WoW is top grind game very smart implemented:p

Classicstar · January 2006

Yes you read it good its maybe one of easyed games to play and to reach lvl cap but its one of biggest grind games out there is.

Most dont even know they do endless grinding they whine about l2 or some other mmorpgs, but WoW is doing it in smarter way and about 80 to 90% of players do that grind instance over and over again or some areas in west or east plague lands.

Many gold farmers zillions of sites for buying gold i play on several servers and i get on some of them almost everyday /w to buy gold on there sites i report get fast reply from blizzard that they take action but /w keep comming everyday.

WoW=grind grind grind BORING!!!!

Maca0716 · January 2006

Originally posted by forest-nl
Yes you read it good its maybe one of easyed games to play and to reach lvl cap but its one of biggest grind games out there is.
Most dont even know they do endless grinding they whine about l2 or some other mmorpgs, but WoW is doing it in smarter way and about 80 to 90% of players do that grind instance over and over again or some areas in west or east plague lands.
Many gold farmers zillions of sites for buying gold i play on several servers and i get on some of them almost everyday /w to buy gold on there sites i report get fast reply from blizzard that they take action but /w keep comming everyday.
WoW=grind grind grind BORING!!!!

But over 5mill people are enjoying the game hence its doing something right.. its actually fun! you know? guess not.

Classicstar · January 2006

Yes and no, its fun but after a while and thats after a half a year its starting to be very boring.

Well for me that is i have 5 lvl60 on 4 servers and done most instance not new one from patch1.9 cant bring myself to play anymore:(

Also community i dont like much, thats me offcorse but they are to immature for me.

But yes 5million play it.

Alot are new to game i started in june 2004 close beta hehe so bordem for me:(

When i started with wow i hoped to play it for years but know i know it wont happen to much of the same:(

From lvl1 kill 10 mobs to lvl60 kill 10mobs lol yes some quest are more complicated but only a few are like that.

What you do at 60 is endless MC runs also BORING:(

Gameloading · January 2006

Originally posted by forest-nl
Yes you read it good its maybe one of easyed games to play and to reach lvl cap but its one of biggest grind games out there is.
Most dont even know they do endless grinding they whine about l2 or some other mmorpgs, but WoW is doing it in smarter way and about 80 to 90% of players do that grind instance over and over again or some areas in west or east plague lands.
Many gold farmers zillions of sites for buying gold i play on several servers and i get on some of them almost everyday /w to buy gold on there sites i report get fast reply from blizzard that they take action but /w keep comming everyday.
WoW=grind grind grind BORING!!!!

newflash:there has never been an mmorpg created that didn't involve grinding.

in Wow you grind instances/quests
in L2 you grind mobs
in EQ2 you grind quests
in EVE you grind web browsers waiting for your skill to be learned or travel time to finish
even UO had grinding.
FFXI had grinding.

every mmorpg has grinding

Tithrielle · January 2006

Most of the grinding is disguised (ie kill 10 Zombie type quests). However, WoW is definitely one of the LEAST grind-based MMOs as the majority of experience comes from quest rewards rather than Mob kills. At least in WoW there's a purpose to grinding unlike old-EQ, DAoC etc.

Umbrood · January 2006

Originally posted by Gameloading

newflash:there has never been an mmorpg created that didn't involve grinding.

in Wow you grind instances/quests
in L2 you grind mobs
in EQ2 you grind quests
in EVE you grind web browsers waiting for your skill to be learned or travel time to finish
even UO had grinding.
FFXI had grinding.

every mmorpg has grinding

Exactly, and the winner is the one who hides the grinding best, and that is obviously WoW.

