As the tablet market grows the PC and console markets are shrinking. So of course.... there are more competitors in the console space than ever before. Day late and a dollar short.
Not to mention there is already that little start up that is doing the streaming box for gaming anyway.
I've never even understood the hype of steam to be honest. They are just another e-store of which there are plenty. I typically just buy games through the game developer if I can and then through amazon as a second option. I do have a steam account, but I hardly use it these days. The main reason I had it back in the day was for Valve games, but they stopped producing quality games years ago.
So Portal 2 is not "quality" lol. In any case the biggest obstacle to steam OS is a total lack of DirectX, meaning 90% of games won't run natively on the OS & have to be streamed which has far from desirable performance at this point.
1) I'm not interested in Portal 2
2) Portal 2 launched almost 2 and a half years ago. So your example to disprove my statement that Valve hasn't produced quality games in years doesn't really pan out.
Valve had a solid rep to the point that when they announced Half Life 2 many people, myself included, said "I'm buying that game" for no reason other than Valve did great with the first Half Life and had proven they could make good games. Since the Half Life 2 launch I haven't seen much come out of Valve that I care about and what I have mistakenly bought I haven't found to have the same quality of their early days.
My bigger point was that they're trying to get into a console market as the people using consoles declines and the companies making consoles has risen. Seems like a top notch plan to me. If they were determined to get into consoles, why not make a deal with the existing consoles to make a steam store available on them that gave access to the games. Isn't Playstation already built on Linux?
I'm just not impressed by this announcement or really them as a company these days. But I have no doubt the die hard Steam fans will line up for when this launches the same way Apple fanatics replace every device every time Apple releases something new.
You guys are thinking about this in all the wrong ways. First, steam wants to expand to the living room where console gamers will be more likely to buy into their product. To do this they have created an OS that will run on their steambox. To most console gamers they will only ever need to think of the steambox as another console.
To others, and my second point, it's a linux based OS which means anyone will be able to install this on a computer instead of getting the steam box.
Third, I read someone in the post mention something about hardware compatibility issues, but it's linux, don't worry too much. I've installed several different distro's on a multitude of different systems and have had far less issues with drivers than with all the windows OS's. If you don't want to worry about compatibility, get a steambox or just use steam.
Fourth and lastly (for now), linux has been a small arena for gaming taking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% of the share. Pushing out their OS and eventually the steambox will encourage developers to expand to linux to create their games even more. Once it's been created for steambox, it will run on any machine. I know far too many people (myself included for a while) that wouldn't install anything else but windows just because of the gaming, and this could help change all that. I haven't been gaming much in the last year and have made the switch to elementary OS, I'm never going back.
"It will be available soon as a free stand-alone operating system for living room machines."
Meaning graphics are maxed out at 1080p.
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Any know if this os fix message signal interrupt,timing,latency problem?does it support 1080i?men this might actually be what the whole gaming world has been waiting for a no compromise gaming os.
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989 Originally posted by SnkByteWhy i would need this? What this will give me that i don't have already ?A toy for wana-feel like pro gamers.
Typically a Windows OS is a major resource hog in comparison to Linux based OS's. So one that's focused purely on gaming would be very beneficial for gaming customers.
Linux is 'Missing' tons of shit windows has out of the box. As soon as you start adding 'features' and 'services' like windows does, you will soon see an overhead.
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Isn't open broadcaster software from Linux.Linux might be many thing but behind ms isn't one of them .they had issue on sound side.but that was a while back!
SteamOS will have to gain some serious attention before developers start dedicating resources to Linux clients. Even then, there's no guarantee that developers will be able to dedicate resources to it, or even produce a native Linux client.
If you're interested in SteamOS, ask yourself this: have you ever tried running a Windows game on Linux? If your answer is "No," then you're probably in for an unpleasant surprise. For some games it can be really easy, for most games it's damn near impossible.
Since SteamOS is based on Linux this could mean that any game coming to the SteamOS would automatically be compatible with Linux. If Valve pull this off then this would be a huge step forward for Linux gaming.
