My hopes are that they do a lot if small man group content as raiding doesn't appeal to me anymore. To many games already focus on raids as the only end game there is. We'll see how they can make it work if possible.
I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
Originally posted by Viadric Well that's a slap in the face to PVER's. Why in the hell would you not release endgame PVE content for the majority of mmo players who prefer PVE in this day and age?
What they have in place right now is 50 + content and 50++ content, which is a lot more than having a couple dungeons to do. (all your typical MMO usually has at launch)
THink of it like this. You have your typical MMO grind to endgame (50) which is actually rather slow compared to most MMO's today. Then you can do it again 2 more times after cap ( on teh same toon) with all new fully voiced content, that rounds out your veteran character status. You essentially have 150 levels of unique content to engage in before you're done with most of your progression, even then you won't be fully done, as there are skyshards (extra skill points) to find etc..
By the time you're done that you'll ahve adventure zones most likely, which are large areas with high level questing, dungeons both private and public, and their take on Raids.
Right now there is no adventure zones for end game yet, well that's what the guy said above. Just 4 man dungeons. Those get boring really fast. I prefer dynamic raids, dailies, heroic hard dungeongs and hardcore PVE guilds. Not running around in PVP spamming RvRvR. I have Guild Wars 2 for that type of gameplay.
ZOS has been pretty open and honest about the fact that they are not planning to have raids in this game, and if you spend 10 minutes playing the game with its minimalistic UI (event compared to any other MMO I can think of) and reticule combat you can see that raiding would be a complete clusterf*** in this game anyway. If that's what you're waiting for, then it sounds like you're going to need to find a game with hardcore raiding mechanics, cause this isn't it.
Thankfully not every MMO needs raiding, at least not the sad, soul-sucking mockery of raiding that modern raids have become.
I wouldn't say it's soul sucking. I can get geared and run heroic SOO in a week on WOW. Granted i'm in a 4 team 10 man raiding guild so there is always people on wanting to raid. Granted WOW is nerfed to casual play now so it's not vanilla raid type anymore. I guess I will just wait for Warlords of Dreanor and Wildstar.
Imo for your play style i ll agree that either you ll wait for WoD or try Wildstar. Again imo, ESO is not for you.
Ok man thanks for heads up really appreciate it.
Np m8. Just expressing my opinion without saying game sucks etc. The rest is up to you
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
Trials. Twelve people fighting through an increasingly difficult experience. A Trial is instanced to your group of twelve. There is a staging area where you can plan your attack and the Trial itself.
In a Trial, you will have a limited number of resurrections, known as a Soul Reservoir. Too many resurrections mean that you have failed the trial. It takes a lot of coordination to survive a Trial. The enemies you face in a Trial will be difficult, while the surroundings are some of the most beautiful places in ESO. Provided you do survive and make it to the end of a Trial, your group might make it to the leaderboard. Trials have a running clock and mistakes, including deaths, can add a time penalty. Turn in a great time, however, and you might make it to the top of the leaderboard. If you fail, your group can restart and try again.
That would seem to be the closest to raids and it doesn't sound as though it is like a raid, seems more like a survival mode.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
It's teh nature of the game really there's a lot of running around, if you're doing content and not power leveling. IT's by no means a game like lineage, but it's not exactly TOR either. It's closer to Vanilla WOW or LOTRO in terms of pacing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Viadric Well that's a slap in the face to PVER's. Why in the hell would you not release endgame PVE content for the majority of mmo players who prefer PVE in this day and age?
What they have in place right now is 50 + content and 50++ content, which is a lot more than having a couple dungeons to do. (all your typical MMO usually has at launch)
THink of it like this. You have your typical MMO grind to endgame (50) which is actually rather slow compared to most MMO's today. Then you can do it again 2 more times after cap ( on teh same toon) with all new fully voiced content, that rounds out your veteran character status. You essentially have 150 levels of unique content to engage in before you're done with most of your progression, even then you won't be fully done, as there are skyshards (extra skill points) to find etc..
By the time you're done that you'll ahve adventure zones most likely, which are large areas with high level questing, dungeons both private and public, and their take on Raids.
Right now there is no adventure zones for end game yet, well that's what the guy said above. Just 4 man dungeons. Those get boring really fast. I prefer dynamic raids, dailies, heroic hard dungeongs and hardcore PVE guilds. Not running around in PVP spamming RvRvR. I have Guild Wars 2 for that type of gameplay.
