ZOS doesnt disagree with me, show me one person banned for killing the spawns.
also they havent changed the way to aquire it based off your needs
also just because other people did it at level 20 doesnt make it right
also ZOS probably does agree u shouldnt be obsessed over building a character based off something you *MIGHT* get
You are misunderstanding what he said. He said that the guy who scammed him was breaking the ToS and hence why the guy must have gotten banned.
The OP is not saying that the werewolf/vampire system is inhibiting his gameplay, just that it is poorly implemented and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts about it. I could go further in my analysis of what he is saying and it seems almost like he is asking for a means to counter scammers that currently does not exist in ESO because it is a PvE game. In a free-for-all PvP game you can at least try to exact revenge by killing the scammer. In ESO you can't. So that means either allow the scammed person to attack the player (a bit like thieves in EVE can get shot in high sec space by the loot's official owner) or make it so that things like bites can be traded safely.
It seems like a lot of people responding here completely missed his point and instead concentrated on the fact that he was scammed.
By the way, I have no thoughts about this since I do not play the game. I just thought I would try to get you back on track with what the OP is actually saying rather than going on the "ban spawn campers" thing.
One question the OP asked is about previous ES games and vampirism. At least in Skyrim, it is a completely random event to get bitten by a vampire. I played on a character that got bitten almost straight away, and another that has not gotten bitten so far though I played her for a lot longer. I don't remember if vampires were involved in Daggerfall or Morrowind though since I never got bitten in either of those two games. I get the impression that it should be somewhat rare in the single player game worlds. No idea what ZOS thinks it should be.
Originally posted by sketocafe I don't get how ZOS is encouraging this. It's possible to do this because you can't trade cooldowns with the official trade thing, but that is no means an encouragement to be a dick.
I'm not saying the "trade" portion of this is the problem. The problem is just the whole thing. The way you acquire the vampire/werewolf skill lines is utterly stupid.
So there is currently a big issue, at least in my mind, with the vampire/werewolf system.
Thoughts?
First, sorry that happened to you.
It really doesn't speak highly of the community with how common such scamming is in this game. I know other games in which such scamming is much less common.
That said, it should be somewhat common sense to be wary of giving people large chunks of money for something you are not guaranteed to receive. It's just asking to have a bad experience. I would highly recommend, if it's that important to you, to find a guild with vampires / werewolves in it that are willing to give bites to its members. This is one of those situations where being social in these types of games helps.
Talk to the people before you trade them. Get a sense of who they are as a person. See if you can talk to them in Voice (Teamspeak / Mumble / etc.). Chances are if they are unwilling to talk to you, or seem sketchy, they probably aren't trustworthy.
ZOS doesnt disagree with me, show me one person banned for killing the spawns.
also they havent changed the way to aquire it based off your needs
also just because other people did it at level 20 doesnt make it right
also ZOS probably does agree u shouldnt be obsessed over building a character based off something you *MIGHT* get
You are misunderstanding what he said. He said that the guy who scammed him was breaking the ToS and hence why the guy must have gotten banned.
The OP is not saying that the werewolf/vampire system is inhibiting his gameplay, just that it is poorly implemented and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts about it. I could go further in my analysis of what he is saying and it seems almost like he is asking for a means to counter scammers that currently does not exist in ESO because it is a PvE game. In a free-for-all PvP game you can at least try to exact revenge by killing the scammer. In ESO you can't. So that means either allow the scammed person to attack the player (a bit like thieves in EVE can get shot in high sec space by the loot's official owner) or make it so that things like bites can be traded safely.
It seems like a lot of people responding here completely missed his point and instead concentrated on the fact that he was scammed.
By the way, I have no thoughts about this since I do not play the game. I just thought I would try to get you back on track with what the OP is actually saying rather than going on the "ban spawn campers" thing.