Im not a WoW fan at all, ( quit soon after I hit 60 ) but one have to admire their ability to create EXACTLY what people seem to want.

shae · January 2006

Originally posted by forest-nl

Yes and no, its fun but after a while and thats after a half a year its starting to be very boring.
Well for me that is i have 5 lvl60 on 4 servers and done most instance not new one from patch1.9 cant bring myself to play anymore:(
Also community i dont like much, thats me offcorse but they are to immature for me.
But yes 5million play it.
Alot are new to game i started in june 2004 close beta hehe so bordem for me:(
When i started with wow i hoped to play it for years but know i know it wont happen to much of the same:(
From lvl1 kill 10 mobs to lvl60 kill 10mobs lol yes some quest are more complicated but only a few are like that.
What you do at 60 is endless MC runs also BORING:(

WoW, like many other mmo's, can be sped through and tossed over by grinding. This isn't the fault of the game or the game dynamics anymore then it is your fault. It is a choice of play style, if thats how you wish to play the game, then by all means do so and have a wonderfuly great time while your at it but if you bore yourself by doing this, why does this mean that the game is all of a sudden so horrible ?

Want something to do other then endless MC runs at end level? How about starting social events, attend social events, help a new guild start up, go to starter zones and donate 5 Gold peices to the first newbie that reaches you, attend mount races / if your server has none start one, start a class coalition, things like huge big city raids can be done on all server types and can be an absolute blast to organize and be appart of.

Try to remember that these are social games, they are ment to be played socially, yes they can be used to do exactly what you've done with a cetain amount of enjoyment, as you've had, but that will only last you so long and eventually you will either get bored and move on or you will enjoy the game for whats it supposed to be, a multiplayer experience.

porgie · January 2006

Originally posted by Umbrood

Originally posted by Gameloading

newflash:there has never been an mmorpg created that didn't involve grinding.

in Wow you grind instances/quests
in L2 you grind mobs
in EQ2 you grind quests
in EVE you grind web browsers waiting for your skill to be learned or travel time to finish
even UO had grinding.
FFXI had grinding.
every mmorpg has grinding

Exactly, and the winner is the one who hides the grinding best, and that is obviously WoW.
Im not a WoW fan at all, ( quit soon after I hit 60 ) but one have to admire their ability to create EXACTLY what people seem to want.

I got to 60 in less than two months. The only reason I kept playing that long was because I just wanted to see what was at the end (I kept telling myself it was Warcraft, doh). Answer: NOTHING. I saw it, it was a dead end. Nothing else to do but the same thing over and over. And I had to grind to get there. "Go kill me X of these, Y of those, and bring me some friggin brew while you're at it."

It doesn't seem to me like they created EXACTLY what people want if so many people quit soon after 60. Sounds to me like they created a typical single player game that just happens to include others playing with you. That's not what MMO's are supposed to be. They're supposed to be endless adventure with awesome stuff happening when you reach the max level. That's why it's a goal to get there.

You prove my point by saying you quit soon after 60. How come if it's exactly what people want you didn't keep going? I know it wasn't because you enjoy Fantasy Capture The Flag.

Maca0716 · January 2006

Originally posted by porgie
Originally posted by Umbrood Originally posted by Gameloading
newflash:there has never been an mmorpg created that didn't involve grinding.in Wow you grind instances/questsin L2 you grind mobsin EQ2 you grind questsin EVE you grind web browsers waiting for your skill to be learned or travel time to finisheven UO had grinding.FFXI had grinding.
every mmorpg has grinding
Exactly, and the winner is the one who hides the grinding best, and that is obviously WoW.
Im not a WoW fan at all, ( quit soon after I hit 60 ) but one have to admire their ability to create EXACTLY what people seem to want.
I got to 60 in less than two months. The only reason I kept playing that long was because I just wanted to see what was at the end (I kept telling myself it was Warcraft, doh). Answer: NOTHING. I saw it, it was a dead end. Nothing else to do but the same thing over and over. And I had to grind to get there. "Go kill me X of these, Y of those, and bring me some friggin brew while you're at it." It doesn't seem to me like they created EXACTLY what people want if so many people quit soon after 60. Sounds to me like they created a typical single player game that just happens to include others playing with you. That's not what MMO's are supposed to be. They're supposed to be endless adventure with awesome stuff happening when you reach the max level. That's why it's a goal to get there. You prove my point by saying you quit soon after 60. How come if it's exactly what people want you didn't keep going? I know it wasn't because you enjoy Fantasy Capture The Flag.

