Why is it an abuse if there is such a quest with no limit to the number of times you can take it. It is only an abuse if you do something not allowed but if the game allowed for it to be taken the fact that someone was taking the same quest over and over is not an abuse. ( I would not personally do that as I would go slightly mad but to each his own) . Do not be so quick to label things abuse or exploit when it is not so.
Gear counts. Think of it as a constructive 'whole'. Skills are 50% gear and build are 25% each. Put together a good combo and you have all the edges, ftw.
I haven't done much with my crafter as far as gear sets but I'm making my notes whenever I find one. Not sure if one 3 piece set and one 5 piece set will be better than three 3 piece sets. All depends on which ones I use and how I stack them. (7 pieces of armor, 1 shield and 1 one-handed weapon for 9 pieces)
Originally posted by MikeJezZ How do I level at a apropiate speed? I have used 58 hours into ESO and I am only level 21 ½. I know it is not a rush but I want to be competitive in AvA
I love the responses to this question, and it is just a question. It's a very short one and I've read it 10 times to make sure I haven't missed anything. There's no innuendo, no subtle suggestion of discontent, no hateful undertones. The guy just asked how he can level faster and the attack was swift and immediate, "go back to WoW" they say.
I will never understand why people use WoW as an insult. Have they grown to loathe success so much as to prefer to watch their favorite game crash and burn rather than resemble, even slightly, the most successful MMO in the history of the genre. The only major MMO in the last 5 years at least to be able to maintain a subscriber base while all others had to retreat to the also-ran world of F2P?
You know you all played it, you know you all loved playing it, but now you join in the bleating cacophony of WoW haters pretending you didn't in order to use it as a blunt instrument against anyone who even suggests your new favorite game may have even the slightest of flaws.
I'm having a great time (aside from the bugs). I've made it to level 32 after rolling a few alts to try the different classes out. It feels fine to me. I'm enjoying the story and the leveling process. You only level your first character to 50 once. Enjoy the ride. It will be over soon and you will know all the ins and outs of leveling soon.
I've still be able to contribute in pvp. Most other players are not 50 yet. So it depends on what you really mean by "competitive." Don't burn out.
OP - if you feel that you are leveling slow its an indicator that you are not having fun. Usually when you are having fun in game leveling just *happens*, and you get surprised when you level as you are having a blast and are not focused on leveling up.
So just something to consider, maybe don't focus on leveling up and make it a fun experience.
If that is not working for you - then
1. Create a powerful solo build
2. Rip through content as fast as possible
I got to level 50 in 92 hours played, yes not very fast but I did it via questing.
Bugged quests lost me hours before I realized that moving on and skipping them is the most efficient way (unless they were main or key guild quests)
This sounds right to me.
By the way, DMKano, I've started a destro staff DK for pvp after you mentioned it. Any tips for armor and skill set up? What do you use as a secondary weapon?
Originally posted by ohioastro Originally posted by BeansnBread Originally posted by JeroKane Originally posted by Xasapis Originally posted by Magiknight I would rather die than play another MMO where you rush to end game.
You can rush any game to end game, ESO included. Lets not forget that the first guy to hit 50 on ESO did it in 17 hours.
And is his account still active? As if I remember correctly there was quite a huge exploit they killed off within 2 days of Early Access.
I assume the People that "obviously" exploited this (and purposly not reported it in Beta to take advantage of in release) got banned!
It wasn't an exploit and people that leveled fast didn't get banned.
It was removed from the game. They were taking the "kill 20 foes" in cyrodil quest over and over and over. It's now restricted to once a day. And, yes, I'd count that as an abuse of the game mechanisms (e.g. a path to level 50 in hours, involving being part of a group, and something that you could get credit for without raising a finger.)
Actually, you're wrong. But that was another way that people could level pretty fast.
How can dude be wrong and right at the same time?
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
Originally posted by MikeJezZ How do I level at a apropiate speed? I have used 58 hours into ESO and I am only level 21 ½. I know it is not a rush but I want to be competitive in AvA
I love the responses to this question, and it is just a question. It's a very short one and I've read it 10 times to make sure I haven't missed anything. There's no innuendo, no subtle suggestion of discontent, no hateful undertones. The guy just asked how he can level faster and the attack was swift and immediate, "go back to WoW" they say.
