ESO is absolutely no threat to Wildstar at all! First of all they are going after completely different audiences! Secondly, and most importantly, ESO will crash and burn. ESO is the 2nd tortanic, while Wildstar is WoW 2.0.
Originally posted by AndrewGoat
The biggest difference between Wildstar and ESO is that the developers of ESO seem to actually have a plan. Wildstar is just like 'We're launching at the end of 2013!!11' then doesn't, doesn't do beta invites correctly, has no launch date, has no preorder date, has nothing but a bunch of derpy 'DevSpeak' videos with a bunch of hipster sounding guys trying to act like the game is this great thing we should all wait another who knows how many months for.
Really sick in the MMO community of people thinking that this sort of thing that the Wildstar team is doing is acceptable and 'great'. It was cute the first few times it was done, now it's just irritating.
This is like a joke post right? It has to be a joke! ESO started off as anything but skyrim online, and the developers slowly turned a full 180, and made skyrim online! The devs of ESO have been so clueless as the direction of ESO it's not even funny!
The plan for Wildstar has always been the same!
Ohh wait, you aren't even talking about actual design decisions... You are talking about launch dates... MMOs get pushed back.... That happens, like always! Preorders without an official launch date?
This is a joke post right? Please tell me this is a joke.
ESO is absolutely no threat to Wildstar at all! First of all they are going after completely different audiences! Secondly, and most importantly, ESO will crash and burn. ESO is the 2nd tortanic, while Wildstar is WoW 2.0.
Originally posted by AndrewGoat
The biggest difference between Wildstar and ESO is that the developers of ESO seem to actually have a plan. Wildstar is just like 'We're launching at the end of 2013!!11' then doesn't, doesn't do beta invites correctly, has no launch date, has no preorder date, has nothing but a bunch of derpy 'DevSpeak' videos with a bunch of hipster sounding guys trying to act like the game is this great thing we should all wait another who knows how many months for.
Really sick in the MMO community of people thinking that this sort of thing that the Wildstar team is doing is acceptable and 'great'. It was cute the first few times it was done, now it's just irritating.
This is like a joke post right? It has to be a joke! ESO started off as anything but skyrim online, and the developers slowly turned a full 180, and made skyrim online! The devs of ESO have been so clueless as the direction of ESO it's not even funny!
The plan for Wildstar has always been the same!
Ohh wait, you aren't even talking about actual design decisions... You are talking about launch dates... MMOs get pushed back.... That happens, like always! Preorders without an official launch date?
This is a joke post right? Please tell me this is a joke.
Damn those ESO developers for listening to feedback! What complete fools!
Originally posted by Deleted User I think Wildstar will be versing titles such as SWTOR and WoW.
Interesting thought.
People who play SWTOR as F2P will try Wildstar or not and can carry on playing SWTOR if they wish. People who sub to SWTORs are probably diehard and content - not that there can be many left EA having announced significant drops in sub revenue for the last 3 quarters due primarily or jointly to SWTOR.
WoW players - could give Wildstar a try - WoW must have a lot of leaving and returning players.
I suspect they would really really like to launch 3 months after Warlord's!
But that will (probably) put them up against Destiny.
As the saying goes caught between a rock and a hard place.
Wildstar is the game you love at first but eventually grow to hate.
ESO is the game you hate at first but eventually grow to love.
I wasn't expecting it at all, in fact I only downloaded ESO to see how bad it really was. It was really fucking terrible too, but during that weekend I had nothing better to do so I stuck with it. Once I hit level 10, tried the pvp and shit things changed, I suddenly couldn't stop playing.
Wildstar has been the exact opposite. I was really excited at first and I really enjoyed the first few hours, but beyond that it's frankly been a struggle. It's just a very boring game. It's a game I've played too many times before and I can't be bothered with. It's not intentional by anymeans, I just don't feel logging in. Shit I'veo nly been in three beta weekends and this time I haven't even gained a level because I just couldn't be arsed.
I hope there is enough people who'll love wildstar though because I really think they're doing a lot of good stuff, I just won't be one of you.
