Pub 27 and some really cool stuff coming

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by Wepps
Whaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!WHAAAA WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA!Whaaaa whaaa wepps whaaaa WHAAA WHAAAAA!What a crybaby. "I didn't get my way, now I'm going to camp every website out there and whine about SOE."Do you have a point to make, or am I just reaping the rewards of really good diaper stocks for no reason?Honest to God. I have NEVER seen such a bunch of weak pussies as you crybaby vets, marginalized by SOE. You are just losers of the highest calibre. You offer NOTHING but CONSTANT WHINING!It'd be a regular miracle if you could hold down a job at McDonalds, let alone not slip and kill yourself on all the shed tears.I swear to god, it's JUST LIKE LIVING IN A NURSERY. Well, you sound like an idiot, I'll bet you act like this in real life too and that's why you hide in your room now. Getting beat up at recess is no way to spend your spare time.

Funny as I have seen plenty of non whining reports and protests from many SWG vets, a great many points are being made about why people should stay away from the game. I am glad to see such a great number of vets who have indeed earned a right to come to these forums or any other SWG forums and state their complaints and points about it.
I now see that you once again turn your own frustration into name calling as to try and discourage SOE protesters and you say we are weak pussies LMAO.
Ya sure youre the only one who has a right here, youre the all-knowing SWG ex-correspondent guru and your what 900 years old as well??? Bwaha
You offer nothing except wimpy support reports of a failing MMORPG that the TRUE vets know not to trust anymore.
And Im sure youre the only one of us who still has his job as McDonalds.

valkyrie36 · December 2005

Originally posted by Warsong

Originally posted by Wepps
Whaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

WHAAAA WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA!
Whaaaa whaaa wepps whaaaa WHAAA WHAAAAA!
What a crybaby. "I didn't get my way, now I'm going to camp every website out there and whine about SOE."
Do you have a point to make, or am I just reaping the rewards of really good diaper stocks for no reason?
Honest to God. I have NEVER seen such a bunch of weak pussies as you crybaby vets, marginalized by SOE. You are just losers of the highest calibre. You offer NOTHING but CONSTANT WHINING!
It'd be a regular miracle if you could hold down a job at McDonalds, let alone not slip and kill yourself on all the shed tears.
I swear to god, it's JUST LIKE LIVING IN A NURSERY.
Well, you sound like an idiot, I'll bet you act like this in real life too and that's why you hide in your room now. Getting beat up at recess is no way to spend your spare time.

Funny as I have seen plenty of non whining reports and protests from many SWG vets, a great many points are being made about why people should stay away from the game. I am glad to see such a great number of vets who have indeed earned a right to come to these forums or any other SWG forums and state their complaints and points about it.
I now see that you once again turn your own frustration into name calling as to try and discourage SOE protesters and you say we are weak pussies LMAO.
Ya sure youre the only one who has a right here, youre the all-knowing SWG ex-correspondent guru and your what 900 years old as well??? Bwaha
You offer nothing except wimpy support reports of a failing MMORPG that the TRUE vets know not to trust anymore.
And Im sure youre the only one of us who still has his job as McDonalds.

Hey...how did you quote a deleted post?

But really...to OP of it...

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by valkyrie36
Originally posted by Warsong Originally posted by WeppsWhaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!WHAAAA WHAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA!
Whaaaa whaaa wepps whaaaa WHAAA WHAAAAA!
What a crybaby. "I didn't get my way, now I'm going to camp every website out there and whine about SOE."
Do you have a point to make, or am I just reaping the rewards of really good diaper stocks for no reason?
Honest to God. I have NEVER seen such a bunch of weak pussies as you crybaby vets, marginalized by SOE. You are just losers of the highest calibre. You offer NOTHING but CONSTANT WHINING!
It'd be a regular miracle if you could hold down a job at McDonalds, let alone not slip and kill yourself on all the shed tears.
I swear to god, it's JUST LIKE LIVING IN A NURSERY.
Well, you sound like an idiot, I'll bet you act like this in real life too and that's why you hide in your room now. Getting beat up at recess is no way to spend your spare time.Funny as I have seen plenty of non whining reports and protests from many SWG vets, a great many points are being made about why people should stay away from the game. I am glad to see such a great number of vets who have indeed earned a right to come to these forums or any other SWG forums and state their complaints and points about it.I now see that you once again turn your own frustration into name calling as to try and discourage SOE protesters and you say we are weak pussies LMAO.Ya sure youre the only one who has a right here, youre the all-knowing SWG ex-correspondent guru and your what 900 years old as well??? BwahaYou offer nothing except wimpy support reports of a failing MMORPG that the TRUE vets know not to trust anymore.And Im sure youre the only one of us who still has his job as McDonalds.
Hey...how did you quote a deleted post?
But really...to OP of it...

