I cancelled and got a refund early because ESO was crashing so frequently as to be unplayable, in addition to all its other bugs, and the Customer Service was some of the worst I've ever seen. I went to a game that had a similarly bad launch, but has had the time to fix their bugs: SW-TOR.
I subscribed for three months; ESO's loss is SW-TOR's gain.
Personally, I sincerely dislike BioWare games because they are so linear, little more than reading a book (listening to voice-overs is the same thing) with the need to fight periodically, make some minor choices about your skill set, and do decisionmaking like, "Do I want to turn left or right to get to that same spot?" SW-TOR is no different in that regard. Even all the classes pretty much play the same way...
Why would I subscribe to a game from a company I don't like with design approaches I don't like?
(1) NO BUGS. Let me repeat that: NO BUGS. None at all.
(2) It's actually fun, though rather brainless. I won't play it forever; it's not going to be my new MMO-home like I hoped ESO would be. It's a temporary time-waster; but it's fun.
(3) Its PvP is balanced, hectic, continuous, and doesn't require 5 minutes of running only to die in three seconds. Yeah, it's only battlegrounds, but it's reasonably enjoyable. Cyrodil was not enjoyable (for me).
(4) NO BUGS. Did I already say that?
Would be nice if there actually was an instruction manual; the tutorial is inadequate; but, like most BioWare games, since it's rather brainless, it's always possible to figure things out on your own and through their forums.
Surprisingly, it's fairly well populated, although I don't know how many players are subscribers vice FTP players.
Anyway, ZOS, I'll give you a year to get your act together. It took BioWare that long, so I'll give you that long. If, a year from now, ESO has NO BUGS, is fun, and has replaced Cyrodil's crappy PvP with something enjoyable, I'll come back.
It's quite obvious you don't like this type of PvP and that's one thing that probably won't change in ESO. If you want SWTOR warzones or something along those lines then its probably best you looked elsewhere.
It suits my style of play about 100x better than ESO (quest quest quest and when you're done do more questing.. ok the PvP is good, but to PvP you must.. guess what.. yes QUEST)
At least I'm familiar with AA, I know what to expect and instead it's gonna be a lot of fun to play it with my friends who've never played it before.
I'm excited for group play - as in ESO it just didn't work too well due to horrible phasing.
Oh I am sure there are many MMOs that are good to play as a group, but AA isn't close to being a good option. It just got hyped for the past couple of weeks and will be a non-factor soon. People buying into the founder's pack are going to regret their decision soon.
If you want to play a game like AA, just go play Aion right now to quell your thirst. And go play AA when it is F2P instead of spending money now.
Best MMO on the market right now, even with the bugs. I've got 2 level 20 characters and I'm having a blast. Sure, there are some pretty nasty bugs that need to be fixed, I sometimes have to log out and log back in to complete a quest objective but this stuff will get ironed out and I'm willing to play through it because I love the game.
100% agree with you. Every bug has a work around and if your starting now, you may never even see a quest bug, since the reason quests were bugged was the amount of people hitting them at the same time. I'm leveling Khenarti's roost (starter island) and haven't ran into one single quest bug because there is not a million people all trying to do the same quest. Definitely staying also.
I enjoyed 1-50, stories were ok, voice acting made them better and the main story line along with the Guild story lines were good and kept me going. Let me preface what will probably be perceived as a rant with, I thoroughly enjoyed most of my time playing this game despite many of the flaws that I found and frustrating times I endured.
My problem started when I hit Veteran Rank 1. Lets be clear, nothing special comes with that title, nothing at all. For all intensive purposes it's 51 and the actual level cap is 60 (Veteran Rank 10). When you finish the main questline, defeat Molag Baal (however you spell it) you get the ability to activate some crystal that allows you to experience™ the other leveling zones. You don't see any of the 'newbies' starting out, these zones are phased and only show other veterans.
This is where the monotony starts. Leveling Veteran ranks takes drastically longer, approximately 3-4 times as long. The NPCs hit very hard, ex. some heavy attacks can easily wipe 1/3 of your HP out. I don't mind a challenge at all, in fact I enjoy it however, these typical world groups nearly kill you every time. (Maybe it was my 2H Templar build, I don't know, I had alot of trouble as VR1 and things didn't improve until I hit VR2). So here you are grinding the starting zones of other Alliances, not seeing any of the newer players, grinding out levels that are only named something special yet really don't mean anything aside from another level and there isn't any main story to keep you going.
All the while you're hoping you aren't the victim of quest bugs which can prevent you from progressing. What I mean by this is, you complete your starting zone, Coldharbour and the main storyline, then you jump to another starting zone but if you don't complete the quests in the starting area for (lets say) zone 2, you can't progress to zone 3 (the third and final Alliance zone) until you do. There have been many who have come up against this type of thing.