ZOS has been pretty open and honest about the fact that they are not planning to have raids in this game, and if you spend 10 minutes playing the game with its minimalistic UI (event compared to any other MMO I can think of) and reticule combat you can see that raiding would be a complete clusterf*** in this game anyway. If that's what you're waiting for, then it sounds like you're going to need to find a game with hardcore raiding mechanics, cause this isn't it.
Thankfully not every MMO needs raiding, at least not the sad, soul-sucking mockery of raiding that modern raids have become.
I wouldn't say it's soul sucking. I can get geared and run heroic SOO in a week on WOW. Granted i'm in a 4 team 10 man raiding guild so there is always people on wanting to raid. Granted WOW is nerfed to casual play now so it's not vanilla raid type anymore. I guess I will just wait for Warlords of Dreanor and Wildstar.
Imo for your play style i ll agree that either you ll wait for WoD or try Wildstar. Again imo, ESO is not for you.
Ok man thanks for heads up really appreciate it.
Np m8. Just expressing my opinion without saying game sucks etc. The rest is up to you
From what I gathered from this as of right now endgame is going to the other two factions and doing veteran quests. So you are just running like a retard grinding quests at max level that give no benefit or unlock any raid content (attuned questing). So it's pretty much a big delusional time waster to suck you dry for $15 a month instead of releasing raid content every 3 or so months so hardcore PVER's actually can get gear and kill that epic large boss in heroic for your achievement and epic drop.
SOLO OR DUO PVE:
Our Veteran Rank zones (playing other Alliance content), are the core of our solo / duo Veteran PvE content. I have said many times that our game opens up at 50—this is what I was talking about. At Veteran Rank 1 you can travel anywhere in the first or second alliance you want to go. When you meet the qualifications for opening up the third alliance, the entirety of the current game world is open to you. Yes, it does get harder, but that’s part of the fun and challenge. When you consider that 2/3 of the hand-crafted content and quests are available to you after you hit the level cap of 50, the veteran solo / duo game is huge. Skyshards, quests, delves, Dark Anchors, crafting, collections, achievements—basically everything you enjoyed during the 1-50 game, are all available at these Veteran Ranks.
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
It's teh nature of the game really there's a lot of running around, if you're doing content and not power leveling. IT's by no means a game like lineage, but it's not exactly TOR either. It's closer to Vanilla WOW or LOTRO in terms of pacing.
Man for someone who doesn't even play the game you do write posts as if you are drawing from your own play experince. Its like i have to remind myself that 'this dude doesn't even own the game'.
Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
It's teh nature of the game really there's a lot of running around, if you're doing content and not power leveling. IT's by no means a game like lineage, but it's not exactly TOR either. It's closer to Vanilla WOW or LOTRO in terms of pacing.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
It's teh nature of the game really there's a lot of running around, if you're doing content and not power leveling. IT's by no means a game like lineage, but it's not exactly TOR either. It's closer to Vanilla WOW or LOTRO in terms of pacing.
Yeah you just can get to 50 in under 24 hours.
I certainly can't, you're definitely not going to do it alone, and you better have your route mapped out perfectly.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by kabitoshin I won't be seeing endgame for a while I've got 40 hours invested and only 17. I been crafting, listening to all the dialogue, and going for 100% zone completion. I know there's some people that found more viable ways to level, but for me doing it solo and at my pace I might not see max level for couple of months hopefully.
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
I'm not new to the genre, this isn't like most MMO's and reward you tons of xp for completing quests. Sure I coulda cut that time in half by skipping dialogue, and farmed the same public dungeon in a group for tons of xp. But if you do what I'm doing and not rushing things there's 40 hours of content in a zone.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Lol I play WOW, TERA, and TOR. Why do I enjoy those games? Well because they have raiding. Just because someone enjoys a certain aspect of a game doesn't mean they have to be happy with just one game. Also I believe raiding has been a core aspect in mmo's for years and years. It's a good formula and it works. With lfg tools it's easier for people to experience end game raids and the story driven lore behind it. I played EverQuest once back in like 2008 it was a pretty good game I liked it but the outdated graphics really got the best of me and I quit after about 3 months.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
I used to love runescape back in 2001 for its sandbox features spent 2 years playing that and only got to 70. I don't know how well I'd like a game like that now that I've been playing MMO's like WoW, all that I remember doing was either farming mobs for hours or gathering for hours.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Lol I play WOW, TERA, and TOR. Why do I enjoy those games? Well because they have raiding. Just because someone enjoys a certain aspect of a game doesn't mean they have to be happy with just one game. Also I believe raiding has been a core aspect in mmo's for years and years. It's a good formula and it works. With lfg tools it's easier for people to experience end game raids and the story driven lore behind it. I played EverQuest once back in like 2008 it was a pretty good game I liked it but the outdated graphics really got the best of me and I quit after about 3 months.