I guess I was typing while it was getting deleted...my bad lol ::::01::

anarchyart · December 2005

Warsong, name calling is beneath you, as it is below every other member of this forum. I hope you can see through his ire, that Wepps point is a valid one.

Being constructive is important, even regarding a game that you refuse to play, as it shows that you are an intelligent being, thus making yourself look good, lending credibility to your opinions on this forum. If you don't think it matters what people think about you, I would suggest that you are wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Simply complaining over and over without the offer of any constructive thought, does nothing to improve anything, which it is, I assume, your goal: to improve the game or at the very least the world of MMORPG's as a whole.

Also, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart
Warsong, name calling is beneath you, as it is below every other member of this forum. I hope you can see through his ire, that Wepps point is a valid one.
Being constructive is important, even regarding a game that you refuse to play, as it shows that you are an intelligent being, thus making yourself look good, lending credibility to your opinions on this forum. If you don't think it matters what people think about you, I would suggest that you are wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Simply complaining over and over without the offer of any constructive thought, does nothing to improve anything, which it is, I assume, your goal: to improve the game or at the very least the world of MMORPG's as a whole.
Also, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.

Seeing a point and or validating it all boils down to an individual perspective or perception does it not?
Being constructive is very important and also is the ability to recognize a constructive criticism in any of its many varied forms.
One of my goals is to warn others away from SOE/SWG in its current state as it is poorly managed to the point of open display of disregarding long term customers wants and wishes (after all they paid the bills for 2.5 years) as well as deceitful business practices.
There are a great many people who are SW fans as well as MMORPG fans who were betrayed (or certainly feel that way) by SOE. Many realize that its just a matter of time now before SWG flops or the next big nerf of it comes because any of us know that arent still in denial that in its current state they do not have nor will get the amount of customers as defined by their goals. The sooner the few remaining supporters realize this and discontinue their financial backing of this dying game, the sooner the SW-MMORPG fans/customers at large can get a better company to produce the SW saga MMORPG or at the very least a change of staff at SOE regarding SWG to help things get on a respectable track that the public can trust.
Until then the protest continues by way of very valid reasons to protest SOEs current management of SWG.

PS. IMO the game really does suck ATM BTW, I have played it and still have RL friends giving me updates about playing it and every one of them concurs :P and oh ya, I just saved a bunch of money by canceling my SWG accounts.

valkyrie36 · December 2005

If people really want to change the world of MMORPG's, than they would stop supporting companies like SOE. There are many examples of decent MMO companies out there that at least balance the cash with the customers needs that should be established as the example over SOE.

SOE will never get better if people keep sucking in everything SOE dishes out. I strongly believe that the changes being made to SWG right now are due to the critics not to the cheerleaders.

Actually, its a fact if you read Smedly's announcements.

He claims that the NGE was created due to unsatisfied customers that left. Well thats great, but how do we get SOE to change its poor customer service and questionable bussiness practices now? We do the same thing. We give bad reviews, unsubscribe and get the word out about these faults.

Every complaint does not require a constructive solution to be valid. We are the customers not a paid employee, so its our role to let them know what stinks and its their role to fix it. Capitalism takes care of the rest.

grinreaper · December 2005

So, back to the OP....all this activity is the equivlent of an abusive husband saying 'Oh, baby, things will be better this time, I promise' and bringing home flowers....and all the fanbois standing there, with stiches and bruises, ready to take em back. It is just so sad ::::16::

duncan_922 · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart

Warsong, name calling is beneath you, as it is below every other member of this forum. I hope you can see through his ire, that Wepps point is a valid one.
Being constructive is important, even regarding a game that you refuse to play, as it shows that you are an intelligent being, thus making yourself look good, lending credibility to your opinions on this forum. If you don't think it matters what people think about you, I would suggest that you are wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Simply complaining over and over without the offer of any constructive thought, does nothing to improve anything, which it is, I assume, your goal: to improve the game or at the very least the world of MMORPG's as a whole.
Also, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.