The PvE events™ or Anchors are much like the rifts in Rift except these don't scale, don't offer any challenge, spawn in STATIC locations, drop nothing and don't affect anything around them. They are a useless addition to the game unless you are really into the immersion of the main questline (which they are a major part of). I honestly don't get these, the potential for these events was massive and they failed miserably to deliver here. Why don't these invading armies go out and raid the world? Why, with all of the mechanics for destructible keeps in Cryodill, do these not grow into full on town sieges?
PvP isn't all that great. Once you get past the OOOO AAAAAAHHHHH factor of keeps being sieged and such, it's not all that exciting. Most of the time you spend in Cryo is traveling. This land mass is HUGE and the space between objectives is far too massive, for me. Most of the actual PvP that happens is one large blob of nerds walking over another, smaller blob of nerds. Now and again you find some small group of high level VR10's that is able to down a much larger group of lower levels but aside from that, most PvP is just blobs vs blobs, whoever has more in the blob wins the blob war.
Another thing to note in PvP is that higher level players have a distinct and usually devastating advantage over lower level players. Now, it's always been said that all players in Cryo would be normalized but this doesn't mean equalized. Those players who are higher level have better gear with better +HP/Magika/etc, more skill points and skill morphs and attribute points to further increase the disparity of magika and health. I know some people think this is ok and that's an opinion that anyone can have. My issue is that this removes the Player vs Player aspect and turns it into PvLevel or PvGear and you just can't have that in a game that touts massive PvP. That's just me.
Originally posted by Joejc7135 Gonna go play Wildstar, it's just superior in everyway for me. I was probably a fool to purchase it to start, I guess I was hoping the game would get better as I leveled but it just stayed the same. The mass pvp was just a zerg as usual so no fun there. I canceled earlier today, you won't catch me resting in davy jones locker along with this game.
Lol I am in the same boat. Al though I enjoyed my little time playing it. I always thought WIldstar was better, and really had no intention of playing past the 30th of may. If wildstar came out the 4th of april, I think you would of just bought wildstar over it anyways, so your not a fool. You just wanted to see. The only reason i ended up not subbing again is because of the bots. But wildstar crafting is a better format for me, much better ideas there that is why I wont play it after wildstar comes out.
Going to Wildstar. Sub'd just one month till Wildstar comes out. For me love ESO yet the gold spam the bots man they are never ending. the total lack of talk.
Its just way to easy for me. Sure I die allot but crafting is easy getting items .. man after about lvl 20 you just dont even loot greens. Just TONS. Anyway blah blah..
My friend already quit. Got to 50 as Vamp yet didnt want to go to some newbie zone just to keep playing. They should have made lvling harder.
It sounds you played so much that you exhausted yourself. You sound a bit incoherent. If the game was longer you might have died or suffer some permanent dmg from long hours of play. This happens with ppl that play games.
the game was too long for how simple it was. If the boss fights were so simple I would have to say just on the boss mechanics the game should have been 15 hours long. Killing npcs with the same mechanics and mostly trash for 2 weeks is a waste of time.
Its a simple game and should be shorter based on that.
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This is the only MMO that even remotely interests me at the moment, and the only game on the horizon that looks good, is The Division. So I'll likely stick around until that is released. Depending on the state of ESO at the time, I may even continue to sub, as The Division is F2P, I believe.
I'm surprised so many Wildstar type people tried this game. Then again there isn't much else to choose from on the market either. I'm curious as to how many of you Wildstar fans will be going to EQ Next when it arrives!
Originally posted by Knotwood I'm surprised so many Wildstar type people tried this game. Then again there isn't much else to choose from on the market either. I'm curious as to how many of you Wildstar fans will be going to EQ Next when it arrives!
Hmm looks like you are worried that your prophecy about 10 million subs before end of the year might not come true?
And i don't understand what wildstar type means. Majority of gamers try all kind of MMOS.
I never expected to play the game for more than 1-2 months. I got what I expected to get out of it, and will move on. I pretty much only picked it up to PvP for awhile.
We reported all these problems during closed beta(dupe bug,VR leveling issues, broken quests, shield bash being out of control in PvP). They were left in the game for launch anyway. That is how much Zenimax cared about those problems, or perhaps they didn't have the expertise to fix them. Either way, I got what I expected to get out of the game. I am not leaving disappointed because I knew what I was getting to begin with.