Where do you get this so many people quit after hitting 60? they have 5 million players dude.. not all of them players are guys who just got the game yesterday.

WoW is the top MMORPG and will be for a while.. even then i am sure blizzard are already planning a new game entirely.

Umbrood · January 2006

Originally posted by porgie
I got to 60 in less than two months. The only reason I kept playing that long was because I just wanted to see what was at the end (I kept telling myself it was Warcraft, doh). Answer: NOTHING. I saw it, it was a dead end. Nothing else to do but the same thing over and over. And I had to grind to get there. "Go kill me X of these, Y of those, and bring me some friggin brew while you're at it."

It doesn't seem to me like they created EXACTLY what people want if so many people quit soon after 60. Sounds to me like they created a typical single player game that just happens to include others playing with you. That's not what MMO's are supposed to be. They're supposed to be endless adventure with awesome stuff happening when you reach the max level. That's why it's a goal to get there.

You prove my point by saying you quit soon after 60. How come if it's exactly what people want you didn't keep going? I know it wasn't because you enjoy Fantasy Capture The Flag.

Well I am basing that on the obvious fact that this is THE most successful MMO ever created, perhaps not compared to actual player numbers if you compare with some of the crazy korean games out there.

But from a financial standpoint as well as this is THE most played game in western countries EVER.

I really do not know what other fact one could require to see that MANY actually do like this game, in fact WoW probably holds something like 40-50% of ALL MMO players in the US and Europe.

porgie · January 2006

Originally posted by Maca0716

Originally posted by porgie

Originally posted by Umbrood

Originally posted by Gameloading
newflash:there has never been an mmorpg created that didn't involve grinding.
in Wow you grind instances/questsin L2 you grind mobsin EQ2 you grind questsin EVE you grind web browsers waiting for your skill to be learned or travel time to finisheven UO had grinding.FFXI had grinding.
every mmorpg has grinding

Exactly, and the winner is the one who hides the grinding best, and that is obviously WoW.
Im not a WoW fan at all, ( quit soon after I hit 60 ) but one have to admire their ability to create EXACTLY what people seem to want.

I got to 60 in less than two months. The only reason I kept playing that long was because I just wanted to see what was at the end (I kept telling myself it was Warcraft, doh). Answer: NOTHING. I saw it, it was a dead end. Nothing else to do but the same thing over and over. And I had to grind to get there. "Go kill me X of these, Y of those, and bring me some friggin brew while you're at it." It doesn't seem to me like they created EXACTLY what people want if so many people quit soon after 60. Sounds to me like they created a typical single player game that just happens to include others playing with you. That's not what MMO's are supposed to be. They're supposed to be endless adventure with awesome stuff happening when you reach the max level. That's why it's a goal to get there. You prove my point by saying you quit soon after 60. How come if it's exactly what people want you didn't keep going? I know it wasn't because you enjoy Fantasy Capture The Flag.

Where do you get this so many people quit after hitting 60? they have 5 million players dude.. not all of them players are guys who just got the game yesterday.

WoW is the top MMORPG and will be for a while.. even then i am sure blizzard are already planning a new game entirely.

Popularity means poo to me.

It doesn't matter if they've got 5 million players right now. Where did you guys buy into this myth that what's popular is what's best anyways? Try using a little more critical perspective on your analysis. I hope you don't do all your shopping by the popularity rule you've bought into here. To relate something's quality to it's popularity is a time proven fallacious argument.

In this case, what matters is how many copies they've sold compared to how many people are still playing. They've been around for just a little more than a year. The ratio of bought games to present accounts is where you need to be looking. And then compare that ratio to other games ratios after their first year.

