As if some bugged quests and some duping are reasons enough to quit? If you really like the game you play anyway...no?
Poeople really have a short memory when it comes to releases.
Yes it has gold sellers, dupers, spammers and some quests thats not working at realese. The question you need to ask yourself is still if you enjoy the game?
If you think ranting on MMORPG.com about how unfair things are and ragequitting will help these things get fixed faster you are WRONG.
You say "some duping" but when those "some duping" turn into wrecked economy? Cause, since this is an mmo, the economy matters. As in, it is an integral part of the game. I can deal with buggy quests. It's harder with a mess of an economy and the looming prospect of rollbacks. Frankly I have not experianced a rollback in years. That was a thing 10 years ago, but in recent times I think only Neverwinter resorted to it.
What does the community really know besides somebody has been duping?
If they ban the accounts with obscene ammounts of money and rare items it will be minimal fallout on the economy IMO.
Rare items will turn into bad items as gear progression goes on, so i cant see an issue there?
Will some get away and profit on this? Yes im sure they will...but its still just pixels and it wont help them much in the long run. So why let it bother you? I cant see myself dying more in PvP because of this...... PvE?...does it matter?
All i see is a company struggling at realease because their beta crowd has held back info on dupes until release. Gamebreaking?...i dont think so, its more annoying that i cant play today because they have taken the servers down to fix it.
When it comes to rollbacks its annoying as hell, but if you ragequit because of that ill just laugh. Sorry
"their beta crowd has held back info on dupes until release" Really now...So it is the fault of the players that these dupes exist? It's the fault of the customer that the product does not work as intended? Even though the dupe bugs were reported. Often. Everywhere. Prior to release.
What is your point exactly? Do you want all of us to stop playing to teach them a lesson?
Yes they released the game without it beeing completly finished. Wich developer hasnt done that to start earning money? Every day the game is in production they loose money. Its simple math IMO. I wish things were differently, but they arent.
I do enjoy the game besides the flaws, so ill keep playing.
You however are free to ragequit if you want, but it wont help you or the developer...
Nice deflection on the fact you are bullshitting about the dupe bug being diligently reported in beta.
it was reported, and that fact is well documented. ZOS simply ignored it.
You know the real fans and supporters of this game are not going to quit if they just rollback. I think Zen should do what they did on Caturday Neverwinter rollback. I think it will be worse if they just unban people and let them back in and not fix this. It's going to come back and bite them in the end. Fine you say the 'real players' do not read forums but you all seriously think that this has no effect on a PvP game ? Whatever I guess. I am still going to buy this game just waiting is all hoping things improve.
Originally posted by cheyane You know the real fans and supporters of this game are not going to quit if they just rollback. I think Zen should do what they did on Caturday Neverwinter rollback. I think it will be worse if they just unban people and let them back in and not fix this. It's going to come back and bite them in the end. Fine you say the 'real players' do not read forums but you all seriously think that this has no effect on a PvP game ? Whatever I guess. I am still going to buy this game just waiting is all hoping things improve.
"real fans and supporters" ... that's probably a lot smaller then people think and a lot smaller then what Zenimax wants. Another problem is that the more bugs people find means the delay in content that keeps those "real fans" around.
"their beta crowd has held back info on dupes until release" Really now...So it is the fault of the players that these dupes exist? It's the fault of the customer that the product does not work as intended? Even though the dupe bugs were reported. Often. Everywhere. Prior to release.
This is what the video gaming industry gets now. Only in video games has Beta testing become an absolute joke. Now it's just another way to sell a game before it's complete. The masses aren't in there looking to improve the game. They are in there to find their "avantage" Some have found it.
I've never bought anything from anyone else in this game and I'm closing in on end game...there really isn't an economy in this game due to the ease at which you can make everything yourself, and the difficulty in actually buying things from others (no AH).
The only thing I can see money being useful for is mounts, respecs, and item repair costs.
As if some bugged quests and some duping are reasons enough to quit? If you really like the game you play anyway...no?
Poeople really have a short memory when it comes to releases.
Yes it has gold sellers, dupers, spammers and some quests thats not working at realese. The question you need to ask yourself is still if you enjoy the game?
If you think ranting on MMORPG.com about how unfair things are and ragequitting will help these things get fixed faster you are WRONG.