QUESTION: How many times do rats have to jump out of a ship that is not sinking, swim to the next ship that is leaving port, decide that one is sinking, jump out of a ship that is not sinking, swim to the next ship that is leaving port...
ANSWER: An infinite number of times if they are gamers.
Just got the founders pack for ArcheAge, so i am leaving (love my wife). I would have remained if Zenimax had optimized the net code, but its not playable for me, its mostly cause of my location, but i can play GW2 WvW, Rift PvP, Defiance, WoW Battlegrounds, and lots of other MMO's and still be competitive. I might come back later and see how AvA is then but since i got the game solely to partake in the AvA... i gotta move on.
AA is run by Trion and there servers, so since i do quite well with Rift PvP and Defiance, i doubt i will have the same issues, but i could be wrong. Oh well its always a crap shoot for me.
Not hating the game, it is good for what it was but the bugs and netcode suck right now.
Originally posted by Knotwood I'm surprised so many Wildstar type people tried this game. Then again there isn't much else to choose from on the market either. I'm curious as to how many of you Wildstar fans will be going to EQ Next when it arrives!
Hmm looks like you are worried that your prophecy about 10 million subs before end of the year might not come true?
And i don't understand what wildstar type means. Majority of gamers try all kind of MMOS.
I'm definitely not worried, in fact, I hit my mark on the projected path to 10 million subs. PC sold 1.6 million - 3.2 million copies. I predicted PC at 2-3 million so that was pretty much on the mark. We just have to wait for consoles now which I predicted 3-4 million copies.
I also predicted the retention rate at 60% if they keep their game updated with content every 4-6 weeks. However the bugs seems to be mildly hurting the retention rate... so Idk what the end result will be with the bugs, botters and goldsellers, It might reduce the grand total (but not more then 1 million), but we have to find out by how much first. I guess it all depends on consoles launch also.
As far as Wildstar type of people. I mean just that, the people who like Wildstar type games, and this can only help ESO if that many Wildstar type players are trying this game, question is, how many would actually stay long term, probably not a lot. Just the fact that a lot of Wildstar genre type people playing this game means it can only help the numbers of subs for ESO, who knows, maybe enough to make up for the lost retention of players to bugs.
The game is great, so it is not because I didn't enjoy it.
I unsubbed because I bought this game for the AvA, and I got burned out not being possible to level up through PvP. It was possible in the latest beta, and they removed the repeatable quest right before release, so I somewhat got cheated since they removed a feature I bought it for.
PvE is decent, but I'm fed up with it now. It takes ages to level (I do it through quests and not through all the weird things others do), so I unsubbed.
I tried Wildstar, but I will not hop onboard there neither. It just feels to much like a WoW clone (Yes I have tried the beta, and the art and so much just feels like WoW. Yes combat is a little bit different, so it's just WoW with an alternative combat to me).
I don't know where I will go from here. Probably not another MMO in a long time.
I bought Perpetuum though since it is b2p now. Will play that on/off.
I'll be staying without a doubt. Best MMORPG I've played since the launch of Lotro.
Even if I wasn't having loads of fun, there's nowhere else to go for the forseeable future. Wildstar and AA are not my cup 'o tea, so I'm looking forward to The Repopulation and The Division, the latter being a bit of a mystery at this stage.
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It's quite obvious you don't like this type of PvP and that's one thing that probably won't change in ESO. If you want SWTOR warzones or something along those lines then its probably best you looked elsewhere.
Oh I am sure there are many MMOs that are good to play as a group, but AA isn't close to being a good option. It just got hyped for the past couple of weeks and will be a non-factor soon. People buying into the founder's pack are going to regret their decision soon.
If you want to play a game like AA, just go play Aion right now to quell your thirst. And go play AA when it is F2P instead of spending money now.
100% agree with you. Every bug has a work around and if your starting now, you may never even see a quest bug, since the reason quests were bugged was the amount of people hitting them at the same time. I'm leveling Khenarti's roost (starter island) and haven't ran into one single quest bug because there is not a million people all trying to do the same quest. Definitely staying also.
I've seen the cow line up and the sub par...well...everything else. Besides the visuals and the "concept"...what else is there?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I totally typed more than I expected, whoops.
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I enjoyed 1-50, stories were ok, voice acting made them better and the main story line along with the Guild story lines were good and kept me going. Let me preface what will probably be perceived as a rant with, I thoroughly enjoyed most of my time playing this game despite many of the flaws that I found and frustrating times I endured.
My problem started when I hit Veteran Rank 1. Lets be clear, nothing special comes with that title, nothing at all. For all intensive purposes it's 51 and the actual level cap is 60 (Veteran Rank 10). When you finish the main questline, defeat Molag Baal (however you spell it) you get the ability to activate some crystal that allows you to experience™ the other leveling zones. You don't see any of the 'newbies' starting out, these zones are phased and only show other veterans.
