Crushbone server is officaly DEAD

rubydragon5 · January 2006

Well I posted this on EQ2 forums and il post it here. Let me just say first of all I am not trying to trash the game. I had very high expectations and am extremely dissapointed on how things have turned out.

I have been out of game for about 1 year now and I was expecting to come back rejoin my guild and start having some fun.

I entered the crushbone server and its like a ghost town.

Ive seen about 5 people in the last 24 hours and the Broaker/market proves the population is gone because almost nothing is being sold on it.

Im trying to be as optimistic as possible, like did everyone migrate to another server?

Is it because I picked a noobie character and everyone is in another area?

Its slowly sinking in my old guild is dead and that I just reinstalled and patched a game that almost noone is playing.

What happened a year ago the community was thriving.

B._TOM_Kidd · January 2006

start on anoter server, start from fresh.
go to antonya bayle or unrest.

but most of the chances is that u are in the newbie area.

Scaris · January 2006

Using the market for any idea of the population is a bad idea. My server isn't really screaming with people however its not dead either. THe market however is horrible on it because most just aren't messing with crafting or they are just crafting for the high level stuff and not trying to run a business selling the stuff they can make in the interrum.

I am on Lavastorm and the market is deplorable there, your lucky if you can ever find what your looking for unless its something extremely common or in demand.

However I have watched Lavastorm go from a high side of medium server down since they started changing everything around. I don't see the people I used too and I don't see many looking for groups anymore.

scaramoosh · January 2006

If your not in a guild or lower than 50 forget ever getting a group :P

People already in a guild wont allow you into theirs they say "we have enough for raiding bringing in sumone else will unbalance that and your probally a Leeroy Jekins"

Below level 50 theres noone :P

Kaynos1972 · January 2006

Tons of players on Oasis and plenty of low levels, i'm only 27.

aliksteel · January 2006

I left the HighKeep server about 6months ago now becouse of the low pop. went to AB and sometimes to meny people are on hard to find what you need becouse there is allways poeple needing it to. and thats any level you are at. but I'll take that over low pop.

come on over to the AB server there is lots of old guilds and new guilds starting all the time. and even my unguilded toons never have any proble giting in a group.

but thats just me good hunting my frinds

B._TOM_Kidd · January 2006

Originally posted by aliksteel
I left the HighKeep server about 6months ago now becouse of the low pop. went to AB and sometimes to meny people are on hard to find what you need becouse there is allways poeple needing it to. and thats any level you are at. but I'll take that over low pop.
come on over to the AB server there is lots of old guilds and new guilds starting all the time. and even my unguilded toons never have any proble giting in a group.
but thats just me good hunting my frinds

in the end EQ2 will have one full server (or morw than full), and all else are dead

squatingbear · January 2006

Actually the population is growing. If you started a new char you'll see that all the servers are on a medium load, and one I belive is on a high load.

Seems that you were just on at an off time.

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by squatingbear
Actually the population is growing. If you started a new char you'll see that all the servers are on a medium load, and one I belive is on a high load. Seems that you were just on at an off time.

Umm that would mean a significant loss of subs since there used to be atleast 5 that were on high about every night about a year ago.

seabass2003 · January 2006

Actually there are 4 or 5 on high all the rest are medium so yeah it does look like people are starting to come back. Also it all depends on the time you build your toon. Sometimes late at night there is only 1 that is high but thats at like 2 or 3 in the morning pacific time.

moonfog · January 2006

Originally posted by Obadno
thanks for reapeating what i said Monfog because the devs deleted my post for some reason, dont know why i only said a$$hole??

They did? lol, maybe mine is down for the count as well then. lol

seabass2003 · January 2006

I think scaramoosh's sig is a lie anyways, the only character i found in eq2 that might be his was a level 30 female halfling mystic.

anarchyart · January 2006

He will be playing EQ2 again when the PVP servers hit, but don't expect him to say anything good. Just ignore him.

Sift · January 2006

Come to Lucan theres plenty of people, I just got the game like 3 weeks ago so Im pretty new and I have no problems getting into groups ya theres nothing at 1-10 but who need a group then anyways

reanor · January 2006

Expansions definately make game back alive. People coming back. WoW is losing popularity. Especially Kingdom of Sky looks very sharp. Desert of Flames is good. But KoS will bring some very nice content in, for the first time world of Norrath will be in danger from the Dragon Lords. I think after KoS released, in every corner of sky lands you will see dusty clouds of battles...

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by reanor
Expansions definately make game back alive. People coming back. WoW is losing popularity. Especially Kingdom of Sky looks very sharp. Desert of Flames is good. But KoS will bring some very nice content in, for the first time world of Norrath will be in danger from the Dragon Lords. I think after KoS released, in every corner of sky lands you will see dusty clouds of battles...

