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Take away all races and what fo you get? Empty shells and characters who look the same and have no history or background. Races are important in nearly every MMO I can think of, Even in games where humans alone appear. Remember, humans are a species. In Elder Scrolls the many different humans are treated as races because of their many differences. In many games the entire story is based upon racial differences and the conflicts these differences make. In a game such as Elder Scrolls races are damn near the most important thing. People were hoping to play as an imperial and was disappointed when they were left out of the factions, because the lore created demanded this. Now there available, but only if you pay extra. Races are not vanity items.
Throw in there that it's a race a lot of people have been asking them to put into the game since they announced the race and faction setup.
How silly of anyone to complain, it's only $40; $20 cheaper than the "core game".
I really hate to use analogies. They almost never fit. What you liken to not paying for Turbo, someone else can say it would be like buying a new car but the 4th and 5th gears are locked so you can't even get highways speeds.
What people have asked for is irrelevant. The product that is being offered is chosen by the vendor, it is up to the consumer if the offered product holds proper value.
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I'm pretty sure he said exactly this,
"The fact that the word “monetized” exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don’t want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for – with our system, they get it all.” - Matt Firor
As I say time and time again. With ESO, Wildstar and this next generation of MMOs--we will start to see and then finalize the true segregation between mules and whales.
Good times for all on board.
When I go to the Texas Roadhouse for dinner I can get the steak and potatoes for $14.99 Or for $20.99 I can get the steak, potatoes and shrimp. You pay more you get more. My generations sense of entitlement is disturbing.
You have 9 other races to play, I doubt any of you will be leveling all 9 to max and finishing their quests anytime soon. If you do eventually finish all 9 races I sure hope you could muster up the 40 dollars in that time to upgrade to digital CE. If not you probably shouldn't be playing subscription based mmos.
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The analogies are getting ridiculous.
If Bethesda released a new Elder Scrolls game and on day one said you had to pay almost twice the price of the game to play a race that has been in all of the previous games at no extra cost, people would be up in arms over it.
Oh wait...
But if you know that before purchasing the product, you have to decide if that will suit your needs. They are not selling you a malfunctioning product, they are selling various levels of a product.
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Well, it's a good thing that the dollars of fanbois are the same dollars as normal consumers. ;-)
Everything in the game is content. A cosmetic race option is content, as well as the Rings of Mara. The four extra treasure maps are content as well.
Of course, that may not be what he meant, since "content" can also be used to just mean "progression", or "the game world". See, here's the difference.
Player A doesn't have a preorder bonus. Player A doesn't buy the Imperial Edition either. Player A always waits a week or so before hopping into a new MMORPG, both to see how well the game does and to let the initial player crowds clear out. Player B buys the Imperial Edition, and they preorder it. Player B is an early adopter and doesn't mind the crowds. Player B wants to see how good the game is, rather than hear about it.
If Player A wants to see content from multiple Alliances, Player A needs to roll multiple characters. Player A's characters are restricted to particular Alliances, but they still must roll new characters to see new Alliance content. It takes Player A 40 hours to complete the content for one character.
If Player B wants to see content from multiple Alliances, Player B needs to roll multiple characters. Player B's characters are not restricted to particular Alliances, so they can pick any race to see the Alliance content, including their Imperial character. Player B completes the content on one character in 38.8 hours, because Player B had a constant companion in Player C and let Player C wear Player B's Ring of Mara.
This is not a big deal. This sounds very much like other subscription games, which is probably what Matt Firor was thinking when me said what he said. There is no "content" that Player A and Player B cannot see. They can both see everything, and they both have to roll multiple characters to do it so.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Have you seen the Imperial race skill list because I have not so have no idea what they include?
Post launch a sub based game normally charges for something like a new race in the form of expansions. Pre-Launch is a bit different for sure.
I have not heard they are going to offer it post launch as a upgrade pack have you? Another option and probably a better one is to have a process where people who don't pre-order can unlock in game as well as they play any race as any faction thing.
These Pre-Order/CE features would be pretty standard for a single player game but they do seem a bit much for a sub based MMO. My concern is that Zenimax isn't putting the same value on that monthly sub that most players will. I think ESO is going to have a really rough time if they try to both charge a sub to play the game and put new content out as pay for DLC. Sub fees have to give more than just access to the base game, there has to also be the perception of value received from new content and I worry this is a sign of things to come. Not that I would have a issue with paying a higher sub fee for a really fun game I just don't want to do it piece meal.
I didn't realize your opinions were correct, because... because. We should probably all stop discussing this now. Everything's settled. It's obvious, because. Thanks for hopping in there and saving us all some time.
Indeed!
I kinda think of it in terms of an Astronomical analogy: Their "big heads" have collapsed in on themselves (due to the tremendous gravity of the situation) and are now distorting the fabric of the Internet around them.
Lol. You, sir, win the internet today.
read the store faq
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/storefaq
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?
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FYI, those "people" you're referring to aren't the ones funding the game. It's the method of delivery. If Amazon is any indication, the CE will outsell the standard edition. However, that's not the norm. So, while I love the fact that you're attempting to play devil's advocate here, you're way off base. All this really shows is that those people who would usually purchase the standard version are, actually, quite easily converted into Collector's Edition purchasers if your IP is strong enough. So, no, those who traditionally purchase CEs are NOT "footing the bill" for the game, it's the converts who are funding the game, sorry.
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If the IP is strong? All I know is this game is a continuation from 1 of a few games: I took an arrow to the knee, or, baldgurs gate franchise or that other old school RPG I can't remember at the moment.
So yea, most of us are looking at this game uniquely, not putting emotional baggage on it from previous titles.
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize that quotes from completely separate conversations invalidated quotes from the same person from other conversations. Basically, the quotes are contradictory, making one of them a lie. Thanks for helping me prove that the lead developer lies to potential consumers.
For how long will they allow it, they usually have a window of opportunity and if not... you still don't get the all races on any faction as that is only a pre-order... so.... just order the one with the imperial race and be done with the gripes.
It is unfortunate.
It's kind of crazy considering it's the Imperial race, you know, one of the most central and popular races in all of the elder scrolls games.
Almost like Zenimax understood that people would be willing to pay more money just to be able to play this one race, and held it back for just that purpose.
And for sure there would be riots if the next single player ES game released with only a few of the races and then required DLC purchases to play with the others. It would be bigger than the Mass Effect ending.
Sadly, some people would still justify it.
"If you really wanted it you would pay for it!" If I really wanted to get laid I'd just pay for a hooker too; thankfully little things like dignity keep from doing that. Well, that and the woman that sleeps beside me every night.
You have a point. But again, that's why I dislike analogies. Because we still haven't been able even look at this so called new car we are supposed to put a down payment on.
When one buys a new car, one expects to test drive it. That's not always a given with video games.
I've been wondering for a couple of days now just how many of the most critical posters here who are stretching the fabrics of space, time and logic to tell us why this is bad thing, have supported Kickstarter games and to what tiered extent... and I wonder how many of them who keep going on here about "pay-gates" think of their KS tiers in the same fashion... just a thought.
@ OP: good post. It is indeed nice to get a bit more than usual from a CE.
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The explorer pack (which is what gives any race/ any faction) is going to be an online store item that anyone can purchase starting the day the game releases.
It's already been confirmed.