The biggest difference between Wildstar and ESO is that the developers of ESO seem to actually have a plan. Wildstar is just like 'We're launching at the end of 2013!!11' then doesn't, doesn't do beta invites correctly, has no launch date, has no preorder date, has nothing but a bunch of derpy 'DevSpeak' videos with a bunch of hipster sounding guys trying to act like the game is this great thing we should all wait another who knows how many months for.
Really sick in the MMO community of people thinking that this sort of thing that the Wildstar team is doing is acceptable and 'great'. It was cute the first few times it was done, now it's just irritating.
No plan? What are you talking about? Carbine has put together one of the most open, well-coordinated, and organized pre-launch productions I've seen in recent years. Their plan is "It's done when it's done." Sorry that doesn't fit into your time schedule, but I'd much rather have them making sure the game is 100% ready to go than rush it out the door.
Carbine has been terrific during the pre-launch schedule. Anyone who doesn't at least acknowledge that is a fool.
Wildstar is the game you love at first but eventually grow to hate.
ESO is the game you hate at first but eventually grow to love.
I wasn't expecting it at all, in fact I only downloaded ESO to see how bad it really was. It was really fucking terrible too, but during that weekend I had nothing better to do so I stuck with it. Once I hit level 10, tried the pvp and shit things changed, I suddenly couldn't stop playing.
Wildstar has been the exact opposite. I was really excited at first and I really enjoyed the first few hours, but beyond that it's frankly been a struggle. It's just a very boring game. It's a game I've played too many times before and I can't be bothered with. It's not intentional by anymeans, I just don't feel logging in. Shit I'veo nly been in three beta weekends and this time I haven't even gained a level because I just couldn't be arsed.
I hope there is enough people who'll love wildstar though because I really think they're doing a lot of good stuff, I just won't be one of you.
Really?
I had The same experience with both, boring and claustrophobic grind for the first two zones but then the 3rd zone opens up and the game broadens.
To me the only real things that sets ESO apart from Wildstar is RvR, art style,combat and Wildstar's 3rd zone is at least twice as large and not split into pop capped instances.Otherwise I found them similar.
Wildstar is the game you love at first but eventually grow to hate.
ESO is the game you hate at first but eventually grow to love.
I wasn't expecting it at all, in fact I only downloaded ESO to see how bad it really was. It was really fucking terrible too, but during that weekend I had nothing better to do so I stuck with it. Once I hit level 10, tried the pvp and shit things changed, I suddenly couldn't stop playing.
Wildstar has been the exact opposite. I was really excited at first and I really enjoyed the first few hours, but beyond that it's frankly been a struggle. It's just a very boring game. It's a game I've played too many times before and I can't be bothered with. It's not intentional by anymeans, I just don't feel logging in. Shit I'veo nly been in three beta weekends and this time I haven't even gained a level because I just couldn't be arsed.
I hope there is enough people who'll love wildstar though because I really think they're doing a lot of good stuff, I just won't be one of you.
Agree 100%. Same for me.. and it surprises me as well. The two first sentences of your post are so accurate. I was cheering for WS since the GamesCom 2011 and was very disappointed after playing it for a looong time.. it's getting worse and worse the further you get. ESO was the exact opposite. Just downloaded it because I wanted to see how bad it is.. the hate on the internet was so strong. Well.. I'll preorder it this week. The starter islands are a little bit boring but it opens up fast.
Wildstar is the game you love at first but eventually grow to hate.
ESO is the game you hate at first but eventually grow to love.
I wasn't expecting it at all, in fact I only downloaded ESO to see how bad it really was. It was really fucking terrible too, but during that weekend I had nothing better to do so I stuck with it. Once I hit level 10, tried the pvp and shit things changed, I suddenly couldn't stop playing.
Wildstar has been the exact opposite. I was really excited at first and I really enjoyed the first few hours, but beyond that it's frankly been a struggle. It's just a very boring game. It's a game I've played too many times before and I can't be bothered with. It's not intentional by anymeans, I just don't feel logging in. Shit I'veo nly been in three beta weekends and this time I haven't even gained a level because I just couldn't be arsed.
