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I would much prefer DFO's combat to ESO's....but DFO doesn't exist anymore.
ESO combat is extremely similar to the new direction of DF:UW. Obviously there's no FPS component, but the "choose 10ish skills out of a large pool" style is very similar.
Yeah tbh I just don't get how you can complain about DFUW's combat while playing ESO.
Also, pvp in ESO just seems to vapid and meaningless to me. Very little (if any?) consequences to dying, meaningless sieges, skill-less combat.
Firstly, the DF:UW class system is going in the exact direction of ESO. So they will be very similar in that regard.
Secondly, ESO combat isn't FPS. So I don't approach it as such. Do you play League of Legends and then complain that it doesn't play like Call of Duty? No. They're different styles of game. I enjoy other types of games than just straight FPS.
Also, ESO is barely less aim-based than DF:UW. Both games have an FPS and TPS option. Both require aiming, but very "soft-aiming". ESO does soft-targetting. DF:UW has gigantic un-missable AOE's (stampede, pulverize, salvo, blizzard, etc.). So there isn't much difference there. The big difference is ESO doesn't have aimed projectiles like arrows or low splash bolts. But again, this doesn't bother me because I view them as completely different styles of game (which they are).
Thirdly, to address your points. I thought ESO was going to be garbage until I played it. I didn't follow the game at all until 3 weeks before release. Then I played it and had a ton of fun. Our clan and our players have made names for ourselves on the server. Zergs 3x our numbers turn and run from us when they get our tags.
There are no consequences to dying other than losing the fight. This isn't a sandbox game so this is to be expected. Again, you can't complain that ESO doesn't have death penalties when it simply isn't that kind of game. The sieges are far from meaningless. Keeps are important for clans in the game because they allow the clan to sell items through the guild store to other players. There is a siege based capture the flag mechanic that is extremely fun and very "large scale". Lastly, the PvP area is far from complete. They have tons of PvP content planned that currently isn't in game. The combat is far from skill-less. It isn't an FPS, so again you can't judge it as such. If your argument is that no game can have skillful combat if it isn't an FPS, then I can't help you there.
I played DFO for 3 years, 2 of which were spent with the best players in the game, owning everyone and everything. I most likely made all of you rage at least once in the history of the game (if you played on NA). Now in DF:UW, when I log on (very scarce), I still destroy every player I come across...but it isn't fun because I'm not winning because of skill. I win because of class imbalance and poor game design. The only time the game is challenging is when I'm fighting outnumbered and only against the best players in the game. So instead of "sticking with it" like so many of you DF:UW heroes, I've opted to play other games. One of which I now thoroughly enjoy. If you want to condemn me for that, go for it.
I don't play LoL because I find it mechanically easy and thus boring. I play SC2 because it's very difficult and fast paced. I know it sounds like I'm being semantic or splitting hairs, but I'm not. You say it's a "different type of game," but that's the whole point. The type of game it is, is bad. You can't just explain away the lack of consequence to dying as "oh it's just a different type of game." Yeah it's the type of game I wouldn't want to play. And I don't think you really played DFUW all that much if you think player skill doesn't factor in greatly. Yeah there are some really big AOE's, but they will never single handedly win you a fight.
Well I didn't post in the thread, but reading through the Angry Joe review thread was hilarious. A bunch of people saying, who is this angry Joe guy...never heard of him, who cares. Then Joe proceeds to get the video viewed about 350,000 times in an hour.
I love when people state that your opinion is just an opinion, but my opinion actually matters. My opinion is that darkfall had a good start and progressively got worse until shut down. Now I didnt get Darkfall UW for free which feels like a scam. Create an MMO and support it for a short period then shut it down, create another and charge another box fee.
This company has made a lot of promises that they didnt keep. It amazes me that you are shocked that people do not trust them. With UW I felt like I was sold on a product, that being darkfall, and received a completely different product.
They did give it to their old players for free.
When UW came out, we had the chance to pre-order it for the price of the sub...
Which is essentially, no box charge- Free.
If you haven't played it, you can buy it now for $20. If you get a buddy key, you can get it for less.
-Also, please note that the opinion of a person who plays and posts on the forum today is more valuable than the person who played 3 weeks a long time ago and posts on the forum today.
I'm not shocked about anything. But if you think the game hasn't been getting better consistently since launch, then you probably haven't been playing it.
What was even your point in posting this?
You don't like ESO. Cool? Why the fuck do I care? I'm not trying to discuss or convince any of you to play ESO. Badaboom asked a question, I answered it.
FYI, your silver league SC2 skills aren't impressing anyone. I've been in masters league for the last 6 seasons as zerg. GSO.
My opinion is more valuable than yours for the following reasons:
1. My life doesn't revolve around Darkfall, yours does.
2. I was better than all of you combined at Darkfall 1 and Darkfall Unholy Wars...despite the fact I rarely play the latter.
3. I'm not a mindless fanboi, defending a video game as if it's the most important thing on the planet.
4. I'm not stupid enough to let a company steal my money from me and then give me a product which wasn't the one I purchased.
5. I have more experience than you with games, have a broader and more educated opinion in general, and am not a narrow-minded lemming that can only see things from their own tiny perspective.