Then you can determine if someone has hit on what is good for the people playing.

porgie · January 2006

Originally posted by Umbrood

Originally posted by porgie
I got to 60 in less than two months. The only reason I kept playing that long was because I just wanted to see what was at the end (I kept telling myself it was Warcraft, doh). Answer: NOTHING. I saw it, it was a dead end. Nothing else to do but the same thing over and over. And I had to grind to get there. "Go kill me X of these, Y of those, and bring me some friggin brew while you're at it."

It doesn't seem to me like they created EXACTLY what people want if so many people quit soon after 60. Sounds to me like they created a typical single player game that just happens to include others playing with you. That's not what MMO's are supposed to be. They're supposed to be endless adventure with awesome stuff happening when you reach the max level. That's why it's a goal to get there.

You prove my point by saying you quit soon after 60. How come if it's exactly what people want you didn't keep going? I know it wasn't because you enjoy Fantasy Capture The Flag.

Well I am basing that on the obvious fact that this is THE most successful MMO ever created, perhaps not compared to actual player numbers if you compare with some of the crazy korean games out there.
But from a financial standpoint as well as this is THE most played game in western countries EVER.
I really do not know what other fact one could require to see that MANY actually do like this game, in fact WoW probably holds something like 40-50% of ALL MMO players in the US and Europe.

Like I said before... (hehe)

Popularity means poo to me.

It doesn't matter if they've got 5 million players right now. Where did you guys buy into this myth that what's popular is what's best anyways? Try using a little more critical perspective on your analysis. I hope you don't do all your shopping by the popularity rule you've bought into here. To relate something's quality to it's popularity is a time proven fallacious argument.

In this case, what matters is how many copies they've sold compared to how many people are still playing. They've been around for just a little more than a year. The ratio of bought games to present accounts is where you need to be looking. And then compare that ratio to other games ratios after their first year.

Then you can determine if someone has hit on what is good for the people playing.

upallnight · January 2006

That would be an interesting analysis. From the people that I know personally who have bought the game, most of them don't hang in there for more than a few months of playing. Then they've gone back to the games they were playing before. It was like a little retreat for a few months then back to what they liked before. I would suspect that the turnover rate for WoW is high. And from what I've seen personally I would suspect not too many players who quit end up going back.

But they get the money from the bought game and then the few months subscription. So I guess they've done all they really needed to do to make their money.

I agree though, popularity is no measure of quality.

VenQWish · January 2006

Hmmm, I think there's this game, where you get 5 minutes to shoot the opposite team, if that's done, you get another 5 minutes, and then again, and again... I can't remember what it was called, but it was something with terrorists and counters or something. That and it's still hugely popular.

/sarcasm off

Anyway, WoW got popular thanks to Warcraft, the fanbase it had collected clearly paid off. As said before, every MMO has grinding.

As Shae said, being social is part of these games. I played Lineage 2 which has about the worst mob grind ever, but I had a good friend with me most of the time, it rocked! Then played WoW, closed beta, when American open beta started everyone was there, the world was empty => got bored after 3 weeks.

Just try to level AND make friends at the same time, people who hunt the same stuff like you do, who you can complement in their playing style (healer - tanker - ranger, something like those combinations). It makes the game so much more fun and rewarding then just racing to the finish, and discovering you actually did nothing or learned nothing in the process.

Umbrood · January 2006

Originally posted by porgie

Like I said before... (hehe)

Popularity means poo to me.

It doesn't matter if they've got 5 million players right now. Where did you guys buy into this myth that what's popular is what's best anyways? Try using a little more critical perspective on your analysis. I hope you don't do all your shopping by the popularity rule you've bought into here. To relate something's quality to it's popularity is a time proven fallacious argument.

Well, "best" is really in the eye of the beholder, and I assuming, and hoping, almost none the WoW players as of today plays it under gun-point.

Meaning they indeed think it is the best game for them right now.

If this comes from the fact that most have not even tried anything else or whatver matters little.

As you speak of quality, how can you ever proof what is quality and what is not when it concern things as feeling?

The ONLY way to measure something like that is by the amoount of people who like it.

Everything else is just personal opinions.

Well so is numbers, but it is a LOT of personal opinions.

