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Yeah but Neverwinter wasn't a good game, at all. That game got bit by the hype bug. Lots of people played it that realistically had no chance of staying long term since they got the game based off hype reviews that turned out to be false.
This game had no hype up until launch and the issues with too many people playing. So the people buying the game were looking for it for a reason.
Also I think most of the mmo tourists that hop from launch to launch getting to endgame in a few days, complaining there no content, and then leaving in a month...stayed away...since 1.0 was such a bad game and all.
Time will tell though. I certainly expect a first month population dip. Like with FFXI plenty will play and plenty will stay. Just the nature of FF mmo's
This game will only get to legendary status if their first few content patches and expansion are epically good. Basically they have to hit the ball out of the park every time moving forward here.
No hype? I think it set a few records on mmorpg.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
dungeons, class hunting log, grand company hunting log, class quests, guildhests, side quests in other regions. Such a dearth of options for a newly released game. And never mind 8 man dungeons and 24 man raids at endgame.
All die, so die well.
My Problem is that the OP always likes to pull xfire numbers out when they suit his purposes and always overstates their usefulness and accuracy,he even does so again in this thread.
Xfire is good for predicting general upward and downward trends over time but is not always correct and never accurate in percentage movements up and down when extrapolated into the real world.Especially when taken with such a short time span as is the case in this thread.
Read it again. The game had no hype prior to its launch. In fact the game here was still under its old 1.0 rating of like -5.7 and buried in a sea of canceled but stil listed and dead games.
It was only when it launched that it became apparent that the game was going to be popular.
Also hype rating on this site are beyond garbage. in a few days mmorpg.com staff will manipulate them back to how they like them.
Well, imho it had about the same hype as any other AAA release. Plus, the entire world knows of Final Fantasy if they are gamers. My point is if you said Age of Wushu or Guild Wars is a good game to someone at work, they would generally look at you had bugs coming out of your ears. Most people who don't even play games have heard of Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is a title that is hype in itself.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
One has to wonder what the haters have to gain by attempting to downplay ARR's popularity. They are exerting an extreme amount of effort into trying to convince those of us who are playing it, and enjoying it, into believing that we should not be enjoying it. It's an amazing dynamic. Bottom line, you don't like it, dont' play it. But to come to a forum and vehemently exert an extreme amount of effort about a game you don't like ... it's puzzling, at best. Can anyone explain the hater mentality in this regard? Is it jealousy, envy ... that some of us are enjoying a game and they are miserable? I find this interesting and would honestly like to know. Please explain.
I see no evidence of this at all.
FFXIV:ARR has the normal amount of haters that any game gets here no more no less.
Most people who are complaining aren't complaining about the game or it's popularity but about the launch and at most stating their opinion of the game and it's current playability,i.e don't buy now wait till the login issues are over.
If there's any argument in this thread it's not about the games popularity but about the OP's use of xfire.
It's mostly all in your perception.
average game nothing else to play and the combat in GW2 is great,
in FFXIV I have to click a view times on the target before my character responds.
outdated gameplay mechanics.
I do not know much about Xfire and a quick Google search couldnt help me so i ask here
Does the number count all the PS3 gamers as well?
I didnt find anything that said FF14ARR PS3 version would use Xfire so i am wondering about it.
In general, I agree. However, when I still see threads going on about login issues and how people should avoid the game...one starts to wonder.
Especially when its more than a day since the fix for that specific issue.
EDIT:
Or, posts like this:
Isn't it nice when someone makes your point for you?
I agree! The game is a huge success and in this thread it isn't anyone hating the game, its the use of xfire. The only issue I have with the game right now is I can't buy it!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Yeah that's why I said stuff like mostly but this happens for every game.
Do you understand the terms "mathematical" and "statistics"?
If you really did I don't think you would be saying them as there were no statistics or math in either of my posts which is why you come of as this tough guy trying to shut people down for saying thing you don't like. You're just randomly saying things.
The OP made sure not to use the word "population" for two reason 1) The thread would probably have gotten locked like all of the other XFire to population threads and 2) It gave wiggle room when people went against his post. But what the OP was inferring, and everyone can see who isn't blinded by wanting a game they like to do well because they like it, was that it indicated the success of the game.
What I said in a counter point was that all major MMOs do the same thing on XFire when they launch (SW:tOR as a great example of how one pops up real high and then quickly no one plays it) and then tend to fall off sharply. So I said in the first post, that he shouldn't make posts pointing out how high it is right now because in a month or two people will counter with how far it has dropped.
If you hadn't just jumped on the "It sounds like this guy doesn't like FF, GET HIM!!!!!" train you would have seen I said nothing positive or negative about the game and was discussing how pointless it was to try to show good stuff for FF through launch XFire numbers as they are always high and they will drop.
Do I know statistics and mathematics?
Yes, extremely well. Fairly sure I know more about statistics in particular than anyone posting on this forum. So yes, I do pick up on how people word these statements. All I did was call you on your strawman because the OP was not trying to predict a population. There are two outcomes:
You attempted to build a strawman to tear down the OP for no apparent reason.
You don't know what a population is.
Furthermore, you are changing the point of the thread. The OP makes an observation that FFXIV was ranked two on XFire - nothing more. The rest of you have twisted this into the ridiculousness we see now.
