Originally posted by Diross By 2010 I predict that the console platforms will make increased inroad efforts to compete with the mmorpg gaming population by trying to take away mmorpg-ers and make them into online console-based players. You can see this is evident with how consoles are becoming just like pc's in every aspect. Only time will tell. Whatever the case may be, make sure you do one thing...get your gaming on !!!
That is exactly what's gunna happen Diross...but we'll have to wait to see if the Cell is the coup de grace that Sony, Toshiba, and Big Blue hope it will be in the battle for the living room.
The OP made an interesting post, although I disagree with a few of his predictions (I don't see RAMBUS being around in 2010, for one).
Where will MMORPGs be in 4 years? Sure, there will be some minor graphical enhancements. But as for gameplay, a major paradigm shift will have to occur for us to be doing other than carrot-chasing. No big company is going to drastically alter the concepts we know and loathe until:
A major studio unveils the latest Diku rip off and it falls flat on it's face. (And EQ2 is still a proftable venture, even with only 200K subs or so, so long live the Diku)
A small(er) studio takes a chance and releases something new, which in turn makes them boatloads of the green. I got high hopes for Age of Conan and Gods and Heroes to maybe shift the online river down a slightly different course.
But it's all about money, and very few studios will risk the capital needed to produce an A level product unless it's following a tried-and-true revenue model. So while WoW is a great product and very enjoyable game, it was actually bad for the industry innovation-wise. For the next two years most developers will be trying to capture that WoW magic-in-the-bottle instead of working on new ideas.
Originally posted by nexus42 The OP made an interesting post, although I disagree with a few of his predictions (I don't see RAMBUS being around in 2010, for one). Where will MMORPGs be in 4 years? Sure, there will be some minor graphical enhancements. But as for gameplay, a major paradigm shift will have to occur for us to be doing other than carrot-chasing. No big company is going to drastically alter the concepts we know and loathe until:[*]A major studio unveils the latest Diku rip off and it falls flat on it's face. (And EQ2 is still a proftable venture, even with only 200K subs or so, so long live the Diku)A small(er) studio takes a chance and releases something new, which in turn makes them boatloads of the green. I got high hopes for Age of Conan and Gods and Heroes to maybe shift the online river down a slightly different course. But it's all about money, and very few studios will risk the capital needed to produce an A level product unless it's following a tried-and-true revenue model. So while WoW is a great product and very enjoyable game, it was actually bad for the industry innovation-wise. For the next two years most developers will be trying to capture that WoW magic-in-the-bottle instead of working on new ideas.
Rambus will be thriving in 2010...AMD just signed a 5yr. $75 million contract to license ALL Rambus technology. On the otherhand, maybe AMD or IBM will buy Rambus...but that's the only reason they wouldn't be around.
I've already addressed the rest of these issues in my other posts.
I actually don't usually read all the posts, preferring to normally stick to the original post for discussion. Probably a bad habit, I know.
In any event I appreciate the correction. It's been a while (obviously too long) since I've scoped out Tom's Hardware. Last reviews I read had basically sounded the death knell on RAMBUS, making the typical BetaMax/VCR comparison. But anything that gets us closer to VR is a good thing.
Yep, Rambus began to turn things around in a big way when they licensed their XDRcontroller and FLEXio interface technologies to the Cell processor. Hopefully AMD will move to XDR2, seeing that it's 10x faster than DDR2.
Thanks for the article Nexus. Virtual Reality has been on my mind since Jaron Lanier first coined the term. The technologies necessary to bring VR to the consumer level market are rapidly developing. OLED display technology will soon provide an order-of-magnitude improvement, over LCD, for Head Mount Displays. But VR still has many major obstacles to overcome before we can enjoy the stunningly beautiful landscapes and cityscapes of Anarchy Online 3.
Your absolutely right Nexus, anything that gets us closer to VR is a damn good thing.
Originally posted by Finwe You forgot the most important technology. The ability to grow diamond wafers and semi-conductors using the Apollo technology. Thus removing the necessity of silicon, THUS removing the previous boundary that we have on computers nowadays.
Hey Finwe, somehow I overlooked your post earlier, thanks for posting.
I remember reading an excellent article about that a long time ago...but damned if I can find it now. I found a few blurbs about diamond wafers at Geek.com, but nothing recent...can you point me in the right direction?