If we compare it to politics, wich is pretty much personal opinions as well.

At least here in Sweden we decide who will run this country by asking everyone, and who ever gets the MOST votes wins.

Just because you and me think it sucks, by our standards, ( wich may or may not be more educated and based on more experience ), does not mean we are right and they are wrong.

I do not like WoW, it is not a game for me, at all.

But I respect the opinion of 5 million people who thinks otherwise, and I live with it.

I find it much more fulfilling to say good things about things I like then bad things about thoose I do not.

And in all humility, my personal opinion is that this world would be a much better place if more did the same.

Do this mean I REQUIRE everyone to think as me?

No it does not, but I can ask them to, and whatever decision they make it IS the right one, wether I agree or not.

Laneo · January 2006

Originally posted by forest-nl
Yes you read it good its maybe one of easyed games to play and to reach lvl cap but its one of biggest grind games out there is.
Most dont even know they do endless grinding they whine about l2 or some other mmorpgs, but WoW is doing it in smarter way and about 80 to 90% of players do that grind instance over and over again or some areas in west or east plague lands.
Many gold farmers zillions of sites for buying gold i play on several servers and i get on some of them almost everyday /w to buy gold on there sites i report get fast reply from blizzard that they take action but /w keep comming everyday.
WoW=grind grind grind BORING!!!!

Your comparing this to L2? ROFL..HAHAHAHAA

WoW Level 1-60 sure is LESS grinding than L2!!!

WoW 1-60 = L2 1-25 in the same timeframe!

Datcyde · January 2006

I wouldnt realy call it grinding and L2 is 100x worst but i wish crafting was a bigger part in getting uber gear then running instances over and over maybe i would have stayed if it was.

Obadno · January 2006

To the original topic,

It was not implemented well at all, just my opinion

It felt like an esier version of EQ1, i hate just running from zone to zone, to kill the same mobs untill i ding, thats not fun, its mind numbing.

The quests were just a way to make you grind, I got to 20 in a little over 2 days, and i looked at what i had done and it felt like i didnt accomplish anything. I felt no connection to the game.

So i quite, its fun at first but gets boring quik. I agree wiht the idea of a turnover rate because everyone i know plays it for like a month or 2 then quits.

And 5 million have TRIED it, its true, in asia they play by an hourly fee so even if they play for 1 second they get counted as a 1 hour subscriber.

kimmar · January 2006

Originally posted by Umbrood

Originally posted by porgie

Like I said before... (hehe)

Popularity means poo to me.

It doesn't matter if they've got 5 million players right now. Where did you guys buy into this myth that what's popular is what's best anyways? Try using a little more critical perspective on your analysis. I hope you don't do all your shopping by the popularity rule you've bought into here. To relate something's quality to it's popularity is a time proven fallacious argument.

Well, "best" is really in the eye of the beholder, and I assuming, and hoping, almost none the WoW players as of today plays it under gun-point.

Meaning they indeed think it is the best game for them right now.

If this comes from the fact that most have not even tried anything else or whatver matters little.

As you speak of quality, how can you ever proof what is quality and what is not when it concern things as feeling?

The ONLY way to measure something like that is by the amoount of people who like it.

Everything else is just personal opinions.

Well so is numbers, but it is a LOT of personal opinions.

If we compare it to politics, wich is pretty much personal opinions as well.

At least here in Sweden we decide who will run this country by asking everyone, and who ever gets the MOST votes wins.

Just because you and me think it sucks, by our standards, ( wich may or may not be more educated and based on more experience ), does not mean we are right and they are wrong.

I do not like WoW, it is not a game for me, at all.

But I respect the opinion of 5 million people who thinks otherwise, and I live with it.

I find it much more fulfilling to say good things about things I like then bad things about thoose I do not.

And in all humility, my personal opinion is that this world would be a much better place if more did the same.

Do this mean I REQUIRE everyone to think as me?

No it does not, but I can ask them to, and whatever decision they make it IS the right one, wether I agree or not.