I hope there is enough people who'll love wildstar though because I really think they're doing a lot of good stuff, I just won't be one of you.
Agree 100%. Same for me.. and it surprises me as well. The two first sentences of your post are so accurate. I was cheering for WS since the GamesCom 2011 and was very disappointed after playing it for a looong time.. it's getting worse and worse the further you get. ESO was the exact opposite. Just downloaded it because I wanted to see how bad it is.. the hate on the internet was so strong. Well.. I'll preorder it this week. The starter islands are a little bit boring but it opens up fast.
Still those are opinions....
and despite currently favoring eso because of my personal opinion, i still see a bright future for Wildstar and the gogogo clickerdiclicky endgame crowd..
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
teso = didn't really pull me in in the start, dont like the combat on sorcerer, the quests,well i dont mind the go kill quests tbh. visual it's good but still the game feels like it's made to force people to play in groups ( not always my thing)
wildstar: pulled me in from the start tbh, i liked the feel of it, combat is good, skill fx are great, quests,like i said i dont mind allot of quests. paths are something new. as a solo player i didn't feel neglected as i was feeling in teso. but for howlong will wildstar actually intrest me?
these games have imo close to nothing in common player wise and comparing them is( this for me is the same to every other person that compares games) stupid. in the end it's " u " and your opinion, and pick a game on that not what others tell u.
anyway both games will do great imo but for how long will depend on what content they will add after launch.
and despite currently favoring eso because of my personal opinion, i still see a bright future for Wildstar and the gogogo clickerdiclicky endgame crowd..
Sure it's my opinion. You don't have to down grade my statement just because it's an opinion.. it's based on facts for the most part. The rest is a matter of taste. If you like that hectic combat style and the same questing as in WoW.. why not? I just said that it surprises me how the tides have turned. You really have to ask yourself which kind of playstyle you prefer instead of looking at the fancy DevSpeak videos. That was my fault.
Have any of you ESO fan boys compared the combat 'feel' of either game? You can go on all you want targeting for different audiences but at the end of the day it's an mmo. I've played both betas and although ESO looks pretty, it feels like controlling a pile of rocks instead of a fluid character. Wildstar hit the nail on the head with their combat design and character 'feel' and regardless of how 'ultra-realistic' ESO looks, it handles like a beater compared to a sportscar.
I was super excited for ESO after the trailers last year and was abysmally disappointed after getting my hands on playing it. Who cares how immersive the story line and environment is when it feels like your character is a proverbial meat sack bumbling around hitting things. Also have you tried any dungeons or pvp?! The holy trinity is the way to go. It's a complete cluster **** in ESO.
By default anyone interested in an mmo this spring or summer should be playing wildstar if they have any experience with how an MMO SHOULD play. Elder scrolls missed the boat when hoping to cross over to the MMO genre. That's the only way they aren't comparable.
I wouldn't agree with that at all in terms of the PvE. The PvP, sure, but as far as PvE goes the heavy focus on narrative driven solo play makes it more ESO vs. TOR, while the weak and tacked on story makes it Wildstar vs. GW2.
Originally posted by Ariely
teso = didn't really pull me in in the start, dont like the combat on sorcerer, the quests,well i dont mind the go kill quests tbh. visual it's good but still the game feels like it's made to force people to play in groups ( not always my thing)
wildstar: pulled me in from the start tbh, i liked the feel of it, combat is good, skill fx are great, quests,like i said i dont mind allot of quests. paths are something new. as a solo player i didn't feel neglected as i was feeling in teso. but for howlong will wildstar actually intrest me?
Are you sure you didn't get the names confused? Outside PvP, almost none of the content in TESO needs a group, the way the phasing work actually makes it hard to have a group even if you want one much of the time. Whereas livestreams of Wildstar clearly demonstrate that it's overreliance on AoE attacks makes it very easy to pull more enemies than you intended at a time, making it a game where being in a group is extremely beneficial even when doing things that are technically soloable.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
It amuses me more when folks compare ESO to WoW. Word on the grapevine is ESO is just a WoW clone with an Elder Scrolls skin, but shh.. it's a secret!
