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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    One of the most common cars on the road is the Toyota Camry, it comes in L / LE / SE / XLE  and the more you spend the more stuff you get. You don't buy the L and then say, "hey wtf? why didn't I get 17inch alloys?" It's because you didn't buy the more expensive one.

     

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

  • JimyHumuHumuJimyHumuHumu Member UncommonPosts: 251
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

    which of those packages failed to include all (lets say 4?) passenger seats?

     

    Actually, his analogy is quite good imo. Its like buying a car with 4 seats, where 4th passenger seat is blocked and you gotta pay additional money to unblock (and use) it. 

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by Dewguy79

    This is just getting ridiculous.  You have the same ten or so posters spamming every single ESO post about how "outrageous" eso is, acting how in some way this will ruin their life.  A majority of these ten have been called out or have straight up said things like "I won't touch eso with a ten foot poll" "I had no intention of playing eso" well why waste your time complaining about something you don't like?  

    These ten poster are making it sound like majority of gamers feel the way they do when in fact mmorpg.com represents less than 1% of gamers. For example eso fb has over 1.6 million likes these are people who use their real identity and not hide behind some internet avatar.  The in one day eso imperial edition was at #2 on Amazon.  

    Let's put this is perspective. So you are sitting at home on your $2000 PC, using your $50-100/month internet, complaining over what $20 extra bucks to get the imperils class, when in fact those die hard fans will be using 1st person view and see their toon maybe 10% of the game.  We are talking some extra money that compares to pennies when you include your PC your on, internet connection etc etc, for a game that will have 100s if not 1000s of hours of game play.  

    Well it's the "cool thing to do" these days and ten or so have a real need to "be cool " so we get to watch them spam every single ESO post with the same copy/paste junk that has no merit at all.  They think they can "change the game" well good luck and enjoy your crusade.  Their are more important things to hate then a VIDEO GAME!  Any chance any of you ten or so do your own taxes? Now that's outrageous and something that could merit the anger and desperate attempts at changing they show towards a VIDEO GAME! Or you understand how the world works and pay your fair share.  Below is a very interesting article I find very fitting for some. 

    http://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000000/the-angry-entitled-gamer-30922693/

     

     

    Fun fact: Dewguy79 has posted support for the Collectors Edition on over 8 threads now (I stopped looking after the second page, it could be more). 

    Pot calling the kettle black anyone?

    Every single thread voicing concerns has been flooded by the same 10 rabid fanboys / white knights posting repeatedly about how the Collectors Edition is fantastic, it helped spice up their love life, cured their baldness and made their skin glow.

  • UhwopUhwop Member UncommonPosts: 1,791
    Originally posted by Dewguy79
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    The only real problem I have with all of this, is the faction restriction removal from races, for everyone that pre-orders. I'm actually fine with the CE race, it is mostly cosmetic, with the exception of unique racial bonuses that are very likely to be equal to all the other races.

     

    I think they need to replace the pre-order faction restriction removal with something new and less game changing. There is still time to do this. A couple of free account-wide bank tabs would be one example of a solid replacement, or alternatively a permanent 10% discount on way shrine teleportation... Just to name some examples.

     

    My biggest concern is that, 2 months into launch, both the faction restriction removal and Imperial race will be made available on the in-game store for another $20.

    First you can walk into GameStop and preorder for $5, then spend the next 3 months saving up for the game. 

    Second the lies about the "in game shop" that come from the same ten are that lied.  It is pure services like server change and name change nothing to do with the game.  So in 2 months no it won't be available. 

    The explorer pack, the part of the pre-order that allows you to play any race in any faction is apparently going to be an "upgrade" option after release.  At least that's what one of the staff members here pointed out, siting information on ESO's website.  

     

    Firor said "fun stuff", along with service options.  Faction switching would be considered a service like it is in other mmo's.  

     

     

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by killion81
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    My biggest concern is that, 2 months into launch, both the faction restriction removal and Imperial race will be made available on the in-game store for another $20.