So wait you are complaining about "grinding quests" at level 50 but want to have raids to experience the "story driven lore" behind them? What on earth do you think the quests give? Just because one mmo has raids doesn't mean they ALL have to. To get to 50 will take weeks for the average mmo player (i've played tons of mmos and have a /played of 45 hours and I am only level 25). Plus the quests for the other factions will increase the time to 50 twofold in addition to the veteran dungeons you can do to try to complete certain objectives for coordinated groups. By the time you get through all the quests and veteran dungeons I would expect the first content patch to be out which will introduce the raid type encounters you so desperately seem to want. If this all doesn't sound like a good time for you then fine but hating the game before you even play it just because you think it won't satisfy you without raids is a foolish stance.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
I used to love runescape back in 2001 for its sandbox features spent 2 years playing that and only got to 70. I don't know how well I'd like a game like that now that I've been playing MMO's like WoW, all that I remember doing was either farming mobs for hours or gathering for hours.
Yeah I remember just spending an entire day just farming for crafting materials to make weapons to sell at the market.
Originally posted by evilized Originally posted by Sk1ppeR Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.
Like NeverWinter's Foundry content? Just lol.
No, that's just giving minimal dev tools to players in a theme park game. Look up asheron's call, ultima online, star wars galaxies or even shadowbane if you need examples of sandboxes.
These games all had forms of "raiding" but it wasn't structured and there weren't specific class roles like you see today. Your lack of knowledge on this subject really just further proves my point that the general gaming public hasn't had any exposure to sandbox games. I'm not berating you, life is a learning process after all.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Lol I play WOW, TERA, and TOR. Why do I enjoy those games? Well because they have raiding. Just because someone enjoys a certain aspect of a game doesn't mean they have to be happy with just one game. Also I believe raiding has been a core aspect in mmo's for years and years. It's a good formula and it works. With lfg tools it's easier for people to experience end game raids and the story driven lore behind it. I played EverQuest once back in like 2008 it was a pretty good game I liked it but the outdated graphics really got the best of me and I quit after about 3 months.
So wait you are complaining about "grinding quests" at level 50 but want to have raids to experience the "story driven lore" behind them? What on earth do you think the quests give? Just because one mmo has raids doesn't mean they ALL have to. To get to 50 will take weeks for the average mmo player (i've played tons of mmos and have a /played of 45 hours and I am only level 25). Plus the quests for the other factions will increase the time to 50 twofold in addition to the veteran dungeons you can do to try to complete certain objectives for coordinated groups. By the time you get through all the quests and veteran dungeons I would expect the first content patch to be out which will introduce the raid type encounters you so desperately seem to want. If this all doesn't sound like a good time for you then fine but hating the game before you even play it just because you think it won't satisfy you without raids is a foolish stance.
Quests at max lvl are not End Game PvE Content. They are Solo Content at max lvl. Its not the same at all.
As for Raids i agree, not all mmo's have or must have Raids, that's true. But there are ppl who wants Raids to be their End Game Content and for those ppl ESO is out of the question.
Even if sometime Raids are implemented in ESO, as their own Devs said, they will be like 12 man trials & survival, rather than a WoW like Raid.
As for the pace of adding content and its quality, time will tell. No one knows the future
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Lol I play WOW, TERA, and TOR. Why do I enjoy those games? Well because they have raiding. Just because someone enjoys a certain aspect of a game doesn't mean they have to be happy with just one game. Also I believe raiding has been a core aspect in mmo's for years and years. It's a good formula and it works. With lfg tools it's easier for people to experience end game raids and the story driven lore behind it. I played EverQuest once back in like 2008 it was a pretty good game I liked it but the outdated graphics really got the best of me and I quit after about 3 months.
So wait you are complaining about "grinding quests" at level 50 but want to have raids to experience the "story driven lore" behind them? What on earth do you think the quests give? Just because one mmo has raids doesn't mean they ALL have to. To get to 50 will take weeks for the average mmo player (i've played tons of mmos and have a /played of 45 hours and I am only level 25). Plus the quests for the other factions will increase the time to 50 twofold in addition to the veteran dungeons you can do to try to complete certain objectives for coordinated groups. By the time you get through all the quests and veteran dungeons I would expect the first content patch to be out which will introduce the raid type encounters you so desperately seem to want. If this all doesn't sound like a good time for you then fine but hating the game before you even play it just because you think it won't satisfy you without raids is a foolish stance.
