In time they will change the policy , since if there not to careful. The top video searches for there game, On google will be a bunch of parody videos. Of there Game.
Nintendo had to back down on there usage rights since , The video of there games top searches started to be Porn sites and other really lame sites.
Since in The usa , It is not illegal to parody stuff. Just got make sure your isp, Website , and any company is USA base , And they do not care if you upload parody videos.. So those that want to make video just can not use squares stuff , but you can do a lot really stupid stuff , like drawing stick figures , run in your tighty whites showing people how to pass a map .
Comparing a Powerpoint presentation to someone recording playing a game and charging Money for it is like comparing Apples With Oranges!
It´s the same when you buy a Music CD. You DO NOT own the Music, you own the CD. That´s it! And not allowed to distribute it and especially NOT charging Money for it! You will be breaking so many laws it´s not even funny!
You can upload the Music to youtube and get away With it (as long as it´s not downloadable and artist is clearly credited). But the moment you try to upload it into a PAID subscriber channel, you going to be in so much trouble, you don´t want to find out!
Same thing here.
Every MAJOR Publisher and Artist has a Materials License (IP property) in Place! Every single one of them! Square Enix is not an exception!
Go try upload videos from any high profile (AAA) game from Microsoft, EA, Activision, Warner Bros, Sony or Nintendo in a PAID subscriber channel and you will be infringing the IP and Copyright Laws of said game!
By paid subscriber, do you mean people having to pay to sub to a channel, or that the channel is making money off its subs through Youtube commercials for example. If you mean the latter, there are a lot of videos from any of the companies you listed (maybe except Nintendo), being monetized though commercials and from what I understand SE is not ok with this either.
Exactly!
You can make videos, put them in a "free" subscriber channel and have People subscribe to it. All fine and you won´t be breaking any IP and Copyright laws With that.
You can even advertise your channel in your videos, as long as your channel is "free" and you don´t make any Money of it.
Google´s Youtube advertising. I have no idea how it Works. If it´s forced and only Google making Money of it. Then you are not breaking the IP and Copyright laws. As it´s out of your hands.
If Youtube advertising is something you can enable yourself in your videos and make Money from it via Google (like Google´s AdSense). then YES! You will be breaking the IP and Copyright laws.
You have to dissable it for these videos. Probably via creating a seperate channel, free from advertisments.
Yes, people are making money themselves from the commercials, there are a lot of them and companies like Blizzard, EA, even SE for other games they published are fine with it. These channels are years old with hundreds of thousands or even millions of subs, so I doubt they would have gone unnoticed for this long. Also if there is commentary in the vids, it falls under the Fair use law (as far as I know), which permits the use of copyrighted material, without permission from the rights holder.
You can make videos, put them in a "free" subscriber channel and have People subscribe to it. All fine and you won´t be breaking any IP and Copyright laws With that.
You can even advertise your channel in your videos, as long as your channel is "free" and you don´t make any Money of it.
Google´s Youtube advertising. I have no idea how it Works. If it´s forced and only Google making Money of it. Then you are not breaking the IP and Copyright laws. As it´s out of your hands.
If Youtube advertising is something you can enable yourself in your videos and make Money from it via Google (like Google´s AdSense). then YES! You will be breaking the IP and Copyright laws.
You have to dissable it for these videos. Probably via creating a seperate channel, free from advertisments.
From my understanding, you can only start making money off videos in Youtube if you use the 'Become a Youtube partner'. Otherwise, your simple Youtube channel is safe as no matter how many likes or subs you have, you won't be making a cent.
Cant blame them.. these YouTube celebs do make fortune without paying the rights holders a single euro.
Very true. They make tons of cash off other people's hard work... but when someone takes said reviewer's material & tries in turn to make money off it, they scream bloody murder about theft & threaten to sue. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It's still a stupid move on Square's part though. They're basically turning down free advertising.
Cant blame them.. these YouTube celebs do make fortune without paying the rights holders a single euro.
Very true. They make tons of cash off other people's hard work... but when someone takes said reviewer's material & tries in turn to make money off it, they scream bloody murder about theft & threaten to sue. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It's still a stupid move on Square's part though. They're basically turning down free advertising.
Well, free advertising that is good is desirable, but if done poorly or with malice can hurt substantially.