One question the OP asked is about previous ES games and vampirism. At least in Skyrim, it is a completely random event to get bitten by a vampire. I played on a character that got bitten almost straight away, and another that has not gotten bitten so far though I played her for a lot longer. I don't remember if vampires were involved in Daggerfall or Morrowind though since I never got bitten in either of those two games. I get the impression that it should be somewhat rare in the single player game worlds. No idea what ZOS thinks it should be.
you realise in my post that he originally replied to with ZOS seems to disagree with you... i never once mentioned him getting scammed and was talking about other things being brought up from previous posts in the thread... i dont know if you read the whole way through or even my post that he replied too with that.. but there was no context at all about the scammer.
a bot is a program that automates gameplay for you.
i know a person on DC where i play, who every thursday and every sunday, hangs out in bangkorai when the moons are spawning, with full fighters guild abilities equipped and hunts the spawns... he isnt a bot, he isnt bitted by anything himself, he does it because he wants too... and probably to feed off all the salty tears of the campers.. now i mean thats not my cup of tea.. BUT if the amount of nerd rage and threats to report him are anything to go by he would have been reported at least over 40 times.. and this has been going on since launch and he's still here.
it's not griefing, you were never gauranteed to be a werewolf or a vampire, it's something you might get if you're lucky and people are allowed to kill them if they want too, at no point was it ever meant to turn into a camp ground farm point.. it was meant to be something you may randomly come across in the world, but static spawn locations was a poor implementation of this and was probably limited by phasing and server technology.
i know that a bot is a program. Maybe i did not word it right but when i said they are botting, but using common sense you can clearly see that if they are real people (not programs) they are behaving like bots do. And if by taking such behavior you are preventing other players from progressing in certain pve content (in this case from getting the vampire/ww skill line) then either they should be reported for exploitation or the company find a way to fix that for the rest of the players. Of course they might ignore the reports because they dont want to lose a subcriber, but they have to change the system to prevent these trolls from doing that IF they are really preventing players from getting the skill line.
a bot is a program that automates gameplay for you.
i know a person on DC where i play, who every thursday and every sunday, hangs out in bangkorai when the moons are spawning, with full fighters guild abilities equipped and hunts the spawns... he isnt a bot, he isnt bitted by anything himself, he does it because he wants too... and probably to feed off all the salty tears of the campers.. now i mean thats not my cup of tea.. BUT if the amount of nerd rage and threats to report him are anything to go by he would have been reported at least over 40 times.. and this has been going on since launch and he's still here.
it's not griefing, you were never gauranteed to be a werewolf or a vampire, it's something you might get if you're lucky and people are allowed to kill them if they want too, at no point was it ever meant to turn into a camp ground farm point.. it was meant to be something you may randomly come across in the world, but static spawn locations was a poor implementation of this and was probably limited by phasing and server technology.
i know that a bot is a program. Maybe i did not word it right but when i said they are botting, but using common sense you can clearly see that if they are real people (not programs) they are behaving like bots do. And if by taking such behavior you are preventing other players from progressing in certain pve content (in this case from getting the vampire/ww skill line) then either they should be reported for exploitation or the company find a way to fix that for the rest of the players. Of course they might ignore the reports because they dont want to lose a subcriber, but they have to change the system to prevent these trolls from doing that IF they are really preventing players from getting the skill line.
you are bringing up 2 very different problems... bots farm dungeons, not WW / vamp
I just find it disheartening that ZOS would encourage such actions because of how they designed the vamp/were system.
The Developer is not encouraging anyone to do anything against their will, YOU are perpetuating this problem, players like you who rather than finding another way to resolve the issue would rather pay the offending players their ransom.
Get out of the cycle of allowing others to deny you access to content, there is always another way, if you pay them then how do you expect the situation to change?
Is it absolutely the end of the world to wait for a possible future fix to this problem?
you realise in my post that he originally replied to with ZOS seems to disagree with you... i never once mentioned him getting scammed and was talking about other things being brought up from previous posts in the thread... i dont know if you read the whole way through or even my post that he replied too with that.. but there was no context at all about the scammer.