I will never understand why people use WoW as an insult. Have they grown to loathe success so much as to prefer to watch their favorite game crash and burn rather than resemble, even slightly, the most successful MMO in the history of the genre. The only major MMO in the last 5 years at least to be able to maintain a subscriber base while all others had to retreat to the also-ran world of F2P?
You know you all played it, you know you all loved playing it, but now you join in the bleating cacophony of WoW haters pretending you didn't in order to use it as a blunt instrument against anyone who even suggests your new favorite game may have even the slightest of flaws.
If I tell someone to go back to WoW I don't mean it as an insult. I simply mean that if you are looking for what WoW offers then you should play WoW, and not try to turn every other game you play into it. That just destroys other games. The fact is that the people who want to be playing WoW are playing WoW. By copying that game you have ensured that most of your potential base is already playing a different, more popular game that they already have time invested in, and that the customers that are looking for a game won't like what you are offering because if they were looking for those features they would be playing the game that is already out that offers those features (WoW).
Originally posted by Magiknight I would rather die than play another MMO where you rush to end game.
You can rush any game to end game, ESO included. Lets not forget that the first guy to hit 50 on ESO did it in 17 hours.
And is his account still active? As if I remember correctly there was quite a huge exploit they killed off within 2 days of Early Access.
I assume the People that "obviously" exploited this (and purposly not reported it in Beta to take advantage of in release) got banned!
It wasn't an exploit and people that leveled fast didn't get banned.
It was removed from the game. They were taking the "kill 20 foes" in cyrodil quest over and over and over. It's now restricted to once a day. And, yes, I'd count that as an abuse of the game mechanisms (e.g. a path to level 50 in hours, involving being part of a group, and something that you could get credit for without raising a finger.)
Actually, you're wrong. But that was another way that people could level pretty fast.
How can dude be wrong and right at the same time?
I meant about the abuse. There was no abuse involved in it.
One of my favorite things about this game is the slow leveling process. So many new MMO's feel the need to rush you to "endgame" and have you blow through each zone at break neck speed where you don't even get to truly enjoy these beautiful zones the devs have created ie Guildwars2 Im looking at you.
If you really want to reach level50 as auickly as possible, you can do AoE grind. To do this you must be a class that is capable of continuously AoEing several monsters. On Tamriel Foundry forums are topics on AoE powerleveling including maps that show the best spots.
Please keep in mind that your level is only one component that defines the strength of your character. Questing through the zones gives you many additional skillpoints via skyshards and certain quest lines that you do not want to miss.
I'm aware of that. But you also have weapons that yields more damage and gear with better armor and stats.
It really makes little difference. Ive gone up against people of all levels, only level 25 myself, and a 50 doesnt put up a whole lot more of a fight than anyone else. The key thing is going to be your build and your own personal skills, not gear / levels.
Granted some classes / builds can become much more powerful when at higher levels than lower levels due to having access to skills that were not available before, as well as some more passives, but as I mentioned that will depend on build. My particular build on my main basically has all of the main skills I plan on using already by level 25, with the exception of 1 which I am still unsure if I will even use much. The only thing I really have to look forward to now is getting some more bonuses from passives. Other types of builds may be lacking in useful skills for their type at lower levels and pick up some things that really make them shine at higher levels.
Also keep in mind that one factor in improving your gear later on will be running with crafted sets that gives bonuses that suit your build. Higher levels may be making more use of these at this point, however you can always get those same sets / bonuses put on low level gear as well giving you that same advantage. Just need to make friends with a crafter who has enough traits unlocked and access to those crafting stations.
So you are saying gear mattter as little as in Guild Wars 2?
Wow, Im not going to resub then
Not really. It isn't a non-factor, but it is not a huge factor as in say a game like WoW where generally level and gear = auto win.
In a way it's kind of more along the lines of something like Darkfall. Having better gear can give you an edge, but doesnt make you OP compared to everyone else. Like say 2 people with similar builds & of equal skill going against eachother, the gear may decide the fight. But unlike a lot of gear dependent games, if you're a shitty player a good player who is lower level and in lesser gear will still kick the shit out of you. Thats kind of how it worked in DF. You had people who crutched on good stats & gear to make them seem good, only to have someone on an undeveloped character in nothing but low end gear come gank them with ease.