AA, let me just say first that it's great to see that it's possible to have a civil discussion with you and my opinion of you has changed.

While I agree that beign constructive is important. I believe that it is also important, maybe of greater importance to be able to express your views, as long as it's in a civil manner. Giving an opinion on where I think you might be right or wrong is an important part of these forums. I mean, why would you post your views on a public forum if you don't want them to be challenged, better to keep them to yourself then. (And I don't mean you directly) Just today I had to back down and apologize on another thread because I was posting about something that I was missing information on. So you can recommend SWG to every poster here, and I could recommend against it, and we can argue about it until the end of time as long as it's in a civil manner. After all, we are both paying the same amount for access to these forums right?

Scaris · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart

Also, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.

lol! AA the jokes are so left field they come all the way back around to right! *chuckles* Another good plug...

kefkah · December 2005

Well, again here is a short take of this thread and the current state of things as I see it:

1. Wepps started this thread to tell the community of the updates that SOE is putting out for the game. I am quite sure that he didn't post it to convince us disgruntled vets of any SWG era to come back. The thread would be targetted to those who are not concerned about SOE's past actions nor how the game was once played. These people are either playing or are sitting on the fence about playing.

Our negative feedback which is well documented on this forum as well as many others really serves no purpose in this thread but in fact makes us look like a pack of wolves. Those who would read this article probably have already read our thoughts and know each poster's viewpoints and if they continue to read it - then they could really care less.

2. I suggest that we should try a different approach to this forum. Say if someone has a positive topic based on posting information then we leave that thread alone. Let those who would read it do so in their current mindset and leave it at that.

However, if we want to take said information and break it down piece by piece for its faults - we the detractors of said game and information should start our own thread. Flame wars and derailing will be reduced and the readers will know exactly what they are getting themselves into. I know that I tend to read the top 5 threads no matter what and so our opinion will not be overlooked especially if the title states our purpose say like - Here is What Is Wrong With Publish 2.XXX.

In the end, everyone gets what they want to say, and our forum will be the better for it. Don't get me wrong - I am all about pointing out the flaws of a person's statement but in the end every single thread in this forum is starting to bleed together and look like pink tighty whities. A mix of repetitive opinions and personal feuds.

Not a tree hugger or a peace bringer - just think that this is starting to become like hearing the Alaskan weather forecast from both sides.

anarchyart · December 2005

Thanks fade, I'll be here all week. Be sure to check out the drink specials, friday night is Mango Madness.

Back to the point at hand, what's done is done. I love the ideas they are coming up with though, as per publish 27. Really just hope they continue to squash bugs and tighten up the code. It's doable.

