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[Preview] Elder Scrolls Online: The Comprehensive Good and Bad of ESO

BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565

I’ll admit something, that’s probably apparent from earlier previews and columns I’ve written: I’ve been wary of Elder Scrolls Online living up to the immense hype created by the Elder Scrolls IP. And yet, with every passing time I’ve seen the game, I’ve seen many of my worries addressed by (most notably) making ESO feel more like a true entry into the Elder Scrolls franchise. Today we’re going to have a lot of previews for you.  From starting zones to crafting, to fifteen minutes of our own in-game footage.  You’ll get several different views on the game, but for my part I’m going to list the good and bad of what I’ve played so far.  This was the first time I’ve really been able to focus on one character and play for over ten hours, and I can say definitively: I’m now getting very excited to play this game for real at launch.

Read the rest of Bill Murphy's: The Comprehensive Good and Bad of ESO.



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  • RocknissRockniss Member Posts: 1,034

    Looks like Skyrim with the possiblity of being able to play with other people maybe. 

    That also looks like you won't be able to play with other people until your level capped because who is going to wait for you to level up? 

    So why would I jump ship from Skyrim to ESO? So I can buy another game at full price and pay a sub? So far take out the pvp, all we have is a continuation of Skyrim. 

    The main idea of this game, the main selling point can not be the story line and joy of leveling save that for single player rpg's.

    This is mmorpg's people want to play with their friends and they want to progress. They do not want to play a single player game until they reach a certain point and then suddenly the game drastically changes and you can suddenly play with your friends and suddenly all immerision is broken.

    But hey you bought the game for $60 and it took you 4 months x $15 a month to reach level cap, before you got to the main idea of the game which is pvp? So now your $120 in and maybe you don't like the pvp, oh well thanks for the $120, btw you can't come back and play the single player experience that you enjoyed unless you pay us $15/month

     

    I knew this was a bad idea from the get go - Impossible task!!!

     

    Let this game not be testimony for sub based games, it is no such thing.

  • darkrain21darkrain21 Member UncommonPosts: 383
    good artical buuuut im still passing on this title nothing about any of the betas has struck me as 60 bucks + Sub Fee material. One top of that I am just so done with Medieval fantasy give me laser guns and aliens with 3 boobs. Ill wait for Wildstar but heres hoping ESO lives up to the insane amount of hype its name brought with it.
  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    Just want to reiterate what I said elsewhere: the NDA still applies to non-press. This means you cannot offer or discuss any of your impressions of the beta, even if its stuff touched on in any of our articles today until ZOS drops the NDA for everyone.

    I know that puts many of you who have played the beta in a weird place when looking to comment on this article since you have your own experiences to relate back to, but please keep this in mind when posting. Thanks!

  • Whiskey_SamWhiskey_Sam Member UncommonPosts: 323
    Have they changed how bow combat works from earlier in beta?  That was nothing like shooting a bow in Oblivion or Skyrim.  That alone kept it from feeling like an Elder Scrolls game for me and would keep me from buying it.

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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,368
    so ppl cant quest toguether (doing same quest /steps) at the same time? WHAT????
  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    Originally posted by Skuall
    so ppl cant quest toguether (doing same quest /steps) at the same time? WHAT????

    Only an issue on quests that are in an "instance", but yep.

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  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,455
    I have to agree with previous comments.  At this point Im not convinced to drop a sub for this game.  I
  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873

    The Armor

    The armor models in ESO are probably the biggest graphical letdown of an otherwise gorgeous game. I never had any issues with animations like some readers have, as I think they’re light years ahead of past TES games.  But I will say that the armor is a step back. It’s all got this painted on look, except for helmet, shoulder pads, some hip and belt wear.  That was passable in 2004’s MMOs, but in DX11 and with all the graphical upgrades this game has received… it’s just weird looking. I gather it’s probably to help ease the load of rendering in large-scale PVP, but if ArenaNet can figure out how do display their armor in WvW, I think Zenimax could too.