Likely they'd rather not take the risk and wish to control the message that they want imparted regarding the game and it is within their right to do so.
Besides, I think they are well aware there's little need to heavily promote a Final Fantasy title, the IP alone practically sells itself, though it might help undo some of the damage done by the first release if they were a bit more flexible.
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Likely they'd rather not take the risk and wish to control the message that they want imparted regarding the game and it is within their right to do so.
I am not certain whether they are in their right here. I do not know the law well enough to determine whether they are in their right to do so. Many EULA contain rules that conflict with local laws and for that reason are not binding.
Personally I think SE is out of touch with reality here and are in fact hurting themselves, but that is just an opimion I hold. The question remains whether their rules are legal at all.
Right now it's probably more about damage control and not wanting videos of login spamming putting the game in an already worse light than it already is.
Yeah, i got that. It's still up to you whether you growel at the feet of some text or not.
When i pay for something, it's mine to do as i please, period.
I hope this is sarcasm.
I agree that this should be the policy, but in our world today it if far from truth. For one example, concert tickets sold by Ticketmaster. Current laws view a ticket as a contract, not a good. Meaning Ticketmaster and some venues can actually NOT allow you to give your ticket away, let alone sell it.
Originally posted by PrecusorCant blame them.. these YouTube celebs do make fortune without paying the rights holders a single euro.
It's not like they're sharing the game via download.It's their game once they bought it, it's their right to show it to whom ever they please and if they make a buck out of it, because of youtube/twitch, all the better.It does mention that for commercial bases So non-profiteering (those that don't have shitty adds on their videos) youtubers should be safe to upload their videos.
You are so wrong, it´s not even funny!When you buy the game, you own shit! You just own a fancy Box With a CD in it. That´s it!The Publisher / Game studio owns the rights to the game, the IP and decides if you can play on THEIR servers or not!Everyone is allowed to post youtube videos all over the internet!The only thing they DO NOT allow, which basically applies to most AAA games from any Major studio, is to publish videos in the PAID subscriber channels on youtube and make Money out of THEIR property without you paying IP rights!It´s not Square Enix´s fault nor any other Companies fault that Google hasn´t implemented an IP fee charge in their systems.So again! You are allowed to upload videos to both open Youtube as subscriber channel Youtube, as long as you DO NOT charge Money for it!
I don't agree with your logic. I feel this approach by SE is becoming an all too common abuse of what copyright is about.These YouTubers aren't making money by reselling a product that isn't theirs. They are making money on their labor. Their time, skill in gaming and entertainment, etc.If I buy MS Office and spend hours creating a PowerPoint presentation that helps make me money, should that be blocked because I used a tool created by someone else? I'm not claiming that I created PowerPoint, nor trying to resell the program to others, so I feel copyright is being honored. This idea could go for any software, computer, car...anything you buy that helps you get a job done.In any case, companies should be thankful that these people give them free advertisement that is very effective. These videos are almost always how I make a final decision on whether to buy a game. Now I have to think very hard on whether I want to support a company, like SE, that takes this approach.
Comparing a Powerpoint presentation to someone recording playing a game and charging Money for it is like comparing Apples With Oranges!It´s the same when you buy a Music CD. You DO NOT own the Music, you own the CD. That´s it! And not allowed to distribute it and especially NOT charging Money for it! You will be breaking so many laws it´s not even funny!You can upload the Music to youtube and get away With it (as long as it´s not downloadable and artist is clearly credited). But the moment you try to upload it into a PAID subscriber channel, you going to be in so much trouble, you don´t want to find out!Same thing here.Every MAJOR Publisher and Artist has a Materials License (IP property) in Place! Every single one of them! Square Enix is not an exception!Go try upload videos from any high profile (AAA) game from Microsoft, EA, Activision, Warner Bros, Sony or Nintendo in a PAID subscriber channel and you will be infringing the IP and Copyright Laws of said game!
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Like I said, none of these people are redistributing the game. They get paid for their labor in making and editing the video.
Better ban the screenshots, written reviews, etc. while they're at it.