I have indeed and I did again and I stand by my interpretation.
You guys are talking around each other. He mentioned that ZOS agreed that his game was inhibited and therefore acted on it. What did they act on? The guy who scammed him. He was banned.
It has nothing to do with the werewolf/vampire spawn campers at all. ZOS has not changed that, so do you think he meant that in his answer to you? Really? Seems like the system he does not like is still in place so obviously ZOS does not agree with him on that issue at all.
you realise in my post that he originally replied to with ZOS seems to disagree with you... i never once mentioned him getting scammed and was talking about other things being brought up from previous posts in the thread... i dont know if you read the whole way through or even my post that he replied too with that.. but there was no context at all about the scammer.
I have indeed and I did again and I stand by my interpretation.
You guys are talking around each other. He mentioned that ZOS agreed that his game was inhibited and therefore acted on it. What did they act on? The guy who scammed him. He was banned.
It has nothing to do with the werewolf/vampire spawn campers at all. ZOS has not changed that, so do you think he meant that in his answer to you? Really? Seems like the system he does not like is still in place so obviously ZOS does not agree with him on that issue at all.
sorry, how is him losing 15k of what he said was meaningless coin inhibiting his gameplay?
he was talking about being inhibited in relation to being unable to get the bite from the spawn locations due to people killing it as soon as it spawns.
Agree it's a problem with all the griefing. I tried to get a bite for a few days because everyone would say they want to sell them then I'd whisper and they'd tell me ok 1 sec and yell into zone chat I got this offer can anyone go higher? At that point I tell them no thanks. I'm not on eBay last I checked =/ Price gouging is an issue with tards trying to buy bites for 40K+ in chat and these auctioning of bites.
I got lucky and found a really nice girl and her BF that sold me a bite for 15k no scams. Even gave me bite first before I paid. I leveled up the skill line and then figured I would "pay it forward", gave a guy a bite for same price, no stupid auctioning.
The ESO community has turned out to be really disappointing thus far, not just from this whole thing with bites. Then never being able to play with the bug preventing me from doing main story and getting stuck in endless hours of Cyrodiil load screen and perma maintenance. It might not even be worth subbing if they can't get their shit together.
That being said if OP still needs a bite by the end of the week I'll give you one free. I wish bites were going for a lot cheaper or even free. 15k should be the highest IMO.
From ZOS:
<p message"="">We are continuing to monitor vampire and werewolf spawn availability. We have a few suggestions that may help those of you who are on the hunt (some of which are mentioned in this thread.)
There are multiple spawn points at any given time during the availability period for each. We encourage seeking them out, especially if you see that one is being camped.
Some people are giving away bites for free. Keep an eye out for those opportunities, and if you are able, consider paying it forward for the next person. The more the community comes together to combat those who are griefing, the less viable the griefing and price gouging will be.
Join a guild that provides free vampire and werewolf bites to its members.
If you're in an instance that is very crowded during the availability period, try relogging to be placed in a different instance.
Not sure why this is too much different to rare spawns with particular drops in other mmos or, for example, the spirit beasts in wow who have particular exclusive skills that some hunters want. There was always a group of people killing them over and over on sight and others selling the spawn themselves...
Not sure if this was said or not, many posts in here about the matter. BUT, a "fix" more or less that seems do'able is for them to move the mobs into personal dungeons. If not a 1 person dungeon but a 4 person one. Kind of a no brainer if you ask me.
I say that with no knowledge of how coding in games work, how hard it would be to move them that sorta thing, so maybe I'm the dumb one when it comes to fixing the problem. And it IS a problem like someone else said, if there are people out there limiting your progression of your game, they should be banned. Them killing mobs that only spawn at certain times or what not, that is very much doing what was said.
If I get a bite, trust me I won't charge a damn thing for it, I'll give it to someone who not only is not a douche' but would appreciate and pay it forward. I hate to think that only the grievers can have something, like in ALL other MMO's I have played, I"m sure I'll fall behind in what I want. I"d rather RP a bite and appreciate the RP in my MMORPG. I look forward to having a sense of community again that this particular thing gives that opportunity.