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by kefkah
Well, again here is a short take of this thread and the current state of things as I see it:
1. Wepps started this thread to tell the community of the updates that SOE is putting out for the game. I am quite sure that he didn't post it to convince us disgruntled vets of any SWG era to come back. The thread would be targetted to those who are not concerned about SOE's past actions nor how the game was once played. These people are either playing or are sitting on the fence about playing. Thats merely an assumption on your part as you limit it to only two types of people that may view this or any other thread. People who read this could and probably are people who may be thinking of trying the game, people who are following whats happening with the game and do care, people who are trying to tell other people who may not know not to trust SOE/SWG and that the current producers push promises, fixes, enhancements, publishes that are riddled with bugged codes that any of the unknowing current players in all likelihood wont really get to enjoy at its full potential. There are many aspects to why people would read a thread and many reasons why people would respond, these are just a few but not limited to.
Our negative feedback which is well documented on this forum as well as many others really serves no purpose in this thread but in fact makes us look like a pack of wolves. Those who would read this article probably have already read our thoughts and know each poster's viewpoints and if they continue to read it - then they could really care less.
Labeling feedback as negative is yet again a perspective based on perception and these widely vary with each individual. I could also state that the support or SWG is negative to a protesters point of view.
2. I suggest that we should try a different approach to this forum. Say if someone has a positive topic based on posting information then we leave that thread alone. Let those who would read it do so in their current mindset and leave it at that.
It is most likely that this suggestion wont happen, people have opinions and they will declare them in any thread if they feel a need or want to. If this was most other games your suggestion may fly but this is the SWG forums and the management of SWG led by SOE has made serious errors in their business practices regarding their customers and it will not die any time soon Im sure.
However, if we want to take said information and break it down piece by piece for its faults - we the detractors of said game and information should start our own thread. Flame wars and derailing will be reduced and the readers will know exactly what they are getting themselves into. I know that I tend to read the top 5 threads no matter what and so our opinion will not be overlooked especially if the title states our purpose say like - Here is What Is Wrong With Publish 2.XXX.
In the end, everyone gets what they want to say, and our forum will be the better for it. Don't get me wrong - I am all about pointing out the flaws of a person's statement but in the end every single thread in this forum is starting to bleed together and look like pink tighty whities. A mix of repetitive opinions and personal feuds.
Not a tree hugger or a peace bringer - just think that this is starting to become like hearing the Alaskan weather forecast from both sides.

Again in all likelihood the people who have a vested interest in this game or its topics have a passion for it and whether you view it as good or bad, positive or negative makes very little difference unless your point of view is omnipotent. Its this very passion pro or con which brings richness to life in any area. Let people be people and enjoy the diversity of varied opinions and healthy debates Any repetition of protesting walks the same line as any repetition or SWG support.

kefkah · December 2005

Originally posted by Warsong

Originally posted by kefkah
Well, again here is a short take of this thread and the current state of things as I see it:
1. Wepps started this thread to tell the community of the updates that SOE is putting out for the game. I am quite sure that he didn't post it to convince us disgruntled vets of any SWG era to come back. The thread would be targetted to those who are not concerned about SOE's past actions nor how the game was once played. These people are either playing or are sitting on the fence about playing.

Thats merely an assumption on your part as you limit it to only two types of people that may view this or any other thread. People who read this could and probably are people who may be thinking of trying the game, people who are following whats happening with the game and do care, people who are trying to tell other people who may not know not to trust SOE/SWG and that the current producers push promises, fixes, enhancements, publishes that are riddled with bugged codes that any of the unknowing current players in all likelihood wont really get to enjoy at its full potential. There are many aspects to why people would read a thread and many reasons why people would respond, these are just a few but not limited to.
Take a look at everyone who has posted in this thread, Warsong. Call it assumption but I base my statements upon the evidence presented before me. The majority of those who have posted to this thread have voiced their opinion in detail in other threads. We could break it down member by member but again, I prefer to keep it somewhat simple. Now this is not to say that all who have read this have posted but again, the main point still remains what was the INTENT of the THREAD to begin with? Wepps can answer this and I guess I am left to assume that he did not post it to be involved in what would later become a mud slinging contest the eventually brought in a moderator to threaten a lock.
It is my belief that his intent of this post was to inform those who want to play as those who are sitting on the fence. Assumptions don't have to be wrong. We could go into a semantics debate all week but that would be the equivalent of a Kas and Vecna domain.

Our negative feedback which is well documented on this forum as well as many others really serves no purpose in this thread but in fact makes us look like a pack of wolves. Those who would read this article probably have already read our thoughts and know each poster's viewpoints and if they continue to read it - then they could really care less.

Labeling feedback as negative is yet again a perspective based on perception and these widely vary with each individual. I could also state that the support or SWG is negative to a protesters point of view.
I take it you want me to be even more detailed. Original intent of post was a positive approach to the Publish. Responses in contrast would then by nature be negative to the intent. In say another thread with an anti-soe message, pro soe comments would be negative to the intent of that thread. You can generalize it, water it down, blur the edges but the fact is that many of these threads' messages are lost in derails and personal attacks which comes from both sides. And then after the thread is knocked to page 2, we start all over again. If you want to state that personal attacks are in fact a valid form of dialogue and a matter of perception please feel free to enlighten me of its finer aspects. Guess its a matter of POV.

