Zenimax really has itself to blame for all these videos and bad criticism. Of course people are only going to cover the first 15 or so levels if they limit everyone (they give permission to) to only 15 minutes of video game cover in total (also 15 screenshots).
Most will try to get the videos out as soon as possible in which to get the most views and coverage. By the time a "professional" one can come out, most simply won't care. There was already a lot of cynics hounding the game about how they have no confidence in their product to not completely lift the NDA... and then they pull a stunt like that whereby they limit the free creative license of those who might be willing to give them a fair chance. It turned into a blitzkrieg of who could put out the fastest content; the only time I personally heard someone say they were convinced to buy it from gameplay footage was from those breaking NDA and streaming for hours (only to then be shut down).
To the rest? It's mainly just people putting the game down, with the video having overwhelming amounts of thumbs up (possibly due to people just blindly following their favorite content creators). That said, I'm still fully enamored with the fact that I believe the only honest critique for a game comes with playing it in full and to max level, while also experiencing end game content. This usually entails waiting until the game is officially out the make those judgments. If someone is making a video, and you trust their words... if their styles and likes are similar to your own... Well, yeah. That's a good indication on if you would like the game if it has the box price, cash shop and monthly fee attached to it.
There is a reason Everquest Next Landmark has been getting such positive acclaim. People are able to stream it on Twitch and make all the videos they want on it; it's NDA was lifted in the first 24 hours of the game being made available to the public for Alpha testing. That's showing balls and confidence in your product no matter how much you look at it. It's a game about resource gathering and building, with plans to include combat and tools to make dungeons and the like (also enemy NPCs). It's a footstep for Everquest Next. I've seen plenty of WoW streamers play it and say that they really enjoy it; that it's incredibly addicting. The same people that got permission to make ESO videos for a beta that is less than two months away from release? They just hammered it unconditionally.
The only really good videos showcasing the game so far have been ones from Force ( ) whereby he just plays and informs more so than actually giving his opinions. Though even then, he said in both of his videos that he's so restricted that he simply can't show everything or show of the game in any reliable way. It's a problem when reliable videos can't be put out, and content creators just resort to 15 minutes of playing the start and saying that it sucks. After all, if they are going to screw with their creative freedoms, then why should they waste all that time editing just for three 5 minute videos (or however they want to divide the time allotment into) that don't really show off the "soul" of the game anyway. It would just be seen as dishonest or sellout advertising by the public as a whole (without even being paid). People are more agreeable with the negatives than the positives, as there's always that belief that someone would just take money and say something nice. This is why some critic and cynical channels have acquired quite a bit of following in the past few years online.
For instance, if I say this one game is the best game in the world, but I cannot provide any backup or evidences other than my word (because the NDA is in place and I don't want to violate it... and 15 minutes isn't enough footage to prove my point to those on the fence or who are pessimistic to the idea of an online ES game). Then that's not really going to fly. If I say it sucks and give 15 minutes of video footage -- restricted by the NDA again -- and it showcases the 1-15 experience... yeah, people are probably going to agree with me. Wildstar can get away with the 1-15 experience because their video press have almost free reign so long as they stay within that level range (and not some silly 15 minute restriction).
As a whole, it may be their first attempt at an MMO... but that doesn't mean it has to feel like it if they do their research and know what they're doing. I'm starting to think they're relying too much on the brand name and just went into this endeavor unprepared. As a result, the MMO community is just eating them up.
Whoever is running the business/marketing/promotion end of things in Zenimax for TESO needs to be smacked in the face and then shitcanned.
Between insulting and division promotional rewards and completely failing to lube up the press they are completely done.
80% of reviews would be positive tinged with some worries if they had simply greased up the press. These guys are whores and every single marketing person worth their salt knows it. I know some of semi-professional guys find that galling and perhaps its not entirely true for them. But it only need to be true for a portion of the herd for it to become true for the rest of the herd. They have sheep and 90% have no capacity for critical thinking. You get the meme going, push a long with the corrupt dickheads that are easy to fine and soon it has a life of its own.
