They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
This isn't like it has just been released. It is a RE-Release of a Failed attempt of an MMO.
This should not happen. I do understand the Fan mentality of sticking to a Failed game because your a Fan. I was a Conan fan since the 70's and loved the game for a while simply because it was Conan.
So for the Fan's Sake, I hope they fix it. but in my opinion it's still a Fail.
They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
GW2 was released in 3 regions in 4 languages but it's missing the cross platforming option, nice try though. Like I said, SE is the only company that has done ALL of this simultaneously.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I dont thing the problem is with the game itself, i've been playing in JP server Tonberry the whole weekend.
No queue (server currently marked as not accepting new char i.e FULL), lag free, no error whatsoever.
When NA and EU servers got downed, All JP servers are working properly.
So the point is, the problem is within their server infrastructure in NA and EU and not the game itself. Please don't generalize by saying everybody experiencing the same problem. Half of the population don't experience problems (all 25 JP servers "i might miscount the server total")
I myself have an almost capped legacy char in Hyperion, i bought new ps3 ver as well, and i almost can't access that char since launch of early access. So yeah i am a bit frustrated, But that didn't stop me from enjoying myself in Tonberry.
Not going to ask ppl to be patient and not angry, but raging here wouldn't change a thing.
They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
GW2 was released in 3 regions in 4 languages but it's missing the cross platforming option, nice try though. Like I said, SE is the only company that has done ALL of this simultaneously.
All "cross platforming" means, in your context, is making a client to run on a different system. Who cares? The network traffic from PC or PS3 is the same, the servers and back-end they are connecting to is the same... Did arenanet make a PS client? No... Does it matter? not really, its irrelevant to what we are talking about...
But that is fine, lets go with a second example.
DC Universe
PS3 and PC (not that it matters, but you seem stuck on it)
Available in English, Spanish, French, german, and Italian.
Released in NA, AU+NZ, EU
3 regions, 5 languages(with full voice-overs), dual console.
If it isn't working Tuesday, will that be long enough for you to admit it is a problem?
How about next Friday? What if you can't get in next weekend?
At what point do you admit this is a problem?
Yeah, there's a problem.
What now?
I mean, you are 100% right. It bombed.
So what next? What about next weekend? What then? Go on the forums and create thread No. 67,284 on the topic? Get your money back? That's certainly an option. But then what? You have two choices. Wait or get a refund.
They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
GW2 was released in 3 regions in 4 languages but it's missing the cross platforming option, nice try though. Like I said, SE is the only company that has done ALL of this simultaneously.
All "cross platforming" means, in your context, is making a client to run on a different system. Who cares? The network traffic from PC or PS3 is the same, the servers and back-end they are connecting to is the same... Did arenanet make a PS client? No... Does it matter? not really, its irrelevant to what we are talking about...
But that is fine, lets go with a second example.
DC Universe
PS3 and PC (not that it matters, but you seem stuck on it)
Available in English, Spanish, French, german, and Italian.
Released in NA, AU+NZ, EU
3 regions, 5 languages(with full voice-overs), dual console.
Except DCUO didn't have to worry about transferring over character data from one version of their game to an entirely new one. Also if I link my SE ID to my PSN ID and buy a copy of FFXIV on the PS3, I can effectively play on the same account across two different platforms...I'll say that again: My PC characters can be played on the PS3 as long as I have it on both systems. Can't do that with DCUO. Also a PS4 version is coming out so that's 3 platforms. And yes it can be one account across three systems....like I said, never been done before.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Except DCUO didn't have to worry about transferring over character data from one version of their game to an entirely new one. Also if I link my SE ID to my PSN ID and buy a copy of FFXIV on the PS3, I can effectively play on the same account across two different platforms...I'll say that again: My PC characters can be played on the PS3 as long as I have it on both systems. Can't do that with DCUO. Also a PS4 version is coming out so that's 3 platforms. And yes it can be one account across three systems....like I said, never been done before.
As I said before, character data is all stored in a DB. I don't know if you've ever done any kind of DB administration, but transferring those characters from 1.0 to 2.0 is minor in the extreme. Almost not even worth mentioning.
Secondly, whether you can play PS3, PC, etc... on the same account is purely an administrative decision. There is NO technical reason why DCUO wouldn't allow it, there was a political(for lack of a better word) reason. The only difference between what they are doing and what DCUO did is an administrative decision. Period.
And again, the client is completely independent of the backend. They can make clients for any system they want, and it will all be sending the same network traffic to the same servers. So they could have it on 50 platforms, and it wouldn't have any effect on the servers or network traffic(unless the point is that there is a larger pool of players).
I really had issues with P4 Beta. I was cautiously optimistic they would get corrected before Early Release.
The game is still having all the P4 Beta issues. You have to admit, it's starting to smell a bit like 1.0 all over again.
The game will take all the time it takes them; however, for a company trying to put distance between 1.0 and ARR, they already blew it by blowing the entire Early Access with bugs that should have been fixed in P4.
The cat is already out of the bag, so to speak. A lot of people (including myself) will give them more time, but a lot of people aren't even going to touch it (again), just because of all the negative press (and most of it deserved).
