If Smed can deliver the goods, I'll give him another chance. I'll put my faith in SOE over...say...NCsoft, EA or Zynga. Not by a lot, mind you, but just a bit more.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by Grunty The bitter SWG vets have sworn to never touch anything made by Sony Online Entertainment or John Smedley.
I did? I don't recall ever making that oath. I have every intention of playing Landmark, maybe even Next but its too early to tell with that game.
Also, Smedley did not make SWG, Raph Koster did.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Sounds good! Based on Smed's comment, it sounds like a game I'll want to play.
I'm hoping for pet and mount breeding, an Entertainer class, city building, an amazing crafting system, uber housing, fun world events, all kinds of SWG-type gameplay elements etc.
If Smed can deliver the goods, I'll give him another chance. I'll put my faith in SOE over...say...NCsoft, EA or Zynga. Not by a lot, mind you, but just a bit more.
Actually, scratch that. Smed's no better than the others (just read the closure announcements just now).
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I know a couple who would be happy if that game were revived.
I never played it but heard the crafting was top tier otherwise I'm not interested in space games.
Problem is all they make are free games so I wouldn't try it if they released that way.
Anyway - what weird news, first they say they are chunking their pricing to include all titles then they announce closing multiple titles. How is that an incentive. At least they are close enough together that people couldn't say they weren't warned.
The only part of it that was "space game" was the first expansion. Otherwise most gameplay took place on giant planets like most MMO's out there. Except there were several planets, and each one was bigger than your typical MMO these days.
Even after the expansion, >80% of the game play was land based.
They already had a MMO dedicated to SWG players, it was called SWG.
Yeah, but the real SWG only lasted for two years. NGE doesn't count.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole if Smedley has anything to do with it...also, will believe it when we see it. I think he's telling lies to gain street cred.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Originally posted by Grunty The bitter SWG vets have sworn to never touch anything made by Sony Online Entertainment or John Smedley.
Not every SWG fan is a bitter hater in 2014.
I know I was mad about what happened, but good riddance it was years ago. Time to let go and look ahead. I like the idea to make something resembling SWG again. If I would boycott every company which ever disappointed me at a time, I could not buy ANY game at all!
"You are allowed to feel hate, but you must not nurture it."
- Kyle Katarn, Jedi Academy
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I can picture Smedley sitting in a little ahh okay big corner and rubbing his hands together saying "all you former SWG players who swore you will never play a SOE game again will be back' then evil laugh to follow.
The only thing SOE/Smedley is guilty of is not being one who calls the shots, and lets others run his business. With this game, now SOE/Smedley will be the one calling the shots
However as a big SWG fan myself, it will still not be SWG, but if the mechanics are the same, then I will definately give it a shot, but may not hold me like SWG did, because it will not be Star Wars
Yeah, the problem was that Lucas Arts wanted a game where everyone could experience the content they created without taking into account the kind of personal investment the current SWG population had made into the game. The same thing happened at a smaller scale in World of Warcraft with how they did expansions and rendered previous progression content pointless.
At this point in time it feels like publishers and developers have decided to turn the MMO genre into a cash farm and are so attached to specific core ideas that many MMOs feel like they are clones of each other. Most MMOs are just hub games now that use the leveling process as an extended tutorial and put ridiculously tuned encounters at end game to keep people paying money for minimal content.
Well, that or they go jump into the cash shop item and perk laundering business...
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If Smed can deliver the goods, I'll give him another chance. I'll put my faith in SOE over...say...NCsoft, EA or Zynga. Not by a lot, mind you, but just a bit more.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I did? I don't recall ever making that oath. I have every intention of playing Landmark, maybe even Next but its too early to tell with that game.
Also, Smedley did not make SWG, Raph Koster did.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Sounds good! Based on Smed's comment, it sounds like a game I'll want to play.
I'm hoping for pet and mount breeding, an Entertainer class, city building, an amazing crafting system, uber housing, fun world events, all kinds of SWG-type gameplay elements etc.
I'm looking forward to hearing more.
Darth Smedley just wants to feel the hate flow through you.
