Halas? That will be how all the starting cities are done. So all there would be to show is open land at this current time. I think that is your assumption, but not fact..

I am betting the first beta of EQN will be right after Landmark comes out. Otherwise how are they going to be able to test the links between the two? Link please on that fact too.. thanks

Finally you are all acting like they just started building this thing. They started way back in 2009. RRRRRRRR wrong answer.. EQN had multiple reboots with multiple engines.. Keep up.. Even though they restarted they didn't throw out everything. So is 5 years enough?

Edit: They are focusing everything now at Landmark. You can tell from Gamescom. They want to be able to release Landmark as a stand alone game (even though it is fully linked to EQN) so they don't want EQN to get in the way. Let Landmark come out then see how much we start hearing about EQN.

So far you're the only person that seems to know all this intel you speak of.. If you could link us those interviews, we would love it.. Thanks

Well since everyone is making stuff up about it coming out in 2015 or 2024 for that matter why not make some assumption to the other side?

All the videos are out there. I usually find that someone else have linked it here all ready.

So instead of me going and finding links to show that they are moving faster then they are telling us. How about you all find good links showing that they are so far behind and can't possibly hope to release a game next year.

Otherwise let us wait and see what they do. I am happy waiting personally. I will be playing Landmark and EQN even if they take a little longer to polish it before release (and hopefully before in the betas).

Well ok one link: http://www.eqhammer.com/news/everquest-next-starting-areas-exploration-and-tiers

MumboJumbo · August 2013

GamesCon Interview: Landmark

Landmark = Real Estate.

The construction and destruction tools are very impressive. But it's to get people creating stuff and buying and selling stuff. It's going to be a huge hit even before EQ:N releases.

Nemesis7884 · August 2013

it would make absolultly no sense to start the eqn beta right after the landmark launch - even if it was ready then which it will not be - by far...

when landmark is out, you want all people in there, doing work for you...but not looking at or playing the eqn beta

before eeeevery mmo people are hoplessly optimistic about release times when EVERY single time mmo release were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay later than initially anticipated...so dont wait up for eqn...i say without any issues you will be able to play through wildstar and teso before eqn beta has even a date set...

Kyllien · August 2013

Originally posted by Nemesis7884
it would make absolultly no sense to start the eqn beta right after the landmark launch - even if it was ready then which it will not be - by far...

when landmark is out, you want all people in there, doing work for you...but not looking at or playing the eqn beta

before eeeevery mmo people are hoplessly optimistic about release times when EVERY single time mmo release were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay later than initially anticipated...so dont wait up for eqn...i say without any issues you will be able to play through wildstar and teso before eqn beta has even a date set...

Well since we know nothing about when EQN will be coming out it is all of us just spewing our own thinking. For me the later then anticipated started back in 2011 when they ended up restarting. So we are now 2 years late by my count. Also 2 years is a very long time.

Since all the new players will be dropped into the current Rallying call they don't even need to have everything ready at release. Like all MMOs stuff can be added to the game later.

And who is doing work for whom? I will be playing Landmark. I will be making my own stuff. If SOE likes it; cool. Otherwise I am really only building stuff for myself. They have said (and no I don't have the video handy) that SOE will be building 100% of the game. They are hoping that Landmark goes really well and that they can get some things from Landmark to put into EQN. However they are not using Landmark to fill EQN. The stuff that they do decide to pull into EQN will probably be a very very very small part of EQN.

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