Has EA went off without a hitch, the sky was the limit for this game. I'm afraid we're looking at another niche title at this point, no matter if every single bug were magically fixed as of me posting this. The bulk of damage has been done by having all these issues present for Early Access.
1.0 sucked because the game sucked
2.0's issues have nothing to do with the game itself.
Thats why this isnt a big deal. Congestion issues happen all the time. they almost always get resolved within the first week.
Of course 80% of today's bitchfest could have been solved by letting people sit in multi hour queues like every other recent release. Would really like an explanation on that one.
Except DCUO didn't have to worry about transferring over character data from one version of their game to an entirely new one. Also if I link my SE ID to my PSN ID and buy a copy of FFXIV on the PS3, I can effectively play on the same account across two different platforms...I'll say that again: My PC characters can be played on the PS3 as long as I have it on both systems. Can't do that with DCUO. Also a PS4 version is coming out so that's 3 platforms. And yes it can be one account across three systems....like I said, never been done before.
As I said before, character data is all stored in a DB. I don't know if you've ever done any kind of DB administration, but transferring those characters from 1.0 to 2.0 is minor in the extreme. Almost not even worth mentioning.
Secondly, whether you can play PS3, PC, etc... on the same account is purely an administrative decision. There is NO technical reason why DCUO wouldn't allow it, there was a political(for lack of a better word) reason. The only difference between what they are doing and what DCUO did is an administrative decision. Period.
And again, the client is completely independent of the backend. They can make clients for any system they want, and it will all be sending the same network traffic to the same servers. So they could have it on 50 platforms, and it wouldn't have any effect on the servers or network traffic(unless the point is that there is a larger pool of players).
But my point is no one has done this before. Even if you try to put everything in layman's terms for everyone here to see how simple you think it is, (lol) it has not been attempted before until now. And that is my own personal reason to cut them a bit of slack. Honestly, I accept your reason not to excuse their obvious lack of experience next to yours it seems. Listen, I'm not trying to convince you to negate your own opinion, just accept the fact that I've laid out before you:
SE is the only company that is attempting to launch a shared server, cross platforming mmorpg globally, on both the PC and PS3 simultaneously that can be freely switched between the two systems with one single account.
Now if this is the reason they are having so many issues I do not know. All I'm saying is for me to overlook the possibility that complications may have arose from doing just that would be a bit irrational on my part. And seems a bit like overreacting on the part of a few negative nancys.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
To answer the OP's question.I think the standard time of a release is one week after release date. If they havent gotten the server stability problems fixed by then, it does not look well for that company. These type of issues has plagued mmo launches for all of mmo history. Some have less to no problems and some have tremendous issues. I still remember eq1 launch, for the first 3 days all I could do was fish (when I could get online). Took them close to 5 days to get the capacity to handle all the players. Heck the first week of aion release was at least a 3-7 hour wait in the queue just to get in the game. It happens often enough, so patience is a must around release dates.
They are taking all those that played the PC only version of FFXIV and stuck with them and transferring them over (levels included) to servers
You are aware that our characters(be they 1.0 or 2.0) are just entries in a database, right? And that moving them over is just a matter of importing the data into the tables in the new DB?
capable of handling not only PC players of the new version of the game, but PS3 players as well and placing them all on the same servers.
The data stored on the servers and the network communication is identical... by this do you mean the increased number of players given that they expanded to a new platform?
Not only that but they are simultaneously releasing all of this in three regions (EU/NA/JP) in 4 different languages (EN/JP/GE/FR).
They paid translators to translate the text and very little of the game is voiced over, at least in English(don't know if that is different in JP or any of the other languages). Releasing in multiple regions is just a matter of having servers and data-centers in that region, more or less(yes, I know they also need payment processors, etc.)
So for me I'm willing to wait for them to stabilize things because I've never witness a company do what they are trying to pull off. They didn't even try this with FFXI.
GW2 was released in NA, EU, Au+NZ, Africa, and the Middle east. It was available at release in English, French, and german with FULL voiceovers, and Spanish with text only.
how many years in dev tho ffxiv 2.0 was 2 years in dev they probly reused some assets tho
If it isn't working Tuesday, will that be long enough for you to admit it is a problem?
How about next Friday? What if you can't get in next weekend?
At what point do you admit this is a problem?
heres an idea play some thing else. Weve all pre-ordered it. but you make it sounds like this games issues are your mid life crysis.
do something else and be patient. If you cant wait then take your infinite wisdom and knowledge to square enix and fix the problem. If you cant do that then shut up and wait
What exactly do you achieve from getting anonymous internet forum posters to admit anything. How does that make the game less buggy. I just play because I want to and handle the log in problems because once I am in I am enjoying myself.
I am not interested in any other game right now and even if I admit there are problems for now that will not change my desire to play. I intend to continue playing ,paying and enjoying the game. I am not going to make any excuses for them just saying I am willing to take the problems to play this game. Hope that answers your question.
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I guess FF Fans will tolerate a lot.
This isn't like it has just been released. It is a RE-Release of a Failed attempt of an MMO.