Hey Finwe, somehow I overlooked your post earlier, thanks for posting. I remember reading an excellent article about that a long time ago...but damned if I can find it now. I found a few blurbs about diamond wafers at Geek.com, but nothing recent...can you point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance Finwe
That article covers two diamond making technologies. The Apollo technology is on the latter pages.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I haven't found a single article more recent than 2003...I checked the International Technology Roadmap for Compound Semiconductors and got zero results. They must have hit a brick wall with this one. No matter, Nanotechnology is racing forward and there is a growing list of Nano-materials with some very impressive attributes that will have a profound impact on the semicoductor industry. One such material is the Diamondoid molecule...a Nano-material that is 10x lighter than steel and 100x stronger! All the big boys, IBM, AMD, Intel, etc., are developing Nanotechnology and applying it to vastly increase the performance of their products.
I want the future, today . Interesting article on diamond wafers, never knew about that. In 2010 all games will have superb graphics and crap gameplay, seems to be the trend, and I'm afraid it will continue. No saying that there aren't any games left with good gameplay, but ever since it became big bussiness, well that's just how it goes...
One of the best things about technology today is that it's becoming more and more user friendly...corporations are adopting much more consumer-centric business philosophy. You are now using the most powerful learning tool ever devised, the internet. If you want to improve you computer skills, just type in "basic computer skills" and hit search.
The learning curve for MMOGs in 2010 will most likely be a little steeper than it is today, but it'll be worth the extra effort. I always try to use all the functionality a game has to offer, it's just another way to have fun in the game. The skillful you become in a MMOG, the more people will want to be with you and around you, at least that's always been my experience.
When your playing a MMOG, you have the power to affect peoples lives, for good or ill. The fact that I can make someone, who lives on the other side of the planet, "rotflmao", well to me that's pretty profound!
Originally posted by VenQWish I want the future, today . Interesting article on diamond wafers, never knew about that. In 2010 all games will have superb graphics and crap gameplay, seems to be the trend, and I'm afraid it will continue. No saying that there aren't any games left with good gameplay, but ever since it became big bussiness, well that's just how it goes...Looking forward to the nice hardware nonetheless
I truly believe that the technologies that I mention in my posts will enable not only stunningly beautiful graphics, but also vastly enhanced gameplay. One example is the fact that you'll be able to communicate with others by just talking to them...forget all that typing BS! Plus they'll have a built-in synthesizer so your voice will sound the way you want it to!
Another example is game AI, as it affects fighting. We've all been there...your scuffling with a Mob and things aren't goin' so well, your health meter is dropping fast, you know your not gunna make it, so you RUN! You make for an exit, the Mob dead on your heels, pummeling you mercilessly from behind. Your only thought, as you mash down the run button, is "OMFG, I'm not gunna make it!". You see the exit, your heart is pounding 'cause you know your about lose a million xp, you mash the button down harder, grit your teeth and softly chant..."Please, Please, Please, Please...." As you lurch toward the exit the Mob deals out one last blow, your health meter is empty...the screen goes black. You prepare yourself for worst, you tell yourself "Oh well, maybe I'll go to town after I'm resurrected...sell some of this stuff." Seconds later you find your avatar standing, just barely, outside! "OMG I MADE IT!" You click on the health bar..."1500/0001". Your alive and life is good...."Now, where's that save point?"
Game AI will be able to give us that type of exhilarating experience more frequently in future MMOGs
Originally posted by poopypants Thanks alot Finwe, I haven't found a single article more recent than 2003...I checked the International Technology Roadmap for Compound Semiconductors and got zero results. They must have hit a brick wall with this one.
It's not much a surprise. All the money invested in silicon as well as finally bursting the inflation bubble over diamonds by not only replacing them with cheaper diamonds, but in fact even more perfect diamonds: It causes the rich tycoons to become hostile and try to spread a smear campaign.
I have hope though. Groundbreaking technologies have to make it out of the starting gate sooner or later. And with the most powerful information spreading tool in easy access to most people across Northern America, Europe, and Asia: It's harder to keep things down.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
MMOGs in the future...awesome!!! In 2010, a MMOG like The World in .hack/(an anime) will exist...hopefully. YAY!!! Can't wait! Holoprojection helmets will be invented eventually, right? Internet service is getting better and better. Soon there will be no more waits for websites to load! Yay! The future is going to be great! I can't wait!!!
Originally posted by MageRaven MMOGs in the future...awesome!!! In 2010, a MMOG like The World in .hack/(an anime) will exist...hopefully. YAY!!! Can't wait! Holoprojection helmets will be invented eventually, right? Internet service is getting better and better. Soon there will be no more waits for websites to load! Yay! The future is going to be great! I can't wait!!!
We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives.
Isnt there a problem in the fact that software cant keep up with hardware? For instance, quad core processors and quad gpu graphic cards are on the horizon, yet there will be no game to take advantage of them once they are here.
