I would like to thank everyone who said bye, gave their opinions and heart filled statements. I will miss you all. I hope everyone finds the game they are looking for! And please for the love of gingey, try to smile when you can.. the internet is hard enough to endure as is. Ill see you all in the real world
*tackle hugs everyone*
O-renshii
Everything in moderation, I always say.
You don't have to leave the internet cold turkey- just do it less often.
Well... like I said... great servant, horrible master.
My most recent philosophical battle was my insistence on doing everything myself.
Honestly, I think you're making a good decision. But the world is a complicated thing. Don't let it fool you into believing this to always be the right path. Your decision was made from things I know nothing about, but still...
...if you see the buddha on the road... kill him.
Thanks for the advice though i dont think i could kill buddha, I mean he teaches respect of all life. Kinda hard to kill him knowing what he taught hehehehe
O
Well, the proverb comes from the idea that your whole lifetime is devoted to seeking the buddha. Finding him is false... often a deception or a temporary fix for what ails you in life. Keep seeking and best of luck!
Well op i also don't like the attitudes in games and also come from FFXI which i recently stopped for good.
One of the biggest reasons games have gone so foul is yep WOW,that started this L33t talk and elitism.Also games are designed to solo for the most part meaning there really is no community aside from sharing the same NEEDS then they go their separate ways again.
I joined a Guild in FFXIV and the best thing i could hear asking what was expected of me was "Just play,nothing else".The people have been actually pretty good,i have yet to notice one bad person although tight knit community is long gone,it is still 90% soloing.
Bottom line is FFXI was truly the only really good grouping game because it was designed that way,best community inside and out i have ever witnessed in a game and i moved around a lot.I also was involved with a couple JPN LS as well and i even had a really good JPN friend who was funny as heck until he disappeared.
My answer is simple,just keep the internet in perspective,DO NOT expect much from it and all is good.If you expect it to be full of respectful church going high moral people,you will be disappointed.The internet and gaming should just be a pass time to kill some time and find some fun doing something.It used to be 90% sports for me but i am too old for that now and can't afford to get injured and miss work.
Bottom line there is no reason the internet can't exist and still do anything else you want to do.I feel the OP is just taking it too personal but i have a better door closing mechanism than most,i just shrug off other people and their lack of morals with ease.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I know i don't really know you OP, but I think it may be a little extreme to leave gaming that you like doing all together because of some bad experiences with some of the less savory people the internets has to offer.
I think it's a good idea to just maybe take a break, and maybe play with a bit more moderation. I honestly think doing so even creates longer lasting friendships with people like how you used to, back in the days of Ultima, and FFXI. Absence really does make the heart grow fonder.
Though I understand what you mean about communities in online gaming; elitism, and overall abrasive behavior seems to be a common symptom from the competitiveness of mmorpgs these days. It's become less about the stories and completing tasks with your friends, and more about who can complete the content the fastest, and most efficiently.
You don't have to leave all together, just log in not quite as often, you know~?
The problem with the OP is that he is trying to find a good community and good people. That is not what the internet and video games are about.
If you just use both as entertainment, you will be a lot happier.
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Originally posted by Orenshii
After years of looking for a good community, a good game, and a good forum. I have decided to leave the internet for good. I got rid of my phones years back. cable tv is gone. All that is left for me to disconnect from the internet. Maybe one day when our world decides to grow up and stop fighting over invisible gods, unprovable ideas and learns to controll its more animal insticts of being a miserable asshole, Then i might come back.
That's not going to be in your lifetime. You're a Kenpo instructor? Teach those kids to respect themselves and each other, and you will help to grow a better future.
As for quitting the toxicity of the internet, you are probably making the healthiest choice.
Originally posted by Yodi2007 Sadly this is one of the main reason why I don't play mmo,s any more. Social aspects are gone.
Yeah I have to agree but I can't act as if I'm not as much apart of the problem as other people. I remember in my first 4 or 5 MMOs I spent months just messing around, chatting it up, trying a bit of everything and lvling at my own pace which was usually slow. For most games it usually took a while before I got really serious about anything.
Now when I try out a new game I race to the top as fast as I can then spam spam spam endgame content so I can min max the crap out of my character and then I get bored because I'm surrounded by players with the same playstyle and most people like this are jerks and i don't really fit in with jerks.