This should not happen. I do understand the Fan mentality of sticking to a Failed game because your a Fan. I was a Conan fan since the 70's and loved the game for a while simply because it was Conan.
So for the Fan's Sake, I hope they fix it. but in my opinion it's still a Fail.
all I can do is laugh, I am so glad I am not interested in this ....
game if I say what I think about the game the moderator is going to ban me again.
someone just got pwned
yes i got a warning for negative comment @ this game....
GW2 was released in 3 regions in 4 languages but it's missing the cross platforming option, nice try though. Like I said, SE is the only company that has done ALL of this simultaneously.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
you didn't pay for early access btw
Killing dragons is my shit
I dont thing the problem is with the game itself, i've been playing in JP server Tonberry the whole weekend.
No queue (server currently marked as not accepting new char i.e FULL), lag free, no error whatsoever.
When NA and EU servers got downed, All JP servers are working properly.
So the point is, the problem is within their server infrastructure in NA and EU and not the game itself. Please don't generalize by saying everybody experiencing the same problem. Half of the population don't experience problems (all 25 JP servers "i might miscount the server total")
I myself have an almost capped legacy char in Hyperion, i bought new ps3 ver as well, and i almost can't access that char since launch of early access. So yeah i am a bit frustrated, But that didn't stop me from enjoying myself in Tonberry.
Not going to ask ppl to be patient and not angry, but raging here wouldn't change a thing.
All "cross platforming" means, in your context, is making a client to run on a different system. Who cares? The network traffic from PC or PS3 is the same, the servers and back-end they are connecting to is the same... Did arenanet make a PS client? No... Does it matter? not really, its irrelevant to what we are talking about...
But that is fine, lets go with a second example.
DC Universe
PS3 and PC (not that it matters, but you seem stuck on it)
Available in English, Spanish, French, german, and Italian.
Released in NA, AU+NZ, EU
3 regions, 5 languages(with full voice-overs), dual console.
Yeah, there's a problem.
What now?
I mean, you are 100% right. It bombed.
So what next? What about next weekend? What then? Go on the forums and create thread No. 67,284 on the topic? Get your money back? That's certainly an option. But then what? You have two choices. Wait or get a refund.
Except DCUO didn't have to worry about transferring over character data from one version of their game to an entirely new one. Also if I link my SE ID to my PSN ID and buy a copy of FFXIV on the PS3, I can effectively play on the same account across two different platforms...I'll say that again: My PC characters can be played on the PS3 as long as I have it on both systems. Can't do that with DCUO. Also a PS4 version is coming out so that's 3 platforms. And yes it can be one account across three systems....like I said, never been done before.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
As I said before, character data is all stored in a DB. I don't know if you've ever done any kind of DB administration, but transferring those characters from 1.0 to 2.0 is minor in the extreme. Almost not even worth mentioning.
Secondly, whether you can play PS3, PC, etc... on the same account is purely an administrative decision. There is NO technical reason why DCUO wouldn't allow it, there was a political(for lack of a better word) reason. The only difference between what they are doing and what DCUO did is an administrative decision. Period.
And again, the client is completely independent of the backend. They can make clients for any system they want, and it will all be sending the same network traffic to the same servers. So they could have it on 50 platforms, and it wouldn't have any effect on the servers or network traffic(unless the point is that there is a larger pool of players).
1.0 sucked because the game sucked
2.0's issues have nothing to do with the game itself.
Thats why this isnt a big deal. Congestion issues happen all the time. they almost always get resolved within the first week.
Of course 80% of today's bitchfest could have been solved by letting people sit in multi hour queues like every other recent release. Would really like an explanation on that one.
But my point is no one has done this before. Even if you try to put everything in layman's terms for everyone here to see how simple you think it is, (lol) it has not been attempted before until now. And that is my own personal reason to cut them a bit of slack. Honestly, I accept your reason not to excuse their obvious lack of experience next to yours it seems. Listen, I'm not trying to convince you to negate your own opinion, just accept the fact that I've laid out before you:
SE is the only company that is attempting to launch a shared server, cross platforming mmorpg globally, on both the PC and PS3 simultaneously that can be freely switched between the two systems with one single account.
Now if this is the reason they are having so many issues I do not know. All I'm saying is for me to overlook the possibility that complications may have arose from doing just that would be a bit irrational on my part. And seems a bit like overreacting on the part of a few negative nancys.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
how many years in dev tho ffxiv 2.0 was 2 years in dev they probly reused some assets tho
heres an idea play some thing else. Weve all pre-ordered it. but you make it sounds like this games issues are your mid life crysis.
do something else and be patient. If you cant wait then take your infinite wisdom and knowledge to square enix and fix the problem. If you cant do that then shut up and wait
What exactly do you achieve from getting anonymous internet forum posters to admit anything. How does that make the game less buggy. I just play because I want to and handle the log in problems because once I am in I am enjoying myself.
I am not interested in any other game right now and even if I admit there are problems for now that will not change my desire to play. I intend to continue playing ,paying and enjoying the game. I am not going to make any excuses for them just saying I am willing to take the problems to play this game. Hope that answers your question.