Originally posted by sketocafe I don't get how ZOS is encouraging this. It's possible to do this because you can't trade cooldowns with the official trade thing, but that is no means an encouragement to be a dick.
I'm not saying the "trade" portion of this is the problem. The problem is just the whole thing. The way you acquire the vampire/werewolf skill lines is utterly stupid.
Still isn't ZOS encouraging the rippoffs. You said they were, explain how you feel they are.
There was a post on the offical forums regarding this. Scamming people is ageanst the TOS all you have to do is report it to the CS and they will take care of it and punish the person that scammed you.
They have a zero scamming policy. You scam someone you will get punished for doing it, temp ban and whatever you got returned to the person you scammed.
This is not eve and it is not a anything goes game.
your experience is so dramatically different from mine. I dont really want to be a ww or a vamp, but i did those quest just out of curious and to play the content. I didnt "camp" those spot at all, i just do my things and travel to the spots if any one says there is a vamp or ww spawns. i did that 3 times and every time i got the bite easily, most people were doing their best to not kill those mobs. i became a ww once and a vamp once. and i even discovered a bug that you cant finish the ww quest if you were a ww before and cured it. I dont feel the bite selelrs hold all the powers either, since there are alot people selling bites, not less than people buying them, if not more. you should have only paid half the price.
so everyone in the pvp will be vampires? lol next you know eso will ahve the dawnguard skill line who raise the damage on vampires in 50%, that would be really funny
ZOS doesnt disagree with me, show me one person banned for killing the spawns.
also they havent changed the way to aquire it based off your needs
also just because other people did it at level 20 doesnt make it right
also ZOS probably does agree u shouldnt be obsessed over building a character based off something you *MIGHT* get
You are misunderstanding what he said. He said that the guy who scammed him was breaking the ToS and hence why the guy must have gotten banned.
The OP is not saying that the werewolf/vampire system is inhibiting his gameplay, just that it is poorly implemented and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts about it. I could go further in my analysis of what he is saying and it seems almost like he is asking for a means to counter scammers that currently does not exist in ESO because it is a PvE game. In a free-for-all PvP game you can at least try to exact revenge by killing the scammer. In ESO you can't. So that means either allow the scammed person to attack the player (a bit like thieves in EVE can get shot in high sec space by the loot's official owner) or make it so that things like bites can be traded safely.
It seems like a lot of people responding here completely missed his point and instead concentrated on the fact that he was scammed.
By the way, I have no thoughts about this since I do not play the game. I just thought I would try to get you back on track with what the OP is actually saying rather than going on the "ban spawn campers" thing.
One question the OP asked is about previous ES games and vampirism. At least in Skyrim, it is a completely random event to get bitten by a vampire. I played on a character that got bitten almost straight away, and another that has not gotten bitten so far though I played her for a lot longer. I don't remember if vampires were involved in Daggerfall or Morrowind though since I never got bitten in either of those two games. I get the impression that it should be somewhat rare in the single player game worlds. No idea what ZOS thinks it should be.
Thanks for this, you're 100% right. I should have titled this thread something different. The fact I got scammed was a product of this system....and my argument is that the system sucks. I'd imagine I'm getting a lot of responses just from the thread title and not actually about my point.
ZOS doesnt disagree with me, show me one person banned for killing the spawns.
also they havent changed the way to aquire it based off your needs
also just because other people did it at level 20 doesnt make it right
also ZOS probably does agree u shouldnt be obsessed over building a character based off something you *MIGHT* get
You are misunderstanding what he said. He said that the guy who scammed him was breaking the ToS and hence why the guy must have gotten banned.