I actually thoroughly enjoyed my time in the ESO beta, enough to warrant a pre-order. Although having tried on numerous occasions, I could never "get into" WoW.
With regards to WildStar, it's a solid game but doesn't peak my interest. The ESO vs WildStar battle was always inevitable, I have no doubt they'll both be successful however.
Originally posted by Benjignome Have any of you ESO fan boys compared the combat 'feel' of either game? You can go on all you want targeting for different audiences but at the end of the day it's an mmo. I've played both betas and although ESO looks pretty, it feels like controlling a pile of rocks instead of a fluid character. Wildstar hit the nail on the head with their combat design and character 'feel' and regardless of how 'ultra-realistic' ESO looks, it handles like a beater compared to a sportscar.
I was super excited for ESO after the trailers last year and was abysmally disappointed after getting my hands on playing it. Who cares how immersive the story line and environment is when it feels like your character is a proverbial meat sack bumbling around hitting things. Also have you tried any dungeons or pvp?! The holy trinity is the way to go. It's a complete cluster **** in ESO.
By default anyone interested in an mmo this spring or summer should be playing wildstar if they have any experience with how an MMO SHOULD play. Elder scrolls missed the boat when hoping to cross over to the MMO genre. That's the only way they aren't comparable.
Is it really necessary to call all people who are preferring ESO over WS "fanboys"? Look at the replies once again. I just played Morrowind back in the days. Never touched Skyrim or other ES games. I'm not a fanboy. I'm just saying that I switched sides after playing both. Yes, the combat system of WS is one of its (few) positive aspects. I like it. But on the other hand ESO's combat system is also fine.. slower and more tactical with active blocking etc. In my eyes it's just a matter of taste which one you prefer. And to be honest.. I never felt that my character is just a "meat sack bumbling around hitting things".
WS appeals more to the classic WoW crowd which isn't a bad thing. People who enjoy hectical combat action and the whacky humor will enjoy it. ESO aims more at people who want to explore and be immersed in the story and gaming world (i.e. oldschool RPG players). Both are good games but with a different target audience. So please stop calling everybody a fanboy who's enjoying a game you didn't enjoy. That's immature.
If noone can like both ESO and Wildstar, why is it that your best MMO experiences include both daoc and WoW?
If a player rejected one game that they tested, they liked the same kind of gameplay more in the other game. Its not until you reach deep into both games that they truly become different and that's not why people disliked eso or wildstar during betas.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
I've played both betas, and I have to say that ESO questing is much more immersive. WS questing gave me the feeling that I've done this a million times in WoW.
Originally posted by funcon I've played both betas, and I have to say that ESO questing is much more immersive. WS questing gave me the feeling that I've done this a million times in WoW.
Yeah, Wildstar definitely gives off a Space WoW vibe, right down to the "good" faction having the token creepy undead race.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
The biggest difference between Wildstar and ESO is that the developers of ESO seem to actually have a plan. Wildstar is just like 'We're launching at the end of 2013!!11' then doesn't, doesn't do beta invites correctly, has no launch date, has no preorder date, has nothing but a bunch of derpy 'DevSpeak' videos with a bunch of hipster sounding guys trying to act like the game is this great thing we should all wait another who knows how many months for.
Really sick in the MMO community of people thinking that this sort of thing that the Wildstar team is doing is acceptable and 'great'. It was cute the first few times it was done, now it's just irritating.
So bascially what you are saying Wildstar devs are like blizzard? Cause if so, as much as I dislike what blizzard has done lately, they are making quite a killing still with the "ready when its ready" focus on polish approach.
I personally prefere finished projects rather then rushed out games attempting to cash in.
RE Zelaex I said ESO fanboy not Elder Scrolls/skyrim fanboy, try to keep things in context. A fanboy is an enthusiastic devotee and if you're pinning for ESO it's an apt term. In no way, shape or form is it immature. Stop taking offence to something if you can't grasp the meaning of it. Cry me a river.
Back to the topic, ESO hitting the mark for classic RPGers only further supports my point in identifying that it's a poorly tuned MMO for the multi-player aspect of that acronym. Player interactions are lack lustre in ESO and pvp or group pve facets are in MY OPINION (since that's all this thread is about) much more polished in Wildstar.