Originally posted by Magiknight I would rather die than play another MMO where you rush to end game.
You can rush any game to end game, ESO included. Lets not forget that the first guy to hit 50 on ESO did it in 17 hours.
And is his account still active? As if I remember correctly there was quite a huge exploit they killed off within 2 days of Early Access.
I assume the People that "obviously" exploited this (and purposly not reported it in Beta to take advantage of in release) got banned!
It wasn't an exploit and people that leveled fast didn't get banned.
It was removed from the game. They were taking the "kill 20 foes" in cyrodil quest over and over and over. It's now restricted to once a day. And, yes, I'd count that as an abuse of the game mechanisms (e.g. a path to level 50 in hours, involving being part of a group, and something that you could get credit for without raising a finger.)
Actually, you're wrong. But that was another way that people could level pretty fast.
How can dude be wrong and right at the same time?
I meant about the abuse. There was no abuse involved in it.
The abuse wasn't that players were repeatedly doing the quest. That was the original intention.
The abuse was collusion through "win trading." As in, make friends with a guild on opposite faction, agree to exploit the game by trading quest completion repeatedly. We pick up the quest, you stand there and let us kill you, then we turn in quest. Rinse and repeat. Then, we'll stand there while you farm us and turn in the quest repeatedly. Never underestimate people's desire to exploit game mechanics.
Similar thing happened in early seasons of WoW Arenas. You want to get a frost wyrm mount? Make friends with other team, they make a smurf team, queue at 3am, stand there while your team kills them and wins rating. Then you create a smurf team and let them rank up from farming you. Both teams then sit on their rating (by not doing any more arenas during that season) and both get Frost Wyrms.
Same thing happened when Vanilla WoW had the PvP ladder system. People shared their logins and played the same account 24/7 which meant no single human player could actually compete on the ladder as you had to do a month straight of 24/7 pvp. And they just played each other's characters to get GM. And that's why the ladder system was retired.
Originally posted by Magiknight I would rather die than play another MMO where you rush to end game.
You can rush any game to end game, ESO included. Lets not forget that the first guy to hit 50 on ESO did it in 17 hours.
And is his account still active? As if I remember correctly there was quite a huge exploit they killed off within 2 days of Early Access.
I assume the People that "obviously" exploited this (and purposly not reported it in Beta to take advantage of in release) got banned!
It wasn't an exploit and people that leveled fast didn't get banned.
It was removed from the game. They were taking the "kill 20 foes" in cyrodil quest over and over and over. It's now restricted to once a day. And, yes, I'd count that as an abuse of the game mechanisms (e.g. a path to level 50 in hours, involving being part of a group, and something that you could get credit for without raising a finger.)
Actually, you're wrong. But that was another way that people could level pretty fast.
How can dude be wrong and right at the same time?
I meant about the abuse. There was no abuse involved in it.
The abuse wasn't that players were repeatedly doing the quest. That was the original intention.
The abuse was collusion through "win trading." As in, make friends with a guild on opposite faction, agree to exploit the game by trading quest completion repeatedly. We pick up the quest, you stand there and let us kill you, then we turn in quest. Rinse and repeat. Then, we'll stand there while you farm us and turn in the quest repeatedly. Never underestimate people's desire to exploit game mechanics.
Similar thing happened in early seasons of WoW Arenas. You want to get a frost wyrm mount? Make friends with other team, they make a smurf team, queue at 3am, stand there while your team kills them and wins rating. Then you create a smurf team and let them rank up from farming you. Both teams then sit on their rating (by not doing any more arenas during that season) and both get Frost Wyrms.
Same thing happened when Vanilla WoW had the PvP ladder system. People shared their logins and played the same account 24/7 which meant no single human player could actually compete on the ladder as you had to do a month straight of 24/7 pvp. And they just played each other's characters to get GM. And that's why the ladder system was retired.
People also did this in WAR for some event involving PvP requiring killing X number of enemy class and taking objectives. People would log into alts and communicate between both sides trading kills back and forth or both sides standing at objectives not fighting and trading the capture of it back and forth.
It was actually pretty amusing coming up on those groups and just killing everyone on the other side. People would start raging in chat so much over you messing it up.