The OP is not saying that the werewolf/vampire system is inhibiting his gameplay, just that it is poorly implemented and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts about it. I could go further in my analysis of what he is saying and it seems almost like he is asking for a means to counter scammers that currently does not exist in ESO because it is a PvE game. In a free-for-all PvP game you can at least try to exact revenge by killing the scammer. In ESO you can't. So that means either allow the scammed person to attack the player (a bit like thieves in EVE can get shot in high sec space by the loot's official owner) or make it so that things like bites can be traded safely.
It seems like a lot of people responding here completely missed his point and instead concentrated on the fact that he was scammed.
By the way, I have no thoughts about this since I do not play the game. I just thought I would try to get you back on track with what the OP is actually saying rather than going on the "ban spawn campers" thing.
One question the OP asked is about previous ES games and vampirism. At least in Skyrim, it is a completely random event to get bitten by a vampire. I played on a character that got bitten almost straight away, and another that has not gotten bitten so far though I played her for a lot longer. I don't remember if vampires were involved in Daggerfall or Morrowind though since I never got bitten in either of those two games. I get the impression that it should be somewhat rare in the single player game worlds. No idea what ZOS thinks it should be.
you realise in my post that he originally replied to with ZOS seems to disagree with you... i never once mentioned him getting scammed and was talking about other things being brought up from previous posts in the thread... i dont know if you read the whole way through or even my post that he replied too with that.. but there was no context at all about the scammer.
I then replied again saying that I misunderstood you and then agreed with you. I guess you missed that.
Agree it's a problem with all the griefing. I tried to get a bite for a few days because everyone would say they want to sell them then I'd whisper and they'd tell me ok 1 sec and yell into zone chat I got this offer can anyone go higher? At that point I tell them no thanks. I'm not on eBay last I checked =/ Price gouging is an issue with tards trying to buy bites for 40K+ in chat and these auctioning of bites.
I got lucky and found a really nice girl and her BF that sold me a bite for 15k no scams. Even gave me bite first before I paid. I leveled up the skill line and then figured I would "pay it forward", gave a guy a bite for same price, no stupid auctioning.
The ESO community has turned out to be really disappointing thus far, not just from this whole thing with bites. Then never being able to play with the bug preventing me from doing main story and getting stuck in endless hours of Cyrodiil load screen and perma maintenance. It might not even be worth subbing if they can't get their shit together.
That being said if OP still needs a bite by the end of the week I'll give you one free. I wish bites were going for a lot cheaper or even free. 15k should be the highest IMO.
From ZOS:
<p message"="">We are continuing to monitor vampire and werewolf spawn availability. We have a few suggestions that may help those of you who are on the hunt (some of which are mentioned in this thread.)
There are multiple spawn points at any given time during the availability period for each. We encourage seeking them out, especially if you see that one is being camped.
Some people are giving away bites for free. Keep an eye out for those opportunities, and if you are able, consider paying it forward for the next person. The more the community comes together to combat those who are griefing, the less viable the griefing and price gouging will be.
Join a guild that provides free vampire and werewolf bites to its members.
If you're in an instance that is very crowded during the availability period, try relogging to be placed in a different instance.
Thanks I appreciate that. You basically took the exact same risk I did and got the better coin flip. Admittedly, the guy I was dealing with wasn't pleasant like the people you got your bite from. It was basically, "WTS vamp bite 15k" and I responded. I ported to the shrine and he said "Give me 15k now or else I'll bite someone else".
I should have walked away then and looked for someone nicer. But I just said to myself, "meh, 15k isn't a big deal".
I just feel that the vamp/were system shouldn't work this way. It could have been done in ways that weren't grief-able and WAY more fun than they are now. Like some epic quest line that is started through crafting some "ritual stone" which takes a bunch of mats from various dungeons across the world. There's just so much more that they could have done than 4 static spawns that only happen once or twice a week...that don't respawn once they are killed until the next cycle.
Originally posted by sketocafe I don't get how ZOS is encouraging this. It's possible to do this because you can't trade cooldowns with the official trade thing, but that is no means an encouragement to be a dick.