That clear it up for you bud?
See this is how DF1 vets think. I'm currently in diamond, and I hate to use the age old excuse but it's probably because I don't play much anymore. I've been in masters for the past 9 or so seasons. But for some reason you bitter vets just assume everybody you're talking to is bad, and not only that, what would it even matter if I were in silver? I'm saying your "it's a different type of game" excuse is BS because the type of game matters. I don't play competitive candy crush for a reason, I don't play LoL for a reason, and I don't play ESO for a reason. I don't like what type of game they are.
And the point of me posting it was to point out that it seems weird that you dislike DFUW reasons that should probably make you dislike ESO. I can't distinguish in my memory what you've said about the game in particular but the common complaints are that the combat isn't skillful enough, holdings don't feel like they matter, zerging is too effective, it's not sandbox-y enough. All of those are things that people could (and do) say about ESO. So that's fine if you don't care that I'm saying any of this, but I'm saying it.
The only thing it clears up is that NOBODY should take you seriously.
I started playing DF at release. Since I didnt have an NA copy of DF they wouldnt give me an NA copy free. All opinions are valid or invalid. Its subjective. Cant have it both ways. X-Rebirth was a buggy fucking mess when it released and probably still is today. My opinion was valid at release and a month later when I uninstalled it and asked for a refund. Time might change opinion but it doesnt not invalidate it.
No, not all opinions are simply valid or invalid, especially not when talking about actual conversations and when deciding whose opinion to take seriously. You form opinions based on knowledge and experience, if you lack knowledge/experience, your opinion means less.
ESO isn't a sandbox, so it isn't surprising that it isn't sandbox-y enough. I've never complained about Darkfall not being sandbox-y enough because that doesn't matter to me.
The combat is very skillful, definitely more skillful than the current iteration of DF:UW. I've played both games. You haven't. You'll have to take my word for it. ESO combat doesn't hold a stick to DF1 combat though.
The holdings matter, I would say, about as much as they do in DF:UW. They're slightly useful to have. This will change in the future though. Remember, you're comparing a 5 year old game to a 3 week old game. ESO PvP will certainly get better and the plans for that have already been out-lined.
Zerging is extremely ineffective in ESO. It doesn't mean people don't do it, but it is very ineffective. Our group of 15-20 is the sole reason our faction is demolishing the other 2. Our PvP server is almost always full...so our group of 15-20 causes a more significant impact than the other 2,000 players on the server.
Our clan is 60 ex Darkfall players...and we all enjoy ESO PvP despite it not being full-loot. What does that tell you? Are you going to really try and argue that opinion of 60 ex Darkfall players is less meaningful than your own, with your perspective being from outside the game since you've never played it?
Anyways, I'm done debating this. I don't want any of you to play ESO and that wasn't the point of this. The fact that you nerds think what video games I play is a good argument as to why DF:UW is the best game ever made...is nothing short of sad.
Watching you define why not a single person gives anything remotely close to a fuck about what you say, is nothing short of gold.
Yeah they have major MOD problems over there. A big reason I left is due to the forum MODS.
The problem is they can clean up the forums all they want but the same community is found IN game which is much more annoying then simply in a forum. All it means is people will get lured in and find those missing from the forums playing the game and still drive people away....
I agree with the OP that AV has a strong tendency to overestimate and deliver less the promised to keep the carrot moving the mule along.
It is not at all accurate imo. There are a few clans with some reasonably mature people but unfortunately even those tend to form alliances temporarily or semi-permanent with the many immature or worse clans. it varies depending on the clan's needs when it comes to sieges and to create activity.
The same group of repeatedly banned hackers stilled played when I stopped playing months ago. The BanHammer never seemed to live up to my expectations.
Ah well. Regardless DF was still a fun game for the most part and I wish AV the best in any case. I doubt I will be back though do to similar feelings of the OP.
And yet you keep responding. So you can play the internet tough guy "I don't care about anything" role if you want, but I'm not sure what the point of it is.
Nobody said that because you play ESO that means DFUW is the best game ever. I'm just pointing out that it seems weird that you play ESO, but shit on DFUW. Like I said before, I don't know what you specifically don't like about DFUW, but a lot of the common complaints can be used as complaints against ESO as well. If you don't share those complaints, then what exactly do you dislike about it? You're the one that came into this thread saying it was a shit game, so we're responding and saying it's a great game. I'm not sure where you expected this to go exactly.
And I never said anything about the opinions of 60 ex darkfall players.... so I'm not sure what you're talking about. You kind of just argue like a little kid or just some typical internet dummy, saying whatever pops into your head, making wild assumptions, shit-talking for no reason. It's pointless.
You say ESO pvp is more skillful, I kind of doubt it. I haven't played it a ton, but I did play a couple of the beta weekends and it seems almost impossible to miss, so I'm not sure what is supposed to be skillful about it. I'm even pulling up pvp videos right now and literally nothing about it seems difficult.
It tells me you're probably with Soul Takers.. lol.
"Darkfall is too easy, so I switched to ESO were it's more skillful."
10/10, excellent troll.