With how much potential free advertising SE is losing for FF14 from all the massive youtube channels out there,(TB being one of them) this will probably end up being a net loss for Square. A lot of people watch their favorite youtube commentators for what games they want to purchase these days. The amount of information we have as gamers is an absolute blessing that we should be greatful for. A ton of this information comes from youtube. Nintendo did this and got shit on in the press. Sony and MS are EMBRACING it with the next gen consoles. Things like E-sports and Twitch are made possible because of this.
Honestly, against my own judgement; I am currently playing FF14. I am enjoying it. This poor move on SE's part has swayed me more towards not subbing once my time is up. We should not support companies who take a shit all over the future of our industry. If we support this; then you will see every company start to do it. The best content on youtube is by guys who literally make a living off or have a 2nd job making youtube videos.
Bad move Square Enix Bad move, you can do something doesn't mean you have to do it. They should learn what happened to Sega and Nintendo. Japanese company are so out of touch with reality.
Cant blame them.. these YouTube celebs do make fortune without paying the rights holders a single euro.
I don't know. I think those YouTube celebs are advertising the video games they show. But I do not know whether this rule would carry any weight in a lawsuit either.
I do know this is not a smart move.
They as the content owner's have the rights to do this (though some legal experts may question it, and I defer to their wisdom; it may be that they have their hand tied with legal or international matters as well which led to this). Though many consider it a scumbag or incompetent move. Sega and Nintendo both have also done this, and now they're clamoring for that attention what with them having some tough time lately (yet most new media isn't giving them the time of day anymore after what they pulled).
It's a matter of choice for Square: Do they not allow youtube celebs make a pittance off of videos that feature their games, or do they value the additional millions in advertisement. Youtube videos essentially sell their audiences and subscribers to make a profit; the ads do not care what the video is. People typically do not care what the video is. The personality is why they subscribe for the most part, and that personality sells it's subscribers and will be able to do so regardless of the content.
Therefore to anger a youtube celebrity is to bring the wrath of their cult like following as well. This could only mean bad publicity, and we all know the combined might of Youtube communities and reddit and the forums that such could mean bad business as a whole when thinking of the Xboxone. Even if they don't mention it or rile up their fan base in some way, they may choose to then ignore all content from said developer (much like what has happened to Sega and Nintendo from a lot of former advertisers) and they will lose out. They seem to be of the delusion that they do not benefit from free advertisement or that they don't save millions. That youtube celebrities don't have anything themselves to sell when they do (not just their personalities, but their subscriber base). It's paying for an ad in a magazine; you pay because people read it and the magazine is selling their subscribers and readers and putting pictures of your content to talk about in their pages.
That said, it could very well be that they just want to prevent the story from leaking too soon. Though people are vindictive by nature, and some may just not mark it for advertisement money and just post the entire game out of spite. Also, what of machinima makers? These people work their ass off for months to make a video in a universe made by another person. It's one of the reasons why WoW became so popular (Illegal Danish, Oxhorn, Myndflame, Jenkins even though that was kind've a joke instead of a machinima). It's word of mouth advertising. Player to player. If it's something they wish to block, then that's on them. We the players will pay for it in the long run as they may get less funding for expansions with less potential players.
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In time they will change the policy , since if there not to careful. The top video searches for there game, On google will be a bunch of parody videos. Of there Game.
Nintendo had to back down on there usage rights since , The video of there games top searches started to be Porn sites and other really lame sites.
Since in The usa , It is not illegal to parody stuff. Just got make sure your isp, Website , and any company is USA base , And they do not care if you upload parody videos.. So those that want to make video just can not use squares stuff , but you can do a lot really stupid stuff , like drawing stick figures , run in your tighty whites showing people how to pass a map .
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/parody
Yes, people are making money themselves from the commercials, there are a lot of them and companies like Blizzard, EA, even SE for other games they published are fine with it. These channels are years old with hundreds of thousands or even millions of subs, so I doubt they would have gone unnoticed for this long. Also if there is commentary in the vids, it falls under the Fair use law (as far as I know), which permits the use of copyrighted material, without permission from the rights holder.
From my understanding, you can only start making money off videos in Youtube if you use the 'Become a Youtube partner'. Otherwise, your simple Youtube channel is safe as no matter how many likes or subs you have, you won't be making a cent.
Very true. They make tons of cash off other people's hard work... but when someone takes said reviewer's material & tries in turn to make money off it, they scream bloody murder about theft & threaten to sue. Hypocrisy at its finest.