2. I suggest that we should try a different approach to this forum. Say if someone has a positive topic based on posting information then we leave that thread alone. Let those who would read it do so in their current mindset and leave it at that.

It is most likely that this suggestion wont happen, people have opinions and they will declare them in any thread if they feel a need or want to. If this was most other games your suggestion may fly but this is the SWG forums and the management of SWG led by SOE has made serious errors in their business practices regarding their customers and it will not die any time soon Im sure.
I am not a thought nazi nor a forum moderator. People are free to declare thier opinion in any thread that they wish. But again, you miss the point - we keep dropping the same tombstones in threads. Yeah, we get clever zingers and pundits but still its all to the point of being a dead horse especially when its a thread that was not intended to be anything but an informative post.
In case you have missed my other posts, I am not an SOE fan. I fought hard against the CU and walked away from the game because of the way I was treated. Had my hopes up for the ranger revamp and then came the NGE. I would go into detail as to why I felt betrayed and how long I played and so on but you know what - I have already said it in like 30 of my other posts. People who read the threads know this and restating this info is a waste of my time and the readers. And in this thread, it makes no sense to do so because it is off topic.

However, if we want to take said information and break it down piece by piece for its faults - we the detractors of said game and information should start our own thread. Flame wars and derailing will be reduced and the readers will know exactly what they are getting themselves into. I know that I tend to read the top 5 threads no matter what and so our opinion will not be overlooked especially if the title states our purpose say like - Here is What Is Wrong With Publish 2.XXX.
In the end, everyone gets what they want to say, and our forum will be the better for it. Don't get me wrong - I am all about pointing out the flaws of a person's statement but in the end every single thread in this forum is starting to bleed together and look like pink tighty whities. A mix of repetitive opinions and personal feuds.
Not a tree hugger or a peace bringer - just think that this is starting to become like hearing the Alaskan weather forecast from both sides.

Again in all likelihood the people who have a vested interest in this game or its topics have a passion for it and whether you view it as good or bad, positive or negative makes very little difference unless your point of view is omnipotent. Its this very passion pro or con which brings richness to life in any area. Let people be people and enjoy the diversity of varied opinions and healthy debates Any repetition of protesting walks the same line as any repetition or SWG support.

Both sides of the coin have invested in this game. I would even say that this game has stirred the MOST passion of any mmorpg in existence. This very passion you mention is good for debate but then again is lost when placed in the areas. Who caught that very valid and true point back in page 5 of the ZOMG This Game Roxxs thread? If their passions are enflamed - whats to stop them from starting their own threads where the intent is made clear and is an invitation for such debate.

Again, I will be redundant for the sake of redundancy and state - when a thread becomes derailed and posts that follow it are not on topic to the intent of the post - whats the point? Then again, these are assumptions and should be discounted as such.

BTW, Wepps - sorry about the hashing this out in this thread. Will take this elsewhere.

chronictron · December 2005

Its still all dead to me...no hope...best to cancel yer accounts and save a lil money till they shut the whole thing down...

Emerz'on...Radiant server...account....TERMINATED....

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by kefkah
Both sides of the coin have invested in this game. I would even say that this game has stirred the MOST passion of any mmorpg in existence. This very passion you mention is good for debate but then again is lost when placed in the areas. Who caught that very valid and true point back in page 5 of the ZOMG This Game Roxxs thread? If their passions are enflamed - whats to stop them from starting their own threads where the intent is made clear and is an invitation for such debate.
Again, I will be redundant for the sake of redundancy and state - when a thread becomes derailed and posts that follow it are not on topic to the intent of the post - whats the point? Then again, these are assumptions and should be discounted as such.
BTW, Wepps - sorry about the hashing this out in this thread. Will take this elsewhere.

So then I can assume that it is Wepps disposition to try and stir excitement about the NGE as to populate the SWG servers by posting something that one can easily follow on the SWG forums that SOE provides on the forums here that the MMO gaming community looks to, to hear whats good and bad about a game and discuss and or debate it.

So it goes like this , he posts what he reads there then posts it here and declares his excitement or whatever and a very large part of the posting community here replies with things like Wait we have heard this before, its just another SWG publish filled with bugs and half empty promises, wake up people why should we/you still believe or trust this management? and then you point out suggestions of what you think we should do and what you think we seem like yaddi yadda and suggest a different format.