Not saying TESO deserves that I am just stating what it is possible to manipulate the press into doing given the current product.
Maybe after the little "Doritogate" incident they felt the industry and the press were a bit too close?
ElderGeek @ 5:09 - when WOW came out it was an unpolished piece of turd
riiiight...
It was, or are you having selective memory? Servers going up and down, constantly having to tweak item, UI, basic class functions.....
WoW in its first few months was horrible.
I do have to point out polish or unpolished really doesn't matter. Comparing WoW's first days to this game is pretty stupid. When WoW was released, the market wasn't saturated with 100s of MMOs. There was no guidelines, and there was no major "expectations" if how an mmo should be. If WoW was released in the same manner today, it would be shredded to pieces. A boot to the head. It just wouldn't fly in todays market.
You can't compare a games release being polished or unpolished when both games are from entirely different time periods. Technology has changed and MMOs have changed.
It's the same reason we where able to put up with a 56K modem for a long time when it was new, but who in their right mind would be able to put up with it now?
the reason I said its like skyrim online is the best way to explain the feeling and the look of the game its not like your typical mmo so that's great.
But reversed, some people like questing slowly and story. Starting off slow, becoming immersed. Not racing to end game, and focusing on gear. I know it's not for everyone, but what is?
The poor quality of the first 10 levels has nothing to do with how fast your character progresses, but how terrible the quests and script of the main storyline are. Unfortunately, grinding isn't a great alternative either, and the first dungeon or Cyrodiil are not available until after level 10. There is group content smattered around, but its usually killing one or two group mobs in the low levels.
Its not growing into a character, its being forced to endure terrible content to get to the fun stuff. Lets be honest, its not a great marketing strategy. If this was a game with a free trial, the only people who would bother putting up with it would be die hard Elder Scrolls fans or those familiar with the MMO genre. They should seriously reconsider a low level quest revamp, or offering more options to level through it.
That probably won't happen though considering how much they spent on voice actors - who in all honesty sound pretty bored with what they have to read.
This is just a youtube channel trying to increase his subscriber base, if everyone else is hating on something then being seen as someone defending it is going to get people that like the game to like your channel. Since these youtube personalities make money from views it's in his interest to offer something unique like this, I doubt he believes what he is saying, he's just trying to gain popularity and subscribers.
But reversed, some people like questing slowly and story. Starting off slow, becoming immersed. Not racing to end game, and focusing on gear. I know it's not for everyone, but what is?
The poor quality of the first 10 levels has nothing to do with how fast your character progresses, but how terrible the quests and script of the main storyline are. Unfortunately, grinding isn't a great alternative either, and the first dungeon or Cyrodiil are not available until after level 10. There is group content smattered around, but its usually killing one or two group mobs in the low levels.
Its not growing into a character, its being forced to endure terrible content to get to the fun stuff. Lets be honest, its not a great marketing strategy. If this was a game with a free trial, the only people who would bother putting up with it would be die hard Elder Scrolls fans or those familiar with the MMO genre. They should seriously reconsider a low level quest revamp, or offering more options to level through it.
That probably won't happen though considering how much they spent on voice actors - who in all honesty sound pretty bored with what they have to read.
Can you cite an example maybe of what about the story and quests were terrible? Because I didn't find them terrible at all and it has been a long time where I actually stopped and read quest text in a MMO and enjoyed it. Some of the things the NPCs say even just some of the minor ones are pretty entertaining.
Thanks for the link, OP. I was also surprised by the level of hysterics in some of the reviews, but I guess I shouldn't be by now.