I doubt well see much of a change in the next 4 years in gaming. Sure the hardware will be fantastic, but i doubt the games will be. Game development simply takes too much time. I mean today technology is moving so fast that if you order a computer its price will have dropped by the time its at your doorstep.
Game technology on the other hand is moving considerably slower. Sure the unreal 3 engine looks good but even that has been around for quite some time. Games simply take too much time to develop.
Arguably the most demaning game on the market today is F.E.A.R. and most people can play that perfectly on max settings with year old rigs. I dont see much point in buying a new rig today, hell i dont even know why Nvidia and Ati bothers anymore. They should take a year off or something.
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Originally posted by pirrg Isnt there a problem in the fact that software cant keep up with hardware? For instance, quad core processors and quad gpu graphic cards are on the horizon, yet there will be no game to take advantage of them once they are here. I doubt well see much of a change in the next 4 years in gaming. Sure the hardware will be fantastic, but i doubt the games will be. Game development simply takes too much time. I mean today technology is moving so fast that if you order a computer its price will have dropped by the time its at your doorstep.Game technology on the other hand is moving considerably slower. Sure the unreal 3 engine looks good but even that has been around for quite some time. Games simply take too much time to develop. Arguably the most demaning game on the market today is F.E.A.R. and most people can play that perfectly on max settings with year old rigs. I dont see much point in buying a new rig today, hell i dont even know why Nvidia and Ati bothers anymore. They should take a year off or something.
Ding,Ding,Ding....pirrg you are the Grand Prize Winner! The whole point of this thread was to draw attention to the fact that we're gunna have all this Super-Duper technology, but not GD thing worth playing on it!!
Here's to ya
Did you read all my posts? If not, do me a favor and go back and read the one about the development teams (2nd or 3rd pg. i think), tell me what you think....
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That is exactly what's gunna happen Diross...but we'll have to wait to see if the Cell is the coup de grace that Sony, Toshiba, and Big Blue hope it will be in the battle for the living room.
Why?
What would you like to see happen?
The OP made an interesting post, although I disagree with a few of his predictions (I don't see RAMBUS being around in 2010, for one).
Where will MMORPGs be in 4 years? Sure, there will be some minor graphical enhancements. But as for gameplay, a major paradigm shift will have to occur for us to be doing other than carrot-chasing. No big company is going to drastically alter the concepts we know and loathe until:
But it's all about money, and very few studios will risk the capital needed to produce an A level product unless it's following a tried-and-true revenue model. So while WoW is a great product and very enjoyable game, it was actually bad for the industry innovation-wise. For the next two years most developers will be trying to capture that WoW magic-in-the-bottle instead of working on new ideas.
...Pika
Rambus will be thriving in 2010...AMD just signed a 5yr. $75 million contract to license ALL Rambus technology. On the otherhand, maybe AMD or IBM will buy Rambus...but that's the only reason they wouldn't be around.
I've already addressed the rest of these issues in my other posts.
...Pika
lol...naw man, I'm glad you took the time to express your ideas. But did you read all my posts?
I'll admit it, I'm a direhard AMD man...always have been, always will be.
But MMOGs are what make us "brothers under the skin".
I actually don't usually read all the posts, preferring to normally stick to the original post for discussion. Probably a bad habit, I know.
In any event I appreciate the correction. It's been a while (obviously too long) since I've scoped out Tom's Hardware. Last reviews I read had basically sounded the death knell on RAMBUS, making the typical BetaMax/VCR comparison. But anything that gets us closer to VR is a good thing.
Speaking of: http://www.unmediated.org/archives/2005/08/japan_to_realiz.php
...Pika
Yep, Rambus began to turn things around in a big way when they licensed their XDRcontroller and FLEXio interface technologies to the Cell processor. Hopefully AMD will move to XDR2, seeing that it's 10x faster than DDR2.
Thanks for the article Nexus. Virtual Reality has been on my mind since Jaron Lanier first coined the term. The technologies necessary to bring VR to the consumer level market are rapidly developing. OLED display technology will soon provide an order-of-magnitude improvement, over LCD, for Head Mount Displays. But VR still has many major obstacles to overcome before we can enjoy the stunningly beautiful landscapes and cityscapes of Anarchy Online 3.
Your absolutely right Nexus, anything that gets us closer to VR is a damn good thing.
Hey Finwe, somehow I overlooked your post earlier, thanks for posting.