I'm not saying the "trade" portion of this is the problem. The problem is just the whole thing. The way you acquire the vampire/werewolf skill lines is utterly stupid.
Still isn't ZOS encouraging the rippoffs. You said they were, explain how you feel they are.
The system they designed highly encourages people to sell "bites". Not only are the mobs pseduo-rare spawns, but it is required they be kept alive in order to acquire the skill-line. This allows players who have already acquired the skill-line to then kill these mobs and attempt to corner a "market" on player given "bites". Like I mentioned before, most of my clan members are getting 25k to 50k gold for their bites. I have one clan member that has made a little over 400k gold selling bites from his different characters...it is a very profitable "market" right now.
All that being said, there is no way to guarantee that you won't get scammed when purchasing or selling
So...the system highly encourages people to sell and pay for bites. There is no way to guarantee that you won't get scammed when these transactions occur. Because ZOS isn't doing anything to change this system and fix the problem, they are effectively allowing people to scam other players.
Encouraging is the wrong word. As proven by my experience, they banned the guy that scammed me...so they absolutely aren't encouraging it. My whole argument is there shouldn't even be a system in game that allows players to scam you. I don't mean that in there should be a way to securely sell bites. I'm saying that nobody should need or want to sell bites.
Originally posted by vzerov your experience is so dramatically different from mine. I dont really want to be a ww or a vamp, but i did those quest just out of curious and to play the content. I didnt "camp" those spot at all, i just do my things and travel to the spots if any one says there is a vamp or ww spawns. i did that 3 times and every time i got the bite easily, most people were doing their best to not kill those mobs. i became a ww once and a vamp once. and i even discovered a bug that you cant finish the ww quest if you were a ww before and cured it. I dont feel the bite selelrs hold all the powers either, since there are alot people selling bites, not less than people buying them, if not more. you should have only paid half the price.
Wow that's lucky man. What time frame were you in the zone with relation to release of the game? I've been enjoying the game a ton and really taking my time. I'm at like 60 hours played or something and I am only level 36. Since I'm so behind the curve, it seems like every Bangkorai instance is just packed with people.
I've tried logging in and out to try and find emptier instances. I found one that seemed like a Cyrodiil keep siege. There were at least 100 people at each of the 4 spawns.
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You are misunderstanding what he said. He said that the guy who scammed him was breaking the ToS and hence why the guy must have gotten banned.
The OP is not saying that the werewolf/vampire system is inhibiting his gameplay, just that it is poorly implemented and wanted to know other peoples' thoughts about it. I could go further in my analysis of what he is saying and it seems almost like he is asking for a means to counter scammers that currently does not exist in ESO because it is a PvE game. In a free-for-all PvP game you can at least try to exact revenge by killing the scammer. In ESO you can't. So that means either allow the scammed person to attack the player (a bit like thieves in EVE can get shot in high sec space by the loot's official owner) or make it so that things like bites can be traded safely.
It seems like a lot of people responding here completely missed his point and instead concentrated on the fact that he was scammed.
By the way, I have no thoughts about this since I do not play the game. I just thought I would try to get you back on track with what the OP is actually saying rather than going on the "ban spawn campers" thing.
One question the OP asked is about previous ES games and vampirism. At least in Skyrim, it is a completely random event to get bitten by a vampire. I played on a character that got bitten almost straight away, and another that has not gotten bitten so far though I played her for a lot longer. I don't remember if vampires were involved in Daggerfall or Morrowind though since I never got bitten in either of those two games. I get the impression that it should be somewhat rare in the single player game worlds. No idea what ZOS thinks it should be.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
I'm not saying the "trade" portion of this is the problem. The problem is just the whole thing. The way you acquire the vampire/werewolf skill lines is utterly stupid.
First, sorry that happened to you.
It really doesn't speak highly of the community with how common such scamming is in this game. I know other games in which such scamming is much less common.