Well, in my country (the good old USA) our founding fathers had enough sense to not set up a Democracy but instead to put in place a Republic. We have this really cool thing called an electoral college. That's who elects our President, not the people. And thank God the founding fathers of America had the sense enough to know that the general public can sway with trends, be easily manipulated by shiny things, and at times make damn stupid decisions based on emotion that they regret later on. Usually, in the case of a President, when it's too late.

The masses can be easily persuaded. And sometimes it takes a while for them to come to their senses. This can be applied to many things. That's why we have an advertising industry. They're job is not just to introduce a product. They prey on the masses impressionablity.

Aldaron · January 2006

Originally posted by Umbrood

Well, "best" is really in the eye of the beholder, and I assuming, and hoping, almost none the WoW players as of today plays it under gun-point.

Just because you play it, doesn't mean you think it's the best, or even a good game. I played WoW for roughly 3-4 months right when it hit retail.

First month, I had fun. The rest...Well. I have a very eccentric attitude when it comes to gaming. Meaning I make sure I explore almost all facets of the game, and make sure I'm not missing something that makes it a gem.

In other words, I leveled one character to 55, and about 4 other classes to 30+.

Did I find a truth in the end? Yes...The truth that the game is a cookie cutter POS that tries to hide grind with "quests" which resemble repetitious errands and it offering no more than a stable game that has graphics from 3 years ago, and game mechanics from 6 years ago.

It's casual, simple, and just smoothely polished. Meaning it's awesome from a business point, because it sucks tons of players in, keeps them for a couple months, then they find out what it's about and quit; but not before they can make over $100 from you.

At least here in Sweden we decide who will run this country by asking everyone, and who ever gets the MOST votes wins.

You know why some people are considered intelligent? Because it's making a differentiation from the "normal"(unintelligent) and the "abnormal"(intelligent).

Frankly put, democracy is one of the most fouled up concepts in mankinds history, because the "normal" call the shots.

nomadian · January 2006

As the above posters said every mmorpg involves grinding. Blizzard though are quite sneaky in how they do it, for example theres one type of quest. Kill 12 dogs, kill 8 cats. And there will be more cats than dogs about.
Oh yeah an additional point, it seems with a lot of people that WoW provides the journey to 60 but then a lot are disappointed. That doesn't make it a bad game asuch because its got you to 60! if you play to 60 you must enjoy it in one form as its not a 1 day event, its something you have to invest time and choose to prioritize over other games. But the anticlimax of getting to the top, coupled with the unenjoyment which starts to set in near the higher levels gives people a bad taste. Currently, I'm playing different characters and enjoying them but I am noticing that this experience is lasting as far as level 40 then character advancement changes so as that all you are getting after those levels are upgrades to existing spells and the talent tree.

Which leads to me citing the main appeals of the game; character advancement and the community. The rest; well the environment sucks, the battlegrounds are too few, the levelling is too heavily focused around quests, the instances are bad, the pvp doesn't really exist. This I think explains a lot of the mixed bag reaction to WoW.

pingo · January 2006

Originally posted by Maca0716

Originally posted by forest-nl
Yes you read it good its maybe one of easyed games to play and to reach lvl cap but its one of biggest grind games out there is.
Most dont even know they do endless grinding they whine about l2 or some other mmorpgs, but WoW is doing it in smarter way and about 80 to 90% of players do that grind instance over and over again or some areas in west or east plague lands.
Many gold farmers zillions of sites for buying gold i play on several servers and i get on some of them almost everyday /w to buy gold on there sites i report get fast reply from blizzard that they take action but /w keep comming everyday.
WoW=grind grind grind BORING!!!!

But over 5mill people are enjoying the game hence its doing something right.. its actually fun! you know? guess not.

Honestly, I don't think it's fun post 60. Not in PvP, crafting or community.

And personally I just don't enjoy Raids. But that's just me.

Kjarl · January 2006

Ok I dont know where the artical went but after X-mas of 05 the number went from 5million CURRENT subscribers to over 7 million. And by Current I mean active accounts so not counting the people that did leave.