I've had a good time in ESO and I will be there when it launches. As to all the vocal negative drama swirling around this game, it will blow over and the buzzards will move on to the next one, as always. ESO will have it's core audience.
all i can say is this, if a company dose not fill thier game is ready to be picked apart by reviewers then they should not lift the NDA for the press
if a company is giving permission to reviewers to review thier game then excuses like beta and such no longer can rightly apply because it was apprently felt its good enough to show off.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Still, after trying the game this weekend, it reminds me a lot of neverwinter, with all its instancing and all, but its nothing like wow though. Funny thing is some of wow systems would make this game better :=/
I think it does have some nice points, like heavy instancing and instances inside of instances, inside of instances, which is just freaking awesome. Just hope one day we'll get that far for every player to have their own instance. That would make amazing mmo, imo. Single player mmos are the future !!
so while being ashamed after watching that youtube video, if i feel like playing a game like this one ill just reinstall neverwinter instead, which is free and doesnt come with monthly sub either.
With all tha said, teso really is gonna be a great game, with lots of inovations and umm instances.
speaking of which, i believe mmos are the only genre going backwards, in other genres games get better and more innovative as time goes by, and more money invested usually means its gonna be a better game overall
Other genres are constantly expanding, adding more features, even mixing genres and stuff, while mmos have gone a long way from huge open world games with tons of systems/features to instanced 50 people games, stripped of as many features as possible, usually releasing as a combat as the main, and quite often the only system worth mentioning, while doing anything else proves to be just a waste of your time.
How many games have totally useless crafting, instanced housing which acts as glorified storage (could as well give you bigger storage instead and spend that time developing something that will people actually find useful), zero social interraction required, etc and tab combat as the only thing thats actually worth your time if you decide to play that mmo? Too many, imo. At least this one doesnt come with tab targeting though :P
So no im not buying yet another instanced combat symulator that will get old as soon as youre done with your linear quest line, despite your youtube link.
But reversed, some people like questing slowly and story. Starting off slow, becoming immersed. Not racing to end game, and focusing on gear. I know it's not for everyone, but what is?
The poor quality of the first 10 levels has nothing to do with how fast your character progresses, but how terrible the quests and script of the main storyline are. Unfortunately, grinding isn't a great alternative either, and the first dungeon or Cyrodiil are not available until after level 10. There is group content smattered around, but its usually killing one or two group mobs in the low levels.
Its not growing into a character, its being forced to endure terrible content to get to the fun stuff. Lets be honest, its not a great marketing strategy. If this was a game with a free trial, the only people who would bother putting up with it would be die hard Elder Scrolls fans or those familiar with the MMO genre. They should seriously reconsider a low level quest revamp, or offering more options to level through it.
That probably won't happen though considering how much they spent on voice actors - who in all honesty sound pretty bored with what they have to read.
Can you cite an example maybe of what about the story and quests were terrible? Because I didn't find them terrible at all and it has been a long time where I actually stopped and read quest text in a MMO and enjoyed it. Some of the things the NPCs say even just some of the minor ones are pretty entertaining.
Its very much an iffy kind of thing anyway. SW;TOR had the same problem, some liked them, a lot didn't, which is why when you play SW;TOR and your in a group, if you don't space/skip through the convo's you invariably end up being kicked out of the group for slowing things down too much. Lets just say, that some people might find them entertaining, to the rest its just meaningless fluff that can get in the way of gameplay.
Still, after trying the game this weekend, it reminds me a lot of neverwinter, with all its instancing and all, but its nothing like wow though. Funny thing is some of wow systems would make this game better :=/
I think it does have some nice points, like heavy instancing and instances inside of instances, inside of instances, which is just freaking awesome. Just hope one day we'll get that far for every player to have their own instance. That would make amazing mmo, imo. Single player mmos are the future !!
so while being ashamed after watching that youtube video, if i feel like playing a game like this one ill just reinstall neverwinter instead, which is free and doesnt come with monthly sub either.