Originally posted by Yodi2007 Sadly this is one of the main reason why I don't play mmo,s any more. Social aspects are gone.
And this is the main reason why i came back to MMOs. I don't have to social/chat with anyone, and i can choose to solo or group (though rarely) whenever i please.
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Originally posted by Yodi2007 Sadly this is one of the main reason why I don't play mmo,s any more. Social aspects are gone.
And this is the main reason why i came back to MMOs. I don't have to social/chat with anyone, and i can choose to solo or group (though rarely) whenever i please.
Nothing wrong with solo play, but every once in awhile there needs to be some social play. and none of the race to max level and raid!
I left FFXIV:ARRB because all it was just a gear check and bitch fest when my LS/GC Leader bitched @ newbies for trying to learn the fights. People have low patience now adays. I can't even stand MMO's anymore. If given a Sandbox/Sandpark MMO all i would probably do is just grief Known ButtWipes all DAY!
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
Originally posted by Yodi2007 Sadly this is one of the main reason why I don't play mmo,s any more. Social aspects are gone.
Yeah I have to agree but I can't act as if I'm not as much apart of the problem as other people. I remember in my first 4 or 5 MMOs I spent months just messing around, chatting it up, trying a bit of everything and lvling at my own pace which was usually slow. For most games it usually took a while before I got really serious about anything.
Now when I try out a new game I race to the top as fast as I can then spam spam spam endgame content so I can min max the crap out of my character and then I get bored because I'm surrounded by players with the same playstyle and most people like this are jerks and i don't really fit in with jerks.
Yeah, MMO's changed, but so has life. Somewhere along the way it stopped being about the ride and started being about the destination. Which, in a consumerism/materialism driven society is hilarious as the endgame for a human is always... well... death.
I am leaving Mmorpg, online games and even online as a whole forever.
I started playing online games when my friend introduced me to meridian online. It was interesting. killing centipedes,hanging out with people, even doding that pker in the feilds who loved his fireballs. As time went on I got into ultima online, and like alot of other people who read these forums, had a rich and vibrant experience. But it's at that time I started noticing additudes of people online slowly becoming toxic.
I then went on to try a game made by nexon called Nexus. I really enjoyed roleplaying and forming friendships with people in that game. As time went on I started noticing people with power positions were abusing their positions. I tried to ignore them, but after time they became completly un-avoidable. The playerbase was dying out right when nexon sold the rights to the game known as KRU interactive. I played this game for years, As time went on the company created a item shop to buy vanity items. Since then they focus all their efforts into that cash shop completly ignoring the dreams people have to change the game. Once i realized they were double dipping into customer pockets with p2p and item shop i decided to leave for good. This is when i started noticing game companies, were all about making money and not trying to build virtual worlds.
After Nexus I went on to play final fantasy online, Again the world was beautiful robust with people everywhere. So many cool concepts and art taken from the series and made to see in an online world. The first time i saw a malboro in ffxi i freaked out about how errie it was. and I should have, it killed my whole party But as i progressed through the game into lvl 50's I started noticing this "do it our way, or we wont play with you " type on mentalities. As a person who isnt quick to take fact from peoples mouths, I dabbled in odd job combinations. But in the end i was forsaken by the people who spoke my language. I found myself in Japanese linkshells because they accepted my differences, unlike the NA people whom i could actually understand. I still play ffxi to date, but its not the same to me anymore, the people have grown bitter. Perhaps all things online are evolving this way.
While playing FFxi online, I jumped through many games trying to find a idea community for me that would be fun to play. I've played more games that alot of people have even heard of. I played everything from ragnarok1 to eve online. Each game I played the community was noticibly more toxic than before. Every game that passed it got worse and worse, Competetive people just would not let me have my slow paced gaming. I tried on many occasion to take a game that had become competetive and slow down, but just foundt myself alone.
Getting tired of players competetion, griefing and just down right elitistism, i decided to delve into the internet to aid me with finding a mmorpg for me. Thats when i discovered mmorpg.com and a smaller site mpod. I spent years looking through games, downloading making accounts. Everytime i log into a game seing people arguing, fighting, mpking, griefing and showing obvious signs of neopolian complexs. Ive grown very weary of people additudes online, Never in real life have i had people treat me the way they do online. And I guess rightfully so, Im a trained kenpo instructor.