The comparison between games is inevitable due to release date and genre of game. Simple concept.
While comparisons are inevitable, I feel both games fit the niche they are looking for perfect. ESO is appealing to a broader range of players while WildStar is attempting to capitalize on the saturday morning cartoon raid crowd from WoW. I feel both will be successful in what they do and the players they are attempting to bring in, but fundamentally these two games have nothing in common beyond both being MMORPG's.
I look forward to the release of both as it will draw more players back into the genre I feel.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Originally posted by Benjignome RE Zelaex I said ESO fanboy not Elder Scrolls/skyrim fanboy, try to keep things in context. A fanboy is an enthusiastic devotee and if you're pinning for ESO it's an apt term. In no way, shape or form is it immature. Stop taking offence to something if you can't grasp the meaning of it. Cry me a river.
Back to the topic, ESO hitting the mark for classic RPGers only further supports my point in identifying that it's a poorly tuned MMO for the multi-player aspect of that acronym. Player interactions are lack lustre in ESO and pvp or group pve facets are in MY OPINION (since that's all this thread is about) much more polished in Wildstar.
The comparison between games is inevitable due to release date and genre of game. Simple concept.
Wait, so you are arguing that doing RPG well necessarily means doing MMO poorly?
As for fanboys, I would argue that the term applies to people who are excessively/irrationally devoted, not simply people who like a game.
In regard to PvP, I would argue that it isn't even appropriate to compare ESO and Wildstar, because they are delivering fundamentally different types of PvP. Obviously Wildstar's e-sport PvP is better, because ESO doesn't have any, and obviously ESO's dedicated large scale warfare zone is better, because Wildstar doesn't have one. Apples and oranges.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
By default anyone interested in an mmo this spring or summer should be playing wildstar if they have any experience with how an MMO SHOULD play. Elder scrolls missed the boat when hoping to cross over to the MMO genre. That's the only way they aren't comparable.
Yeah...Just no. You dislike ESO, good for you. Telling others how they should experience anything, is simply fail.
Why is condescension the norm for trying to bolster an opinion, it does little but make the poster lose credibility.
I didn't tell anyone how to experience anything, I stated my opinion between various facets of either game. If you don't like that and call it condescending that's your opinion. I based my views on time spent playing both which lends to my credibility along with time spent dabbling in the MMO genre.
I stated my preference for games based on my own opinion and analysis of game characteristics. It continues to amaze me how thin some people's skin is in relation to opinion threads.
The title of said thread is no comparison and based on my previous posts a comparison is inevitable.
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ESO is absolutely no threat to Wildstar at all! First of all they are going after completely different audiences! Secondly, and most importantly, ESO will crash and burn. ESO is the 2nd tortanic, while Wildstar is WoW 2.0.
This is like a joke post right? It has to be a joke! ESO started off as anything but skyrim online, and the developers slowly turned a full 180, and made skyrim online! The devs of ESO have been so clueless as the direction of ESO it's not even funny!
The plan for Wildstar has always been the same!
Ohh wait, you aren't even talking about actual design decisions... You are talking about launch dates... MMOs get pushed back.... That happens, like always! Preorders without an official launch date?
This is a joke post right? Please tell me this is a joke.
Damn those ESO developers for listening to feedback! What complete fools!
TESO and Wildstar are MMO rivals
like
GW2 and SWTOR were.
its something you have to except.
Go back and read the forum here for those two games before their release. you will see what I mean.
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Interesting thought.
People who play SWTOR as F2P will try Wildstar or not and can carry on playing SWTOR if they wish. People who sub to SWTORs are probably diehard and content - not that there can be many left EA having announced significant drops in sub revenue for the last 3 quarters due primarily or jointly to SWTOR.
WoW players - could give Wildstar a try - WoW must have a lot of leaving and returning players.
I suspect they would really really like to launch 3 months after Warlord's!
But that will (probably) put them up against Destiny.
Wildstar is the game you love at first but eventually grow to hate.
ESO is the game you hate at first but eventually grow to love.