You are kidding right? They just recently hit 5 million and your saying its losing popularity? *chuckles*

EQ II is not going to increase its playerbase by this point.

aliksteel · January 2006

5 Million dang thats a lot. I don't know why so meny play WOW I have read up on WOW and know that I will never play it. it makes me think of the typ's of games that I use to sit in front of the TV and play. don't git me wrong thy can be fun but I rented them and all ways could beat them very fast and looking at some the forums about WOW it looks like it's that typ of game. I don't know maybe it's just a few like me that want's more out of a game othere than hiting level 60 in 3 days.

Fadeus you say that "EQ II is not going to increase it's playerbase by this point."

If I understand it right you are saying that Eq2 is not going to grow playerbase from this point on.

I think you are saying that way to soon. the game just turned 1 years old,and it takes time to build a fan base. I know what you are going to say it din't take no time for WOW and I have no idea why unless (and maybe you can tell me) it's player base is like 18years old and younger.I know at that age I would not have liked EQ1 and would have jumped on WOW becouse it semmes you can do alot in a very short time.(oops gitting off topic)

ok let me try to pull it back together. I beleave that EQ II is not dead nethere is any of it's servers. No we don't have 5 million players on at all times and we may never hit that mark. myself I hope we don't git that big. and yes I am happy about there being a game like WOW out there to take them typ of players.

but thats just me good hunting my friends

xminator · January 2006

Well, Sims 2 also sold 5 mill copies. Its still about as fun to watch as real life laundry.

WoW is a solid game, and with that out of the way, Eq2 is a better game.

Not going to increase its playerbase? I dont know. There is more level 60 now then there where lvl 50 at DoF launch. And from tracking level numbers it looks like most servers contrary to popular belief have the majority of active players sub 30.

Its not going to ever reach to sub numbers of WoW tough. Its not that far behind in the US tough. Its in europe and asia that the huge diffrence between subscription numbers come from.

What Fadeus might want to remember in the future is this. Just because you quit the game, its doesnt imply that everyone else automatically share your point of view.

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by aliksteel
5 Million dang thats a lot. I don't know why so meny play WOW I have read up on WOW and know that I will never play it. it makes me think of the typ's of games that I use to sit in front of the TV and play. don't git me wrong thy can be fun but I rented them and all ways could beat them very fast and looking at some the forums about WOW it looks like it's that typ of game. I don't know maybe it's just a few like me that want's more out of a game othere than hiting level 60 in 3 days.
Fadeus you say that "EQ II is not going to increase it's playerbase by this point."
If I understand it right you are saying that Eq2 is not going to grow playerbase from this point on.
I think you are saying that way to soon. the game just turned 1 years old,and it takes time to build a fan base. I know what you are going to say it din't take no time for WOW and I have no idea why unless (and maybe you can tell me) it's player base is like 18years old and younger.I know at that age I would not have liked EQ1 and would have jumped on WOW becouse it semmes you can do alot in a very short time.(oops gitting off topic)
ok let me try to pull it back together. I beleave that EQ II is not dead nethere is any of it's servers. No we don't have 5 million players on at all times and we may never hit that mark. myself I hope we don't git that big. and yes I am happy about there being a game like WOW out there to take them typ of players.

but thats just me good hunting my friends

If it was any other game company yes I would agree that I am stating that too early. However after a very extensive advertising campaign before release, a half a year of them slowly changing the game back into EQ 1, and a year of them bragging about how much content they have added all they have gotten is a whole lot of nothing. They have burned their bridges with too many people. I could be wrong on this, I don't pay that close attention but have you heard of any new servers going up lately? They playerbase is going to stay abotu the size it is now til the game starts to age itself out.

WoW has so many for alot of reasons. One of the largest is no other company has done so many official game launches in different countries. And launching in Korea and China is a huge deal. The population of China now is what, 2 billion? And China loves MMO's as much as anyone else. I beleive WoW has had over 6 different launches now stacking on more and more players. The last official US numbers I saw for them was around 650k, which I am guessing is well over double the EQ 2 numbers right now. Along with that WoW had just put about 5 new servers up right after the NGE went live, coindedence? Maybe.

Wow also attracted alot of people that were never in the genre before with its casual play and the fact that its a blizzard product and many battle.net people jumped onboard. It was just a huge recipe for success and EQ II will always be in its shadow flailing to try to get the costumer numbers they projected for the game.

moonfog · January 2006

Originally posted by Fadeus

You are kidding right? They just recently hit 5 million and your saying its losing popularity? *chuckles*

EQ II is not going to increase its playerbase by this point.

People really need to stop using that 5 million number as a arguement. That is NOT how many people play the game actively. Its the SALES NUMBERS!!!!!

Sigh, but its to be expected. WoW people seem to only have that number as a arguement when people as what mmo is good. Foolishly thinking that numbers means quality.

If EQII made there game so easy that 8 year olds can play then it too would have higher numbers. If you ask me having 8 year olds playing your game is NOT a complement. Its the opposite.

BUT I am emensly grateful to WoW. Alot of mmorpg players wish for some kind of system to keep out wise ass punk kids. Well.....WoW is the best filter out there.