I think it would be great if they could make some kind of new version of Space Farmer, I mean SWG.
Help support an artist and gamer who has lost his tools to create and play: http://www.gofundme.com/u63nzcgk
Actually, scratch that. Smed's no better than the others (just read the closure announcements just now).
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
The only part of it that was "space game" was the first expansion. Otherwise most gameplay took place on giant planets like most MMO's out there. Except there were several planets, and each one was bigger than your typical MMO these days.
Even after the expansion, >80% of the game play was land based.
That was funny, especially since it brought up a vision of SWG vets pouring like lemmings into the carbonite chamber pit.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
J. Smedley did a Reddit AMA today at 3 pm to 5 pm pacific time. Lots of interesting stuff there if you want to read it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1w2lu2/im_john_smedley_president_of_soe_amaa/
This is from the Reddit AMA
In terms of the brand spanky new unannounced MMO, will it be based on an existing IP or something new I should work myself into a frothy craze over?
j_smedley 8 points 1 hour ago
completely new IP. The data is on the interwebs.. someone just has to find it.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
They already had a MMO dedicated to SWG players, it was called SWG.
Yeah, but the real SWG only lasted for two years. NGE doesn't count.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Well, Smedley better not disappoint again then.... I am though carefully optimistic.
Then again, this means minimum of 2-3 years to launch or more? A lot can happen during that time.
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If he's having a game developed that has more in common with the NGE than SWG, then it will be a cold day in hell tbh.
Smedley definitely has his finger on the pulse of the players. He knows that SWG vets will fall all over this .
That son of a muffin. Date is already on the interwebz aye? But it is at least confirmed as a new IP.
https://www.therepopulation.com - Sci Fi Sandbox.
Not every SWG fan is a bitter hater in 2014.
I know I was mad about what happened, but good riddance it was years ago. Time to let go and look ahead. I like the idea to make something resembling SWG again. If I would boycott every company which ever disappointed me at a time, I could not buy ANY game at all!
"You are allowed to feel hate, but you must not nurture it."
- Kyle Katarn, Jedi Academy
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I'm confident theres a new mmo planned but rather hear more from someone who is not Smed
Smed has a history of telling half truths
EQ2 fan sites
I can picture Smedley sitting in a little ahh okay big corner and rubbing his hands together saying "all you former SWG players who swore you will never play a SOE game again will be back' then evil laugh to follow.
SOE did not want to do the NGE, it was LA.
Can you seriously see SOE messing with a game from Lucas where LA had a major hand in the creation of SWG/NGE (Julio Torres is LA not SOE), and Lucas always sues people mistreating any of their products (They tried to to take legal action on someone from showing the Star Wras movies to the public, and they tried to stop someone from creating Stormtrooper replicas)?
SOE did not not kill SWG, it was LA. LA ordered SOE to shut down the game.
It was something that SOE could say "yes" to a couple of months after it had to say "no" to pleading Star Wars Galaxies fans. So why did EQMac get saved while SWG was not? It came down to licensing, and with LucasArts calling the shots with SWG, SOE didn't have the flexibility that it did with EQMac. SOE's reticent to shut anything down, Smedley said, although sometimes the higher-ups have to make the call to do so.
The only thing SOE/Smedley is guilty of is not being one who calls the shots, and lets others run his business. With this game, now SOE/Smedley will be the one calling the shots
However as a big SWG fan myself, it will still not be SWG, but if the mechanics are the same, then I will definately give it a shot, but may not hold me like SWG did, because it will not be Star Wars
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Yeah, the problem was that Lucas Arts wanted a game where everyone could experience the content they created without taking into account the kind of personal investment the current SWG population had made into the game. The same thing happened at a smaller scale in World of Warcraft with how they did expansions and rendered previous progression content pointless.
At this point in time it feels like publishers and developers have decided to turn the MMO genre into a cash farm and are so attached to specific core ideas that many MMOs feel like they are clones of each other. Most MMOs are just hub games now that use the leveling process as an extended tutorial and put ridiculously tuned encounters at end game to keep people paying money for minimal content.
Well, that or they go jump into the cash shop item and perk laundering business...