I have not tried Linux yet but I do plan to do it one day. My question is if I install Linux OS can it run and do everything Windows can?
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
One thing to know though, is that installing a Linux-based OS for the first time will be like discovering Windows for the first time. You'll be lost, not exactly sure what you're supposed to do and what kind of programs to download, but once you've figured out the basics, Linux is really awesome. Ubuntu is relatively new-user friendly, albeit the Unity Shell (more complicated than that, but basically it acts as the interface) is known to cause some slow downs in 12.10, not sure how it is in 13.04 but just in case, it's best to use the Gnome Shell. All of these things will make sense with time.
Besides, you can always dual boot, or run Linux on a virtual machine so you don't use too much space, and you can mess around with the OS to your hearts content.
A gaming-oriented Linux distribution backed by a big corporation is certainly an intriguing possibility. The real question is whether you can get enough games to release for it.
You can indisputably make a computer cheaper if you can skip buying a Windows license, so there could be a real market for this. If you can get a double-digit market share among gamers, a lot of gaming studios will quickly discover that they don't actually need DirectX or Microsoft Visual Studio, and AMD and Nvidia will focus a lot more on their Linux drivers. So long as Linux is sub-1% of the gaming market, however, game developers will feel free to ignore it.
If most games run just as well on Linux as Windows, do you really need Windows anymore? Do you really want to pay an extra $100 for a license that only gets you the option to play a handful of Windows-exclusive games? If Valve can pull this off, Microsoft could be in big trouble in a hurry.
Of course, there's also the question of whether Linux is really ready for the spotlight. Today, for consumers, Linux is more secure than Windows because nearly all malware targets Windows. But if most consumers ran Linux, the malware would follow. Can open source without an army of coders being paid to fix bugs and write drivers really do so as well as Microsoft does? Or could open source do better?
I can confidently predict that the shift won't halfway happen. Either the software will go to Linux and the world will mostly move to Linux and leave Windows as an afterthought for consumer use, or else there won't be enough software available and Steam OS will be worth less than the purchase price of free.
In an unrelated story, I halfway expect that a coming Windows patch will break Steam. As the old saying goes, "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run."
A gaming-oriented Linux distribution backed by a big corporation is certainly an intriguing possibility. The real question is whether you can get enough games to release for it.
You can indisputably make a computer cheaper if you can skip buying a Windows license, so there could be a real market for this. If you can get a double-digit market share among gamers, a lot of gaming studios will quickly discover that they don't actually need DirectX or Microsoft Visual Studio, and AMD and Nvidia will focus a lot more on their Linux drivers. So long as Linux is sub-1% of the gaming market, however, game developers will feel free to ignore it.
Basically, it's not just sufficient for Valve to make an OS, they've had to work with AMD and Nvidia to improve drivers, they've been helping improve OpenGL and are currently working on improving the sound. They've also been asking around to different developer studios to see what those studios believe Valve should work on first in order to give incentive for developers to start developing for Linux, and as a result Valve are currently working on a Linux Debugger as well.
It is, to say the least, a massive undertaking for Valve, so it will be interesting to see where it leads. I don't see SteamOS getting a lot of major games from other studios for quite a while longer (although Valve has mentioned that they will unveil an AAA title coming to SteamOS soon, whatever it might be), but I think Valve can pull it off.
At least I'll certainly be installing SteamOS on my computer as soon as it comes out. Will start with dual booting it first though
Originally posted by VastoHorde I have not tried Linux yet but I do plan to do it one day. My question is if I install Linux OS can it run and do everything Windows can?
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
One thing to know though, is that installing a Linux-based OS for the first time will be like discovering Windows for the first time. You'll be lost, not exactly sure what you're supposed to do and what kind of programs to download, but once you've figured out the basics, Linux is really awesome. Ubuntu is relatively new-user friendly, albeit the Unity Shell (more complicated than that, but basically it acts as the interface) is known to cause some slow downs in 12.10, not sure how it is in 13.04 but just in case, it's best to use the Gnome Shell. All of these things will make sense with time.
