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Time for another F2P = the future thread
Dihoru
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After you watched the video where do you think F2P is going? Is it gonna go the way of the dodo? Is it going to supplant P2P as the predominant mode without causing its extinction? What are your thoughts?
Addendum: I line up 99% with the opinions displayed in that video.
Edit: Lovely forums do not love that video link, here:
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It is no longer a question of if it will supplant p2p as the predominant form without causing it's extinction. That's already happened. P2p is now the very very small minority.
I think things will even out. In a decade there will be a healthy mix and probably a few other options as well. P2p caused a lot of competition with each other, so f2p rose as the dominant form, a way to get past the $15 dollar limit and get people in the door. Eventually if its not already happening the competition among f2p will cause games too close and something else to spawn.
The developers that do F2P wrong will fail next to the developers that do P2P well. [Hypothetical]Heck, for P2P, not developing cash shop fluff could be a selling point to some players when the rest of the game updates are so good.
Ultimately it comes down to if the game is fun in the long run to keep you playing and paying. So both have a right to thrive.
Eh, a majority of MMO players still P2P games, even with the huge insurgency of F2P cash grabs. WoW is still sub and still the largest MMO by a long shot. With games like ESO and WildStar coming out sub based, I foresee more P2P in the coming years than large F2P games.
The only major F2P game coming out in the near future is EQ:N afaik.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Archeage... The Repopulation... Gloria Victis.... Perpetuum Online has gone B2P... need I really continue?
Archeage will probably have a pretty healthy population, but those others are going to go the way of the dodo I fear. Gloria Victis shows a little promise, but we'll just have to see.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
f2p is already dominant. LoL has more players than WoW, and TOR is only successful after turning f2p. Hence, i doubt there will be many p2p-only hold out except WoW.
I honestly dont care for F2P games.
It gives griefers unending supplies of accounts to troll and spam.
B2P with a Sub is the best way.
Lets see your Battle Stations /r/battlestations
Battle Station
thisx10000, p2p , b2p , good f2p i dont mind , just want to have fun , and dont feel like im just a walking wallet.
"Build a good game, and the money will come."
Excellent quote from the video, even though there were many other good parts too.
It's just a universal quote that companies run by accountants can't grasp, independent of the monetization model. Cash grabs have a high chance of returns, but I think people are wising up rapidly, having been eventually burned by everything from small apps to large MMO's. I won't miss cash grabs, believe me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
Just curious, is there such a thing as a sub/pay for in-game time? I've only seen sub-based mmos that offer 30 days, but those are calendar days...
I agree with a model in which you pay for a certain amount oh hours instead of days. Not like Asia pay/hour, but lets say a card that for 15$ gives you 400+ hours ( a full month is about 700 hours).
Yea. I only get around 60 - 100 (if I'm lucky) hours a month to play. That considered, subscriptions, while not being that expensive, don't give as much value as other games.
People get trolled in P2P and B2P games too (see that recent ESO thread with someone complaining due to a nearly nude archer running around his instance). Nice try at logic though.
I still believe in time we have stronger regulations concurning F2P games. They might even fall under a new made gambling law. Just guessing.
Now definitly not saying al F2P games are like gambling because there are a few that do a really good job at really being F2P like my own experiance with RIFT and think Neverwinter stands a good second place. Others I tried often hit me with a paywall or became very limited in gameplay/feature's unless when using a sub or cashshop.
Ya I have yet to see a payment model where it made a difference in how many jerks played. Much like people with access to a credit card be it their own or their moms and people who dont, there are jerks in every pool of player, rich, broke or in between. Matter of fact with microtransactions like name change and server change options even sub service makes it easy for jerks to get away with a lot.
So, am i the only one that wants B2P with paid cosmetics, DLC, expansions, etc?
The only thing that makes me uneasy on F2P is that, since devs need first and foremost to recover the investement, if there's no box or sub, the cash shop might get heavy from the start.
Besides that, i can see F2P being the future. Even mmos that launch with subs will probably convert to F2P/B2P eventually, imo. As long as your not trying to milk your playerbase, it's all good.
SWToR was failing till they went F2P, SoE moved all of their products from P2P to F2P and did it with style. I dont agree with you at all. Just takes devs putting their heads together and being creative and not being greedy.
Ignore the cash shop and have free fun. I do that, and there is no problem.
"good" is subjective. People who play must think they are fun.
Some of you guys seem to be forgetting something. Hybrid models are both F2P AND P2P. You cannot call Rift and SWTOR F2P only anymore than you can call WoW P2P only. WoW, Rift, & SWTOR, all have some level of F2P and yet still earn revenue from subscriptions. P2P isn't going anywhere.
And those were just 3 off the top of my head. How many other games are currently still operating that still earn revenues from subscribers?
Big difference between F2P and unlimited trial.