You say "some duping" but when those "some duping" turn into wrecked economy? Cause, since this is an mmo, the economy matters. As in, it is an integral part of the game. I can deal with buggy quests. It's harder with a mess of an economy and the looming prospect of rollbacks. Frankly I have not experianced a rollback in years. That was a thing 10 years ago, but in recent times I think only Neverwinter resorted to it.
What does the community really know besides somebody has been duping?
If they ban the accounts with obscene ammounts of money and rare items it will be minimal fallout on the economy IMO.
Rare items will turn into bad items as gear progression goes on, so i cant see an issue there?
Will some get away and profit on this? Yes im sure they will...but its still just pixels and it wont help them much in the long run. So why let it bother you? I cant see myself dying more in PvP because of this...... PvE?...does it matter?
All i see is a company struggling at realease because their beta crowd has held back info on dupes until release. Gamebreaking?...i dont think so, its more annoying that i cant play today because they have taken the servers down to fix it.
When it comes to rollbacks its annoying as hell, but if you ragequit because of that ill just laugh. Sorry
"their beta crowd has held back info on dupes until release" Really now...So it is the fault of the players that these dupes exist? It's the fault of the customer that the product does not work as intended? Even though the dupe bugs were reported. Often. Everywhere. Prior to release.
What is your point exactly? Do you want all of us to stop playing to teach them a lesson?
Yes they released the game without it beeing completly finished. Wich developer hasnt done that to start earning money? Every day the game is in production they loose money. Its simple math IMO. I wish things were differently, but they arent.
I do enjoy the game besides the flaws, so ill keep playing.
You however are free to ragequit if you want, but it wont help you or the developer...
Nice deflection on the fact you are bullshitting about the dupe bug being diligently reported in beta.
it was reported, and that fact is well documented. ZOS simply ignored it.
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Nice deflection on the fact you are bullshitting about the dupe bug being diligently reported in beta.
it was reported, and that fact is well documented. ZOS simply ignored it.
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I'm not sure why you're so adamantly casting doubt on this, but suffice it to say that it's the fault of the developer in any case. Their responsibility (this applies across IT and not just to gaming entertainment) is to create a sound QA and test system including their testers. If they failed to do that, then that is their fault.
If they hired poor testers, sold seats to testers with low integrity, ignored test reports, or most likely shuffled their priority for a later date, especially if they were found post freeze, then it's still their fault. They screwed up. I've yet to be in a test (and I've done a lot) where exploit issues were later exposed that hadn't been reported earlier. Even with a large pool of people that are only there for early access, the people who do like to test enjoy finding and reporting issues. The recognition for being the person who first reported the issue is huge and there is usually a lot of competition to try for that. It is the equivalent of raid loot for testers.
So even if it wasn't reported (which I highly doubt), it doesn't excuse the developer from the responsibility or make them less accountable. They should have done better testing.
I just explained it right above this. My biggest problem as an observer is that the only people really throwing this around as gospel are those who have been over negative on this game from the start. That's the last type of poster I'm going to take at their word on anything game related. The truth is important to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
Yes, it was one that made it into launch... I have no idea what review or evidence people are using here, I just assumed people had seen that specific thread or a similar one. Thats why I was shocked with the whole "We JUST DISCOVERED a dupe" statement.
I wouldnt buy or not buy based on this. If you like questing with more depth than average you will love this. I know many people are having major bug issues and such but that wasnt my experience. The fact there is no Auction House makes the duping problem easier to handle and I would say this months problems are not indicadive on the game in any way shape or form.
I am pissed eso is a questing game with very little of a 'sandbox' nature- BUT the quests are good (if you like that thing) and there is fun to be had at least worth the $80. I have negative things to say but less about the duping problem and bugs since this really is something that is 'wait and see' and its more in 'how' they handle this overall rather than what is actually happening.
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
Yes, it was one that made it into launch... I have no idea what review or evidence people are using here, I just assumed people had seen that specific thread or a similar one. Thats why I was shocked with the whole "We JUST DISCOVERED a dupe" statement.
I wouldnt buy or not buy based on this. If you like questing with more depth than average you will love this. I know many people are having major bug issues and such but that wasnt my experience. The fact there is no Auction House makes the duping problem easier to handle and I would say this months problems are not indicadive on the game in any way shape or form.
