Originally posted by mbrodie Oh yeah I just downloaded the swerve report from that article you linked... It's based off mobile gaming dude... Come on now, that's grasping at threads
Uhgg, read my last post... It's a f2p study... that's what you were asking for...
Yeah I would never buy anything via MTs in Angry Birds or Candy Crush....
We are talking about MTs in multi million dollar mmorpgs here...entirely different animal.
I don't think I would argue the premise that a very small percentage of people buy via MTs in mobile games....but I think you conclude the same HAS to therefore be true of fully fledge mmorpgs, which in my opinion is flawed logic.
This discussion has never been about mobile gaming, think you know that already though
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
A couple things to keep in mind. One, we're not playing on the same patch as the PTS (Personal EDIT: PTS is on 0.181. It's not confirmed whether the weekend Beta was on 0.18 or 0.181). As a whole, the game is not running at full capacity for a closed beta. They have confirmed on the 14th that we were all playing from a centralized datacenter, and that additional hubs and agreements with content delivery networks were in place, though inactive prior to launch.
The project directors and their army of project managers are all trained the same way for a project launch. If the cost benefit analysis of launching full resources prior to launch does not generate a revenue or value (be it marketing, sales, etc.), the it is not worth the many thousands of dollars it costs for 2 weeks of operation on a dead platform (considering the platform would be gnerating no value or usable information). Because of what the 'Megaserver' is, the implementation of such is one that additional servers will only add to the overall computing power/instancing/connections of the framework when they are added, and ZoS/Bethesda can get a pretty accurate gauge of what they will need to support launch.
They had over 5 million different beta applications/keys for beta. That is more than the bulk of all GW2 copies that have ever been sold...and that is just beta keys. They are promising a 'lag free' experience at launch, and have confirmed that they have agreements in place for swarms of additional server nodes to come online should they need it.
And lastly, every project director and manager is desperately trying to do one thing right now: Manage expectations in the most notoriously angry and loud demographic. If everything was smooth, then every project manager would be sweating the minor inconvenience at launch that would cost them their reputation/jobs or whatever. As a result, they are all trying to walk a fine line between bugs and smooth gameplay, knowing that they will get FAR more value from showing improvement in many areas than they would by proving their competency with a smooth game in closed beta. They can go smooth launch and let the detractors complain about the "little things" they haven't fixed, or they can show dramatic improvement and have the supporters encourage their 'progress'.
EDIT: Post Credit goes to Peridyn, as he was the original Author
Now, if you played the Beta this weekend you might have noticed that most of the bugs were spawn related and the sorts. Many people have also reported that re-logging in was fixing many issues. Why would relog fix it? That's because relog puts you into another shard which is less populated. People also reported that the content up ahead where the population was low was quite bug free. Again, this relates to the same reason here. They didn't use all the server clusters planned for launch hence the servers got stressed a lot which caused the ridiculous number of spawn related and quest completion bugs. So, just calm down and see. Most MMOs are buggy at launch. This one isn't gonna be any different.
Most MMOs used to be buggy at launch, however over the years typicall mmo developers have learned that buggy launches kill a game rather quickly... And so all major MMOs over the last 2 years released in a much much better state...swtor, rift, tsw, gw2 Terra worked quite good and only had very few bugs at release..... Its because thses deveopers learned from buggy releases that they are not accepted by the cmmunity and keep hurting the game for years after release even if the bugs where removed two months after release
Releasing a buggy or unfinished MMO has allways resulted in capital failure..
on top of that, its obvious that they cant reproduce the spawn buggs that plagued us in the latest beta, on their internal testing servers. The problem is phases getting bugged, and no self repair or resetting system in place... So these phases stay buggs and as people leave the phase behind, other new people enter the same bugged area...
makes me wonder if they even have a monitoring system in place that detects these problems and allows them to reset these bugged areas...
if you can not reproduce a bug in your testing area, there is no way that they can repair or prevent it from happening again..
and sure the internal test severs have a much fresher patch, but then i bet in those patches they have other problems because of all the new stuff they try to add in the last minutes.... Most companies that produce software stop adding new stuff some weeks before release of a new version, from that point on they keep repairing and improving the stuff thats allready in the current version.
the fact that Zenimax keeps adding stuff last minute spells certain doom to me...
Zomg!!
Bachus I think your account has been hacked by the hatorz!!
