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Can we stop claiming 12 million WoW subs can't be wrong?
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Oh god, not this topic again... It just keeps on coming, year after year, nothing new to say, no consensus ever reached. Eventually it dies and, sadly but inevitably, someone else flogs the dead equine as if they've had some stunning epiphany they just have to share.
Go on!! Flog that dead equine - give it some real stick!!
It has also localized in:
English (USA)
Português (Brazilian)
Español (Mexican Spanish)
English (Oceanic)
English (EU)
Français (French)
Deutsch (German)
Italiano (Italian)
Português (Portuguese)
Español (Spanish)
??????? (Russian)
Simplified Chinese (Mainland China)
Korean
Traditional Chinese (Taiwan)
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So no wonder it has more players than any other AAA MMO.
Right and wrong are subjective opinions and not facts.
At the time 12 million players thought it was right. People's views and opinions have changed, that's why there's only 8 million or whatever it may be now. People seem to get facts and opinions mixed up all the time.
I believe the 8 million number but WoW gets too much credit for expanding the market as well. WoW came out during a huge boom in the gaming market, if it had never come out the other MMORPG out there would have seen massive growth as well. It is also the first MMORPG to be released in multiple regions. Before than a game like say EQ had 'unofficial' national servers which were just servers that one nationality had picked to be their home. There were no localized versions of the game etc. Finally the typical technology level has increased. A game like EQ or UO was played by most on a 56k modem with all the problems that go along with poor bandwidth. Most people just didn't have machines/connections capable of adequately running these games.
WoW was hitting a market that is probably 1000 times the size of the original MMORPG games. They made it a huge success by making it more casual friendly and making a smooth game (something games like WAR, RIFT, FFXIV, Wildstar, SWTOR STILL can't get right).
Selection bias.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I care enough about not caring that i took the time to post here saying how much i do not care about this.
I do not care about this, or WoW.
Lolipops !
People try and argue that large populations don't make a game a success far more often than it makes them the best. Trying to use facts to dispute what the best games is just as silly as trying to prove them wrong.
The OPs post is as bad or worse than the people he's complain about. At least they have numbers on their side of the opinion.
Lots of people smoke they can't be wrong!
Same idea.
It's an expression on par with the McDonalds analogy, lazy, fast and without any merit. The only way to combat it is like with any troll post, just ignore it. I just feel sorry for you OP that you can't see through the bullshit, you let yourself be annoyed by it.
Yes because smoking is just the same as playing a MMO.
*claps*
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/world-of-warcraft-dips-to-a-mere-11-4-million-subscribers/#continued
Second paragraph :
During the call, CEO of Blizzard Entertainment Mike Morhaime pointed out that World of Warcraft had fallen again to pre-Cataclysm subscriber levels -- 11.4 million subscribers at the end of March, down from its peak of 12 million. Subscriber levels do not decline linearly, he pointed out, stating that they fluctuate based on how quickly players consume and complete content. Players are consuming Cataclysm's content faster than any expansion before it, so subscriber levels started to drop off more quickly than they have previously.
While you might not include Asian players as players, i consider them people just like i think of you as one, so i am pretty sure they are paying customers like the rest of us, regardless of the payment model.
I still don't care about WoW.
Lolipops !
Except "success" isn't the only thing you can discuss.
What's right and what's wrong in an MMO is a very personal thing. So, for those 7.8 million people still enjoying WoW, it can't be wrong. For the rest of us that gave up on WoW a long time ago, or never really cared for it in the first place, it's very wrong. But, in the end, does it really matter?
I rarely if ever see anyone say this seriously.
If we're going to have this thread, can we include in it no more saying WoW sucks merely because it's popular?
I'm tired of people hating on popular things just because they are popular, I wrote an essay on this when I was 15, and now I'm nearly 30. When I wrote it they didn't have a word for it. We do now.
Hipsters /sigh.
Lol. Dramatic much? Didn't say they aren't players, or people, or customers. Just that they aren't subscribers, a word with specific connotations which they don't meet. Paying 13-15 dollars for unlimited access over the course of a month is a subscription. Paying 4 cents per hour is not a subscription. (And no, it's not the specific amounts that are relevant, it's the unlimited hours over a defined period vs. paying per hour.)
WoW has never had 12 million subscribers. There has probably never been a point in time when the entire MMO market had 12 million simultaneous subscriptions.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
I think you are being a bit cynical.
12 Million in the entire MMO market? MUCH MUCH More than that.
http://www.alistdaily.com/news/exclusive-newzoo-on-the-state-of-mmos Hey look, information sourced.
Guess what?
12 cents an hour IS by definition a 'subscription'.
Subscription : "the action of making or agreeing to make an advance payment in order to receive or participate in something."
You gotta pay those 12 cents before you play right?
Yep.
The point of the post was to discredit the idea that WoW must be a good game because so many people play it. So what those 12 million players would be "wrong" about is whether or not WoW is a good game, not whether or not they personally enjoy the game.
Not only that, those people can absolutely be wrong in the sense that they can be misinformed. There very well may be other games that they would enjoy more, they just don't know it.
WoW had over twelve million people playing in 2010. Every one of those people was paying per some amount of time that they were playing and they had to have a registered account to do so. The people playing WoW in Asia are subscribers, just as much as people playing in the West. Since WoW was not the only MMORPG running in 2010, it seems likely that there were more than twelve million MMORPG players in existence at that time.
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If you can believe all the people willing to jump in and make estimates of what Chinese players pay, they aren't paying very much compared to Western players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Again, I didn't say players, I didn't say payers. I said subscribers. As in people paying (depending on the game) somewhere between 10-15 dollars a month to play for as many hours as they want. The traditional, dare I say "real" subscription model. It's not a huge market, which is why P2P as a category of games is on the decline, there just aren't a lot of customers there to compete for.
The point being that WoW's released numbers are both deceptive and useless for the purpose of comparing it to other games. Is it still the most successful MMO ever released, by far? Of course. Which makes it all that much stranger that they feel the need to pretend they have more success than they do. (Because anybody who is being honest will admit that someone paying a traditional western sub is *not* the same thing as someone paying cents by the hour, and counting them as equivalent is ridiculous.)
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" in gaming preferences.
Any such claim is meaningless, anyway.