With all tha said, teso really is gonna be a great game, with lots of inovations and umm instances.
speaking of which, i believe mmos are the only genre going backwards, in other genres games get better and more innovative as time goes by, and more money invested usually means its gonna be a better game overall
Other genres are constantly expanding, adding more features, even mixing genres and stuff, while mmos have gone a long way from huge open world games with tons of systems/features to instanced 50 people games, stripped of as many features as possible, usually releasing as a combat as the main, and quite often the only system worth mentioning, while doing anything else proves to be just a waste of your time.
How many games have totally useless crafting, instanced housing which acts as glorified storage (could as well give you bigger storage instead and spend that time developing something that will people actually find useful), zero social interraction required, etc and tab combat as the only thing thats actually worth your time if you decide to play that mmo? Too many, imo. At least this one doesnt come with tab targeting though :P
So no im not buying yet another instanced combat symulator that will get old as soon as youre done with your linear quest line, despite your youtube link.
cheers,
Jimmy
Did I miss something with the instances I can only remember 2 side quests after the tutorial which had shit hard boss fights everything else is phased well I thought it was?
But reversed, some people like questing slowly and story. Starting off slow, becoming immersed. Not racing to end game, and focusing on gear. I know it's not for everyone, but what is?
The poor quality of the first 10 levels has nothing to do with how fast your character progresses, but how terrible the quests and script of the main storyline are. Unfortunately, grinding isn't a great alternative either, and the first dungeon or Cyrodiil are not available until after level 10. There is group content smattered around, but its usually killing one or two group mobs in the low levels.
Its not growing into a character, its being forced to endure terrible content to get to the fun stuff. Lets be honest, its not a great marketing strategy. If this was a game with a free trial, the only people who would bother putting up with it would be die hard Elder Scrolls fans or those familiar with the MMO genre. They should seriously reconsider a low level quest revamp, or offering more options to level through it.
That probably won't happen though considering how much they spent on voice actors - who in all honesty sound pretty bored with what they have to read.
Can you cite an example maybe of what about the story and quests were terrible? Because I didn't find them terrible at all and it has been a long time where I actually stopped and read quest text in a MMO and enjoyed it. Some of the things the NPCs say even just some of the minor ones are pretty entertaining.
This so called poor questing lark has me puzzled as well the quests actually spanned multiple sub quests,in a logical manner leading to some great story arcs there was no kill 10 rats here,which was very refreshing and the main story was locked so how can you judge something if you only read the beginning and not the middle and end.
And the voice acting is top notch not heard better for quite some time in a Beta or in any game beats Skyrim any day also seems no guards took an arrow to the knee back in Skyrims history as well.
As the saying goes misery loves company. It's usually the same ones following each other picking up new catch phrases and new talking points from one another. They then run to every site, thread, and tweet to copy/paste the new talking point. They are not able to let others enjoy something and feel the need to turn every post into a negative. Like some have said right now it's the "cool thing to do" so once this fad wears off just wait for the bashing of the next game.
Personally I will never understand spending hours, days even years bashing, hating a VIDEO GAME. Why not find something you do enjoy it's common sense spending time on things that you enjoy makes your life a happier place. I didn't enjoy ffxiv never once though about spamming every single thread I saw about it.
The reviews are only really there to help people, good bad or indifferent. For instance, while AJ might have caught a lot of flak about his first impressions vid on Youtube, he wasn't actually entirely negative about the game, there were quite a few positive points as well, and his is not the only first impressions vid on youtube, its always best to watch a few to get a more even impression.
Take FFXIV when it first launched, it earned every single bit of bad press it received, though some might disagree, likewise when they took it down and rebuilt it, it also earned every bit of good press they received because it was not only something of a heroic effort, they actually made a great game in the end. But there will be people who hated it. It happens.
These may be 'video games' but their hobbies, which people are looking to possibly be investing a lot of time, and perhaps, money into. That we are now able to avail ourselves of so much information about these types of games, is a good thing, both the good and the bad, its always better to make an informed decision, than a blind one.