I am pissed eso is a questing game with very little of a 'sandbox' nature- BUT the quests are good (if you like that thing) and there is fun to be had at least worth the $80. I have negative things to say but less about the duping problem and bugs since this really is something that is 'wait and see' and its more in 'how' they handle this overall rather than what is actually happening.
That would be my opinion .
I know I like what I've seen of the game in beta, however if they're just going to run their game into the ground or into a f2p transition early on, I have no desire to make a purchase. That's essentially my opinion on it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Free to play because of dupe bugs? I think not. Those of us who choose not to "cheat" our way through the game, are having a lot of fun playing ESO. These item dupes do not affect my game play at all. I play the game as I play any other rpg. I choose to be self sufficient, crafting my own potions, weapons, armor. I join groups and guilds for some social gaming. Nothing has changed for me.
So, if a small portion of idiots choose to item dupe, and risk their accounts, let them get their asses banned. It doesn't affect my gameplay at all. Even if they get away with item duping, it still does not affect me in the least. I do not base my gaming on the value of items in a game. Personally, it is way more fun trying to find loot on my own, throughout the game world.
I disagree with your statement. i believe this game will be around for a very long time. There are many of us who are enjoying our time in Tamriel, in spite of the gold sellers and cheaters.
It is your choice if you choose to let these morons affect your gameplay or not. I use my /ignore command as I see fit.
Well said! I echo many of the same sentiments.
I only wish i could more highly endorse your post and make it clear that a few idiots duping or cheating in game does not affect the overall success of ESO.
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
Yes, it was one that made it into launch... I have no idea what review or evidence people are using here, I just assumed people had seen that specific thread or a similar one. Thats why I was shocked with the whole "We JUST DISCOVERED a dupe" statement.
I wouldnt buy or not buy based on this. If you like questing with more depth than average you will love this. I know many people are having major bug issues and such but that wasnt my experience. The fact there is no Auction House makes the duping problem easier to handle and I would say this months problems are not indicadive on the game in any way shape or form.
I am pissed eso is a questing game with very little of a 'sandbox' nature- BUT the quests are good (if you like that thing) and there is fun to be had at least worth the $80. I have negative things to say but less about the duping problem and bugs since this really is something that is 'wait and see' and its more in 'how' they handle this overall rather than what is actually happening.
That would be my opinion .
I know I like what I've seen of the game in beta, however if they're just going to run their game into the ground or into a f2p transition early on, I have no desire to make a purchase. That's essentially my opinion on it.
Mine too ... Sadly.
I think this is the Beta test for Console and I think a transition has always been in the works for a different payment model. Its sad. I hope I am wrong . I think its was a missed opportunity .
But I also think people are latching onto the bugs and dupes as the negative when (to me) the longevity of keeping a sub based game going with questlines and PVP and not much else looks like a recipie for a cash grab. I chose not to buy and will revisit in a year and hopefully its still sub based and has some sandbox content and a good endgame. Will wait and see.
Yes, I see. You hadn't submitted that yet when I wrote that post. Most testing forums are closed and you won't seen the documentation unless you were part of the test group. Unless you were a tester and knew about the discussion thread then you will likely never know. If a tester just submitted a report and never made a thread then no one would ever know but ZO and the people the tester told. But like I said, that's incidental and doesn't absolve responsibility or accountability.
If you haven't bought it yet, wait a couple months until this is ironed out. In the long run the bug is not likely to have a lasting impact on the game economy or play. It will also likely have a much cheaper box price and maybe even an enticement sale.
Of course, you're 100% correct any design issue is in the hands of the developers to fix, they're accountable for that. To better explain my position I'll just say, if this was an issue of ignoring it completely as some have suggested, I'll just wait for the F2P transition whenever that may be . I'm a SWG pre-cu vet I went through both transitions of that game, after that I'm done dealing with Devs who seem to just let shit go until it's too late to fix it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
Yes, it was one that made it into launch... I have no idea what review or evidence people are using here, I just assumed people had seen that specific thread or a similar one. Thats why I was shocked with the whole "We JUST DISCOVERED a dupe" statement.
I wouldnt buy or not buy based on this. If you like questing with more depth than average you will love this. I know many people are having major bug issues and such but that wasnt my experience. The fact there is no Auction House makes the duping problem easier to handle and I would say this months problems are not indicadive on the game in any way shape or form.