Thats all good and well but it wont happen and I suggest that if you want to hear just one side of it go to the SOE-SWG forums and they will be happy to accommodate you by deleting every negative outlook or opinion on the matter so everything can smell like flowers when you stand over sh|t. And then you can come to forums not run by SOE and hear truths about it that you wont hear from SOE and the few supporters they have left and you can hear them over and over again because SOE has outraged their customers that not only want/wanted to play but did play and put food on their table for 2.5 years.for freakin redundancies sake.

Darkknight35 · December 2005

i like the red white and blue

Skylighter9 · December 2005

Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game? Cripes, it's like watching fanboys compare PS2 with XBox.

I don't care what anyone else does, but I love Star Wars and I love SWG and I love my friends on it. I don't care how much SOE drags the game through the mud, because I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play". Call me a blind fan if you want, but the game has never stopped being enjoyable for me. If there's an aspect of the game that I don't like, then alright. I'll never stop playing and just have faith that SOE will fix things. Nothing is set in stone.

And everyone can have their own opinions, by why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it? Fine, then don't, but leave the rest of us that enjoy it alone. Go play WoW, EQ2, CoH or whatever you like and stay off our forums. We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news. So take your hate and go somewhere else. It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.

anarchyart · December 2005

Originally posted by Skylighter9

Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game? Cripes, it's like watching fanboys compare PS2 with XBox.
I don't care what anyone else does, but I love Star Wars and I love SWG and I love my friends on it. I don't care how much SOE drags the game through the mud, because I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play". Call me a blind fan if you want, but the game has never stopped being enjoyable for me. If there's an aspect of the game that I don't like, then alright. I'll never stop playing and just have faith that SOE will fix things. Nothing is set in stone.
And everyone can have their own opinions, by why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it? Fine, then don't, but leave the rest of us that enjoy it alone. Go play WoW, EQ2, CoH or whatever you like and stay off our forums. We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news. So take your hate and go somewhere else. It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.

Because they are crusaders fighting for truth, justice, and the american way.To the troll-mobile!

Skylighter9 · December 2005

I really don't believe there is any excuse to troll.

If you don't like Pakistan, then don't visit it. That simple. (P.S., that's a metaphor)

SonOfAGhost · December 2005

Originally posted by Skylighter9
Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game?
No, actually, no we can't. SOE worked long and hard to make sure that we can't enjoy the game. All we can do is fight for the earlies possible arrival of SWG2. Why do you want to prevent the SWG fans from playing the game by helping SOE try to hold onto the licence?
I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play".
So cancel your account to help hasten the arrival of SWG2 and you can again play that game. The game you claim to be loyal to no longer exists. I'm not going to get into pledging loyalty to a game other than to suggest that you might want to talk to somebody about that, seriously.
Call me a blind fan if you want
Blind doesn't begin to cover it.
why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it?
This is the problem with most of the SOE cheerleaders, they don't understand that we DO want to play it, but we CAN'T play it until it's crappy replacement is cancelled and SWG2 is made.
We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news.
Apparently the SOE cheerleaders DO need to be reminded because you still don't get it. You say you know, but it's quite apparent that you don't comprehend. SWG is dead, that's current, not old news, until such time as all interested parties know and understand that.
It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.
I've got news for you it's part of your past too. It's those that have stuck with SOE that don't care about SWG. SWG no longer exists, they have another shoddy and underpopulated product they misleadingly call SWG but it bears very little resemblence to that game.

Obraik · December 2005

Originally posted by SonOfAGhost

Originally posted by Skylighter9
Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game?
No, actually, no we can't. SOE worked long and hard to make sure that we can't enjoy the game. All we can do is fight for the earlies possible arrival of SWG2. Why do you want to prevent the SWG fans from playing the game by helping SOE try to hold onto the licence?