That said, it should be somewhat common sense to be wary of giving people large chunks of money for something you are not guaranteed to receive. It's just asking to have a bad experience. I would highly recommend, if it's that important to you, to find a guild with vampires / werewolves in it that are willing to give bites to its members. This is one of those situations where being social in these types of games helps.
Talk to the people before you trade them. Get a sense of who they are as a person. See if you can talk to them in Voice (Teamspeak / Mumble / etc.). Chances are if they are unwilling to talk to you, or seem sketchy, they probably aren't trustworthy.
you realise in my post that he originally replied to with ZOS seems to disagree with you... i never once mentioned him getting scammed and was talking about other things being brought up from previous posts in the thread... i dont know if you read the whole way through or even my post that he replied too with that.. but there was no context at all about the scammer.
i know that a bot is a program. Maybe i did not word it right but when i said they are botting, but using common sense you can clearly see that if they are real people (not programs) they are behaving like bots do. And if by taking such behavior you are preventing other players from progressing in certain pve content (in this case from getting the vampire/ww skill line) then either they should be reported for exploitation or the company find a way to fix that for the rest of the players. Of course they might ignore the reports because they dont want to lose a subcriber, but they have to change the system to prevent these trolls from doing that IF they are really preventing players from getting the skill line.
sorry i guess i should have specified. they're kind of a glowy red. just look for a screenshot online. or go here
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/67789/vampirism-i-didn-t-expect-my-character-to-become-sexy
that's the kind of red you would expect in a vampire's eyes
you are bringing up 2 very different problems... bots farm dungeons, not WW / vamp
The great "MMO community" at work right here.
First players are purposely killing these vampires and werewolves immediately as they spawn to severely limit access to bites.
Then when a player gets frustrated by that he tries to buy a bite and gets scammed.
Why anyone can think that there can be a return to high profile MMOs having highly interdependent gameplay is beyond me.
Any MMO gameplay system that allows players to grief other players in some small way will be heavily griefed.
The Developer is not encouraging anyone to do anything against their will, YOU are perpetuating this problem, players like you who rather than finding another way to resolve the issue would rather pay the offending players their ransom.
Get out of the cycle of allowing others to deny you access to content, there is always another way, if you pay them then how do you expect the situation to change?
Is it absolutely the end of the world to wait for a possible future fix to this problem?
I have indeed and I did again and I stand by my interpretation.
You guys are talking around each other. He mentioned that ZOS agreed that his game was inhibited and therefore acted on it. What did they act on? The guy who scammed him. He was banned.
It has nothing to do with the werewolf/vampire spawn campers at all. ZOS has not changed that, so do you think he meant that in his answer to you? Really? Seems like the system he does not like is still in place so obviously ZOS does not agree with him on that issue at all.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
sorry, how is him losing 15k of what he said was meaningless coin inhibiting his gameplay?
he was talking about being inhibited in relation to being unable to get the bite from the spawn locations due to people killing it as soon as it spawns.
Agree it's a problem with all the griefing. I tried to get a bite for a few days because everyone would say they want to sell them then I'd whisper and they'd tell me ok 1 sec and yell into zone chat I got this offer can anyone go higher? At that point I tell them no thanks. I'm not on eBay last I checked =/ Price gouging is an issue with tards trying to buy bites for 40K+ in chat and these auctioning of bites.
I got lucky and found a really nice girl and her BF that sold me a bite for 15k no scams. Even gave me bite first before I paid. I leveled up the skill line and then figured I would "pay it forward", gave a guy a bite for same price, no stupid auctioning.
The ESO community has turned out to be really disappointing thus far, not just from this whole thing with bites. Then never being able to play with the bug preventing me from doing main story and getting stuck in endless hours of Cyrodiil load screen and perma maintenance. It might not even be worth subbing if they can't get their shit together.
That being said if OP still needs a bite by the end of the week I'll give you one free. I wish bites were going for a lot cheaper or even free. 15k should be the highest IMO.