I wasn't expecting it at all, in fact I only downloaded ESO to see how bad it really was. It was really fucking terrible too, but during that weekend I had nothing better to do so I stuck with it. Once I hit level 10, tried the pvp and shit things changed, I suddenly couldn't stop playing.
Wildstar has been the exact opposite. I was really excited at first and I really enjoyed the first few hours, but beyond that it's frankly been a struggle. It's just a very boring game. It's a game I've played too many times before and I can't be bothered with. It's not intentional by anymeans, I just don't feel logging in. Shit I'veo nly been in three beta weekends and this time I haven't even gained a level because I just couldn't be arsed.
I hope there is enough people who'll love wildstar though because I really think they're doing a lot of good stuff, I just won't be one of you.
No plan? What are you talking about? Carbine has put together one of the most open, well-coordinated, and organized pre-launch productions I've seen in recent years. Their plan is "It's done when it's done." Sorry that doesn't fit into your time schedule, but I'd much rather have them making sure the game is 100% ready to go than rush it out the door.
Carbine has been terrific during the pre-launch schedule. Anyone who doesn't at least acknowledge that is a fool.
Really?
I had The same experience with both, boring and claustrophobic grind for the first two zones but then the 3rd zone opens up and the game broadens.
To me the only real things that sets ESO apart from Wildstar is RvR, art style,combat and Wildstar's 3rd zone is at least twice as large and not split into pop capped instances.Otherwise I found them similar.
I agree. It's more like
Wildstar vs SWTOR and
TESO vs GW2
Agree 100%. Same for me.. and it surprises me as well. The two first sentences of your post are so accurate. I was cheering for WS since the GamesCom 2011 and was very disappointed after playing it for a looong time.. it's getting worse and worse the further you get. ESO was the exact opposite. Just downloaded it because I wanted to see how bad it is.. the hate on the internet was so strong. Well.. I'll preorder it this week. The starter islands are a little bit boring but it opens up fast.
Elite: Dangerous - Space Exploration & Trading.
Still those are opinions....
and despite currently favoring eso because of my personal opinion, i still see a bright future for Wildstar and the gogogo clickerdiclicky endgame crowd..
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
i tested both of the games in beta :
teso = didn't really pull me in in the start, dont like the combat on sorcerer, the quests,well i dont mind the go kill quests tbh. visual it's good but still the game feels like it's made to force people to play in groups ( not always my thing)
wildstar: pulled me in from the start tbh, i liked the feel of it, combat is good, skill fx are great, quests,like i said i dont mind allot of quests. paths are something new. as a solo player i didn't feel neglected as i was feeling in teso. but for howlong will wildstar actually intrest me?
these games have imo close to nothing in common player wise and comparing them is( this for me is the same to every other person that compares games) stupid. in the end it's " u " and your opinion, and pick a game on that not what others tell u.
anyway both games will do great imo but for how long will depend on what content they will add after launch.
Sure it's my opinion. You don't have to down grade my statement just because it's an opinion.. it's based on facts for the most part. The rest is a matter of taste. If you like that hectic combat style and the same questing as in WoW.. why not? I just said that it surprises me how the tides have turned. You really have to ask yourself which kind of playstyle you prefer instead of looking at the fancy DevSpeak videos. That was my fault.
Elite: Dangerous - Space Exploration & Trading.
I was super excited for ESO after the trailers last year and was abysmally disappointed after getting my hands on playing it. Who cares how immersive the story line and environment is when it feels like your character is a proverbial meat sack bumbling around hitting things. Also have you tried any dungeons or pvp?! The holy trinity is the way to go. It's a complete cluster **** in ESO.
By default anyone interested in an mmo this spring or summer should be playing wildstar if they have any experience with how an MMO SHOULD play. Elder scrolls missed the boat when hoping to cross over to the MMO genre. That's the only way they aren't comparable.
I wouldn't agree with that at all in terms of the PvE. The PvP, sure, but as far as PvE goes the heavy focus on narrative driven solo play makes it more ESO vs. TOR, while the weak and tacked on story makes it Wildstar vs. GW2.