Quests at max lvl are not End Game PvE Content. They are Solo Content at max lvl. Its not the same at all.
As for Raids i agree, not all mmo's have or must have Raids, that's true. But there are ppl who wants Raids to be their End Game Content and for those ppl ESO is out of the question.
Even if sometime Raids are implemented in ESO, as their own Devs said, they will be like 12 man trials & survival, rather than a WoW like Raid.
As for the pace of adding content and its quality, time will tell. No one knows the future
^ He's right. Also it's not foolish. If I want a game to have raids and it satisfies me then I would want to play it. Why? Well because that's my want as a consumer. So you are the one that's foolish for delving your crap filled opinion at me.
Originally posted by evilized Games not for you OP. According to what you have said, WoW is the only game that will make you happy and that isn't even an mmo anymore.
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.
Like NeverWinter's Foundry content? Just lol.
No, that's just giving minimal dev tools to players in a theme park game. Look up asheron's call, ultima online, star wars galaxies or even shadowbane if you need examples of sandboxes. These games all had forms of "raiding" but it wasn't structured and there weren't specific class roles like you see today. Your lack of knowledge on this subject really just further proves my point that the general gaming public hasn't had any exposure to sandbox games. I'm not berating you, life is a learning process after all.
No I just don't play games like Asheron's Call or Ultima Online. Also Star Wars Galaxies wasn't my type of mmo and it sucked imo. That's just my opinion though. I knew about these games and I never liked them. Not everyone wants a sandbox.
Originally posted by Viadric Well that's a slap in the face to PVER's. Why in the hell would you not release endgame PVE content for the majority of mmo players who prefer PVE in this day and age?
What they have in place right now is 50 + content and 50++ content, which is a lot more than having a couple dungeons to do. (all your typical MMO usually has at launch)
THink of it like this. You have your typical MMO grind to endgame (50) which is actually rather slow compared to most MMO's today. Then you can do it again 2 more times after cap ( on teh same toon) with all new fully voiced content, that rounds out your veteran character status. You essentially have 150 levels of unique content to engage in before you're done with most of your progression, even then you won't be fully done, as there are skyshards (extra skill points) to find etc..
By the time you're done that you'll ahve adventure zones most likely, which are large areas with high level questing, dungeons both private and public, and their take on Raids.
Right now there is no adventure zones for end game yet, well that's what the guy said above. Just 4 man dungeons. Those get boring really fast. I prefer dynamic raids, dailies, heroic hard dungeongs and hardcore PVE guilds. Not running around in PVP spamming RvRvR. I have Guild Wars 2 for that type of gameplay.
You're not comprehending my post fully. There is plenty of PVE to do at 50+. Lots. THere will be large scale content in the adventure zones (well there's supposed to be), IE if I understand it right they will have large scale "open raiding".
As far as content goes right now at 50+ you have a lot to do, that has nothing at all to do with PVP. The only thing they really won't have yet is their take on raiding.
50+ and ++ are just extended solo content. Basically its just solo levelling up to 60 (50 rank 10). Not really what the OP was after in a MMO.
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Np m8. Just expressing my opinion without saying game sucks etc. The rest is up to you
40 hours? Must be new to mmo's I would probably be max level or close to it by than. Unless this is like a Korean grinder.
That would seem to be the closest to raids and it doesn't sound as though it is like a raid, seems more like a survival mode.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's teh nature of the game really there's a lot of running around, if you're doing content and not power leveling. IT's by no means a game like lineage, but it's not exactly TOR either. It's closer to Vanilla WOW or LOTRO in terms of pacing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
From what I gathered from this as of right now endgame is going to the other two factions and doing veteran quests. So you are just running like a retard grinding quests at max level that give no benefit or unlock any raid content (attuned questing). So it's pretty much a big delusional time waster to suck you dry for $15 a month instead of releasing raid content every 3 or so months so hardcore PVER's actually can get gear and kill that epic large boss in heroic for your achievement and epic drop.
SOLO OR DUO PVE:
Our Veteran Rank zones (playing other Alliance content), are the core of our solo / duo Veteran PvE content. I have said many times that our game opens up at 50—this is what I was talking about. At Veteran Rank 1 you can travel anywhere in the first or second alliance you want to go. When you meet the qualifications for opening up the third alliance, the entirety of the current game world is open to you. Yes, it does get harder, but that’s part of the fun and challenge. When you consider that 2/3 of the hand-crafted content and quests are available to you after you hit the level cap of 50, the veteran solo / duo game is huge. Skyshards, quests, delves, Dark Anchors, crafting, collections, achievements—basically everything you enjoyed during the 1-50 game, are all available at these Veteran Ranks.