     

    The biggest reason why i got turned off by the game. Asthetics are important to me. I don't mind it in games like WOW or LOTRO given their age but not going to accept in 2014..no way. 

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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611

    I have read a few of these from various websites. The common theme...bugs. Yeah I knows its still technically a beta. But really? less than 2 months from release in the big reveal for the press all but 1 or 2 of the beta experiences I read experienced 'game-breaking' bugs. You would think they would make sure these guys were playing on a build where stuff was stable. If they dont have such a build that is astonishing.

    If this were a complete NDA drop this could be discussed a little more but since it isnt just knowing that these bugs exist is a bad sign for a lot of people.

     

    Like I always say  bugs are bugs but not fixing bugs is a major concern.

     

    But basically none of these things have revealed anything most people didnt know. Sort of a bone I think for these websites that help promote and hype them. 

     

    People will gain a lot more on their own this weekend than these things will. Hopefully people go in and pay attention to what they see and then use it as a comparison going forward.

     

    But it was refreshing to see that I didnt see any of these articles call his the best game they ever saw, which is really what I was expecting from most of them.

  • WicoaWicoa Member UncommonPosts: 1,637
    Not enthralled, I think Wildstar may suit me better. Not willing to pre-order at the price asked, those that have enjoy!
  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Member Posts: 1,090

    I wasn't getting great vibes from this game from the stuff I read, and there are still some things I'm not keen on, but Bill's article makes me feel a lot better about giving it a try.  My main focus will be, "Does it FEEL like an Elder Scrolls game?"  To me, everything else is secondary.  From what Bill has said, I should be pleased in that regard.  I don't need to be able to kill random NPCs, but I do need to know I can wander off the beaten path and get into adventures.  So this is good.

    Bill, two quick questions:  You mentioned being a plate-wearing sorcerer.  In Skyrim, you could do that as well, but IIRC, most plate gear didn't have an abundance of Magicka built into it, which gimped you in a sense.  Is that an issue here?  Or does crafting tie into that in some way?  Also, you mentioned being a duel-wielder so you can get more abilities at your disposal with the second weapon.  Does that mean that people that use only a two-handed axe have less abilities at their disposal?  Does that gimp them?  

     

     

  • WarmachinezWarmachinez Member Posts: 11
    Great article Bill, thanks for your thoughts!
  • GrumpyMel2GrumpyMel2 Member Posts: 1,832

    Interesting that they dropped the NDA ONLY for Press. Frankly that alone would leave me a bit apprehensive. Is that common practice these days?

    I believe I can say that I'm not in the beta's and have had no experience of the game....so I really have no idea if it's the best thing ever or a turd on a stick. However I simply won't take reviews published by employee's for venues that accept paid advertisement from the products they are reviewing. No disrespect to mmorpg.com or any individual but I wouldn't accept it from a car magazine or a golf magazine either. There is simply too much potential for conflict of interest with that.

     

  • handlewithcarehandlewithcare Member Posts: 322
    looks nice cant wait to play it.
  • blazzen67blazzen67 Member Posts: 65
    good, glad you wont be in game to ruin the experience  $45.00 for the game since the first month is included in the price, the so called "cash shop" as you like to call it has been said its purely cosmetic, wont enhance any character in any way shape or form, and can be totally ignored. you act like this is the first game ever to have a sub fee, when there are more than a dozen out right now with the same model and it has been going on since the 90's. if you want to not support a game and just play the god awful F2P games out there, go ahead and play cheap games. The F2P model is a blight on the MMO industry and it needs to be eradicated from existence imo
  • blazzen67blazzen67 Member Posts: 65
    Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

    Interesting that they dropped the NDA ONLY for Press. Frankly that alone would leave me a bit apprehensive. Is that common practice these days?

    I believe I can say that I'm not in the beta's and have had no experience of the game....so I really have no idea if it's the best thing ever or a turd on a stick. However I simply won't take reviews published by employee's for venues that accept paid advertisement from the products they are reviewing. No disrespect to mmorpg.com or any individual but I wouldn't accept it from a car magazine or a golf magazine either. There is simply too much potential for conflict of interest with that.