Besides, you can always dual boot, or run Linux on a virtual machine so you don't use too much space, and you can mess around with the OS to your hearts content.
As gaming goes Linux does not do "pretty much everything windows does" because Linux is missing this thing called Direct X.
@snarlingwolf Wow its really been 2 years since portal 2... Lots of people seem to be enjoying DOTA2 which is valves most recent title, I've not tried it myself but globally a lot of people play it. Personally I would really like Halflife 3 or even Halflife 2 opposing force 2 / Blue shift 2 made by valve running paralel to HL2 storyline.
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
As gaming goes Linux does not do "pretty much everything windows does" because Linux is missing this thing called Direct X.
I did say "the only exception would be video games"...
A gaming-oriented Linux distribution backed by a big corporation is certainly an intriguing possibility. The real question is whether you can get enough games to release for it.
You can indisputably make a computer cheaper if you can skip buying a Windows license, so there could be a real market for this. If you can get a double-digit market share among gamers, a lot of gaming studios will quickly discover that they don't actually need DirectX or Microsoft Visual Studio, and AMD and Nvidia will focus a lot more on their Linux drivers. So long as Linux is sub-1% of the gaming market, however, game developers will feel free to ignore it.
Basically, it's not just sufficient for Valve to make an OS, they've had to work with AMD and Nvidia to improve drivers, they've been helping improve OpenGL and are currently working on improving the sound. They've also been asking around to different developer studios to see what those studios believe Valve should work on first in order to give incentive for developers to start developing for Linux, and as a result Valve are currently working on a Linux Debugger as well.
It is, to say the least, a massive undertaking for Valve, so it will be interesting to see where it leads. I don't see SteamOS getting a lot of major games from other studios for quite a while longer (although Valve has mentioned that they will unveil an AAA title coming to SteamOS soon, whatever it might be), but I think Valve can pull it off.
At least I'll certainly be installing SteamOS on my computer as soon as it comes out. Will start with dual booting it first though
If I had to bet what AAA title it going to be I would say Half Life 3.
I've got confidence in Valve, steam is a great platform, it's been good to gamers and Gabe has a better grasp on the higher concepts of making gaming better for everyone by working to shave the roadblocks put in the way of perfomance.
I'd love a dual boot linux based OS that could support steam titles, something that trims out all the bloat.
Listen to the interview Gabe did with the nerdist podcast, it's very interesting how his thoughts are moving these days and what he wants to accomplish with Linux and making gaming less bogged down by platforms and OS issues.
He seems generally sick and tired of the compatibility issues apple and windows throw up to keep each other in check and how it impacts gaming.
It will be more interesting when it releases, and we see what the hardware support looks like.
Linux is notorious for poor graphics drivers, and for gaming, that's the meat and potatoes of the business. If Steam has some deal here, either writing their own drivers or getting the GPU manufacturers to provide good drivers, it could be a game changer. If they are relying on the same old driver support we've had in the past, or the open source community to provide drivers, this will pretty much just be another headline with no substance.
Originally posted by gigat SteamOS will have to gain some serious attention before developers start dedicating resources to Linux clients. Even then, there's no guarantee that developers will be able to dedicate resources to it, or even produce a native Linux client.
If you're interested in SteamOS, ask yourself this: have you ever tried running a Windows game on Linux? If your answer is "No," then you're probably in for an unpleasant surprise. For some games it can be really easy, for most games it's damn near impossible.
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Originally posted by TheCrow2k Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
As gaming goes Linux does not do "pretty much everything windows does" because Linux is missing this thing called Direct X.
I did say "the only exception would be video games"...
TRUE but you made that statement in a thread about a gaming specific Linux distro, context is important
Would love to have a real competitor to MS for a gaming OS but their stranglehold on DX has made it neigh on impossible.
One more thing I would like to mention as far as games available goes. There are several (eg. Unity3d) game development platforms that allow for deployment onto multiple OSs at basically a "click of the button" , so porting a game from one system to another is becoming trivial.