I think it does have some nice points, like heavy instancing and instances inside of instances, inside of instances, which is just freaking awesome. Just hope one day we'll get that far for every player to have their own instance. That would make amazing mmo, imo. Single player mmos are the future !!
not quite the same thing but Anarchy Online, LOTRO, EQ2, DCUO all have single player instanced missions
It's painfully obvious that the RPS writer went into their experience looking for negatives for their story. They brought up the first hallway you run down as a negative and straight up lied about a quest to find three missing sailors. I could accept their happening to dislike the quest lines and combat but it's difficult to accept that their review of everything is an honest one when they're so obviously reaching for negatives. Massively was fine, they brought up valid points.
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Next, I want to tell you how much I'm going to ignore what everyone is saying about ESO but continue to talk about what everyone is saying about ESO for another 10 minutes.
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Originally posted by DMKano Originally posted by QuasiModronOriginally posted by Allacore69Originally posted by Allacore69Originally posted by osc8rOriginally posted by sayuuOriginally posted by Allacore69
so, a game that took 4+ years to develop is so bad that another company can put out a better version in mere months???This ^.Also, what's prevents people from these super express MMO companies from participating in the beta and seeing all the groundbreaking new idea's for themselves? Or reading about them in the numerous previews which aren't covered by NDA? Or hearing about them in the developer interviews, marketing campaigns etc...And I must ask, what new ideas are in ESO worth copying? I honestly can't think of any... it just feels like your generic MMO #937 to me./shrug1 - EVERYBODY has to agree to NDA. EVERYBODY.2 - Not making a better game, stealing ideas and concept art and everything else. 3 - I'm not stupid enough to break NDA. So i'm not telling anything about the game. (nice try) Also why are you still here? You don't like the game. So it seems to me your trolling. Go take part in other forums for games you like. This^^^^^^^ +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 I do believe that you forgot to change accounts before quoting and agreeing with yourself.
You guys never cease to amaze me. This ^^^^^^^ was the reaction I was going for. Thanks for the laughs guys. (not being sarcastic) LOL
Originally posted by DamonVile People should review the game instead of all falling over themselves trying to guess what opinion will give their site the most hits.
this.
i don't listen to any of these "reviewers" and especially all the trolls on the forums. unless you have solid factual information for me, i don't give a shit what you say.
everyone seems to be biased and has an agenda these days.
Originally posted by osc8r "It's NOT a WOW clone it has.... ummm... open dungeons and.... RVR!!"OK then. I guess that's settled."I'm not defending the game"... only then to spend the next 20 minutes defending the game.lol.Admittedly he does make a few good points, however, unfortunately my experience reflects what the other reviewers have said.Yes yes, it's still in beta... I'm sure the miracle patch is on it's way.
I applaud your stamina. I could not watch it as he was showing some zombie killing game while speaking of Elder Scrolls. My small mind could not separate the 2 topics.
I did catch him calling some reviews "hateful", instead of "highly critical." I guess for some people, critical =hate.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I cant take any of you guys serious as mmo gamers if you think a review that stops at level 5 - 10 and they dont even leave the noob zone is acceptable.
We all know how this works, we know the noob zone sometimes is shitty, we also know if the game has 50 levels, you need to get at least level 30 before you decide to write a game off. A lot of times shine late game some games shine earlier, but what that is always a pacing issue.
I disregarded every review i read that didnt even include crafting, pvp or dungeons. You are missing 3 key aspects of the game and i am supposed to take your advice, fuck right off.
Im glad you got paid to write a review after playing a game for a few hours but lets look at it from a single player vantage.
Umm... you do know the difference between previews and reviews right?
You realize even in a preveiw, if youre allowed to go up to a certain cap, you hit that cap, the cap was level 15, stopping to reveiw at level 6 is just disingenuous.
Not really as long as it's clearly stated how far they got and that it is just their impressions of those early levels then it's not disingenuous at all.Not everyone has the time to reach cap in the given period.
Of course I've yet to see any proof that any previewer of this game only played briefly and tried to pass it off as a full review of the full game or even the first 15 levels.