I have a level 60 dwarf warrior who has been in EXACTLY 16 groups total. I skipped any quest that would require me to group, I did the mob grind alot and any "footwork" quests or kill quests. I LOVED it, I Freaking H A T E ! Quests because an MMO quest = too damn much time for nothing important. A true quest could only be done O N C E! 7 million people cant find the one and only Hand of Butthead. THERES ONLY ONE!!! RAAWWWRRRR. LOL Ok rant off.

On a side note I have 42 toons scattered over many many servers. I Tend to play a toon for about an hour or so at most so they A L L have rested status so I get 200% exp each time I play. I think my lowest level character is 13 now and just started him about 2 days ago.

pingo · January 2006

Originally posted by Kjarl

Ok I dont know where the artical went but after X-mas of 05 the number went from 5million CURRENT subscribers to over 7 million. And by Current I mean active accounts so not counting the people that did leave.
I have a level 60 dwarf warrior who has been in EXACTLY 16 groups total. I skipped any quest that would require me to group, I did the mob grind alot and any "footwork" quests or kill quests. I LOVED it, I Freaking H A T E ! Quests because an MMO quest = too damn much time for nothing important. A true quest could only be done O N C E! 7 million people cant find the one and only Hand of Butthead. THERES ONLY ONE!!! RAAWWWRRRR. LOL Ok rant off.
On a side note I have 42 toons scattered over many many servers. I Tend to play a toon for about an hour or so at most so they A L L have rested status so I get 200% exp each time I play. I think my lowest level character is 13 now and just started him about 2 days ago.

7 Million? I will belive that when I see an official statement from blizz:)

Gameloading · January 2006

Originally posted by kimmar
Originally posted by Umbrood
Originally posted by porgie
Like I said before... (hehe)Popularity means poo to me. It doesn't matter if they've got 5 million players right now. Where did you guys buy into this myth that what's popular is what's best anyways? Try using a little more critical perspective on your analysis. I hope you don't do all your shopping by the popularity rule you've bought into here. To relate something's quality to it's popularity is a time proven fallacious argument.
Well, "best" is really in the eye of the beholder, and I assuming, and hoping, almost none the WoW players as of today plays it under gun-point.
Meaning they indeed think it is the best game for them right now.
If this comes from the fact that most have not even tried anything else or whatver matters little.
As you speak of quality, how can you ever proof what is quality and what is not when it concern things as feeling?
The ONLY way to measure something like that is by the amoount of people who like it.
Everything else is just personal opinions.
Well so is numbers, but it is a LOT of personal opinions.
If we compare it to politics, wich is pretty much personal opinions as well.
At least here in Sweden we decide who will run this country by asking everyone, and who ever gets the MOST votes wins.
Just because you and me think it sucks, by our standards, ( wich may or may not be more educated and based on more experience ), does not mean we are right and they are wrong.
I do not like WoW, it is not a game for me, at all.
But I respect the opinion of 5 million people who thinks otherwise, and I live with it.
I find it much more fulfilling to say good things about things I like then bad things about thoose I do not.
And in all humility, my personal opinion is that this world would be a much better place if more did the same.
Do this mean I REQUIRE everyone to think as me?
No it does not, but I can ask them to, and whatever decision they make it IS the right one, wether I agree or not.

Well, in my country (the good old USA) our founding fathers had enough sense to not set up a Democracy but instead to put in place a Republic. We have this really cool thing called an electoral college. That's who elects our President, not the people. And thank God the founding fathers of America had the sense enough to know that the general public can sway with trends, be easily manipulated by shiny things, and at times make damn stupid decisions based on emotion that they regret later on. Usually, in the case of a President, when it's too late.The masses can be easily persuaded. And sometimes it takes a while for them to come to their senses. This can be applied to many things. That's why we have an advertising industry. They're job is not just to introduce a product. They prey on the masses impressionablity.

I'm amazed how you can still talk good about that system after Bush has been selected as president for the 2nd time.

Kaos_nyrb · January 2006

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