Man for someone who doesn't even play the game you do write posts as if you are drawing from your own play experince. Its like i have to remind myself that 'this dude doesn't even own the game'.
Crazy!!!!!
This notion that MMOs must have raiding and an "endgame" really saddens me. I seriously can't wait for a sandbox to go mainstream and open people's eyes to what they have been missing out on since the very early 2000's.
Yeah you just can get to 50 in under 24 hours.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
I certainly can't, you're definitely not going to do it alone, and you better have your route mapped out perfectly.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm not new to the genre, this isn't like most MMO's and reward you tons of xp for completing quests. Sure I coulda cut that time in half by skipping dialogue, and farmed the same public dungeon in a group for tons of xp. But if you do what I'm doing and not rushing things there's 40 hours of content in a zone.
Lol I play WOW, TERA, and TOR. Why do I enjoy those games? Well because they have raiding. Just because someone enjoys a certain aspect of a game doesn't mean they have to be happy with just one game. Also I believe raiding has been a core aspect in mmo's for years and years. It's a good formula and it works. With lfg tools it's easier for people to experience end game raids and the story driven lore behind it. I played EverQuest once back in like 2008 it was a pretty good game I liked it but the outdated graphics really got the best of me and I quit after about 3 months.
I used to love runescape back in 2001 for its sandbox features spent 2 years playing that and only got to 70. I don't know how well I'd like a game like that now that I've been playing MMO's like WoW, all that I remember doing was either farming mobs for hours or gathering for hours.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.Like NeverWinter's Foundry content? Just lol.
So wait you are complaining about "grinding quests" at level 50 but want to have raids to experience the "story driven lore" behind them? What on earth do you think the quests give? Just because one mmo has raids doesn't mean they ALL have to. To get to 50 will take weeks for the average mmo player (i've played tons of mmos and have a /played of 45 hours and I am only level 25). Plus the quests for the other factions will increase the time to 50 twofold in addition to the veteran dungeons you can do to try to complete certain objectives for coordinated groups. By the time you get through all the quests and veteran dungeons I would expect the first content patch to be out which will introduce the raid type encounters you so desperately seem to want. If this all doesn't sound like a good time for you then fine but hating the game before you even play it just because you think it won't satisfy you without raids is a foolish stance.
Yeah I remember just spending an entire day just farming for crafting materials to make weapons to sell at the market.
Maybe majority of people prefer themeparks and don't want to deal with eye opening player made crappy content. Ever thought of that?
Considering the fact that no AAA sandboxes have been released in over 10 years I would argue that your statement is baseless. If you don't like the idea of sandbox game play just don't play. Not every game is for everybody and if you prefer theme park games then there are multitudes to choose from. It seems though that "the majority of people" have had no exposure to sandboxes and don't know what is even possible.Like NeverWinter's Foundry content? Just lol.
No, that's just giving minimal dev tools to players in a theme park game. Look up asheron's call, ultima online, star wars galaxies or even shadowbane if you need examples of sandboxes.
These games all had forms of "raiding" but it wasn't structured and there weren't specific class roles like you see today. Your lack of knowledge on this subject really just further proves my point that the general gaming public hasn't had any exposure to sandbox games. I'm not berating you, life is a learning process after all.
Quests at max lvl are not End Game PvE Content. They are Solo Content at max lvl. Its not the same at all.
As for Raids i agree, not all mmo's have or must have Raids, that's true. But there are ppl who wants Raids to be their End Game Content and for those ppl ESO is out of the question.
Even if sometime Raids are implemented in ESO, as their own Devs said, they will be like 12 man trials & survival, rather than a WoW like Raid.
As for the pace of adding content and its quality, time will tell. No one knows the future
^ He's right. Also it's not foolish. If I want a game to have raids and it satisfies me then I would want to play it. Why? Well because that's my want as a consumer. So you are the one that's foolish for delving your crap filled opinion at me.
No I just don't play games like Asheron's Call or Ultima Online. Also Star Wars Galaxies wasn't my type of mmo and it sucked imo. That's just my opinion though. I knew about these games and I never liked them. Not everyone wants a sandbox.
50+ and ++ are just extended solo content. Basically its just solo levelling up to 60 (50 rank 10). Not really what the OP was after in a MMO.
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