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1) I'm not interested in Portal 2
2) Portal 2 launched almost 2 and a half years ago. So your example to disprove my statement that Valve hasn't produced quality games in years doesn't really pan out.
Valve had a solid rep to the point that when they announced Half Life 2 many people, myself included, said "I'm buying that game" for no reason other than Valve did great with the first Half Life and had proven they could make good games. Since the Half Life 2 launch I haven't seen much come out of Valve that I care about and what I have mistakenly bought I haven't found to have the same quality of their early days.
My bigger point was that they're trying to get into a console market as the people using consoles declines and the companies making consoles has risen. Seems like a top notch plan to me. If they were determined to get into consoles, why not make a deal with the existing consoles to make a steam store available on them that gave access to the games. Isn't Playstation already built on Linux?
I'm just not impressed by this announcement or really them as a company these days. But I have no doubt the die hard Steam fans will line up for when this launches the same way Apple fanatics replace every device every time Apple releases something new.
You guys are thinking about this in all the wrong ways. First, steam wants to expand to the living room where console gamers will be more likely to buy into their product. To do this they have created an OS that will run on their steambox. To most console gamers they will only ever need to think of the steambox as another console.
To others, and my second point, it's a linux based OS which means anyone will be able to install this on a computer instead of getting the steam box.
Third, I read someone in the post mention something about hardware compatibility issues, but it's linux, don't worry too much. I've installed several different distro's on a multitude of different systems and have had far less issues with drivers than with all the windows OS's. If you don't want to worry about compatibility, get a steambox or just use steam.
Fourth and lastly (for now), linux has been a small arena for gaming taking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% of the share. Pushing out their OS and eventually the steambox will encourage developers to expand to linux to create their games even more. Once it's been created for steambox, it will run on any machine. I know far too many people (myself included for a while) that wouldn't install anything else but windows just because of the gaming, and this could help change all that. I haven't been gaming much in the last year and have made the switch to elementary OS, I'm never going back.
"It will be available soon as a free stand-alone operating system for living room machines."
Meaning graphics are maxed out at 1080p.
possibly for the machine, even then I doubt it.
Linux is 'Missing' tons of shit windows has out of the box.
As soon as you start adding 'features' and 'services' like windows does, you will soon see an overhead.
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If you're interested in SteamOS, ask yourself this: have you ever tried running a Windows game on Linux? If your answer is "No," then you're probably in for an unpleasant surprise. For some games it can be really easy, for most games it's damn near impossible.
Or another way to look at it.
A way for valve to gather(and sell/lose) information from your tv aswell as your pc.
Nice idea, wake me if it takes off in any meaningful way.
Happy to be a late adopter on this one, if it goes anywhere at all.
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
One thing to know though, is that installing a Linux-based OS for the first time will be like discovering Windows for the first time. You'll be lost, not exactly sure what you're supposed to do and what kind of programs to download, but once you've figured out the basics, Linux is really awesome. Ubuntu is relatively new-user friendly, albeit the Unity Shell (more complicated than that, but basically it acts as the interface) is known to cause some slow downs in 12.10, not sure how it is in 13.04 but just in case, it's best to use the Gnome Shell. All of these things will make sense with time.
Besides, you can always dual boot, or run Linux on a virtual machine so you don't use too much space, and you can mess around with the OS to your hearts content.
A gaming-oriented Linux distribution backed by a big corporation is certainly an intriguing possibility. The real question is whether you can get enough games to release for it.
You can indisputably make a computer cheaper if you can skip buying a Windows license, so there could be a real market for this. If you can get a double-digit market share among gamers, a lot of gaming studios will quickly discover that they don't actually need DirectX or Microsoft Visual Studio, and AMD and Nvidia will focus a lot more on their Linux drivers. So long as Linux is sub-1% of the gaming market, however, game developers will feel free to ignore it.
If most games run just as well on Linux as Windows, do you really need Windows anymore? Do you really want to pay an extra $100 for a license that only gets you the option to play a handful of Windows-exclusive games? If Valve can pull this off, Microsoft could be in big trouble in a hurry.