Originally posted by MikeJezZ How do I level at a apropiate speed? I have used 58 hours into ESO and I am only level 21 ½. I know it is not a rush but I want to be competitive in AvA
Wildstar would be more your game bro.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Originally posted by MikeJezZ How do I level at a apropiate speed? I have used 58 hours into ESO and I am only level 21 ½. I know it is not a rush but I want to be competitive in AvA
Ahem *old man voice* back in my day! We would grind for a week straight for one level! We didn't have these fancy pants quest hubs and frilly rewards around every corner. We had rusty weapons and cloth armor and we liked it!
It doesnt matter if its old guy or young dude. The point is, if you want only measure dick with other, go play CS. The MMORPGs should be about journey and living in virtual world. You should earn things in that worlds. Thats/was (beffore you ppl did screw it up) the point of it. I didnt pay 70 for one week of rush gameplay and then what? Just fucking boring pvp? The pvp should be just something aside, not main content and doesnt matter what you YOUNG and COOL think. There is still more PvE players, PvP guys are just to loud, so it looks like there is more of them.
All the big companies are listening to you cool young or rush pvp ppl and all we have are shitty game, one same like other.
Totally true. The genre has been ruined by the crying and whining of the young and lazy that have grown up wanting everything just given to them and content created so that my 5 year old can farm it. It is about time something came out where a long grind/leveling process is rewarded.
I'm normally a speed leveller but so far my highest char is 17. I just haven't felt the need for speed in this game, seems more relaxed to me especially if I hang around in a zone progressing all my professions and exploring the whole zone. I could have ignored them and raced thru but haven't felt the need for some strange reason. I think it's why I like the game as it's like starting afresh being reborn in a new mmo so to speak so I don't think speed (or lack of it) is a big issue.
I have a feeling they made it slow to level, so they can implement XP vials into their cash shop. It actually makes sense and it's not a bad marketing strategy.
Originally posted by Viadric I have a feeling they made it slow to level, so they can implement XP vials into their cash shop. It actually makes sense and it's not a bad marketing strategy.
Excepte people do like the slow leveling, judging form the forums here at lest half of the players do.
Originally posted by Viadric I have a feeling they made it slow to level, so they can implement XP vials into their cash shop. It actually makes sense and it's not a bad marketing strategy.
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Why is it an abuse if there is such a quest with no limit to the number of times you can take it. It is only an abuse if you do something not allowed but if the game allowed for it to be taken the fact that someone was taking the same quest over and over is not an abuse. ( I would not personally do that as I would go slightly mad but to each his own) . Do not be so quick to label things abuse or exploit when it is not so.
Gear counts. Think of it as a constructive 'whole'. Skills are 50% gear and build are 25% each. Put together a good combo and you have all the edges, ftw.
I haven't done much with my crafter as far as gear sets but I'm making my notes whenever I find one. Not sure if one 3 piece set and one 5 piece set will be better than three 3 piece sets. All depends on which ones I use and how I stack them. (7 pieces of armor, 1 shield and 1 one-handed weapon for 9 pieces)
I love the responses to this question, and it is just a question. It's a very short one and I've read it 10 times to make sure I haven't missed anything. There's no innuendo, no subtle suggestion of discontent, no hateful undertones. The guy just asked how he can level faster and the attack was swift and immediate, "go back to WoW" they say.
I will never understand why people use WoW as an insult. Have they grown to loathe success so much as to prefer to watch their favorite game crash and burn rather than resemble, even slightly, the most successful MMO in the history of the genre. The only major MMO in the last 5 years at least to be able to maintain a subscriber base while all others had to retreat to the also-ran world of F2P?
You know you all played it, you know you all loved playing it, but now you join in the bleating cacophony of WoW haters pretending you didn't in order to use it as a blunt instrument against anyone who even suggests your new favorite game may have even the slightest of flaws.
I'm having a great time (aside from the bugs). I've made it to level 32 after rolling a few alts to try the different classes out. It feels fine to me. I'm enjoying the story and the leveling process. You only level your first character to 50 once. Enjoy the ride. It will be over soon and you will know all the ins and outs of leveling soon.
I've still be able to contribute in pvp. Most other players are not 50 yet. So it depends on what you really mean by "competitive." Don't burn out.
I'm happy with the pace of leveling.
This sounds right to me.
By the way, DMKano, I've started a destro staff DK for pvp after you mentioned it. Any tips for armor and skill set up? What do you use as a secondary weapon?
You can rush any game to end game, ESO included. Lets not forget that the first guy to hit 50 on ESO did it in 17 hours.
And is his account still active? As if I remember correctly there was quite a huge exploit they killed off within 2 days of Early Access.
I assume the People that "obviously" exploited this (and purposly not reported it in Beta to take advantage of in release) got banned!
It wasn't an exploit and people that leveled fast didn't get banned.
It was removed from the game. They were taking the "kill 20 foes" in cyrodil quest over and over and over. It's now restricted to once a day. And, yes, I'd count that as an abuse of the game mechanisms (e.g. a path to level 50 in hours, involving being part of a group, and something that you could get credit for without raising a finger.)
Actually, you're wrong. But that was another way that people could level pretty fast.
How can dude be wrong and right at the same time?
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
If I tell someone to go back to WoW I don't mean it as an insult. I simply mean that if you are looking for what WoW offers then you should play WoW, and not try to turn every other game you play into it. That just destroys other games. The fact is that the people who want to be playing WoW are playing WoW. By copying that game you have ensured that most of your potential base is already playing a different, more popular game that they already have time invested in, and that the customers that are looking for a game won't like what you are offering because if they were looking for those features they would be playing the game that is already out that offers those features (WoW).
I meant about the abuse. There was no abuse involved in it.
One of my favorite things about this game is the slow leveling process. So many new MMO's feel the need to rush you to "endgame" and have you blow through each zone at break neck speed where you don't even get to truly enjoy these beautiful zones the devs have created ie Guildwars2 Im looking at you.
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Not really. It isn't a non-factor, but it is not a huge factor as in say a game like WoW where generally level and gear = auto win.
In a way it's kind of more along the lines of something like Darkfall. Having better gear can give you an edge, but doesnt make you OP compared to everyone else. Like say 2 people with similar builds & of equal skill going against eachother, the gear may decide the fight. But unlike a lot of gear dependent games, if you're a shitty player a good player who is lower level and in lesser gear will still kick the shit out of you. Thats kind of how it worked in DF. You had people who crutched on good stats & gear to make them seem good, only to have someone on an undeveloped character in nothing but low end gear come gank them with ease.
The abuse wasn't that players were repeatedly doing the quest. That was the original intention.
The abuse was collusion through "win trading." As in, make friends with a guild on opposite faction, agree to exploit the game by trading quest completion repeatedly. We pick up the quest, you stand there and let us kill you, then we turn in quest. Rinse and repeat. Then, we'll stand there while you farm us and turn in the quest repeatedly. Never underestimate people's desire to exploit game mechanics.
Similar thing happened in early seasons of WoW Arenas. You want to get a frost wyrm mount? Make friends with other team, they make a smurf team, queue at 3am, stand there while your team kills them and wins rating. Then you create a smurf team and let them rank up from farming you. Both teams then sit on their rating (by not doing any more arenas during that season) and both get Frost Wyrms.
Same thing happened when Vanilla WoW had the PvP ladder system. People shared their logins and played the same account 24/7 which meant no single human player could actually compete on the ladder as you had to do a month straight of 24/7 pvp. And they just played each other's characters to get GM. And that's why the ladder system was retired.
People also did this in WAR for some event involving PvP requiring killing X number of enemy class and taking objectives. People would log into alts and communicate between both sides trading kills back and forth or both sides standing at objectives not fighting and trading the capture of it back and forth.
It was actually pretty amusing coming up on those groups and just killing everyone on the other side. People would start raging in chat so much over you messing it up.
I wish it were slower, but they did a nice job of finding a happy medium between old school grind and modern day max-level-in-1-day.
Just something to help the youngin's put this in perspective. 2000. Everquest 1. level 60 = 112 IN GAME days played. That's right. 112.
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Wildstar would be more your game bro.
Totally true. The genre has been ruined by the crying and whining of the young and lazy that have grown up wanting everything just given to them and content created so that my 5 year old can farm it. It is about time something came out where a long grind/leveling process is rewarded.
No more ILVL and LFR, Thank the Lord!
And there's a ton of games that cater to them . . . there's nothing stopping them from playing those games.
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Excepte people do like the slow leveling, judging form the forums here at lest half of the players do.
Here we go...
Yeah... Isn't it great!!!