     

    Not 2 months into launch, immediately at launch.  I've already seen screen shots of a chat with ZSO support saying that the CE always includes the Explorer's Pack (ability to make any race on any faction, some pet and treasure maps) and that people who purchase the standard edition will always be able to upgrade to the digital CE, starting on release day.  Upgrading to the digital CE also gives you the ability to make the Imperial on any faction, get the horse and extra pet and whatever other digital rewards are included.  The only way to obtain this will be to pay additional cash to upgrade to the digital CE.

     

    Essentially you have the start of a cash shop there.  Oh!  You don't want to pay the huge cost of purchasing a mount with in game money?  Just pay real cash to upgrade to the digital CE!  You'll get a free mount!  That probably is the largest P2W advantage in the CE, although the treasure maps in the Explorer's Pack also have a pungent P2W smell.

     

    Edit:  Here's the chat transcript if you want to read it yourself.

     

    Thanks for finding that, tried to respond to an earlier poster questioning me about it and couldn't find it.

  • ScypherothScypheroth Member Posts: 264
    OP sounds like hese trying to start a troll war with this post...
  • PigozzPigozz Member UncommonPosts: 886
    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

     i also think its a great move. cant wait til they put more races for sale,

    and i really really hope every new race they add will cost at least $30. no, wait make that $50 instead. I certainly hope they dont stop there,  why stop when they could also charge another $20 - $40 for new classes too, on top of dlc price ofc.

     

    i dont get the haters, why wouldnt you guys want to pay more $ for things that used to come with base game access in the past? 

     

    paying additional $ for mounts, races, classes is now cool so you people should just adapt and give publishers more money. MMO gaming is evolving and, imo, we should just learn to adapt to it and give those companies our money.

     

    ps :

    And no, you should not voice your concern because there are fans of the game that will eagerly explain it to you in a few simple words - spending more money on a game, as in paying for stuff that used to be free, is a good thing, because.

    Exactly!

    I hate those cheap bastards who are unwilling to pay 50$ for a new class! Dont play it or get a job jeez!

    And you know what, lets raise the sub fee to 30$ so less kids will play it and we will definately have more content as was proven in history of MMOs!

    Oh and if you dont like you dont have to play it duh!

     

    for those who still dont seem to get the point - I was being sarcastic

    I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059
    Originally posted by Scypheroth
    OP sounds like hese trying to start a troll war with this post...

     

    OP is man and goooo figure! They closed the Kate Beckinsale thread instead...

     

     

     

     

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by Dewguy79
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    The only real problem I have with all of this, is the faction restriction removal from races, for everyone that pre-orders. I'm actually fine with the CE race, it is mostly cosmetic, with the exception of unique racial bonuses that are very likely to be equal to all the other races.

     

    I think they need to replace the pre-order faction restriction removal with something new and less game changing. There is still time to do this. A couple of free account-wide bank tabs would be one example of a solid replacement, or alternatively a permanent 10% discount on way shrine teleportation... Just to name some examples.

     

    My biggest concern is that, 2 months into launch, both the faction restriction removal and Imperial race will be made available on the in-game store for another $20.

    First you can walk into GameStop and preorder for $5, then spend the next 3 months saving up for the game. 

    Second the lies about the "in game shop" that come from the same ten are that lied.  It is pure services like server change and name change nothing to do with the game.  So in 2 months no it won't be available. 

    Think again. Look at the post above, it will be available in the cash shop as an upgrade.

  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

    which of those packages failed to include all (lets say 4?) passenger seats?

     

    Actually, his analogy is quite good imo. Its like buying a car with 4 seats, where 4th passenger seat is blocked and you gotta pay additional money to unblock (and use) it. 

    No, it isn't. Zenimax never offered Imperials as a playable race. You can't be blocked out of something not offered to you.

    They didn't present 9 races and then say, you can only play 1 from each faction. They said, these are the 9 races, you can play them all. So a car with 4 seats means you get 4 seats. You're complaining about the optional leather seat upgrade which is not offered on the base model.