You will never see any proof of that because its logically impossible to prove that. You prove positive statements. You can't prove negative statements except by finding a necessarily contradictory psostive statement and proving that.
In other words the reviewers should give you a definitive statement about where they got because without some sort of definitive thing showing their level (statement, picture, etc) you are just pissing in the wind off of unfounded assumptions.
You are thinking about it exactly backwards. It is up to these reviewers to give us real information to prove they are trustworthy. Not we trust them right off the bat. You can't trust them right off the bat because you can't prove they are lying without catching directly in a contradiction. This puts the reader in the worst position possible. It is incumbent upon the reviewer to prove, because he has by far the easiest position TO prove.
Maybe you didn't read the first part of my post you know the stuff about clearly stating how far they got and not trying to pass things off as something it's not?
As for Proof the burden of proof should be on the accuser,but I get your a Guilty till proven innocent kind of guy.
However I'm not advocating trusting any reviewer.As I've often stated reviews should be used intelligently in that you should find reviewers who's tastes and opinions align with your own over a long period of time and only then if you can't try the game for yourself to make a personal judgement.
Attacking reviewers just because they don't share your tastes and opinions is ridiculous as is accusing them of corruption or attention seeking for the same reason.
The reviewer is the accuser. The reader is the jury. You have the relationships misidentified. I am not the accuser in the case. I am a member of the jury who thinks the accuser (and all of his ilk) is an incompetent wanker.
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My attacks on reviewers have nothing to do with my tastes and everything to do with them being piss poor at their jobs. In fact I don't disagree with most the reviewers for this game but I do find them completely lacking in their abilities to give me any solid reason to take what they say seriously and complete doubt they have any idea how to actually support an argument much less even make one.
The reviewers are not the accusers for they have not accused anyone of anything.They've offered their opinion on subjective matters based on what they played.They have not for instance accused the developers of deliberately making a bad game or unethical behaviour,.The only accusations have come from you and people who don't agree with the stated opinion be it positive or negative.
Disagreeing with a reviewers opinion is fine and healthy for discussion.Your also free to suspect fishiness at some extreme examples.But throwing accusations of corruption and incompetence at the whole game review industry without providing at least examples at the very least to prove your case is not right.
It's also what the person in the video in the OP has done.
i been fan for long time always prefer these independent journalism , these guys are not corrupted at all!! they about the consumer
Only non corrupted reviewers are the one you agree with. Gotcha buddy.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
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While I think people forget the travesty that was the WoW warlock in the first month of release. To say its the worst realease is just plain silly. There are at least 5 games with objectively and obviously worse releases, such as Anarchy online
Oh look, someone who didn't even bother opening the link. I am totally surprised.Anarchy Online is number 2 on the list. Next time open a link if you are thinking of discussing it.
And what EXACTLY does your coveted link prove? That the MMO with most players got voted worst launch ever by a smattering of posters (none of whom had to prove they were even there at launch) voted it that way? Does that really PROVE a damn thing? Or is it just something you read on the internet, so it must be true, simply because you agree with it?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
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Maybe after the little "Doritogate" incident they felt the industry and the press were a bit too close?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43585928&postcount=48
And an explanation: http://kotaku.com/5957810/the-contemptible-games-journalist-why-so-many-people-dont-trust-the-gaming-press-and-why-theyre-sometimes-wrong
It was, or are you having selective memory? Servers going up and down, constantly having to tweak item, UI, basic class functions.....
WoW in its first few months was horrible.
I do have to point out polish or unpolished really doesn't matter. Comparing WoW's first days to this game is pretty stupid. When WoW was released, the market wasn't saturated with 100s of MMOs. There was no guidelines, and there was no major "expectations" if how an mmo should be. If WoW was released in the same manner today, it would be shredded to pieces. A boot to the head. It just wouldn't fly in todays market.
You can't compare a games release being polished or unpolished when both games are from entirely different time periods. Technology has changed and MMOs have changed.