I am pissed eso is a questing game with very little of a 'sandbox' nature- BUT the quests are good (if you like that thing) and there is fun to be had at least worth the $80. I have negative things to say but less about the duping problem and bugs since this really is something that is 'wait and see' and its more in 'how' they handle this overall rather than what is actually happening.
That would be my opinion .
I know I like what I've seen of the game in beta, however if they're just going to run their game into the ground or into a f2p transition early on, I have no desire to make a purchase. That's essentially my opinion on it.
Mine too ... Sadly.
I think this is the Beta test for Console and I think a transition has always been in the works for a different payment model. Its sad. I hope I am wrong . I think its was a missed opportunity .
But I also think people are latching onto the bugs and dupes as the negative when (to me) the longevity of keeping a sub based game going with questlines and PVP and not much else looks like a recipie for a cash grab. I chose not to buy and will revisit in a year and hopefully its still sub based and has some sandbox content and a good endgame. Will wait and see.
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A sound policy IMO for a gamer to have.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Free to play because of dupe bugs? I think not. Those of us who choose not to "cheat" our way through the game, are having a lot of fun playing ESO. These item dupes do not affect my game play at all. I play the game as I play any other rpg. I choose to be self sufficient, crafting my own potions, weapons, armor. I join groups and guilds for some social gaming. Nothing has changed for me.
So, if a small portion of idiots choose to item dupe, and risk their accounts, let them get their asses banned. It doesn't affect my gameplay at all. Even if they get away with item duping, it still does not affect me in the least. I do not base my gaming on the value of items in a game. Personally, it is way more fun trying to find loot on my own, throughout the game world.
I disagree with your statement. i believe this game will be around for a very long time. There are many of us who are enjoying our time in Tamriel, in spite of the gold sellers and cheaters.
It is your choice if you choose to let these morons affect your gameplay or not. I use my /ignore command as I see fit.
Well said! I echo many of the same sentiments.
I only wish i could more highly endorse your post and make it clear that a few idiots duping or cheating in game does not affect the overall success of ESO.
F2P because of a Dupe bug? Directly? No. But spending all their development resources on prolonged bug fixes and not being able to get started on adding content sure will.
It's been almost a month and this hasn't slowed down. Players are hitting cap. They should be thinking about adding content to the game, They can't do that yet.
If you find a bug/exploit you send it to the dev. You don't go posting here or reddit seeking attention about it.
And if it's one of the dupes I think it is, it's already been reported. Like DMK's post a few up from this: He found it, detailed it and reported it. He didn't run to a forum screaming "OMG! I found this thing and had members of my darknet communities verify it now TOS contact me now please!"
So yeah, that post still feels more like someone seeking attention and riding the "me too!" train than anything substantial.
The best way to force someone to fix a problem is to make it go public and gather support from the masses (lobbying).
Now that hordes of "regular" players are angry and want the "dupe" exploits fixed, the company just can't ignore the problem, as people threaten to stop their subscriptions to the game, etc.
Additionally, the more people are aware of the "dupes", the more people will do it and the more ZO is compelled to fix the issues (it's not just 1% of players any more gaining advantage over the other 99% of players). You won't hear the usual excuse "a small number of players was found duping items" now.
As for the people who are "fine" because the dupe doesn't affect them, they need to explain to me how they can NOT be affected by anything that happens in a community based game. Do they have their own private server then or are they just full of crap?
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Nice deflection on the fact you are bullshitting about the dupe bug being diligently reported in beta.
it was reported, and that fact is well documented. ZOS simply ignored it.
"real fans and supporters" ... that's probably a lot smaller then people think and a lot smaller then what Zenimax wants. Another problem is that the more bugs people find means the delay in content that keeps those "real fans" around.
This is what the video gaming industry gets now. Only in video games has Beta testing become an absolute joke. Now it's just another way to sell a game before it's complete. The masses aren't in there looking to improve the game. They are in there to find their "avantage" Some have found it.
You go wait round the corner for it to go F2P mate..........
....I'll come and get you when they are ready to let you in, shouldn't be [i]too[/i] long...... *good luck with that bro*
I've never bought anything from anyone else in this game and I'm closing in on end game...there really isn't an economy in this game due to the ease at which you can make everything yourself, and the difficulty in actually buying things from others (no AH).