No not really, and despite the fact that i still think this game is and will be fun to play for me, i am also realistic, and from my experience as a sysadmin in a software development environment, i just recognise these things as generally not to smart
on top of that i am convinced they aim at releasing an almost perfect game in June...
far from hating mate, there is still a lot for me to enjoy, but i do not agree with everything they deliver... That would be just foolish
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PST, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PST have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PST said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PST, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PST have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PST said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
Uh every new release gets sock puppet accounts, that's what it has to do with anything.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PST, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PST have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PST said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
Uh every new release gets sock puppet accounts, that's what it has to do with anything.
Thats like me claiming that no one who has tens or hundreds of posts in this forum can be trusted because they are over invested and biased....
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PST, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PST have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PST said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
Common tactic used for argument on these boards. If you can't disprove what someone says, attempt to discredit the person saying it in an effort to lead people to disbelieve anything they say. I'm not even sure people realize they are doing, they may actually believe it's a valid argument.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The PTS server is running the exact same build as this past weekend's public beta test. No new patch has been put on the PTS server.
Sadly, there are numerous bugs in main quest lines, even at lower levels. Alot of imbalances in the game (for example, there is no reason to use heavy armor for anything, not even tanking). I am a VR 10 DK.
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PST, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PST have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PST said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
Common tactic used for argument on these boards. If you can't disprove what someone says, attempt to discredit the person saying it in an attempt to lead people to disbelieve anything they say. I'm not even sure people realize they are doing, they may actually believe it's a valid argument.
I don't typically hold the 1 post, day 1 thing against posters, I really don't. Yet when someone just posted the exact opposite a few pages back, it brings to light someone is obviously lying.
Edit to add, as I forgot, please..like Sock puppet accounts aren't a common tactic around here. I think we all want to know the truth of this, am I wrong?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
Maybe that other tester has not played through the new patch starting at level 1? I really dont care what you think, Im just giving my opinion and my experiences in patch .181 and alot of stuff is still broken, especially at the lower levels.
Originally posted by Dealdrick Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
I understand that perfectly.
I'm just saying it's just as easy to spread mis-information whether you have 1 post or 1,000......
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
Maybe that other tester has not played through the new patch starting at level 1? I really dont care what you think, Im just giving my opinion and my experiences in patch .181 and alot of stuff is still broken, especially at the lower levels.
It was my understanding we didn't play .181 this past weekend. We were on the build behind it. According to numerous posts anyway. There's been a lot of conflicting information on this subject.
Were the quests still bugging out? As that would be another piece of conflicting information going around.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Dealdrick Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
Relevance man, apples and oranges, you can have all the opinions you want but hijacked thread is hijacked
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
I understand that perfectly.
I'm just saying it's just as easy to spread mis-information whether you have 1 post or 1,000......
Now I'm confused :)P I wasn't talking to you there, or was I :P. J/K
But yeah that's true to.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Although the patch notes for the weekend beta said .18, the .181 patch was indeed rolled into this last weekend's beta. So the PTS and beta weekend you played were the exact same build. Plenty of bugs at lower levels for all 3 factions.
Originally posted by Dealdrick Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
Relevance man, apples and oranges, you can have all the opinions you want but hijacked thread is hijacked
HEy man I didn't want to go into it with them which is why I tried keeping my posts on it short and to the point, and why I didn't want to link stuff, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Apparently I didn't have a backbone if I didn't. Forum rules be damned..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by theprophet85 Although the patch notes for the weekend beta said .18, the .181 patch was indeed rolled into this last weekend's beta. So the PTS and beta weekend you played were the exact same build. Plenty of bugs at lower levels for all 3 factions.
Can you confirm that quest were breaking at roughly the same rate on the PTS as the "stress test"? For arguments sake, let's say that rate was about 40%, is that agreeable?
Originally posted by theprophet85 Although the patch notes for the weekend beta said .18, the .181 patch was indeed rolled into this last weekend's beta. So the PTS and beta weekend you played were the exact same build. Plenty of bugs at lower levels for all 3 factions.
Well launch as usual then I suppose..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by theprophet85 Although the patch notes for the weekend beta said .18, the .181 patch was indeed rolled into this last weekend's beta. So the PTS and beta weekend you played were the exact same build. Plenty of bugs at lower levels for all 3 factions.
Originally posted by Dealdrick Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
Relevance man, apples and oranges, you can have all the opinions you want but hijacked thread is hijacked
HEy man I didn't want to go into it with them which is why I tried keeping my posts on it short and to the point, and why I didn't want to link stuff, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Apparently I didn't have a backbone if I didn't. Forum rules be damned..
Really, you got internet bullied into a pointless 10 page debate on the spending habits of mobile gaming whales (which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of btw) when you didn't want to? Did they get your lunch money too or just give you a wedgie? =p
Originally posted by Dealdrick Wow, 10 pages of irrelevant debate on the spending habits of F2P mobile gamers in a thread about the latest build for a sub based MMO about to be launched.....