I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play".
So cancel your account to help hasten the arrival of SWG2 and you can again play that game. The game you claim to be loyal to no longer exists. I'm not going to get into pledging loyalty to a game other than to suggest that you might want to talk to somebody about that, seriously.
Call me a blind fan if you want
Blind doesn't begin to cover it.
why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it?
This is the problem with most of the SOE cheerleaders, they don't understand that we DO want to play it, but we CAN'T play it until it's crappy replacement is cancelled and SWG2 is made.
We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news.
Apparently the SOE cheerleaders DO need to be reminded because you still don't get it. You say you know, but it's quite apparent that you don't comprehend. SWG is dead, that's current, not old news, until such time as all interested parties know and understand that.
It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.
I've got news for you it's part of your past too. It's those that have stuck with SOE that don't care about SWG. SWG no longer exists, they have another shoddy and underpopulated product they misleadingly call SWG but it bears very little resemblence to that game.

Any company who makes SWG 2 whether it be SOE or some other is going to have to deal with LucasArts. Since LucasArts has as much to do with SWG as SOE and is one of the main driving forces behind the NGE, what makes you think SWG2 will satisfy you any better then the current SWG?

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by SonOfAGhost Originally posted by Skylighter9Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game?No, actually, no we can't. SOE worked long and hard to make sure that we can't enjoy the game. All we can do is fight for the earlies possible arrival of SWG2. Why do you want to prevent the SWG fans from playing the game by helping SOE try to hold onto the licence?I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play".So cancel your account to help hasten the arrival of SWG2 and you can again play that game. The game you claim to be loyal to no longer exists. I'm not going to get into pledging loyalty to a game other than to suggest that you might want to talk to somebody about that, seriously.
Call me a blind fan if you wantBlind doesn't begin to cover it.
why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it?This is the problem with most of the SOE cheerleaders, they don't understand that we DO want to play it, but we CAN'T play it until it's crappy replacement is cancelled and SWG2 is made.
We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news.Apparently the SOE cheerleaders DO need to be reminded because you still don't get it. You say you know, but it's quite apparent that you don't comprehend. SWG is dead, that's current, not old news, until such time as all interested parties know and understand that.
It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.I've got news for you it's part of your past too. It's those that have stuck with SOE that don't care about SWG. SWG no longer exists, they have another shoddy and underpopulated product they misleadingly call SWG but it bears very little resemblence to that game.Any company who makes SWG 2 whether it be SOE or some other is going to have to deal with LucasArts. Since LucasArts has as much to do with SWG as SOE and is one of the main driving forces behind the NGE, what makes you think SWG2 will satisfy you any better then the current SWG?

What makes you think LA will be satisfied with SWG in its current state with now less customers in its history? For those challenged by denial that means for them(SOE/LA) its about the money and if they were not happy before what in hell do you think will happen now? ::::12::

Skylighter9 · December 2005

Originally posted by SonOfAGhost

Originally posted by Skylighter9
Can't you people just STOP fighting and enjoy the damn game?
No, actually, no we can't. SOE worked long and hard to make sure that we can't enjoy the game. All we can do is fight for the earlies possible arrival of SWG2. Why do you want to prevent the SWG fans from playing the game by helping SOE try to hold onto the licence? SWG2? You must be refering to some mystical, fantasy game that's completely imaginary, because I've heard heard of any pre-production on any such thing. Here's a News Flash: LA or any other company isn't going to make a sequel to a game that does badly in sales. Cancelling your account is only getting you FURTHER from this imaginary sequel.
As it is, no company will make SWG2 if they KNOW people are cancelling accounts on SWG. NGE be damned, that's the way business is.