Are you sure you didn't get the names confused? Outside PvP, almost none of the content in TESO needs a group, the way the phasing work actually makes it hard to have a group even if you want one much of the time. Whereas livestreams of Wildstar clearly demonstrate that it's overreliance on AoE attacks makes it very easy to pull more enemies than you intended at a time, making it a game where being in a group is extremely beneficial even when doing things that are technically soloable.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
It amuses me more when folks compare ESO to WoW. Word on the grapevine is ESO is just a WoW clone with an Elder Scrolls skin, but shh.. it's a secret!
I actually thoroughly enjoyed my time in the ESO beta, enough to warrant a pre-order. Although having tried on numerous occasions, I could never "get into" WoW.
With regards to WildStar, it's a solid game but doesn't peak my interest. The ESO vs WildStar battle was always inevitable, I have no doubt they'll both be successful however.
Is it really necessary to call all people who are preferring ESO over WS "fanboys"? Look at the replies once again. I just played Morrowind back in the days. Never touched Skyrim or other ES games. I'm not a fanboy. I'm just saying that I switched sides after playing both. Yes, the combat system of WS is one of its (few) positive aspects. I like it. But on the other hand ESO's combat system is also fine.. slower and more tactical with active blocking etc. In my eyes it's just a matter of taste which one you prefer. And to be honest.. I never felt that my character is just a "meat sack bumbling around hitting things".
WS appeals more to the classic WoW crowd which isn't a bad thing. People who enjoy hectical combat action and the whacky humor will enjoy it. ESO aims more at people who want to explore and be immersed in the story and gaming world (i.e. oldschool RPG players). Both are good games but with a different target audience. So please stop calling everybody a fanboy who's enjoying a game you didn't enjoy. That's immature.
Elite: Dangerous - Space Exploration & Trading.
If noone can like both ESO and Wildstar, why is it that your best MMO experiences include both daoc and WoW?
If a player rejected one game that they tested, they liked the same kind of gameplay more in the other game. Its not until you reach deep into both games that they truly become different and that's not why people disliked eso or wildstar during betas.
Yeah, Wildstar definitely gives off a Space WoW vibe, right down to the "good" faction having the token creepy undead race.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
So bascially what you are saying Wildstar devs are like blizzard? Cause if so, as much as I dislike what blizzard has done lately, they are making quite a killing still with the "ready when its ready" focus on polish approach.
I personally prefere finished projects rather then rushed out games attempting to cash in.
Back to the topic,
ESO hitting the mark for classic RPGers only further supports my point in identifying that it's a poorly tuned MMO for the multi-player aspect of that acronym. Player interactions are lack lustre in ESO and pvp or group pve facets are in MY OPINION (since that's all this thread is about) much more polished in Wildstar.
The comparison between games is inevitable due to release date and genre of game. Simple concept.
While comparisons are inevitable, I feel both games fit the niche they are looking for perfect. ESO is appealing to a broader range of players while WildStar is attempting to capitalize on the saturday morning cartoon raid crowd from WoW. I feel both will be successful in what they do and the players they are attempting to bring in, but fundamentally these two games have nothing in common beyond both being MMORPG's.
I look forward to the release of both as it will draw more players back into the genre I feel.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Wait, so you are arguing that doing RPG well necessarily means doing MMO poorly?
As for fanboys, I would argue that the term applies to people who are excessively/irrationally devoted, not simply people who like a game.
In regard to PvP, I would argue that it isn't even appropriate to compare ESO and Wildstar, because they are delivering fundamentally different types of PvP. Obviously Wildstar's e-sport PvP is better, because ESO doesn't have any, and obviously ESO's dedicated large scale warfare zone is better, because Wildstar doesn't have one. Apples and oranges.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Yeah...Just no. You dislike ESO, good for you. Telling others how they should experience anything, is simply fail.
Why is condescension the norm for trying to bolster an opinion, it does little but make the poster lose credibility.
I stated my preference for games based on my own opinion and analysis of game characteristics. It continues to amaze me how thin some people's skin is in relation to opinion threads.
The title of said thread is no comparison and based on my previous posts a comparison is inevitable.