    I can't understand why people don't get this. You can't be upset about something you weren't getting. Imperials weren't on the list of playable races, you could not select them, they did not appear at all on the selection screen. How can something be missing if it wasn't there originally? That's why the car analogy is stupid. No one is offering you a car with passenger seats and then not giving them to you. You get the car, you get the passenger seats, but you don't get the optional trim without spending more.

  • PieRadPieRad Member Posts: 1,108
    Originally posted by Iylz

    So let people that pay extra get extra perks. People who feel they should get everything that someone else pays more for is insane. Anywhere, any product, anything' the man with more money gets more, how is a video game any different. If you want to play the race, pay for it, if not be happy with what you get, otherwise, shut your mouth. The tears flowing because of this game and the decisions Bethesda has made makes me think that game companies should just go back to keeping everything secret and just making people pay to see what they have created.

     

    Bunch of little poor school girls = majority of mmorpg.com

    "I'm rich, I wipe my butt with 100s, I don't care for you peasants and your enjoyment of games, I am rich and I shall enjoy the games more than you, ha..... ha.... haa."

     

    Alright Donald Trump, calm down.

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  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by killion81

     the chat transcript if you want to read it yourself.

    Thanks for finding that, tried to respond to an earlier poster questioning me about it and couldn't find it.

    also stated in the store faq

    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq

    altho the faq is poorly worded implying that CE only gets explorers pack w preorders

  • CalvenCalven Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    One of the most common cars on the road is the Toyota Camry, it comes in L / LE / SE / XLE  and the more you spend the more stuff you get. You don't buy the L and then say, "hey wtf? why didn't I get 17inch alloys?" It's because you didn't buy the more expensive one.

     

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

    But do you pay the car dealer a monthly fee for using the car? The subscription model is in place so there won't be any other expenses to enjoy the full game. Races ARE part of the full game, because they are not merely cosmetic. Remember the RPG of the MMO. Roleplaying game. Elder Scrolls have always highlighted the importance of race. Simply because it lets you create the character you identify with and because the entire game is build around racial differences and how they interact. Races are core game features in an mmoRPG. If you don't think so, then you want to play the MMOs.. And since Elder Scrolls has always been an RPG I think it is safe to say ESO also will be a RPG. Thus, races are important.

     

    I wanted to play as an Imperial. When they announced this wpuldn't be happening I was disappointed but I got over it. Now I can play it, but I have to pay extra? In a game I already paid for? And a game I have to pay a monthly fee to play? That is just absurd. But hey, if you want to further this trend of having to pay for additional content in a game you already paid for and continue to pay for then I won't stop you. After all, I'm not the one throwing money away..

  • killion81killion81 Member UncommonPosts: 995
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by killion81

     the chat transcript if you want to read it yourself.

    Thanks for finding that, tried to respond to an earlier poster questioning me about it and couldn't find it.

    also stated in the store faq

    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq

    altho the faq is poorly worded implying that CE only gets explorers pack w preorders

     

    What the average person sees as poor wording, Zenimax sees as marketing designed to increase preorder sales.  If you can't sell them on the merits of the game alone, mislead them into thinking they'll miss out on an AMAZING opportunity if they don't BUY NOW! ;)

  • brett7018brett7018 Member UncommonPosts: 181

    I am all for it.  This isn't pay to win, its pay to have exclusives (maybe at least for a short time, then I am sure they will offer it to everyone).

     

    Also, I got Assasins Creed IV for FREE from Ubisoft for pre-purchasing the Imperial Edition

     

    Win-win if ya ask me....

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  • killion81killion81 Member UncommonPosts: 995
    Originally posted by brett7018

    I am all for it.  This isn't pay to win, its pay to have exclusives (maybe at least for a short time, then I am sure they will offer it to everyone).

     

    Also, I got Assasins Creed IV for FREE from Ubisoft for pre-purchasing the Imperial Edition

     

    Win-win if ya ask me....