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by xminator
Well, Sims 2 also sold 5 mill copies. Its still about as fun to watch as real life laundry.WoW is a solid game, and with that out of the way, Eq2 is a better game.Not going to increase its playerbase? I dont know. There is more level 60 now then there where lvl 50 at DoF launch. And from tracking level numbers it looks like most servers contrary to popular belief have the majority of active players sub 30. Its not going to ever reach to sub numbers of WoW tough. Its not that far behind in the US tough. Its in europe and asia that the huge diffrence between subscription numbers come from.What Fadeus might want to remember in the future is this. Just because you quit the game, its doesnt imply that everyone else automatically share your point of view.

Who said I quit? You're presuming while accusing ME of making presumptions. I explained my reasons why I feel the way I do in a previous post and nowhere does it have anything to do with me quitting or thats why I feel the way I do.

I play both currently and I am sorry I have to disagree. WoW is a far superior product, EQ II has been torn down into a nice looking EQ II with a luke warm combat system where you just use a rediculous number of different attacks that do mostly the same thing.

EQ II at launch I may agree with you is a better game then WoW, however now its just yet another EQ Clone with nothing to seperate it from the rest. As I said, I feel EQ II's playerbase counts are what they always will be til it finally dwindles at this point. I don't even think the PvP is going to bring that many new people.

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by moonfog
Originally posted by Fadeus You are kidding right? They just recently hit 5 million and your saying its losing popularity? *chuckles*

EQ II is not going to increase its playerbase by this point.

People really need to stop using that 5 million number as a arguement. That is NOT how many people play the game actively. Its the SALES NUMBERS!!!!!
Sigh, but its to be expected. WoW people seem to only have that number as a arguement when people as what mmo is good. Foolishly thinking that numbers means quality.
If EQII made there game so easy that 8 year olds can play then it too would have higher numbers. If you ask me having 8 year olds playing your game is NOT a complement. Its the opposite.
BUT I am emensly grateful to WoW. Alot of mmorpg players wish for some kind of system to keep out wise ass punk kids. Well.....WoW is the best filter out there.

Everything I have read says thats subs, not sales numbers. So if you have something showing me otherwise I would appreciate the link. I have brought this arguement up about WoW before but everytime I go to research it I find they are stating current subscriptions and not box sales with exception to their first 600k annoucement shorty after launch.

EDIT:

World of Warcraft's Customer Definition
World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

Sorry, that fairly clearly tells me its not box sales numbers, only people still on the free month after buying the box that haven't cancelled. I beleive my statement stands, 5 million subs.

Instago · January 2006

I don't know about other World of Warcraft servers, but I've noticed that my server, Twisting Nether, has had a huge influx of players because of the holidays. We once were classified as a low populated server, now we regularily reach medium or even high. The cities are packed with people than before and there are more lowbies than before. I can tell these aren't merely just alternate characters because most of these lowbies are asking questions which implies they have recently joined the server.

That said, I agree with most everything else in this thread (except for flaming, and game-bashing. If your game is really that great, then you should be easily able to list reasons for why your game is great, not why your opponent's game is terrible.)

ParaTrooper · January 2006

Keep it clean please people.

Also just from the official announcment regarding 5 million customers...
"World of Warcraft's Customer Definition
World of Warcraft customers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or purchased a prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the installation box bundled with one free month access. Internet Game Room players that have accessed the game over the last seven days are also counted as customers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired pre-paid cards. Customers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules. "

xminator · January 2006

Who said I quit? You're presuming while accusing ME of making presumptions. I explained my reasons why I feel the way I do in a previous post and nowhere does it have anything to do with me quitting or thats why I feel the way I do.

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And I'm telling you it indeed have everything to do with you quiting. You've burnt on a game, get over it man.

Wow is far from a highly superior game compared to Eq2. Or Eve. Its yet another mmorg, more of the same, and my opinion is that Eq2 is the better of the two.

Scaris · January 2006

Originally posted by xminator
Who said I quit? You're presuming while accusing ME of making presumptions. I explained my reasons why I feel the way I do in a previous post and nowhere does it have anything to do with me quitting or thats why I feel the way I do.***************************************************And I'm telling you it indeed have everything to do with you quiting. You've burnt on a game, get over it man.Wow is far from a highly superior game compared to Eq2. Or Eve. Its yet another mmorg, more of the same, and my opinion is that Eq2 is the better of the two.

What are you talking about? I have NOT quit EQ II as I said atleast once in my last post. I am not burnt out on EQ II, I am however pissed off they changed the gameplay to something lesser then it was before. I however actively still play it and manage my guild. I play Eve as well, actively with 2 accounts.

I am ALSO very skeptical about getting anymore involved in it then I am for fear they will hit with with an NGE like change because the numbers aren't high enough. I see it coming, SOE is changing everything they can for little or no reason at the moment.

When I want to have fun I log into WoW. Are you going to tell me what I think again now? You like EQ II better, cool enjoy it. I however find WoW to give me all the excitement EQ 1 gave me the first year it was out.

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