After years of looking for a good community, a good game, and a good forum. I have decided to leave the internet for good. I got rid of my phones years back. cable tv is gone. All that is left for me to disconnect from the internet. Maybe one day when our world decides to grow up and stop fighting over invisible gods, unprovable ideas and learns to controll its more animal insticts of being a miserable asshole, Then i might come back.
I would say I had the time of my life, But i would be lying to myself and all of you. Goodbye mmorpg, though you gave many hours of reading materials, Still in the end The problems i have with online communities seeped into your website and forums. It is now i realize, this world of intranets was not made for people like me.
O - Renshii
I feel you, and fully agree with you - that is how it is in general and it's sad.
I'm pretty sure it won't go for the better untill there are some real consequences for being an immoral internet jerk.
Although anonimity is attractive, I'd still like to see mroe boundries one day, like having a mandatory online identity tied with rl id.
I am leaving Mmorpg, online games and even online as a whole forever.
I started playing online games when my friend introduced me to meridian online. It was interesting. killing centipedes,hanging out with people, even doding that pker in the feilds who loved his fireballs. As time went on I got into ultima online, and like alot of other people who read these forums, had a rich and vibrant experience. But it's at that time I started noticing additudes of people online slowly becoming toxic.
I then went on to try a game made by nexon called Nexus. I really enjoyed roleplaying and forming friendships with people in that game. As time went on I started noticing people with power positions were abusing their positions. I tried to ignore them, but after time they became completly un-avoidable. The playerbase was dying out right when nexon sold the rights to the game known as KRU interactive. I played this game for years, As time went on the company created a item shop to buy vanity items. Since then they focus all their efforts into that cash shop completly ignoring the dreams people have to change the game. Once i realized they were double dipping into customer pockets with p2p and item shop i decided to leave for good. This is when i started noticing game companies, were all about making money and not trying to build virtual worlds.
After Nexus I went on to play final fantasy online, Again the world was beautiful robust with people everywhere. So many cool concepts and art taken from the series and made to see in an online world. The first time i saw a malboro in ffxi i freaked out about how errie it was. and I should have, it killed my whole party But as i progressed through the game into lvl 50's I started noticing this "do it our way, or we wont play with you " type on mentalities. As a person who isnt quick to take fact from peoples mouths, I dabbled in odd job combinations. But in the end i was forsaken by the people who spoke my language. I found myself in Japanese linkshells because they accepted my differences, unlike the NA people whom i could actually understand. I still play ffxi to date, but its not the same to me anymore, the people have grown bitter. Perhaps all things online are evolving this way.
While playing FFxi online, I jumped through many games trying to find a idea community for me that would be fun to play. I've played more games that alot of people have even heard of. I played everything from ragnarok1 to eve online. Each game I played the community was noticibly more toxic than before. Every game that passed it got worse and worse, Competetive people just would not let me have my slow paced gaming. I tried on many occasion to take a game that had become competetive and slow down, but just foundt myself alone.
Getting tired of players competetion, griefing and just down right elitistism, i decided to delve into the internet to aid me with finding a mmorpg for me. Thats when i discovered mmorpg.com and a smaller site mpod. I spent years looking through games, downloading making accounts. Everytime i log into a game seing people arguing, fighting, mpking, griefing and showing obvious signs of neopolian complexs. Ive grown very weary of people additudes online, Never in real life have i had people treat me the way they do online. And I guess rightfully so, Im a trained kenpo instructor.
After years of looking for a good community, a good game, and a good forum. I have decided to leave the internet for good. I got rid of my phones years back. cable tv is gone. All that is left for me to disconnect from the internet. Maybe one day when our world decides to grow up and stop fighting over invisible gods, unprovable ideas and learns to controll its more animal insticts of being a miserable asshole, Then i might come back.
I would say I had the time of my life, But i would be lying to myself and all of you. Goodbye mmorpg, though you gave many hours of reading materials, Still in the end The problems i have with online communities seeped into your website and forums. It is now i realize, this world of intranets was not made for people like me.
O - Renshii
Pretty sure you've played the crappiest games ever. No offense really but you really have a bad pick. You've played games for long periods of time that I wouldn't even just touch with a 10 meter pole.
And what's with the trained kempo instructor crap? Are you telling me that you are sick of people beating each other's up, but you would beat up someone in real life because he disagrees with you. Seriously?
I read your post and this entire thread and sympathize with you very much.I agreed with most of what you said also.