Of course, there's also the question of whether Linux is really ready for the spotlight. Today, for consumers, Linux is more secure than Windows because nearly all malware targets Windows. But if most consumers ran Linux, the malware would follow. Can open source without an army of coders being paid to fix bugs and write drivers really do so as well as Microsoft does? Or could open source do better?
I can confidently predict that the shift won't halfway happen. Either the software will go to Linux and the world will mostly move to Linux and leave Windows as an afterthought for consumer use, or else there won't be enough software available and Steam OS will be worth less than the purchase price of free.
In an unrelated story, I halfway expect that a coming Windows patch will break Steam. As the old saying goes, "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run."
Gabe Newell touched on this a little a little in a recent presentation he made at LinuxCon which is worth watching (24 minutes long).
Basically, it's not just sufficient for Valve to make an OS, they've had to work with AMD and Nvidia to improve drivers, they've been helping improve OpenGL and are currently working on improving the sound. They've also been asking around to different developer studios to see what those studios believe Valve should work on first in order to give incentive for developers to start developing for Linux, and as a result Valve are currently working on a Linux Debugger as well.
It is, to say the least, a massive undertaking for Valve, so it will be interesting to see where it leads. I don't see SteamOS getting a lot of major games from other studios for quite a while longer (although Valve has mentioned that they will unveil an AAA title coming to SteamOS soon, whatever it might be), but I think Valve can pull it off.
At least I'll certainly be installing SteamOS on my computer as soon as it comes out. Will start with dual booting it first though
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
One thing to know though, is that installing a Linux-based OS for the first time will be like discovering Windows for the first time. You'll be lost, not exactly sure what you're supposed to do and what kind of programs to download, but once you've figured out the basics, Linux is really awesome. Ubuntu is relatively new-user friendly, albeit the Unity Shell (more complicated than that, but basically it acts as the interface) is known to cause some slow downs in 12.10, not sure how it is in 13.04 but just in case, it's best to use the Gnome Shell. All of these things will make sense with time.
Besides, you can always dual boot, or run Linux on a virtual machine so you don't use too much space, and you can mess around with the OS to your hearts content.
As gaming goes Linux does not do "pretty much everything windows does" because Linux is missing this thing called Direct X.@snarlingwolf Wow its really been 2 years since portal 2... Lots of people seem to be enjoying DOTA2 which is valves most recent title, I've not tried it myself but globally a lot of people play it. Personally I would really like Halflife 3 or even Halflife 2 opposing force 2 / Blue shift 2 made by valve running paralel to HL2 storyline.
I did say "the only exception would be video games"...
If I had to bet what AAA title it going to be I would say Half Life 3.
I've got confidence in Valve, steam is a great platform, it's been good to gamers and Gabe has a better grasp on the higher concepts of making gaming better for everyone by working to shave the roadblocks put in the way of perfomance.
I'd love a dual boot linux based OS that could support steam titles, something that trims out all the bloat.
Listen to the interview Gabe did with the nerdist podcast, it's very interesting how his thoughts are moving these days and what he wants to accomplish with Linux and making gaming less bogged down by platforms and OS issues.
He seems generally sick and tired of the compatibility issues apple and windows throw up to keep each other in check and how it impacts gaming.
It will be more interesting when it releases, and we see what the hardware support looks like.
Linux is notorious for poor graphics drivers, and for gaming, that's the meat and potatoes of the business. If Steam has some deal here, either writing their own drivers or getting the GPU manufacturers to provide good drivers, it could be a game changer. If they are relying on the same old driver support we've had in the past, or the open source community to provide drivers, this will pretty much just be another headline with no substance.
Wrong argument. SteamOS won't be running wine ...
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I did say "the only exception would be video games"...
TRUE but you made that statement in a thread about a gaming specific Linux distro, context is importantWould love to have a real competitor to MS for a gaming OS but their stranglehold on DX has made it neigh on impossible.
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You know that HDMI is, techically, streaming from your computer to a TV.
Streaming trough ethernet is no diferent, specially when there are gigabit cables and routers.