It's the same reason we where able to put up with a 56K modem for a long time when it was new, but who in their right mind would be able to put up with it now?
Eso critics get shamed?
By a guy "self entitled GOOD critic"... because he's professional and the others aren't. Because he is good at reviewing games and the others are not.
20 minutes of whining
Awww right.
The poor quality of the first 10 levels has nothing to do with how fast your character progresses, but how terrible the quests and script of the main storyline are. Unfortunately, grinding isn't a great alternative either, and the first dungeon or Cyrodiil are not available until after level 10. There is group content smattered around, but its usually killing one or two group mobs in the low levels.
Its not growing into a character, its being forced to endure terrible content to get to the fun stuff. Lets be honest, its not a great marketing strategy. If this was a game with a free trial, the only people who would bother putting up with it would be die hard Elder Scrolls fans or those familiar with the MMO genre. They should seriously reconsider a low level quest revamp, or offering more options to level through it.
That probably won't happen though considering how much they spent on voice actors - who in all honesty sound pretty bored with what they have to read.
This is just a youtube channel trying to increase his subscriber base, if everyone else is hating on something then being seen as someone defending it is going to get people that like the game to like your channel. Since these youtube personalities make money from views it's in his interest to offer something unique like this, I doubt he believes what he is saying, he's just trying to gain popularity and subscribers.
Youtube is just business these days.
Can you cite an example maybe of what about the story and quests were terrible? Because I didn't find them terrible at all and it has been a long time where I actually stopped and read quest text in a MMO and enjoyed it. Some of the things the NPCs say even just some of the minor ones are pretty entertaining.
Thanks for the link, OP. I was also surprised by the level of hysterics in some of the reviews, but I guess I shouldn't be by now.
I've had a good time in ESO and I will be there when it launches. As to all the vocal negative drama swirling around this game, it will blow over and the buzzards will move on to the next one, as always. ESO will have it's core audience.
all i can say is this, if a company dose not fill thier game is ready to be picked apart by reviewers then they should not lift the NDA for the press
if a company is giving permission to reviewers to review thier game then excuses like beta and such no longer can rightly apply because it was apprently felt its good enough to show off.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
well yea i feel ashamed now.
:P
Still, after trying the game this weekend, it reminds me a lot of neverwinter, with all its instancing and all, but its nothing like wow though. Funny thing is some of wow systems would make this game better :=/
I think it does have some nice points, like heavy instancing and instances inside of instances, inside of instances, which is just freaking awesome. Just hope one day we'll get that far for every player to have their own instance. That would make amazing mmo, imo. Single player mmos are the future !!
so while being ashamed after watching that youtube video, if i feel like playing a game like this one ill just reinstall neverwinter instead, which is free and doesnt come with monthly sub either.
With all tha said, teso really is gonna be a great game, with lots of inovations and umm instances.
speaking of which, i believe mmos are the only genre going backwards, in other genres games get better and more innovative as time goes by, and more money invested usually means its gonna be a better game overall
Other genres are constantly expanding, adding more features, even mixing genres and stuff, while mmos have gone a long way from huge open world games with tons of systems/features to instanced 50 people games, stripped of as many features as possible, usually releasing as a combat as the main, and quite often the only system worth mentioning, while doing anything else proves to be just a waste of your time.
How many games have totally useless crafting, instanced housing which acts as glorified storage (could as well give you bigger storage instead and spend that time developing something that will people actually find useful), zero social interraction required, etc and tab combat as the only thing thats actually worth your time if you decide to play that mmo? Too many, imo. At least this one doesnt come with tab targeting though :P
So no im not buying yet another instanced combat symulator that will get old as soon as youre done with your linear quest line, despite your youtube link.
cheers,
Jimmy
Its very much an iffy kind of thing anyway. SW;TOR had the same problem, some liked them, a lot didn't, which is why when you play SW;TOR and your in a group, if you don't space/skip through the convo's you invariably end up being kicked out of the group for slowing things down too much. Lets just say, that some people might find them entertaining, to the rest its just meaningless fluff that can get in the way of gameplay.