I stopped using this forum a few years ago when it became incredibly toxic and most forums for online games are the same.
Which is a shame that people let their passions and beliefs take over to the point where they think that they and only they can be right and everyone who doesn't agree is wrong.
I came back a few days ago after reading the sticky about forum moderation and while there are clearly still trolls here it is certainly less prevalent.
I am in a different situation to you in that i play mmorpgs with real life friends, and as we have moved away from where we grew up it is a good and fun way to keep in touch with each other. It sounds to me like you were hoping to find a community of good like-minded people to game with and that you didn't succeed .
That wasnt your fault , the internet and MMO/ forums can be an incredibly toxic and nasty environment and it is so because of the anonymity that the internet gives to people.
Originally posted by Yodi2007 Sadly this is one of the main reason why I don't play mmo,s any more. Social aspects are gone.
And this is the main reason why i came back to MMOs. I don't have to social/chat with anyone, and i can choose to solo or group (though rarely) whenever i please.
Nothing wrong with solo play, but every once in awhile there needs to be some social play. and none of the race to max level and raid!
I left FFXIV:ARRB because all it was just a gear check and bitch fest when my LS/GC Leader bitched @ newbies for trying to learn the fights. People have low patience now adays. I can't even stand MMO's anymore. If given a Sandbox/Sandpark MMO all i would probably do is just grief Known ButtWipes all DAY!
That is for you. I can just play any game solo.
In fact, why complain about people having low patience? It is just a mismatch of style. it is not like your preference is superior than theirs. They are too impatient, you say. They say, you are too slow.
If there is a mismatch, don't play with them! That is why i don't depend on others for my fun. It is too much work finding someone who match my style.
I honestly think people are so hopelessy addicted to online they cant even seem to fathom what a life without feels like. Well the taste ive had are that as strong as a fresh fig. And if you seperate yourself from online for a just a little while, you will find out that you are talented in a whole bunch of things, but you will never find them if all your time is preoccupied.
O
You are talking in absolutes and generalizations.
Not everyone is obsessed nor do they neglect their life outside the virtual world when they spend some time on it.
To be anti technology is just silly though, it's painting with the broadest of brushes the most negative of ideas.
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Everything in moderation, I always say.
You don't have to leave the internet cold turkey- just do it less often.
That's my advice at least!
Well, the proverb comes from the idea that your whole lifetime is devoted to seeking the buddha. Finding him is false... often a deception or a temporary fix for what ails you in life. Keep seeking and best of luck!
"My Fantasy is having two men at once...
One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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"A good man can make you feel sexy,
strong and able to take on the whole world...
oh sorry...that's wine...wine does that..."
Well op i also don't like the attitudes in games and also come from FFXI which i recently stopped for good.
One of the biggest reasons games have gone so foul is yep WOW,that started this L33t talk and elitism.Also games are designed to solo for the most part meaning there really is no community aside from sharing the same NEEDS then they go their separate ways again.
I joined a Guild in FFXIV and the best thing i could hear asking what was expected of me was "Just play,nothing else".The people have been actually pretty good,i have yet to notice one bad person although tight knit community is long gone,it is still 90% soloing.
Bottom line is FFXI was truly the only really good grouping game because it was designed that way,best community inside and out i have ever witnessed in a game and i moved around a lot.I also was involved with a couple JPN LS as well and i even had a really good JPN friend who was funny as heck until he disappeared.
My answer is simple,just keep the internet in perspective,DO NOT expect much from it and all is good.If you expect it to be full of respectful church going high moral people,you will be disappointed.The internet and gaming should just be a pass time to kill some time and find some fun doing something.It used to be 90% sports for me but i am too old for that now and can't afford to get injured and miss work.
Bottom line there is no reason the internet can't exist and still do anything else you want to do.I feel the OP is just taking it too personal but i have a better door closing mechanism than most,i just shrug off other people and their lack of morals with ease.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I know i don't really know you OP, but I think it may be a little extreme to leave gaming that you like doing all together because of some bad experiences with some of the less savory people the internets has to offer.
I think it's a good idea to just maybe take a break, and maybe play with a bit more moderation. I honestly think doing so even creates longer lasting friendships with people like how you used to, back in the days of Ultima, and FFXI. Absence really does make the heart grow fonder.