The only thing I can see money being useful for is mounts, respecs, and item repair costs.
"Well documented", you mean we actually found real proof of this, or are people still talking about the two original sources on this?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I know one was reported in beta and the thread locked. IF the thread was deleted or not- I have no idea nor am I looking.
I know this because this is where the first dupe I learned of (in beta) came from. You can choose to believe me or not (I would be skeptical honestly of anyone on the internet so I understand you probably wont- no loss for either of us) and I saw several posts about it and it was locked. I never saw the thread closed, never saw it again. It was Beta and I wanted to see if what I read was true or not and it was.
Again, I expect nobody to believe me. Those with predetermined opinions one way or another will choose to believe or disbelieve me based on already formed pre conceived notions. Thus is human nature and especially the nature of the internet- King of disinformation. =P
It's not exactly as simple as believing you or not, there are more variables to consider, was it something reported/fixed yet cropped up again, is it a different dupe? Etc.. etc.. etc...
My problem with the original sources people were using was they could have been manipulated, especially the review people like to use as proof of this.
I've been trying to find this kind of info since launch, as I haven't bought ESO yet, this is the kind of thing I've been looking into to base my choice around. AS it's what matters most to me, IE how ZEn is approaching their issues..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just explained it right above this. My biggest problem as an observer is that the only people really throwing this around as gospel are those who have been over negative on this game from the start. That's the last type of poster I'm going to take at their word on anything game related. The truth is important to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes, it was one that made it into launch... I have no idea what review or evidence people are using here, I just assumed people had seen that specific thread or a similar one. Thats why I was shocked with the whole "We JUST DISCOVERED a dupe" statement.
I wouldnt buy or not buy based on this. If you like questing with more depth than average you will love this. I know many people are having major bug issues and such but that wasnt my experience. The fact there is no Auction House makes the duping problem easier to handle and I would say this months problems are not indicadive on the game in any way shape or form.
I am pissed eso is a questing game with very little of a 'sandbox' nature- BUT the quests are good (if you like that thing) and there is fun to be had at least worth the $80. I have negative things to say but less about the duping problem and bugs since this really is something that is 'wait and see' and its more in 'how' they handle this overall rather than what is actually happening.
That would be my opinion .
I know I like what I've seen of the game in beta, however if they're just going to run their game into the ground or into a f2p transition early on, I have no desire to make a purchase. That's essentially my opinion on it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well said! I echo many of the same sentiments.
I only wish i could more highly endorse your post and make it clear that a few idiots duping or cheating in game does not affect the overall success of ESO.
Mine too ... Sadly.
I think this is the Beta test for Console and I think a transition has always been in the works for a different payment model. Its sad. I hope I am wrong . I think its was a missed opportunity .
But I also think people are latching onto the bugs and dupes as the negative when (to me) the longevity of keeping a sub based game going with questlines and PVP and not much else looks like a recipie for a cash grab. I chose not to buy and will revisit in a year and hopefully its still sub based and has some sandbox content and a good endgame. Will wait and see.
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Of course, you're 100% correct any design issue is in the hands of the developers to fix, they're accountable for that. To better explain my position I'll just say, if this was an issue of ignoring it completely as some have suggested, I'll just wait for the F2P transition whenever that may be
. I'm a SWG pre-cu vet I went through both transitions of that game, after that I'm done dealing with Devs who seem to just let shit go until it's too late to fix it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
A sound policy IMO for a gamer to have.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
F2P because of a Dupe bug? Directly? No. But spending all their development resources on prolonged bug fixes and not being able to get started on adding content sure will.
It's been almost a month and this hasn't slowed down. Players are hitting cap. They should be thinking about adding content to the game, They can't do that yet.
The best way to force someone to fix a problem is to make it go public and gather support from the masses (lobbying).
Now that hordes of "regular" players are angry and want the "dupe" exploits fixed, the company just can't ignore the problem, as people threaten to stop their subscriptions to the game, etc.
Additionally, the more people are aware of the "dupes", the more people will do it and the more ZO is compelled to fix the issues (it's not just 1% of players any more gaining advantage over the other 99% of players). You won't hear the usual excuse "a small number of players was found duping items" now.
As for the people who are "fine" because the dupe doesn't affect them, they need to explain to me how they can NOT be affected by anything that happens in a community based game. Do they have their own private server then or are they just full of crap?