     

    If giving away already popular games for free with a prepurchase of your game doesn't show confidence in your game, I don't what does.  Well... maybe letting the game stand on it's own merit, I guess that could show confidence.  What am I saying?  That's CRAZY talk!

  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 4,006
    Originally posted by Dekarx12
    i agree with you OP to a point... but to hold out an entire race/ playable character is a bit much imo, i can handle a mount and fluff like a nice starter helm... but not a race...

    Don't worry it'll be available in their cash shop 3 months after release, when they go F2P after box sales dry up.

    Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!

  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Member UncommonPosts: 689
    Originally posted by Iylz

    I think that the pre-order CE for this is great. There is finally a truly exclusive reward for contributing to the development and success of a game. I think people who pay for early-access, pre-order, or in any way show support for a game before it comes out should get something for their contribution.

    Cheers Bethesda.

    You are crazy, or new to mmo's, if you think Zenimax (the real company making the game) is going to never offer this promotion again in the future.  This shit always happens, a company offers a great preorder bonus, everyone gets it hoping it's exclusive to them.  Then in 5 months they offer it again for cash on the website or in the ingame cash shop when it goes f2p.

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  • CalvenCalven Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

    which of those packages failed to include all (lets say 4?) passenger seats?

     

    Actually, his analogy is quite good imo. Its like buying a car with 4 seats, where 4th passenger seat is blocked and you gotta pay additional money to unblock (and use) it. 

    No, it isn't. Zenimax never offered Imperials as a playable race. You can't be blocked out of something not offered to you.

    They didn't present 9 races and then say, you can only play 1 from each faction. They said, these are the 9 races, you can play them all. So a car with 4 seats means you get 4 seats. You're complaining about the optional leather seat upgrade which is not offered on the base model.

    I can't understand why people don't get this. You can't be upset about something you weren't getting. Imperials weren't on the list of playable races, you could not select them, they did not appear at all on the selection screen. How can something be missing if it wasn't there originally? That's why the car analogy is stupid. No one is offering you a car with passenger seats and then not giving them to you. You get the car, you get the passenger seats, but you don't get the optional trim without spending more.

    Because none of the many analogies put forward never include the fact that you pay a monthly subscription. You pay for the burger, but you don't pay for every bite you eat. You pay for the car but you don't pay the dealer a monthly fee for driving it. You pay for the thing and you get what you pay for. Now, the subscription model, even Zenimax said so, is in place to avoid having to pay for extra content. Now they block off some of the content, and your forced to pay for them which is a breach of the rules of the subscription model. World Of Warcraft included a vanity pet in their CE, nothing more (not counting the real life things such as maps etc.). If WoW had blocked of a race and demanded you paid for the game, the subscription and now extra fees to play as, say, an Undead. You would have been furious.

  • dontadowdontadow Member UncommonPosts: 1,005

    AGreed with the OP. The people who hate this must despite kickstarter and other crowd funding types of games. Getting more for paying more seems like normal capitalism. 

  • PieRadPieRad Member Posts: 1,108
    Originally posted by dontadow

    AGreed with the OP. The people who hate this must despite kickstarter and other crowd funding types of games. Getting more for paying more seems like normal capitalism. 

    Normal people do hate kickstarter, because it's a waste of money, how much have you gotten from kickstarters so far except of promises of games in 4-5 years time. 

     

    Ye, that's what i thought, you probably have a forum badge somewhere and pretty happy about the 500 bucks you donated.

     

    LOL

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  • CalvenCalven Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by Dewguy79
    Originally posted by Calven
    Originally posted by Rusque
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Iylz

    BK Burger - Shit beef, soggy lettuce & tomato, and crappy bun - $2

    Bone Fish Burger - Kobe beef, fresh lettuce & tomato, avocado, hand-made roll. - $18

    You enter a burger restaurant, you order a burger, and they give you two slices of bread. You are like "wtf?", and the vendor says that if you want meat and other stuff inside, you have to pay more. When the vendor sees you're quite angry, he says "what's the problem? Customers never complained about our bread, it's very good".