Though I understand what you mean about communities in online gaming; elitism, and overall abrasive behavior seems to be a common symptom from the competitiveness of mmorpgs these days. It's become less about the stories and completing tasks with your friends, and more about who can complete the content the fastest, and most efficiently.
You don't have to leave all together, just log in not quite as often, you know~?
Good bye and good luck.
The problem with the OP is that he is trying to find a good community and good people. That is not what the internet and video games are about.
If you just use both as entertainment, you will be a lot happier.
That's not going to be in your lifetime. You're a Kenpo instructor? Teach those kids to respect themselves and each other, and you will help to grow a better future.
As for quitting the toxicity of the internet, you are probably making the healthiest choice.
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689
Yeah I have to agree but I can't act as if I'm not as much apart of the problem as other people. I remember in my first 4 or 5 MMOs I spent months just messing around, chatting it up, trying a bit of everything and lvling at my own pace which was usually slow. For most games it usually took a while before I got really serious about anything.
Now when I try out a new game I race to the top as fast as I can then spam spam spam endgame content so I can min max the crap out of my character and then I get bored because I'm surrounded by players with the same playstyle and most people like this are jerks and i don't really fit in with jerks.
And this is the main reason why i came back to MMOs. I don't have to social/chat with anyone, and i can choose to solo or group (though rarely) whenever i please.
https://www.pantheonrotf.com
Come join us here and help the game get made! Bring the social aspects of mmo's back!
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
The OP said, "and a smaller site mpod."
Any idea what mpod is?
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Nothing wrong with solo play, but every once in awhile there needs to be some social play. and none of the race to max level and raid!
I left FFXIV:ARRB because all it was just a gear check and bitch fest when my LS/GC Leader bitched @ newbies for trying to learn the fights. People have low patience now adays. I can't even stand MMO's anymore. If given a Sandbox/Sandpark MMO all i would probably do is just grief Known ButtWipes all DAY!
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689
Life is all about balance, perspective, and attitude. The three intertwine and can pull each other out of whack very quickly.
Never forget, there are humans out there who love you just because they love life and everyone/everything about it!
May you find peace with all three, best of luck to you, friend.
Yeah, MMO's changed, but so has life. Somewhere along the way it stopped being about the ride and started being about the destination. Which, in a consumerism/materialism driven society is hilarious as the endgame for a human is always... well... death.
I feel you, and fully agree with you - that is how it is in general and it's sad.
I'm pretty sure it won't go for the better untill there are some real consequences for being an immoral internet jerk.
Although anonimity is attractive, I'd still like to see mroe boundries one day, like having a mandatory online identity tied with rl id.
Pretty sure you've played the crappiest games ever. No offense really but you really have a bad pick. You've played games for long periods of time that I wouldn't even just touch with a 10 meter pole.
And what's with the trained kempo instructor crap? Are you telling me that you are sick of people beating each other's up, but you would beat up someone in real life because he disagrees with you. Seriously?
Orenshii
I read your post and this entire thread and sympathize with you very much.I agreed with most of what you said also.
I stopped using this forum a few years ago when it became incredibly toxic and most forums for online games are the same.
Which is a shame that people let their passions and beliefs take over to the point where they think that they and only they can be right and everyone who doesn't agree is wrong.
I came back a few days ago after reading the sticky about forum moderation and while there are clearly still trolls here it is certainly less prevalent.
I am in a different situation to you in that i play mmorpgs with real life friends, and as we have moved away from where we grew up it is a good and fun way to keep in touch with each other. It sounds to me like you were hoping to find a community of good like-minded people to game with and that you didn't succeed .
That wasnt your fault , the internet and MMO/ forums can be an incredibly toxic and nasty environment and it is so because of the anonymity that the internet gives to people.
Good luck in your future endeavors.That is for you. I can just play any game solo.
In fact, why complain about people having low patience? It is just a mismatch of style. it is not like your preference is superior than theirs. They are too impatient, you say. They say, you are too slow.
If there is a mismatch, don't play with them! That is why i don't depend on others for my fun. It is too much work finding someone who match my style.
Blizz tried that with real id on the battle net. HUGE backlash and they drop it.
So what if the internet is toxic. Just don't take it seriously or ignore those who you don't like.
You are talking in absolutes and generalizations.
Not everyone is obsessed nor do they neglect their life outside the virtual world when they spend some time on it.
To be anti technology is just silly though, it's painting with the broadest of brushes the most negative of ideas.