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
Relevance man, apples and oranges, you can have all the opinions you want but hijacked thread is hijacked
HEy man I didn't want to go into it with them which is why I tried keeping my posts on it short and to the point, and why I didn't want to link stuff, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Apparently I didn't have a backbone if I didn't. Forum rules be damned..
Really, you got internet bullied into a pointless 10 page debate on the spending habits of mobile gaming whales (which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of btw) when you didn't want to? Did they get your lunch money too or just give you a wedgie? =p
Hmm I felt like I was the bully in the situation, apparently I was holding them up for their cosmetics money. Because I essentially said there's too many free riders in the world today.
Either way, ha!, that was pretty good. But now we're derailing talking about derailing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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Yeah I would never buy anything via MTs in Angry Birds or Candy Crush....
We are talking about MTs in multi million dollar mmorpgs here...entirely different animal.
I don't think I would argue the premise that a very small percentage of people buy via MTs in mobile games....but I think you conclude the same HAS to therefore be true of fully fledge mmorpgs, which in my opinion is flawed logic.
This discussion has never been about mobile gaming, think you know that already though
I know any of this is true why? Not that It would surprise me, however, day one; one post account, boasts of being on PTS, boast of being VR10. Saying the opposite of what others claiming to be on PTS have said. Especially in regard to the quest bug issue, as the last person claiming to be on PTS said it didn't appear for them, as their server isn't stressed. Hmm..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No not really, and despite the fact that i still think this game is and will be fun to play for me, i am also realistic, and from my experience as a sysadmin in a software development environment, i just recognise these things as generally not to smart
on top of that i am convinced they aim at releasing an almost perfect game in June...
far from hating mate, there is still a lot for me to enjoy, but i do not agree with everything they deliver... That would be just foolish
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
What has a day 1 account with 1 post got to do with anything?
Many people on this forum have also claimed that the PTS in indeed on the same version as the beta this weekend.
Not sure what a 1 day account with 1 post has to do with anything, except maybe your own paranoia?
Some bugs could be due to overpopulation, many arent, they are just flat out broken. I can provide whatever proof to show you I am in the PTS :O)
Uh every new release gets sock puppet accounts, that's what it has to do with anything.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Thats like me claiming that no one who has tens or hundreds of posts in this forum can be trusted because they are over invested and biased....
Common tactic used for argument on these boards. If you can't disprove what someone says, attempt to discredit the person saying it in an effort to lead people to disbelieve anything they say. I'm not even sure people realize they are doing, they may actually believe it's a valid argument.
Well one of you is obviously lying...So, you do what ya gotta do:).
I hope you understand the skepticism, it's far too easy to spread misinformation in a forum environment.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't typically hold the 1 post, day 1 thing against posters, I really don't. Yet when someone just posted the exact opposite a few pages back, it brings to light someone is obviously lying.
Edit to add, as I forgot, please..like Sock puppet accounts aren't a common tactic around here. I think we all want to know the truth of this, am I wrong?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Maybe that other tester has not played through the new patch starting at level 1? I really dont care what you think, Im just giving my opinion and my experiences in patch .181 and alot of stuff is still broken, especially at the lower levels.
All for simply agreeing with someone and stating an opinion:)P
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I understand that perfectly.
I'm just saying it's just as easy to spread mis-information whether you have 1 post or 1,000......
It was my understanding we didn't play .181 this past weekend. We were on the build behind it. According to numerous posts anyway. There's been a lot of conflicting information on this subject.
Were the quests still bugging out? As that would be another piece of conflicting information going around.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Relevance man, apples and oranges, you can have all the opinions you want but hijacked thread is hijacked
Now I'm confused :)P I wasn't talking to you there, or was I :P. J/K
But yeah that's true to.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
HEy man I didn't want to go into it with them which is why I tried keeping my posts on it short and to the point, and why I didn't want to link stuff, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Apparently I didn't have a backbone if I didn't. Forum rules be damned..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Can you confirm that quest were breaking at roughly the same rate on the PTS as the "stress test"? For arguments sake, let's say that rate was about 40%, is that agreeable?
Well launch as usual then I suppose..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If true....
That is disconcerting to say the least
Really, you got internet bullied into a pointless 10 page debate on the spending habits of mobile gaming whales (which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of btw) when you didn't want to? Did they get your lunch money too or just give you a wedgie? =p
Hmm I felt like I was the bully in the situation, apparently I was holding them up for their cosmetics money. Because I essentially said there's too many free riders in the world today.
Either way, ha!, that was pretty good. But now we're derailing talking about derailing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson