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Just had a really bad PUG experiance
Dzone
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First time I've done brayflox's longstop. Well i'm tanking and I've been practicing on lower level dungeons to get the hang of it before hand. I know what i'm doing, but still was going rough through the dungeon. I couldn't keep hate much, cause the archer kept getting agro, next thing I know everything is running all over the place.
I even pulled, flashed twice, marked the targets, provoked and cc'd. Still lost hate, but after awhile someone finally started to sleep the adds and it went a bit smoother.
During the final boss fight though, our first atepmt I was told to kite it around the room, I could not keep hate at all, seemed kinda stupid to kite it, but was doing what I was told. That didn't go well at all.
During the second attemp, someone said "What happened to the archer". Then a minute later the duty finder box poped up on me at the same time the red area appeared on the ground. Well nedless to say I was distracted and died. Before that though I was holding hate good and avoiding the red.
Our 3rd atempt,we got some replacements. I was doing good holding hate and avoiding the red. I even kited when the poison came into play. It looked like the boss was outa the poison, but aperiently it wasn't I died again and we wiped. Then someone yelled "I F ing hate you"
During the fight someone even said I was the worst tank ever.
I didn't think I did to bad, I mean it was my first attempt, and it looked like the boss was outa the poison. Guss I learnted my leason the hard way 
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Done this fight 3 times with new tanks, and they aced it everytime.
This is not a hard fight and if you cannot do a simple kite of a boss around a room, then tanking is probably not for you.
This fight is cake for mechanics all you are doing is standing still then moving when a pool forms, that is the whole fight for you other then doing your normal job of keeping hate, which I have never had a tank loose hate in this fight once.
And what do you mean kiting seems kind of stupid? If you do not kite it it will heal, that is the whole mechanic of this boss. You do not sound like you understand tanking or this boss at all.
Also it does not matter if it looks like its out of the poison, you can see his health bar, you should be able to see if it is going up or barely going down and notice it is healing. There is no excuse for not knowing it is in poison.
For a DPS it can be very annoying for a Tank to mess up what should be a very easy fight, because once that time runs out they have to do it all over again and to even get to do it all over again they have to wait for an hour. whereas you, the guy who messed it up get to go straight back in.
Also what you got was very tame, I have seen people give Tanks a lot worse for a lot less. To come here whining over one comment because you messed up an easy fight, just stupid really.
Nice words of encourgement, good way to turn people from playing the game. Try and be more helpful in posts. Especially since he said it was its first time.
Either way dont listen Reserton. If you were grouped with me and you said it was your first time it, i would understand, when i was dpsing as my first time i didnt know what he did either and wasnt aware he spread poison. But now im pretty smart and when he targets me with poison i run back into another poison pool so it doesnt make the tank have to move at all.
There are people that will be very angry about waiting an hour or so just to get in to a dungeon with someone that prevents them from finishing it, especially when the game forces you to finish some dungeons just to progress with the storyline. This will hold people back for hours if you screw up. Although their reaction might be rude and unnecessary, their frustration should be understandable. There are also many players that will be understanding and help you learn the ropes.
If these type of reactions upset you, you should probably focus on only grouping with patient people willing to help until you're confident in the mechanics and can easily take a PUG through a particular dungeon. I suggest forming groups with people on your server that know beforehand that you're learning, or join a good FC that's willing to help you practice. I think PUGs are a bad place to learn unless you just don't care about frustrating others. There are plenty of people willing to help, but it's just luck of the draw if you look for them in the random duty finder.
Ye that wouda been nice, in our group the poisen pool was spred all over the room. Only had a small part I could actually run to. Just didn't tank him back far enough. Now I know to take him farther from the poison.
and the only spot I had, is were my other members were standing. I was trying to keep him away from them, but I guss I needed to pull him on top of them I guss.
You know when playing games stops being fun? When you have to play with people like you.
For me, I think that games stops being fun when people take it too seriously and get upset just because there's a beginner on the group. Come on, why get angry and insult another person just because your expectations were not fulfilled on a damn game?yeah people in the duty finder can be real jerks. We had a new tank to a dungeon last night and it was rough for a while but you understand if it's their first time. Tanks have a difficult role in dungeons and honestly all other jobs have about 1/4 the responsibility so I give tanks a pass if it's their first time. I've had plenty of runs fail because of a bad tank but have won tons even with a bad dps.
On a side note though we had a new tank in a dungeon a few days ago who didn't know what he was doing so I helped him out explaining the stuff to him as we went. The run went flawless and we won in a decent amount of time for having a new tank. At the very end after we killed the boss the white mage who hadn't said anything the entire dungeon called me a dumbass and then left. So the guy who helped us win and made sure we didn't make stupid mistakes is a dumbass? And you didn't have the balls to speak up and say anything for the entire dungeon? I guess that guy is just some genius whose intellect is beyond my comprehension.
If you are a Paladin, make sure to get the best weapon you can (green or better if possible) as damage seems to affect aggro a lot more than usual in this game.
I had no issues tanking from lv 1 to 49 as i always kept myself as well geared up as i possibly could but once i hit lv50 i was unable to keep aggro even on single monsters even if i flawlessly executed my strategy.
I then got a lv 49 green and things got at least tankable, even if with much difficult and work, and once i got my sword from doing Ifrit HM suddenly tanking became easily manageable once again. (at least when it comes to hate)
I had many other tanks tell me similar stories so you may want to check it out.