From ZOS:
<p message"="">We are continuing to monitor vampire and werewolf spawn availability. We have a few suggestions that may help those of you who are on the hunt (some of which are mentioned in this thread.)Not sure if this was said or not, many posts in here about the matter. BUT, a "fix" more or less that seems do'able is for them to move the mobs into personal dungeons. If not a 1 person dungeon but a 4 person one. Kind of a no brainer if you ask me.
I say that with no knowledge of how coding in games work, how hard it would be to move them that sorta thing, so maybe I'm the dumb one when it comes to fixing the problem. And it IS a problem like someone else said, if there are people out there limiting your progression of your game, they should be banned. Them killing mobs that only spawn at certain times or what not, that is very much doing what was said.
If I get a bite, trust me I won't charge a damn thing for it, I'll give it to someone who not only is not a douche' but would appreciate and pay it forward. I hate to think that only the grievers can have something, like in ALL other MMO's I have played, I"m sure I'll fall behind in what I want. I"d rather RP a bite and appreciate the RP in my MMORPG. I look forward to having a sense of community again that this particular thing gives that opportunity.
(sorry, ranted a little)
Still isn't ZOS encouraging the rippoffs. You said they were, explain how you feel they are.
There was a post on the offical forums regarding this. Scamming people is ageanst the TOS all you have to do is report it to the CS and they will take care of it and punish the person that scammed you.
They have a zero scamming policy. You scam someone you will get punished for doing it, temp ban and whatever you got returned to the person you scammed.
This is not eve and it is not a anything goes game.
Thanks for this, you're 100% right. I should have titled this thread something different. The fact I got scammed was a product of this system....and my argument is that the system sucks. I'd imagine I'm getting a lot of responses just from the thread title and not actually about my point.
Thanks for backing me up though.
I then replied again saying that I misunderstood you and then agreed with you. I guess you missed that.
Thanks I appreciate that. You basically took the exact same risk I did and got the better coin flip. Admittedly, the guy I was dealing with wasn't pleasant like the people you got your bite from. It was basically, "WTS vamp bite 15k" and I responded. I ported to the shrine and he said "Give me 15k now or else I'll bite someone else".
I should have walked away then and looked for someone nicer. But I just said to myself, "meh, 15k isn't a big deal".
I just feel that the vamp/were system shouldn't work this way. It could have been done in ways that weren't grief-able and WAY more fun than they are now. Like some epic quest line that is started through crafting some "ritual stone" which takes a bunch of mats from various dungeons across the world. There's just so much more that they could have done than 4 static spawns that only happen once or twice a week...that don't respawn once they are killed until the next cycle.
The system they designed highly encourages people to sell "bites". Not only are the mobs pseduo-rare spawns, but it is required they be kept alive in order to acquire the skill-line. This allows players who have already acquired the skill-line to then kill these mobs and attempt to corner a "market" on player given "bites". Like I mentioned before, most of my clan members are getting 25k to 50k gold for their bites. I have one clan member that has made a little over 400k gold selling bites from his different characters...it is a very profitable "market" right now.
All that being said, there is no way to guarantee that you won't get scammed when purchasing or selling
So...the system highly encourages people to sell and pay for bites. There is no way to guarantee that you won't get scammed when these transactions occur. Because ZOS isn't doing anything to change this system and fix the problem, they are effectively allowing people to scam other players.
Encouraging is the wrong word. As proven by my experience, they banned the guy that scammed me...so they absolutely aren't encouraging it. My whole argument is there shouldn't even be a system in game that allows players to scam you. I don't mean that in there should be a way to securely sell bites. I'm saying that nobody should need or want to sell bites.
Wow that's lucky man. What time frame were you in the zone with relation to release of the game? I've been enjoying the game a ton and really taking my time. I'm at like 60 hours played or something and I am only level 36. Since I'm so behind the curve, it seems like every Bangkorai instance is just packed with people.
I've tried logging in and out to try and find emptier instances. I found one that seemed like a Cyrodiil keep siege. There were at least 100 people at each of the 4 spawns.