I remember reading an excellent article about that a long time ago...but damned if I can find it now. I found a few blurbs about diamond wafers at Geek.com, but nothing recent...can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance Finwe
If any of this comes to pass what little skill I have with computer software and hardware will be useless
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html
That article covers two diamond making technologies. The Apollo technology is on the latter pages.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Thanks alot Finwe,
I haven't found a single article more recent than 2003...I checked the International Technology Roadmap for Compound Semiconductors and got zero results. They must have hit a brick wall with this one. No matter, Nanotechnology is racing forward and there is a growing list of Nano-materials with some very impressive attributes that will have a profound impact on the semicoductor industry. One such material is the Diamondoid molecule...a Nano-material that is 10x lighter than steel and 100x stronger! All the big boys, IBM, AMD, Intel, etc., are developing Nanotechnology and applying it to vastly increase the performance of their products.
Thanks again Finwe...I appreciate your time
I want the future, today
. Interesting article on diamond wafers, never knew about that. In 2010 all games will have superb graphics and crap gameplay, seems to be the trend, and I'm afraid it will continue. No saying that there aren't any games left with good gameplay, but ever since it became big bussiness, well that's just how it goes...
Looking forward to the nice hardware nonetheless
Welcome to the MMORPG forums Adeptis!
One of the best things about technology today is that it's becoming more and more user friendly...corporations are adopting much more consumer-centric business philosophy. You are now using the most powerful learning tool ever devised, the internet. If you want to improve you computer skills, just type in "basic computer skills" and hit search.
The learning curve for MMOGs in 2010 will most likely be a little steeper than it is today, but it'll be worth the extra effort. I always try to use all the functionality a game has to offer, it's just another way to have fun in the game. The skillful you become in a MMOG, the more people will want to be with you and around you, at least that's always been my experience.
When your playing a MMOG, you have the power to affect peoples lives, for good or ill. The fact that I can make someone, who lives on the other side of the planet, "rotflmao", well to me that's pretty profound!
have a good one Adeptis, and thanks for posting
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I truly believe that the technologies that I mention in my posts will enable not only stunningly beautiful graphics, but also vastly enhanced gameplay. One example is the fact that you'll be able to communicate with others by just talking to them...forget all that typing BS! Plus they'll have a built-in synthesizer so your voice will sound the way you want it to!
Another example is game AI, as it affects fighting. We've all been there...your scuffling with a Mob and things aren't goin' so well, your health meter is dropping fast, you know your not gunna make it, so you RUN! You make for an exit, the Mob dead on your heels, pummeling you mercilessly from behind. Your only thought, as you mash down the run button, is "OMFG, I'm not gunna make it!". You see the exit, your heart is pounding 'cause you know your about lose a million xp, you mash the button down harder, grit your teeth and softly chant..."Please, Please, Please, Please...." As you lurch toward the exit the Mob deals out one last blow, your health meter is empty...the screen goes black. You prepare yourself for worst, you tell yourself "Oh well, maybe I'll go to town after I'm resurrected...sell some of this stuff." Seconds later you find your avatar standing, just barely, outside! "OMG I MADE IT!" You click on the health bar..."1500/0001". Your alive and life is good...."Now, where's that save point?"
Game AI will be able to give us that type of exhilarating experience more frequently in future MMOGs
It depends on where your living in 2010. Atm VDSL-2 runs about $100. a month here in the US, but will most likely be much less in 2010.
It's not much a surprise. All the money invested in silicon as well as finally bursting the inflation bubble over diamonds by not only replacing them with cheaper diamonds, but in fact even more perfect diamonds: It causes the rich tycoons to become hostile and try to spread a smear campaign.
I have hope though. Groundbreaking technologies have to make it out of the starting gate sooner or later. And with the most powerful information spreading tool in easy access to most people across Northern America, Europe, and Asia: It's harder to keep things down.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives.
...Pika
Isnt there a problem in the fact that software cant keep up with hardware? For instance, quad core processors and quad gpu graphic cards are on the horizon, yet there will be no game to take advantage of them once they are here.
I doubt well see much of a change in the next 4 years in gaming. Sure the hardware will be fantastic, but i doubt the games will be. Game development simply takes too much time. I mean today technology is moving so fast that if you order a computer its price will have dropped by the time its at your doorstep.
Game technology on the other hand is moving considerably slower. Sure the unreal 3 engine looks good but even that has been around for quite some time. Games simply take too much time to develop.
Arguably the most demaning game on the market today is F.E.A.R. and most people can play that perfectly on max settings with year old rigs. I dont see much point in buying a new rig today, hell i dont even know why Nvidia and Ati bothers anymore. They should take a year off or something.
_____________________
I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
Ding,Ding,Ding....pirrg you are the Grand Prize Winner! The whole point of this thread was to draw attention to the fact that we're gunna have all this Super-Duper technology, but not GD thing worth playing on it!!
Here's to ya
Did you read all my posts? If not, do me a favor and go back and read the one about the development teams (2nd or 3rd pg. i think), tell me what you think....