Did I miss something with the instances I can only remember 2 side quests after the tutorial which had shit hard boss fights everything else is phased well I thought it was?
This so called poor questing lark has me puzzled as well the quests actually spanned multiple sub quests,in a logical manner leading to some great story arcs there was no kill 10 rats here,which was very refreshing and the main story was locked so how can you judge something if you only read the beginning and not the middle and end.
And the voice acting is top notch not heard better for quite some time in a Beta or in any game beats Skyrim any day also seems no guards took an arrow to the knee back in Skyrims history as well.
The reviews are only really there to help people, good bad or indifferent. For instance, while AJ might have caught a lot of flak about his first impressions vid on Youtube, he wasn't actually entirely negative about the game, there were quite a few positive points as well, and his is not the only first impressions vid on youtube, its always best to watch a few to get a more even impression.
Take FFXIV when it first launched, it earned every single bit of bad press it received, though some might disagree, likewise when they took it down and rebuilt it, it also earned every bit of good press they received because it was not only something of a heroic effort, they actually made a great game in the end. But there will be people who hated it. It happens.
These may be 'video games' but their hobbies, which people are looking to possibly be investing a lot of time, and perhaps, money into. That we are now able to avail ourselves of so much information about these types of games, is a good thing, both the good and the bad, its always better to make an informed decision, than a blind one.
not quite the same thing but Anarchy Online, LOTRO, EQ2, DCUO all have single player instanced missions
EQ2 fan sites
Hi everybody! Here's some stats about how popular our site is.. because that's how we earn a living after all. Not trying to get you to improve those numbers at all.
Next, I want to tell you how much I'm going to ignore what everyone is saying about ESO but continue to talk about what everyone is saying about ESO for another 10 minutes.
Just to let you know, there is no connection between the stats we gave earlier and the way we are telling ESO fans exactly what they want to hear. Enjoy!
That was just awful.
This ^. Also, what's prevents people from these super express MMO companies from participating in the beta and seeing all the groundbreaking new idea's for themselves? Or reading about them in the numerous previews which aren't covered by NDA? Or hearing about them in the developer interviews, marketing campaigns etc... And I must ask, what new ideas are in ESO worth copying? I honestly can't think of any... it just feels like your generic MMO #937 to me. /shrug
1 - EVERYBODY has to agree to NDA. EVERYBODY. 2 - Not making a better game, stealing ideas and concept art and everything else. 3 - I'm not stupid enough to break NDA. So i'm not telling anything about the game. (nice try) Also why are you still here? You don't like the game. So it seems to me your trolling. Go take part in other forums for games you like.
This^^^^^^^ +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I do believe that you forgot to change accounts before quoting and agreeing with yourself.
You guys never cease to amaze me. This ^^^^^^^ was the reaction I was going for. Thanks for the laughs guys. (not being sarcastic) LOL
this.
i don't listen to any of these "reviewers" and especially all the trolls on the forums. unless you have solid factual information for me, i don't give a shit what you say.
everyone seems to be biased and has an agenda these days.
I did catch him calling some reviews "hateful", instead of "highly critical." I guess for some people, critical =hate.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
The reviewers are not the accusers for they have not accused anyone of anything.They've offered their opinion on subjective matters based on what they played.They have not for instance accused the developers of deliberately making a bad game or unethical behaviour,.The only accusations have come from you and people who don't agree with the stated opinion be it positive or negative.
Disagreeing with a reviewers opinion is fine and healthy for discussion.Your also free to suspect fishiness at some extreme examples.But throwing accusations of corruption and incompetence at the whole game review industry without providing at least examples at the very least to prove your case is not right.
It's also what the person in the video in the OP has done.
Only non corrupted reviewers are the one you agree with. Gotcha buddy.
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR