However, there is plenty of PvP and PvE available to justify the monthly fee.
The game is good enough to subscribe to for the first 3 months and see for yourself.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I have been looking at info about ESO for a while and checked out Reddit, this site, and even the official Elder Scrolls Online forums.
While most official reviews and previews claim that there are no issues, other players are complaining about bots, hackers, and spammers. Then I found another site. Mmogfails, and it slams ESO pretty bad.
It links to a lot of quest bugs that halt progress, and uses complaints from Reddit and the official forums to support arguments, making them seem pretty well informed.
Now I have been a huge Oblivion and Skyrim fan and want to continue my adventure in ESO. Are there really as many issues as Mmogfails says? Are there bugs that wipe inventories, remove bank slots, halt progression, and get you stuck; or is it more along the lines of launch problems that most MMO's have?
OP, I love the game. Yes, there are bugs. Yes, there have been customer service issues, but I'm having a ton of fun. Even though it is a themepark, they've done a good job of not hand holding you through the zones. If you only do the character story quest line and the alliance story quest line, you'll only run into about 1/3 of the content in each zone. You need to get off the beaten path to find all of the quests, public dungeons, instanced dungeons, world bosses, dark anchors, dark fissures, lorebooks, skyshards, special crafting areas, mundus stones, etc..
So, is the game worth the price of admission? To me, yes. Absolutely. I love the PVE, I love the PVP and I love the crafting. Is this game worth it for you? Well, only you can decide. If you really want to play and you have the discretionary funds, give a try for a month and see what you think.
Should you buy the game? The question is answered only by you. Can you afford it? etc...
Myself, I am really enjoying the game. I am a little bewildered by the choices, and enjoy all the classes. It was well worth my money. I would recommend getting it, but again, only you can decide that.
Ask yourself this are you a gamer? Did you enjoy the other Elder Scrolls games you play? Then why not give it a try. I have had a lot of fun in this game and I'm only at Vet2 with probably another 150 hours of questing in front of me. Yes there have been bugs. People have been spoiled lately with games launching with minor bugs. For me I can remember the days of SWG and patching almost daily. Bugs do not bother me and for the most part they have squashed many of the quest bugs that exsisted. For me the things I like are:
Detail of the world that was crafted
Crafting many variations of armor and weapons (sets for each race), special crafting areas with set bonuses
questing is done well so that it doesn't feel like a grind
Cutscense are great
Combat system while it isn't perfect is a nice change from the norm and gives you choices to make
Skyshards
Lockpicking
Treasure Maps
There are many different ways to build your character
PVP zone feels Epic in size. Why some complain of zergs there are many solo and small group battles to be had.
This opinion is coming from someone who is not loyal to any brand, nor a fanboy.
I am nearly level 40 in ESO. In my time I have come across 2 quest bugs (I had to wait for one, and use /reloadui for the other), no bank issues, a couple of lag issues (rare), and been disconnected maybe 3-5 times total since 5 day early start.
The people experiencing these bugs are a very, very small minority. Exceptionally small actually. While in game it is rare to here anyone bring up these issues. I am not exaggerating when I say its rare.
As for bots, I have only seen one my entire time playing. Just some guy waiting for an ore node to respawn. That was it. I have had no issues with ANY of the dungeons being camped. Not once. In fact, when there are people there I am sometimes thankful as it makes my life much easier.
I am a loner in most games, but in this game I have already made a few friends just due to the nature of the game. While the quests are solo orientated like Skyrim and the games before, there is plenty to bring people together.
I am actually enjoying the crafting which is something I haven't been able to say for over 10 years. I am also enjoying the exploring, random dungeons I find, and all the hidden treasures. Sometimes I just wander around looking for neat things. Some of the neat things you find don't really do anything for you, but its interesting that they were made. For instance, I found a grave site with a sad dog guarding the one grave. Nothing to do there, nothing to interact with, but it was cool none the less.
I hope this helps!
i feel the same way
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I have been looking at info about ESO for a while and checked out Reddit, this site, and even the official Elder Scrolls Online forums.
While most official reviews and previews claim that there are no issues, other players are complaining about bots, hackers, and spammers. Then I found another site. Mmogfails, and it slams ESO pretty bad.
It links to a lot of quest bugs that halt progress, and uses complaints from Reddit and the official forums to support arguments, making them seem pretty well informed.
Now I have been a huge Oblivion and Skyrim fan and want to continue my adventure in ESO. Are there really as many issues as Mmogfails says? Are there bugs that wipe inventories, remove bank slots, halt progression, and get you stuck; or is it more along the lines of launch problems that most MMO's have?
Go play Daggerfall or Morrowind, one is like 5 dollars, the other is free. If you really like Elder Scrolls, they are the most true to the series and they have the most content. Your problem has been solved.
Daggerfall looks terrible. I simply can't bring myself to try it out. Yes, I am a graphics snob. Sorry.
I am also waiting on a few mods that bring Morrowind into the Skyrim or Oblivion engine. Morrowind looks ok, but I would rather play it in a purtier engine.
That basically means you're sacrificing story, lore, and gameplay for pretty.....So if you do happen to play ESO and find it incredibly droll, and soulless, and lacking humor and individuality...And seeming very same-y and comparable to every other piece of fantasy drivel out there....Well....You chose it really.
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As someone who is currently stuck in one of the worst bugs currently, it's a great game.
If you don't choose Aldmeri Dominion you will avoid the 2 worst bugged quests just fyi. And one bug you can avoid by talking to the spectral image of the quest npc as soon as he pops up (after completion of lvl 45 harborage quest).
Other than that, most bugs are small and minor irritations. I would personally be careful with addons (esp banking/guild store related ones) but most people are playing happily and having a great time.
there is a simple rule: if you can't handle mmo starts, dont play em.
major bugs and they can't log in? seriously, be more dramatic.
being one of those "few" people that CAN play let me rephrase it for you: THERE ARE NO MAJOR BUGS.
concerning bots: i saw 3 yesterday, they were camping a rather less killed public dungeon boss. but hey, if you know how to bug those bosses, those bots just stand there *G*
as general hint to the OPs: if someone claims ESO will go f2p soon, don't bother bout him or his comments. trolls gonna troll.
and no, the "official forums" are not "lying", they are a bunch of whiney kids raging at every useless shit. plain and simple.
and seriously, if me preposter thinks this game has nothing substential, i wonder what he conciders substential. most likely a 40 men raid with heavy item grind ^^
No major bugs huh? Losing all your bank slots and everything inthem isnt a bug? Wellmaybe not might be a database issues, but semantics. Its been going on since day one and they havent figured it out yet.
Broken quest chain that stops people from advancing whatsoever. Not a major bug?
Having to download the complete game after a patch? Not a major bug?
The invisible teleporting bots? Not a major bug. Maybe not but theyre exploiting something in the game that is broken.
That doesnt include all the other 'little' issues/bugs. Like DCs after 5 minute loading screens, unable to log in at all for some people, the dozens of broken or bugged quests that may or may not work if you want to type 'reloadui' a few dozen times, falling through the world, lag DCs (especially in Cyrodiil ), broken werewolf 'class', horse dismount, phasing in group not working (still), and the list could go on but I think people get the point.
I have an idea that 4 AM eastern time the game might run perfectly for some people. But that surely isnt a great indicator of whether the game is actually working properly. The sheer volume and variety of issues posted in the official forums is staggering and 3 to 5 hundred new ones come in every day. There have also been 3 patches now and I have yet to see anyone claim that the issues those patches were supposed to fix actually fixed anything, and as cited those patches tend to have caused more problems.
there is a simple rule: if you can't handle mmo starts, dont play em.
major bugs and they can't log in? seriously, be more dramatic.
being one of those "few" people that CAN play let me rephrase it for you: THERE ARE NO MAJOR BUGS.
concerning bots: i saw 3 yesterday, they were camping a rather less killed public dungeon boss. but hey, if you know how to bug those bosses, those bots just stand there *G*
as general hint to the OPs: if someone claims ESO will go f2p soon, don't bother bout him or his comments. trolls gonna troll.
and no, the "official forums" are not "lying", they are a bunch of whiney kids raging at every useless shit. plain and simple.
and seriously, if me preposter thinks this game has nothing substential, i wonder what he conciders substential. most likely a 40 men raid with heavy item grind ^^
No major bugs huh? Losing all your bank slots and everything inthem isnt a bug? Wellmaybe not might be a database issues, but semantics. Its been going on since day one and they havent figured it out yet.
Broken quest chain that stops people from advancing whatsoever. Not a major bug?
Having to download the complete game after a patch? Not a major bug?
The invisible teleporting bots? Not a major bug. Maybe not but theyre exploiting something in the game that is broken.
That doesnt include all the other 'little' issues/bugs. Like DCs after 5 minute loading screens, unable to log in at all for some people, the dozens of broken or bugged quests that may or may not work if you want to type 'reloadui' a few dozen times, falling through the world, lag DCs (especially in Cyrodiil ), broken werewolf 'class', horse dismount, phasing in group not working (still), and the list could go on but I think people get the point.
I have an idea that 4 AM eastern time the game might run perfectly for some people. But that surely isnt a great indicator of whether the game is actually working properly. The sheer volume and variety of issues posted in the official forums is staggering and 3 to 5 hundred new ones come in every day. There have also been 3 patches now and I have yet to see anyone claim that the issues those patches were supposed to fix actually fixed anything, and as cited those patches tend to have caused more problems.
If you're an ES fan you'll probably like this game a lot and I'd recommend it highly. There are people here who don't play the game at all and spend a lot of time talking it down. I have no idea why they find this an enjoyable pastime, but keep in mind that this game seems to have dedicated outsiders who utterly hate it.
If you listen to and read the quests (they're fully voiced), read the lore, and so on you'll feel right at home in the ES universe. If you ignore the quests and click through them to get from A to B, you'll not enjoy them. The claims of massive bugs are just not correct. For example, there is a thread on the official forums about problems with banks, where they asked everyone with a ticket to post there (because the issue involves manually checking the database.) There are ~1,000 replies there, including a lot of discussion and multiple posts. This tells me that it's significant for them, but not common at all - as there are anywhere from 250K (minimum physical sales) to 5 million (beta numbers) playing the game. Crafting is a blast, the environments are gorgeous, and there is as much to do here (or more) than there was in a typical SP ES game. If nothing else, you'd be able to spend as much time going through the quests and leveling up as you could in vanilla Sykrim or Oblivion, and for someone like me that's 3-4 months of solid gaming. I have ~50 hours in on my main character, who is level 24 and less than halfway though one of the three alliance lines.
if you haven't bought it yet i say wait. it's definitely not worth the money at present. I'm not a hater, i play and plan to play but I resent having to put up with all the broken things about this game and can't recommend it to anyone. trust me if you buy it and play for more than a week you will understand what i am saying.
there is a simple rule: if you can't handle mmo starts, dont play em.
major bugs and they can't log in? seriously, be more dramatic.
being one of those "few" people that CAN play let me rephrase it for you: THERE ARE NO MAJOR BUGS.
concerning bots: i saw 3 yesterday, they were camping a rather less killed public dungeon boss. but hey, if you know how to bug those bosses, those bots just stand there *G*
as general hint to the OPs: if someone claims ESO will go f2p soon, don't bother bout him or his comments. trolls gonna troll.
and no, the "official forums" are not "lying", they are a bunch of whiney kids raging at every useless shit. plain and simple.
and seriously, if me preposter thinks this game has nothing substential, i wonder what he conciders substential. most likely a 40 men raid with heavy item grind ^^
No major bugs huh? Losing all your bank slots and everything inthem isnt a bug? Wellmaybe not might be a database issues, but semantics. Its been going on since day one and they havent figured it out yet.
Broken quest chain that stops people from advancing whatsoever. Not a major bug?
Having to download the complete game after a patch? Not a major bug?
The invisible teleporting bots? Not a major bug. Maybe not but theyre exploiting something in the game that is broken.
That doesnt include all the other 'little' issues/bugs. Like DCs after 5 minute loading screens, unable to log in at all for some people, the dozens of broken or bugged quests that may or may not work if you want to type 'reloadui' a few dozen times, falling through the world, lag DCs (especially in Cyrodiil ), broken werewolf 'class', horse dismount, phasing in group not working (still), and the list could go on but I think people get the point.
I have an idea that 4 AM eastern time the game might run perfectly for some people. But that surely isnt a great indicator of whether the game is actually working properly. The sheer volume and variety of issues posted in the official forums is staggering and 3 to 5 hundred new ones come in every day. There have also been 3 patches now and I have yet to see anyone claim that the issues those patches were supposed to fix actually fixed anything, and as cited those patches tend to have caused more problems.
Ugh Oh. Your post is making me a bit worried.
There was a bank bug, although it did not (contrary to his claims) impact a large fraction of players. The main complaint thread (where they asked players to post unresolved ticket number for manual handling) involves hundreds of players, not hundreds of thousands of players. And the claim that items were always lost is, again, untrue - happened to a guild member and his items just ended up deposited in the bags of his characters. The claim about the patches fixing nothing is a simple lie - quest bugs have clearly been dramatically improved on in the time I've seen the game. So you have someone breathlessly talking about quest bugs and ignoring the fact that the most significant ones have been fixed. What does that say about their credibility? The poster in question is just accumulating negative things without playing the game at all. That's why he doesn't know what the patches have done or what impact they have. I have had *none* of thse issues happen to me - maybe because I'm using the default UI, which is fine by me, and no addons. So take that into consideration.
I have been looking at info about ESO for a while and checked out Reddit, this site, and even the official Elder Scrolls Online forums.
While most official reviews and previews claim that there are no issues, other players are complaining about bots, hackers, and spammers. Then I found another site. Mmogfails, and it slams ESO pretty bad.
It links to a lot of quest bugs that halt progress, and uses complaints from Reddit and the official forums to support arguments, making them seem pretty well informed.
Now I have been a huge Oblivion and Skyrim fan and want to continue my adventure in ESO. Are there really as many issues as Mmogfails says? Are there bugs that wipe inventories, remove bank slots, halt progression, and get you stuck; or is it more along the lines of launch problems that most MMO's have?
Edit:
Originally posted by stickman1979
Thanks all!
I like GW 2 so GW 2 with a TES skin sounds good.
Just purchased the base game and explorer pack for about $40. I love G2A.
Downloading as I type this.
Thanks for all the advice people.
I would wait till they iron out some rough spots in this game, OP. As others have said, I would check into the game after May when their first big patch hits.
I have encountered the following so far while I have played:
Phasing Bugs
Losing bank slots
Infinite load screens
Getting stuck in a rock by walking through it... and then having it launch me from side of Stonefall to the other side ( I'll admit.. this one had me chuckling and I enjoyed it. )
I have guildmates who have lost about 60 bank slots including the items that they had in it... Zenimax addressed all these issues.. its just a matter of waiting for them to fix them.
There are definitely bots all over the place, especially in public dungeons farming shards and gear. There are also gold spammers everywhere but you can /ignore them and report them. You will even receive spam mail by gold sellers and gold spam guild invites. Its pretty annoying but its nothing new to MMO's.
there is a simple rule: if you can't handle mmo starts, dont play em.
major bugs and they can't log in? seriously, be more dramatic.
being one of those "few" people that CAN play let me rephrase it for you: THERE ARE NO MAJOR BUGS.
concerning bots: i saw 3 yesterday, they were camping a rather less killed public dungeon boss. but hey, if you know how to bug those bosses, those bots just stand there *G*
as general hint to the OPs: if someone claims ESO will go f2p soon, don't bother bout him or his comments. trolls gonna troll.
and no, the "official forums" are not "lying", they are a bunch of whiney kids raging at every useless shit. plain and simple.
and seriously, if me preposter thinks this game has nothing substential, i wonder what he conciders substential. most likely a 40 men raid with heavy item grind ^^
No major bugs huh? Losing all your bank slots and everything inthem isnt a bug? Wellmaybe not might be a database issues, but semantics. Its been going on since day one and they havent figured it out yet.
Broken quest chain that stops people from advancing whatsoever. Not a major bug?
Having to download the complete game after a patch? Not a major bug?
The invisible teleporting bots? Not a major bug. Maybe not but theyre exploiting something in the game that is broken.
That doesnt include all the other 'little' issues/bugs. Like DCs after 5 minute loading screens, unable to log in at all for some people, the dozens of broken or bugged quests that may or may not work if you want to type 'reloadui' a few dozen times, falling through the world, lag DCs (especially in Cyrodiil ), broken werewolf 'class', horse dismount, phasing in group not working (still), and the list could go on but I think people get the point.
I have an idea that 4 AM eastern time the game might run perfectly for some people. But that surely isnt a great indicator of whether the game is actually working properly. The sheer volume and variety of issues posted in the official forums is staggering and 3 to 5 hundred new ones come in every day. There have also been 3 patches now and I have yet to see anyone claim that the issues those patches were supposed to fix actually fixed anything, and as cited those patches tend to have caused more problems.
Ugh Oh. Your post is making me a bit worried.
Just click on his/her name, read his post history and make your own decision to the validity of his/her post's. Rodarin definitely seems to have an infatuation with ESO on these forums.
To OP, best way to get an informed opinion is to watch a video review from someone who loves the game, then someone who hates the game, then middle of the ground. After that you can make up your own mind.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom To OP, best way to get an informed opinion is to watch a video review from someone who loves the game, then someone who hates the game, then middle of the ground. After that you can make up your own mind.
To amend this:
If you are going to take people's opinions into consideration, please make sure that the person giving the opinion has actually spent time playing the game. People who don't like this type of game clearly won't like it and that renders their opinion meaningless.
For example, I hate fish. Would you then come to me to tell you which sushi to order for lunch? I hope not.
So if someone hates the game after actually playing it, they're more than welcome to hate it, and their opinion is valid. *note - be wary of people who played beta and made it to level 3 claiming how horrid the game is and talking about bugs.
Just click on his/her name, read his post history and make your own decision to the validity of his/her post's. Rodarin definitely seems to have an infatuation with ESO on these forums.
Weird how some people that hate a game and don't actually play it tend post several times more than the "fanboys". Hmmm.
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Originally posted by Random_mage I have played worse. World feels expansive. Questing is streamlined, although repetitive. Feels like skyrim, but with more people.
Yet the many Skyrim fans hate it, but when Skyrim came out many Elder Scrolls fans hated it because it was a "dumbed down adventure game" rather than a traditional ES rpg.
There is no way they could have made everyone happy. Hell even the PC Gamer("professional reviewer") review was littered with "because it's not like Skyrim" comments.
Then you figure that Skyrim came out at the end of 2011 and was in development for a few years and this game was in development for several years so their developments would have overlapped. Basically, the most recent ES when they started developing ESO would have been Oblivion which had moderate success but was no where near as mainstream as Skyrim. It would definitely be interesting to see how well received ESO would have been if it came out between Oblivion and Skyrim.
This is my favorite MMO for me since lord of the rings online because I love the exploration, the artistry, the RPG aspect, skill variations and endless combinations of character advancement. I also love there are so many different ways to level and the amount of available PVE content is huge.
if you are a fan, people are going to say yes. If you are not, those are going to say no. You need to make up your own mind.
Originally posted by keithian if you are a fan, people are going to say yes. If you are not, those are going to say no. You need to make up your own mind.
pretty much this.
and coming to these forums for an honest opinion? LOL
here's my advice, never ever come to these forums asking for advice about any mmo. if i made decisions about mmo's based on peoples opinions here i wouldn't play any of them.
Originally posted by steuss Yes. It is worth the money. People enjoying the game are rarely wasting time posting on the forums.
+1.
Sure, Elder Scrolls Online has it's share of growing pains as a newly released title, but I recall EverQuest being down for days at a time to resolve major crash bugs and connectivity issues, especially after a new expansion.
"Vanilla" WoW had a ton of issues after its release, with server downtimes being refunded back to the players in the form of subscription extensions, not to mention the massive lag spikes that plagued the game in the first several months.
If you really wanted to dig around on this site, and I'll admit, even in some of my own postings, many of us are guilty of slamming on the latest "AAA" title because it didn't meet our personal expectations.
There are quite a few here that get caught up in a sort of "Lemmings" mindset. They follow the 'Hate Pack' without even knowing what they are talking about. They fictionalize an alleged negative scenario they supposedly experienced based upon an amalgamation of negative information they gleaned from other forum posts. You can usually detect them by their claims to have played "X" and "Y", and then they slip up by admitting they cancelled their pre-orders... meaning they only played a beta weekend or two, and maybe cheated by using the Early Access time they received a code for via e-mail. That in itself doesn't even make sense if they hated the game so much.
If they stopped playing before that, then they never even got to see all of the game content to make solid judgment, they probably exploited the repeatable Cyrodiil PvP quest to power level, then grew bored because that was all they wanted out of the experience, and that means their character may have reached a "Character Level" of 50, but that doesn't indicate how many 'Skill Levels' they unlocked in the various skill lines, such as Class, Weapon, Armor, "Guild" (Fighter's, Mage's, Undaunted), Racial, World, and Craft.
All of those skill lines are made up of several more specific skill lines that level through usage/conscious effort, and no matter which class you choose, most of the other skill lines are customized through your own personal preference and play style. You can choose the Sorcerer 'Class' yet still choose to use Heavy Armor and wield a Two-Handed Sword or Hammer if you so choose. Or you can use a 'Restoration' Staff and unlock healing abilities to compliment your damage spells. Regular use of Restoration spells will level the overall Restoration skill line even more, unlocking even more sub-skills in that set. This is just a small example of what you get through your personalized experience while playing, depending on the choices you make with your skill points., and YES, they can be reset at specified Shrines if you aren't happy with your choices.
This is not to say that some positive feedback doesn't go a little overboard though. Elder Scrolls Online is going to be experiencing some growing pains for a while yet. It's an ambitious title with a lot of features, and they weren't all ironed out and executed bug-free at release. However, it's difficult to filter what's truly legitimate from what is overly exaggerated praise sometimes, primarily because some of the bugs and in-game issues are not consistent, and not everyone is affected by them.
There are definitely bugs and progression-stopping issues in the game, but at least in my personal experience, they usually happen far and few between, and only to a handful of quests. I have often been able to fix them by either using /reloadui, or by logging out and back in to the game. On rare occasion it's a server-side issue where something won't respawn. At that point, you just need to move on and come back to it later.
Overall, the game has been amazing for me, and it really caters to my Bartle Test "Explorer" mindset. You could choose to wait, but I think you'll enjoy yourself if you choose to take the plunge. If aesthetics are a big deal for you, then the game environments and creature graphics will not disappoint (although lower level armor and weapons are boring as all Hell). There are some issues I have with the limited UI and the lack of an Auction House/Market, and for some folks that's a show-stopper.
I'd prefer to see goods offered through a more opened up Auction House/Market system, but I think the current system was implemented to catch farming bots/RMT currency sellers, because a lot of loot of various quality can be obtained just by exploring and killing trash mobs (unlike a lot of other MMORPGs currently on the market), and craft materials are found by exploring the map and discovering where their spawn points are. The selling of goods is currently handled through Guild Stores, and you can join up to five (5) Guilds. because of the Store feature, many Guilds are regularly recruiting, so you shouldn't have a hard time finding a place to sell your wares.
My personal vote would be; Buy it. I feel there are far more positives than negatives in ESO, and this is coming from someone that was originally jaded toward a negative perspective by the first impressions I got from ESO's early press releases and mediocre quality screen shots, not to mention jaded by the MMO genre as a whole. I feel like this is the first MMORPG in a long while that actually has some legs, and it just might go far.
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I don't play P2P games.
However, there is plenty of PvP and PvE available to justify the monthly fee.
The game is good enough to subscribe to for the first 3 months and see for yourself.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
OP, I love the game. Yes, there are bugs. Yes, there have been customer service issues, but I'm having a ton of fun. Even though it is a themepark, they've done a good job of not hand holding you through the zones. If you only do the character story quest line and the alliance story quest line, you'll only run into about 1/3 of the content in each zone. You need to get off the beaten path to find all of the quests, public dungeons, instanced dungeons, world bosses, dark anchors, dark fissures, lorebooks, skyshards, special crafting areas, mundus stones, etc..
So, is the game worth the price of admission? To me, yes. Absolutely. I love the PVE, I love the PVP and I love the crafting. Is this game worth it for you? Well, only you can decide. If you really want to play and you have the discretionary funds, give a try for a month and see what you think.
Man there are some haters in this thread.
Should you buy the game? The question is answered only by you. Can you afford it? etc...
Myself, I am really enjoying the game. I am a little bewildered by the choices, and enjoy all the classes. It was well worth my money. I would recommend getting it, but again, only you can decide that.
Ask yourself this are you a gamer? Did you enjoy the other Elder Scrolls games you play? Then why not give it a try. I have had a lot of fun in this game and I'm only at Vet2 with probably another 150 hours of questing in front of me. Yes there have been bugs. People have been spoiled lately with games launching with minor bugs. For me I can remember the days of SWG and patching almost daily. Bugs do not bother me and for the most part they have squashed many of the quest bugs that exsisted. For me the things I like are:
Detail of the world that was crafted
Crafting many variations of armor and weapons (sets for each race), special crafting areas with set bonuses
questing is done well so that it doesn't feel like a grind
Cutscense are great
Combat system while it isn't perfect is a nice change from the norm and gives you choices to make
Skyshards
Lockpicking
Treasure Maps
There are many different ways to build your character
PVP zone feels Epic in size. Why some complain of zergs there are many solo and small group battles to be had.
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i feel the same way
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
That basically means you're sacrificing story, lore, and gameplay for pretty.....So if you do happen to play ESO and find it incredibly droll, and soulless, and lacking humor and individuality...And seeming very same-y and comparable to every other piece of fantasy drivel out there....Well....You chose it really.
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As someone who is currently stuck in one of the worst bugs currently, it's a great game.
If you don't choose Aldmeri Dominion you will avoid the 2 worst bugged quests just fyi. And one bug you can avoid by talking to the spectral image of the quest npc as soon as he pops up (after completion of lvl 45 harborage quest).
Other than that, most bugs are small and minor irritations. I would personally be careful with addons (esp banking/guild store related ones) but most people are playing happily and having a great time.
No major bugs huh? Losing all your bank slots and everything inthem isnt a bug? Wellmaybe not might be a database issues, but semantics. Its been going on since day one and they havent figured it out yet.
Broken quest chain that stops people from advancing whatsoever. Not a major bug?
Having to download the complete game after a patch? Not a major bug?
The invisible teleporting bots? Not a major bug. Maybe not but theyre exploiting something in the game that is broken.
That doesnt include all the other 'little' issues/bugs. Like DCs after 5 minute loading screens, unable to log in at all for some people, the dozens of broken or bugged quests that may or may not work if you want to type 'reloadui' a few dozen times, falling through the world, lag DCs (especially in Cyrodiil ), broken werewolf 'class', horse dismount, phasing in group not working (still), and the list could go on but I think people get the point.
I have an idea that 4 AM eastern time the game might run perfectly for some people. But that surely isnt a great indicator of whether the game is actually working properly. The sheer volume and variety of issues posted in the official forums is staggering and 3 to 5 hundred new ones come in every day. There have also been 3 patches now and I have yet to see anyone claim that the issues those patches were supposed to fix actually fixed anything, and as cited those patches tend to have caused more problems.
Ugh Oh. Your post is making me a bit worried.
If you're an ES fan you'll probably like this game a lot and I'd recommend it highly. There are people here who don't play the game at all and spend a lot of time talking it down. I have no idea why they find this an enjoyable pastime, but keep in mind that this game seems to have dedicated outsiders who utterly hate it.
If you listen to and read the quests (they're fully voiced), read the lore, and so on you'll feel right at home in the ES universe. If you ignore the quests and click through them to get from A to B, you'll not enjoy them. The claims of massive bugs are just not correct. For example, there is a thread on the official forums about problems with banks, where they asked everyone with a ticket to post there (because the issue involves manually checking the database.) There are ~1,000 replies there, including a lot of discussion and multiple posts. This tells me that it's significant for them, but not common at all - as there are anywhere from 250K (minimum physical sales) to 5 million (beta numbers) playing the game. Crafting is a blast, the environments are gorgeous, and there is as much to do here (or more) than there was in a typical SP ES game. If nothing else, you'd be able to spend as much time going through the quests and leveling up as you could in vanilla Sykrim or Oblivion, and for someone like me that's 3-4 months of solid gaming. I have ~50 hours in on my main character, who is level 24 and less than halfway though one of the three alliance lines.
There was a bank bug, although it did not (contrary to his claims) impact a large fraction of players. The main complaint thread (where they asked players to post unresolved ticket number for manual handling) involves hundreds of players, not hundreds of thousands of players. And the claim that items were always lost is, again, untrue - happened to a guild member and his items just ended up deposited in the bags of his characters. The claim about the patches fixing nothing is a simple lie - quest bugs have clearly been dramatically improved on in the time I've seen the game. So you have someone breathlessly talking about quest bugs and ignoring the fact that the most significant ones have been fixed. What does that say about their credibility? The poster in question is just accumulating negative things without playing the game at all. That's why he doesn't know what the patches have done or what impact they have. I have had *none* of thse issues happen to me - maybe because I'm using the default UI, which is fine by me, and no addons. So take that into consideration.
I would wait till they iron out some rough spots in this game, OP. As others have said, I would check into the game after May when their first big patch hits.
I have encountered the following so far while I have played:
Phasing Bugs
Losing bank slots
Infinite load screens
Getting stuck in a rock by walking through it... and then having it launch me from side of Stonefall to the other side ( I'll admit.. this one had me chuckling and I enjoyed it. )
I have guildmates who have lost about 60 bank slots including the items that they had in it... Zenimax addressed all these issues.. its just a matter of waiting for them to fix them.
There are definitely bots all over the place, especially in public dungeons farming shards and gear. There are also gold spammers everywhere but you can /ignore them and report them. You will even receive spam mail by gold sellers and gold spam guild invites. Its pretty annoying but its nothing new to MMO's.
Just click on his/her name, read his post history and make your own decision to the validity of his/her post's. Rodarin definitely seems to have an infatuation with ESO on these forums.
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To amend this:
If you are going to take people's opinions into consideration, please make sure that the person giving the opinion has actually spent time playing the game. People who don't like this type of game clearly won't like it and that renders their opinion meaningless.
For example, I hate fish. Would you then come to me to tell you which sushi to order for lunch? I hope not.
So if someone hates the game after actually playing it, they're more than welcome to hate it, and their opinion is valid. *note - be wary of people who played beta and made it to level 3 claiming how horrid the game is and talking about bugs.
Weird how some people that hate a game and don't actually play it tend post several times more than the "fanboys". Hmmm.
Heard good and bad about the game.. More good though.
Its one of those things where its all about what your gaming style is.
Mine involves End Game Raiding, so ESO isn't for me, but doesn't mean its a bad game.
You have to judge for yourself.
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Yep but when has something as petty as facts have ever stopped anyone in this site when a good hater/fanboy argument is going on...
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World feels expansive. Questing is streamlined, although repetitive. Feels like skyrim, but with more people.
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Yet the many Skyrim fans hate it, but when Skyrim came out many Elder Scrolls fans hated it because it was a "dumbed down adventure game" rather than a traditional ES rpg.
There is no way they could have made everyone happy. Hell even the PC Gamer("professional reviewer") review was littered with "because it's not like Skyrim" comments.
Then you figure that Skyrim came out at the end of 2011 and was in development for a few years and this game was in development for several years so their developments would have overlapped. Basically, the most recent ES when they started developing ESO would have been Oblivion which had moderate success but was no where near as mainstream as Skyrim. It would definitely be interesting to see how well received ESO would have been if it came out between Oblivion and Skyrim.
Sorry I'm bored at work and rambling.
This is my favorite MMO for me since lord of the rings online because I love the exploration, the artistry, the RPG aspect, skill variations and endless combinations of character advancement. I also love there are so many different ways to level and the amount of available PVE content is huge.
if you are a fan, people are going to say yes. If you are not, those are going to say no. You need to make up your own mind.
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pretty much this.
and coming to these forums for an honest opinion? LOL
here's my advice, never ever come to these forums asking for advice about any mmo. if i made decisions about mmo's based on peoples opinions here i wouldn't play any of them.
+1.
Sure, Elder Scrolls Online has it's share of growing pains as a newly released title, but I recall EverQuest being down for days at a time to resolve major crash bugs and connectivity issues, especially after a new expansion.
"Vanilla" WoW had a ton of issues after its release, with server downtimes being refunded back to the players in the form of subscription extensions, not to mention the massive lag spikes that plagued the game in the first several months.
If you really wanted to dig around on this site, and I'll admit, even in some of my own postings, many of us are guilty of slamming on the latest "AAA" title because it didn't meet our personal expectations.
There are quite a few here that get caught up in a sort of "Lemmings" mindset. They follow the 'Hate Pack' without even knowing what they are talking about. They fictionalize an alleged negative scenario they supposedly experienced based upon an amalgamation of negative information they gleaned from other forum posts. You can usually detect them by their claims to have played "X" and "Y", and then they slip up by admitting they cancelled their pre-orders... meaning they only played a beta weekend or two, and maybe cheated by using the Early Access time they received a code for via e-mail. That in itself doesn't even make sense if they hated the game so much.
If they stopped playing before that, then they never even got to see all of the game content to make solid judgment, they probably exploited the repeatable Cyrodiil PvP quest to power level, then grew bored because that was all they wanted out of the experience, and that means their character may have reached a "Character Level" of 50, but that doesn't indicate how many 'Skill Levels' they unlocked in the various skill lines, such as Class, Weapon, Armor, "Guild" (Fighter's, Mage's, Undaunted), Racial, World, and Craft.
All of those skill lines are made up of several more specific skill lines that level through usage/conscious effort, and no matter which class you choose, most of the other skill lines are customized through your own personal preference and play style. You can choose the Sorcerer 'Class' yet still choose to use Heavy Armor and wield a Two-Handed Sword or Hammer if you so choose. Or you can use a 'Restoration' Staff and unlock healing abilities to compliment your damage spells. Regular use of Restoration spells will level the overall Restoration skill line even more, unlocking even more sub-skills in that set. This is just a small example of what you get through your personalized experience while playing, depending on the choices you make with your skill points., and YES, they can be reset at specified Shrines if you aren't happy with your choices.
This is not to say that some positive feedback doesn't go a little overboard though. Elder Scrolls Online is going to be experiencing some growing pains for a while yet. It's an ambitious title with a lot of features, and they weren't all ironed out and executed bug-free at release. However, it's difficult to filter what's truly legitimate from what is overly exaggerated praise sometimes, primarily because some of the bugs and in-game issues are not consistent, and not everyone is affected by them.
There are definitely bugs and progression-stopping issues in the game, but at least in my personal experience, they usually happen far and few between, and only to a handful of quests. I have often been able to fix them by either using /reloadui, or by logging out and back in to the game. On rare occasion it's a server-side issue where something won't respawn. At that point, you just need to move on and come back to it later.
Overall, the game has been amazing for me, and it really caters to my Bartle Test "Explorer" mindset. You could choose to wait, but I think you'll enjoy yourself if you choose to take the plunge. If aesthetics are a big deal for you, then the game environments and creature graphics will not disappoint (although lower level armor and weapons are boring as all Hell). There are some issues I have with the limited UI and the lack of an Auction House/Market, and for some folks that's a show-stopper.
I'd prefer to see goods offered through a more opened up Auction House/Market system, but I think the current system was implemented to catch farming bots/RMT currency sellers, because a lot of loot of various quality can be obtained just by exploring and killing trash mobs (unlike a lot of other MMORPGs currently on the market), and craft materials are found by exploring the map and discovering where their spawn points are. The selling of goods is currently handled through Guild Stores, and you can join up to five (5) Guilds. because of the Store feature, many Guilds are regularly recruiting, so you shouldn't have a hard time finding a place to sell your wares.
My personal vote would be; Buy it. I feel there are far more positives than negatives in ESO, and this is coming from someone that was originally jaded toward a negative perspective by the first impressions I got from ESO's early press releases and mediocre quality screen shots, not to mention jaded by the MMO genre as a whole. I feel like this is the first MMORPG in a long while that actually has some legs, and it just might go far.