I decided to pledge my loyalty to SWG when I first heard about it. I pointed at it and said "That is the MMORPG that I want to play".
So cancel your account to help hasten the arrival of SWG2 and you can again play that game. The game you claim to be loyal to no longer exists. I'm not going to get into pledging loyalty to a game other than to suggest that you might want to talk to somebody about that, seriously. Let's see... play a game I like NOW, or cancel my account and wait two years for them to make SWG2. Let's forget the fact that a SWG2 isn't even guaranteed. Sounds like fool's gold. The game I'm loyal to DOES exist. Your opinion says it does not simply because of the existence of a NGE that you dislike.
Call me a blind fan if you want
Blind doesn't begin to cover it. Neither does your reply.
why come here on our topic and flame SWG and it's company? You don't want to pay $14.99 to play it?
This is the problem with most of the SOE cheerleaders, they don't understand that we DO want to play it, but we CAN'T play it until it's crappy replacement is cancelled and SWG2 is made. So just because I like playing SWG, that makes me a cheerleader? I love stereotyping!
We DON'T need to be reminded 24/7 on how SOE dropped the ball. We KNOW that. It's old news.
Apparently the SOE cheerleaders DO need to be reminded because you still don't get it. You say you know, but it's quite apparent that you don't comprehend. SWG is dead, that's current, not old news, until such time as all interested parties know and understand that. I think it's YOU who doesn't get it. We don't care. The hype is over. Everyone who will cancel their account has done it by now. Everyone who will continue to play has, by now, decided that no amount of trolls or flamers will change their mind. Stop being martyr. It's not OUR fault you deleted your character because you couldn't cope with change. Why should we have to put up with the backlash? Send your angst to SOE, not us.
It's a part of your past. Those of us that have stuck with it with discuss SWG.
I've got news for you it's part of your past too. It's those that have stuck with SOE that don't care about SWG. SWG no longer exists, they have another shoddy and underpopulated product they misleadingly call SWG but it bears very little resemblence to that game. Oh, so now you're calling me a traitor? Don't that beat all? Suddenly, this has become a nation... not a game. I instantly make enemies just because I have fun playing a game. And who's right is it to say what IS or ISN'T SWG? What is the true SWG? Pre-CU? Post-NGE? How can we truthfully answer this question and who was the AUTHORITY to make such a decision? The people who play the game? The people who designed the game? Neither side can answer because both will be biased, so don't even try to do so.

n2k3156 · December 2005

Originally posted by Skylighter9

I really don't believe there is any excuse to troll.

Boredom?

kefkah · December 2005

Originally posted by Warsong

Thats all good and well but it wont happen and I suggest that if you want to hear just one side of it go to the SOE-SWG forums and they will be happy to accommodate you by deleting every negative outlook or opinion on the matter so everything can smell like flowers when you stand over sh|t. And then you can come to forums not run by SOE and hear truths about it that you wont hear from SOE and the few supporters they have left and you can hear them over and over again because SOE has outraged their customers that not only want/wanted to play but did play and put food on their table for 2.5 years.for freakin redundancies sake.

Funny part is that you again ignored the point. Did I say delete? Did I say I wanted flowery? And what is truth? Like you said - its a matter of perspective and mindset. To AA - truth is he is enjoying himself. To you - you aren't. I don't pay them anymore and I am well aware that their forums are heavy handed and biased. That is there and it will stay there. I am talking here at mmorpg.com. A place where people come to hear different ideas and opinions. Good and the bad true. Problem is that threads in the SWG forum tend to turn into the same old reheated dinner. What you said in the paragraph above isn't new to anyone here. 2.5 years, paid their bills, led us on...a quick price check in my forum posts and gasp...I have posted the same things myself and I would bet farmer's gold that it has ben mentioned nigh on 100 times within a 14 day period. Back to that reduncancy thing.

It reminds me of this guy I knew who played football in high school. Years later, no matter what the conversation was it always turned into the football covnversation. "Hey, I bought a video card." "Great, do you remember the time when I threw that 15 yard pass..." "Hey your wife gave birth to a boy..." "Great, maybe he can pass like his old man back in that game..."

Welcome to Nick At Night Rerun hell.

I like reading a good dig on SOE. The New York Times article was a blast though a bit uneven in approach. Every review that gets posted here - I read it and forward it on to my old SWG guildies. I smile because the CU was shrugged off and no one seemed to want to cover hit. Heck, I remember trying to call out the CU reviewer here on this site about what I thought was SOE bias. Still, I brought this all up a few pages back because on topic thread discussion seems to have flown out the window and personal attacks seem to be the only things that are covered after two pages no matter what the original topic was.

Want to post your thoughts? Think that you have a new gripe that no one else has thought of? Want to warn that mass of new players who look to this forum to decide whether or not to play SWG? Then start a thread - call it Dont play this game and here are the reasons why AND keep bumping it every day. They can't miss it and it won't get lost in page 8 of "Pub 27 and some really cool stuff coming" threads. Outside of that, you will get the same people agreeing to your points but then again, thats preaching to the choir.

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