It's still a stupid move on Square's part though. They're basically turning down free advertising.
Well, free advertising that is good is desirable, but if done poorly or with malice can hurt substantially.
Likely they'd rather not take the risk and wish to control the message that they want imparted regarding the game and it is within their right to do so.
Besides, I think they are well aware there's little need to heavily promote a Final Fantasy title, the IP alone practically sells itself, though it might help undo some of the damage done by the first release if they were a bit more flexible.
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I am not certain whether they are in their right here. I do not know the law well enough to determine whether they are in their right to do so. Many EULA contain rules that conflict with local laws and for that reason are not binding.
Personally I think SE is out of touch with reality here and are in fact hurting themselves, but that is just an opimion I hold. The question remains whether their rules are legal at all.
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I hope this is sarcasm.
I agree that this should be the policy, but in our world today it if far from truth. For one example, concert tickets sold by Ticketmaster. Current laws view a ticket as a contract, not a good. Meaning Ticketmaster and some venues can actually NOT allow you to give your ticket away, let alone sell it.
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Like I said, none of these people are redistributing the game. They get paid for their labor in making and editing the video.
Better ban the screenshots, written reviews, etc. while they're at it.
With how much potential free advertising SE is losing for FF14 from all the massive youtube channels out there,(TB being one of them) this will probably end up being a net loss for Square. A lot of people watch their favorite youtube commentators for what games they want to purchase these days. The amount of information we have as gamers is an absolute blessing that we should be greatful for. A ton of this information comes from youtube. Nintendo did this and got shit on in the press. Sony and MS are EMBRACING it with the next gen consoles. Things like E-sports and Twitch are made possible because of this.
Honestly, against my own judgement; I am currently playing FF14. I am enjoying it. This poor move on SE's part has swayed me more towards not subbing once my time is up. We should not support companies who take a shit all over the future of our industry. If we support this; then you will see every company start to do it. The best content on youtube is by guys who literally make a living off or have a 2nd job making youtube videos.
Seems legal for them to do this.
Pretty stupid though. So what if some people make money out of it. It'll cause your game to have a little more interest than without it.
It's not like they LOSE money from it.
They as the content owner's have the rights to do this (though some legal experts may question it, and I defer to their wisdom; it may be that they have their hand tied with legal or international matters as well which led to this). Though many consider it a scumbag or incompetent move. Sega and Nintendo both have also done this, and now they're clamoring for that attention what with them having some tough time lately (yet most new media isn't giving them the time of day anymore after what they pulled).
It's a matter of choice for Square: Do they not allow youtube celebs make a pittance off of videos that feature their games, or do they value the additional millions in advertisement. Youtube videos essentially sell their audiences and subscribers to make a profit; the ads do not care what the video is. People typically do not care what the video is. The personality is why they subscribe for the most part, and that personality sells it's subscribers and will be able to do so regardless of the content.
Therefore to anger a youtube celebrity is to bring the wrath of their cult like following as well. This could only mean bad publicity, and we all know the combined might of Youtube communities and reddit and the forums that such could mean bad business as a whole when thinking of the Xboxone. Even if they don't mention it or rile up their fan base in some way, they may choose to then ignore all content from said developer (much like what has happened to Sega and Nintendo from a lot of former advertisers) and they will lose out. They seem to be of the delusion that they do not benefit from free advertisement or that they don't save millions. That youtube celebrities don't have anything themselves to sell when they do (not just their personalities, but their subscriber base). It's paying for an ad in a magazine; you pay because people read it and the magazine is selling their subscribers and readers and putting pictures of your content to talk about in their pages.
That said, it could very well be that they just want to prevent the story from leaking too soon. Though people are vindictive by nature, and some may just not mark it for advertisement money and just post the entire game out of spite. Also, what of machinima makers? These people work their ass off for months to make a video in a universe made by another person. It's one of the reasons why WoW became so popular (Illegal Danish, Oxhorn, Myndflame, Jenkins even though that was kind've a joke instead of a machinima). It's word of mouth advertising. Player to player. If it's something they wish to block, then that's on them. We the players will pay for it in the long run as they may get less funding for expansions with less potential players.