First rule of a good tank. You only run PUGs after you have learned the dungeon and bosses as a DPS or played through it with patient guild mates a few times. Never break this rule and you will have far fewer issues with the community. You are the one guy or gal that MUST know what you are doing.
Well tanking in ANY game is not just the Tanks role it is a full group role.If you are stealing hate it is up to YOU to slow down,you do not blame the tank when you steal hate.The only class that would ever have a real problem would be the healer because they have to keep you alive and if your hate control is less than their healing ,they might steal hate with no recourse other than to not heal you.
Sadly kiting is a common tactic in Square games,there should be more than one tactic to combat.Players should have to always be on alert and thinking rather than know exactly what to do before going in.You actually could still pull it off even with weak tanking if the rest of the dps know what they are doing.It is called BOUNCE hate,if they spread out,they could still keep the boss moving and nobody takes prolonged damage.
Point being when a group wipes the rest of the group were probably not very good players either as they had no idea how to react when things did not go perfect for them.When kiting you can't produce the same dps as you would standing still,so the dps would need to control themselves when compared to normal tanking combat.
Me i do not get mad when i die,you just need to find people that are more friendly to hang out with.I am that person who has no problem talking over various strat ideas for 30-45 minutes before going into combat.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
By first time you mean the first time you tanking in your mmorpg histroy? if thats the case, i can understand.
otherwise you simply screwed up, and it was your fault, accept it and try to do better next time, or go play a dps.
You shouldn't be tanking a PUG if you aren't ready to help others that don't know the fights. You've made a false assumption about who sets the expected standard. If you can't handle it, there are easier roles to fill that won't leave you seeing red. The rest of us will keep doing it right...
Edit: I mean F man one of the first questions I ask when tanking, "do you know the fights?" so we know who needs some education time on the run...
I don't know why people think calling others names & screaming about wiping is going to help the situation. In my experience it's much more effective to patiently explain what the problem appears to be, and how to solve it. Generally the person will end up performing much better in the long run.
Of course, if the person tells you to piss off because he, 'knows what he's doing', then by all means flame away and blacklist him. Newbs you can help, n00bs you can't.
are you kidding me? its definitely a hard fight if no one told you the mechanics in the first place. get off your high horse. insulting someone and cursing somewhat over a video game is not actually socially acceptable despite your twisted toxic hardcore-gamer-basement dweller logic. If theres anything I hate more than wiping in a dungeon, its babies that whine and throw a tantrum when they aren't getting what they want. SE should have a report feature in the game so you can temp-ban these idiots, so we don't have to deal with this nonsense.
Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)
Personally always leave groups, if there is people in it, that doesnt have patience for a tank who dont know an instance, and let the group know that it is the reason. Usually there is no feel of playing with other people in such groups anyway, which make these runs boring to me. Over all I leave if there is someone who act like a jerk no matter who is being attacked - and ensure to tell the group why.
In EQ2 it is rare I get issues from not really knowing an instance even if I go as a tank, even in a PuG, though ofc the mood in a group may not be in the high end if a run is just wipe wipe wipe obvious, but still rare you bump into people who act like jerks, atleast on the 2 servers Ive played on, ofc it happens but it have been rare.
I havent been in alot of guilds, but those I ve been in, very few have acted like jerks toward new or just bad players, no matter their role. And those who did act "too good for PuGs", would play with their few "worthy few" people only - instead of going around yelling at other people.
You should absolute not have to kite this boss...in fact you DON'T kite this boss, you merely pull it out of the pools if it spits one at the tank/melee dps. What the party should be doing is tank drags the dragon back to the back wall, the rest of the party stands within attacking/healing range on the wall nearby behind the dragon. When the dragon spits out the first poison pool towards the ranged dps/healer you move, then park your arses next to it(as close as you can without being in it). When you see it turn back around to spit another you quickly move into the pool and out once the new one is launched. This keeps the arena clean. I've done this fight at least a dozen times already as when using this strat we have never lost.
Thx for the advice guys. I just did my 3rd run through that dungeon. Before I attempted it, I did go and upgrade to level 35 gear.
Had a really smooth run. only lost hate on the bosses, toward the very end of the fight. The final boss went really smooth. I didn't loose hate at all, and kept him outa the poison. No one died either that entire run. Was an overall awesome group.
So ye just needed some practice, but now I got the hang of that place. I really enjoy tanking in this game
Love how you assume that because the OP was a tank class he should already be a veteran tank in a game he has probably never played before since the re-launch, and like others said it is ppl like you that take the fun out of game's stop trying to be an elitist ass hole and maybe give the bloke some insight as to what he may have been doing wrong without insulting him.
@ the OP you have to expect this, this is why imo Dut finders, dungeon finders e.t.c are the worst thing added to mmo's 1: it kills player communication as no one even needs to spout in chat that they need help 2: it just makes groups that are half the time mixed of veterans and noobies and for the most part most of the vets (not so much n this game) are your above average ass hats that think they are so much cooler than everyone else as they have no life outside of game and therefore spend every waking hour playing a computer game to the point they feel they are some super human or something, news flash, your nothing more than a super nerd.
For future reference i would not come here to post anything bad you may encounter as this forum also draws in those saem elitist that like to just run you down as it for some reason makes them feel superior.
Get into a good laid back Guild and avoid PUGs. You'll less likely run into them.
Lol. If they need the the dungeon to progress their story, that means they are new and thus have no idea how difficult the dungeon is for the tank/healer. If they already know the fight and have done the dungeon before, then they certainly don't need it to progress the story.
Furthermore, it is the dps' job to CC the boss if tank loses aggro.