You didn't make a "counter point" because there was no point to counter, unless you take issue with the sourcing of the observation. If that was the problem, then perhaps you should actually say that. I happen to know the OP and I know he isn't a fanboy of the game, he's "Age of Wushu Man". It makes your responses look even sillier.
tl;dr
There is one "takeaway" from this thread and that FFXIV:ARR is trending well on XFire. The servers have been running at or near capacity up until the expansion even discounting AFKs. By all accounts, this is an extremely well received launch for SE.
The only perception at play here is yours in believing what you just wrote. There is an obvious percentage of posters on this forum, albeit no doubt a minority, that are exhibiting an obvious negative malicious bias toward ARR. For you to attempt to dismiss that fact would be an effort in futility of magnanimous proportions. Granted, I understand it happens with other games as well. Simply put, I have never been of that mentality in that if I don't like a game, I feel no need to take to forums and exert an extreme amount of effort into spouting my dislike. I have better things to do with my time. Having said that, it honestly puzzles me and I am sincerely asking for anyone who knows, what is the psychology behind it all. Just an honest inquiry. I doubt I'll get an honest answer, because the honest answer is not pretty and those who fall in the category would be in denial of said behavior. Nevertheless, I throw it out there. A lack of answer would serve to only confirm my beliefs, which again are not pretty as it pertains to human behavior in this regard.
Edit: In the past, I have contemplated starting a thread about this subject. Because, as you alluded, it happens with every game release and it would be interesting to know, what is it that drives the haters toward this behavior. Anticipating a negative reaction, I have hesitated doing so. It would be an interesting thread if people actually responded honestly and expressed their honest points of view regarding the psychology behind it all.
First - the "I'm smarter than anyone using these forums" approach is the worst and most overused tactic on internet forums. Congrats to you supposed MIT statistics extraordinaire how's the blackjack team going. We also all believe you are the smartest man on earth you claim to be, so kudos...............................
Now your whole approach is to say I don't know what a population is, you're batting 1000 here kid. Keep knocking them out of the park.
Maybe your super intelligent brain is so math focused you don't know general conversation or how to read between the lines or you'd get what the OP was actually doing.
Keep on going, everyone agrees with you and also all bow down to your Einstein of the internet self.
You are a joke. And I'm sure you'll be running around defending the game you like so much that you can't stop defending it long enough to play it.
Here's one of those situations where a response sounds good, until or unless you realize how overly-simplified it is.
The only people who would have been 50 before launch (counting Early Access in this) are those who carried over characters from 1.0. They have no bearing on the situation.
The people Diemos is referring to are those who started with ARR, in Early Access or full Launch and in that context, he's completely correct. People were hitting level cap within 3 days of starting their character, thanks to the PL'ing allowed via FATEs.
People were completing all the main story content within the first week (including people who play rather casually). People have already begun unlocking their AF+1, within the first 1.5 weeks.
If this is the pace all the content in ARR is designed to allow, it doesn't look good for the game's longevity as a sub-based MMO. History should be enough indication - for anyone paying attention - that when people have essentially "finished" your game inside their first 30 days, and there's nothing substantial on the near horizon... they're not sticking around. In a Sub-based game, that's a bad thing.
That people are achieving as much as they are in less than 2 weeks does not bode well for the game's sub numbers beyond the first month or two, unless Yoshi-P has some serious Ace Card up his sleeves.
And again, if you want to say "nuh uh!", just look at the last several Sub-based MMOs to release whose players also got through the content in a short amount of time. They've all gone F2P/Hybrid. If you're going to say "But this is FF! It's different!", then I'll remind you that other people said the same thing about other MMOs.
Trion Worlds insisted Rift would never go F2P.... "Ooops".
A subscription-based revenue system is unsustainable if there's not enough content to keep people busy and entertained in 30 day increments.
well this just turned into every xfire thread ever made. shocking...
Sure, allmost every single P2P MMO has but that does not guarantee them TOP 10 spot on X-fire.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
i did not mean to throw a shadow on FFXIV success
I am clarifying that launched sub games are the same as B2P games during the first month
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What I wrote was perfectly reasonable.There is nothing unusual happening to FFXIV,the internet always has haters and trolls.
I never dismissed anything and in fact acknowledged the minority you allude to.You just presented it as a major issue and perhaps implied a large number of people making a concerted effort.Neither is true just business as usual.In fact IMO this game has got less thna it's normal number if you discount frustrated can't log in posts of last week.
As tot he reason a small number of people indulge in such behaviour there are several reason:
Having an agenda to push either toward another particular game they have decided to champion or another game type such as for example FFA OW PVP MMORPGs or "sandbox" so attack anything that doesn't fit their narrow view.
Then you have the trolls who exist because the internet gives them a open forum and anonymity to hide behind and indulge their bad behaviour.
Also you have fanbois the flip side of the hater coin that mistake any criticism no matter how constructive or subjective of POV as trolling and hatred.
these are just a few.
now: GW2 (11 80s).
Dark Souls 2.
future: Mount&Blade 2 BannerLord.
"Bro, do your even fractal?"
Recommends: Guild Wars 2, Dark Souls, Mount&Blade: Warband, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
Why do these threads continue to pop up in almost every major title's forums? GW2, at least once a month, we someone trying to say it's growing or it's shrinking and it starts debates that last weeks and threads reach double digit pages. And yet for GW2, having the most recent thread reach how many pages? and still within that thread there isn't one single number that has been presented to establish one way or another the direction of that game's population. And yet. When you log in, what do you see? Players.
Same with FF14. I log in and see people everywhere on every server. That is subject to change. But until SE releases population numbers and/or I log in and can't find players, There is no point in these threads beyond saying. Hey! all the servers are still full.