     

     

    yes.every game that has ever been in closed beta in the history of gaming has had some form of NDA attached. and they do give the "press" relief of that to be able to get the word out about there games..its nothing new at all

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    Originally posted by RebelScum99

    Bill, two quick questions:  You mentioned being a plate-wearing sorcerer.  In Skyrim, you could do that as well, but IIRC, most plate gear didn't have an abundance of Magicka built into it, which gimped you in a sense.  Is that an issue here?  Or does crafting tie into that in some way?  Also, you mentioned being a duel-wielder so you can get more abilities at your disposal with the second weapon.  Does that mean that people that use only a two-handed axe have less abilities at their disposal?  Does that gimp them?   

    Hey Rebel:

    1.) You get bonus to regen and the like with cloth, and you move faster with lighter armor, but if you want to be a Sorcerer in Plate who can tank, you can spend stat points in Magicka, skill points in attack spells, and weapon skills for 1h+shield.

    2.) You get two SETS of weapons. Like GW2.  Dual-wield is a type of weapon discipline that has its own skill line.  But to use its skills, you have to have dual-wield weapons equipped.  So at level 15, when you unlock your second set of weapons to have equipped at once (and swap between like GW2. This allows you to have a second skill bar, with more spells and weapon skills as well. Make sense?  

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  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Member Posts: 1,090
    Ah, okay...weapon swaps.   That makes more sense.  I mis-read.  Thought you meant you could duel-wield at level 15 for the second skill line.  Thanks for the reply.
  • NephaeriusNephaerius Member UncommonPosts: 1,671
    let's not kid ourselves into thinking that combat in the Elder Scroll series has ever been any good at all it's been the series weak point since its inception unfortunately Elder Scrolls online does nothing to improve this at all and Since combat is thd main activity in the game it falls flat on its face

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  • Role_playerRole_player Member Posts: 33
    I agree 100% with you Nephaerius!
  • EugeneKDudleyEugeneKDudley Member Posts: 58
    I'm going to hold off summary judgment with my own personal opinions about TESO, out of respect for those wanting to try this MMO and form their own. Not really going to waste my time since I'm new to these forums and i want to avoid any unpleasant forum rule violations.

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  • ItsabouteconomicsItsabouteconomics Member Posts: 16

    Looking forward to pvp in the next hour or so. 

  • eldariseldaris Member UncommonPosts: 353

    One question please (if is possible to reveal this information ) - when going from one zone to another there are loading screens ? I know that lot of people don't care about them but I find them very annoying.
    Too bad they choose to go with phasing - yes,they made wotlk storytelling better than previous expansions but also made questing annoying if your friend was not in same phase as you.

  • eldariseldaris Member UncommonPosts: 353


    Originally posted by RebelScum99
     Anyone who says, "I played the game for a bit" and then gives their opinion on whether they liked it or not...I usually don't give their opinion much weight.  I can't begin to tell you how many games I didn't enjoy after the first couple of hours and then completely changed my mind and began loving them after I was able to delve deeper into the game.  Playing briefly in a beta doesn't qualify you to be able to really give a valid opinion of the game as a whole.   

    My personal experience is quite the opposite - the games I enjoyed playing long term were also the games I enjoyed first few levels. If the beginning of the game is lacklustre not many chances that the game will improve middle game - usually first levels are great and polished then you discover the lack of quests,grind,limited areas to explore (hello AOC !). Of course different people enjoy different things - one can be bored by beginning quests in a game while other can find them great and engaging.

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    Originally posted by eldaris

    One question please (if is possible to reveal this information ) - when going from one zone to another there are loading screens ? I know that lot of people don't care about them but I find them very annoying.
    Too bad they choose to go with phasing - yes,they made wotlk storytelling better than previous expansions but also made questing annoying if your friend was not in same phase as you.

    Yep, there are loading screens. Not many, as zones are really quite massive, and most buildings don't have them. But instances do, and moving from one zone to a next does.

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