    Result: you leave the restaurant and go to one which offers the full burger for the same price.

    Fiero - tiny, crap, so, sounds like a lawn mower - $20,000

    Ferrari - fast, well built, fast, sounds wicked, and fast - $200,000

    You go buy a car, you fork out whatever amount of money it requires, and once you climb into the car to leave, you notice there's no passenger seats. You ask the vendor "wtf?", and he says that to have passenger seats, you need to pay more.

    You leave and go to a vendor which offers the same cars complete for the same price.


    I'll stop here... but stupid analogies are... stupid.

    That's not at all what I've experienced in my life at car dealerships. I very clearly remember multiple options and packages for varying amounts of money.

    One of the most common cars on the road is the Toyota Camry, it comes in L / LE / SE / XLE  and the more you spend the more stuff you get. You don't buy the L and then say, "hey wtf? why didn't I get 17inch alloys?" It's because you didn't buy the more expensive one.

     

    Stupid analogies are stupid, but so is comparing apples to a screw driver.

    But do you pay the car dealer a monthly fee for using the car? The subscription model is in place so there won't be any other expenses to enjoy the full game. Races ARE part of the full game, because they are not merely cosmetic. Remember the RPG of the MMO. Roleplaying game. Elder Scrolls have always highlighted the importance of race. Simply because it lets you create the character you identify with and because the entire game is build around racial differences and how they interact. Races are core game features in an mmoRPG. If you don't think so, then you want to play the MMOs.. And since Elder Scrolls has always been an RPG I think it is safe to say ESO also will be a RPG. Thus, races are important.

     

    I wanted to play as an Imperial. When they announced this wpuldn't be happening I was disappointed but I got over it. Now I can play it, but I have to pay extra? In a game I already paid for? And a game I have to pay a monthly fee to play? That is just absurd. But hey, if you want to further this trend of having to pay for additional content in a game you already paid for and continue to pay for then I won't stop you. After all, I'm not the one throwing money away..

     

    Actually some do pay the dealer a monthly fee...it's called maintenance and upkeep like new tires, new windshield whispers, oil changed etc etc etc.

    So because I already "paid" for the car I should never ever have to spend money on it?  

    If you pay your dealer for those things every month then you've been scammed. And you can still drive without a windhield wipers though it isn't recommended. The dealer doesn't withhold your car if you do not pay for new windshield wipers. Plus, at least where I am from, you get free service and maintenance for a year or 2 when you purchase the car (if its new).

    But tell me, do you pay for every bite you eat of the burger you just paid for? Or should we agree that analogies aren't always proof enough to support a claim

  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    I just imagine Zenimax offering a trough full of the most disgusting excrement on the planet. But it smells like roses and looks like gold..So people happily gulp it down by the pounds....I like to call it "moron feed". Corporations that have no ethics and don't mind exploiting their "loyal" fanbase who don't mind chewing on turds as long as their trusted corporation of choice tells them words like "value" "exclusive" "content"....it's really quite sad to watch them defend this stuff with such venom and passion. I honestly want to send their parents flowers and a sympathy card.
  • SybnalSybnal Member Posts: 261
    It's all just a big, fat, ugly marketing ploy.  In fact, I blame everything bad in the world on marketers.   The sad fact is that it works.  People will suck this sh!t right up and think they are getting a deal in the process.
  • CalvenCalven Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by dontadow

    AGreed with the OP. The people who hate this must despite kickstarter and other crowd funding types of games. Getting more for paying more seems like normal capitalism. 

    Capitalism states that the amount of labour put into a product determines its price. If that is the case, and considering how much more expensive the Imperial Edition is, the game must be utter rubish since the extra perks and few real life items cost nearly just as much as half of the standard edition. Speaking in capitalistic terms: They spent the same amount of time working on the ENTIRE game, everything in it (world map, wuests, animations, sounds, voice overs, lore etc.), as they did on the few perks.

    If you want to use capitalism to justify their actions then okay. But then your simply paying them much, much more than the actual worth of the product they are selling you

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