This is where the monotony starts. Leveling Veteran ranks takes drastically longer, approximately 3-4 times as long. The NPCs hit very hard, ex. some heavy attacks can easily wipe 1/3 of your HP out. I don't mind a challenge at all, in fact I enjoy it however, these typical world groups nearly kill you every time. (Maybe it was my 2H Templar build, I don't know, I had alot of trouble as VR1 and things didn't improve until I hit VR2). So here you are grinding the starting zones of other Alliances, not seeing any of the newer players, grinding out levels that are only named something special yet really don't mean anything aside from another level and there isn't any main story to keep you going.
All the while you're hoping you aren't the victim of quest bugs which can prevent you from progressing. What I mean by this is, you complete your starting zone, Coldharbour and the main storyline, then you jump to another starting zone but if you don't complete the quests in the starting area for (lets say) zone 2, you can't progress to zone 3 (the third and final Alliance zone) until you do. There have been many who have come up against this type of thing.
The PvE events™ or Anchors are much like the rifts in Rift except these don't scale, don't offer any challenge, spawn in STATIC locations, drop nothing and don't affect anything around them. They are a useless addition to the game unless you are really into the immersion of the main questline (which they are a major part of). I honestly don't get these, the potential for these events was massive and they failed miserably to deliver here. Why don't these invading armies go out and raid the world? Why, with all of the mechanics for destructible keeps in Cryodill, do these not grow into full on town sieges?
PvP isn't all that great. Once you get past the OOOO AAAAAAHHHHH factor of keeps being sieged and such, it's not all that exciting. Most of the time you spend in Cryo is traveling. This land mass is HUGE and the space between objectives is far too massive, for me. Most of the actual PvP that happens is one large blob of nerds walking over another, smaller blob of nerds. Now and again you find some small group of high level VR10's that is able to down a much larger group of lower levels but aside from that, most PvP is just blobs vs blobs, whoever has more in the blob wins the blob war.
Another thing to note in PvP is that higher level players have a distinct and usually devastating advantage over lower level players. Now, it's always been said that all players in Cryo would be normalized but this doesn't mean equalized. Those players who are higher level have better gear with better +HP/Magika/etc, more skill points and skill morphs and attribute points to further increase the disparity of magika and health. I know some people think this is ok and that's an opinion that anyone can have. My issue is that this removes the Player vs Player aspect and turns it into PvLevel or PvGear and you just can't have that in a game that touts massive PvP. That's just me.
Lol I am in the same boat. Al though I enjoyed my little time playing it. I always thought WIldstar was better, and really had no intention of playing past the 30th of may. If wildstar came out the 4th of april, I think you would of just bought wildstar over it anyways, so your not a fool. You just wanted to see. The only reason i ended up not subbing again is because of the bots. But wildstar crafting is a better format for me, much better ideas there that is why I wont play it after wildstar comes out.
The millons of voice acting i guess with the cut off heads lol
It sounds you played so much that you exhausted yourself. You sound a bit incoherent. If the game was longer you might have died or suffer some permanent dmg from long hours of play. This happens with ppl that play games.
the game was too long for how simple it was. If the boss fights were so simple I would have to say just on the boss mechanics the game should have been 15 hours long. Killing npcs with the same mechanics and mostly trash for 2 weeks is a waste of time.
Its a simple game and should be shorter based on that.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
As long as its fun I will stay.
The other games will be there if I want to try something else.
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I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Hmm looks like you are worried that your prophecy about 10 million subs before end of the year might not come true?
And i don't understand what wildstar type means. Majority of gamers try all kind of MMOS.
I never expected to play the game for more than 1-2 months. I got what I expected to get out of it, and will move on. I pretty much only picked it up to PvP for awhile.
We reported all these problems during closed beta(dupe bug,VR leveling issues, broken quests, shield bash being out of control in PvP). They were left in the game for launch anyway. That is how much Zenimax cared about those problems, or perhaps they didn't have the expertise to fix them. Either way, I got what I expected to get out of the game. I am not leaving disappointed because I knew what I was getting to begin with.
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I am staying but the other mmo that people don't talk about cause they think its not.
is DARK SOULS 2 that I will also play now till DESTINY.
QUESTION: How many times do rats have to jump out of a ship that is not sinking, swim to the next ship that is leaving port, decide that one is sinking, jump out of a ship that is not sinking, swim to the next ship that is leaving port...
ANSWER: An infinite number of times if they are gamers.
Just got the founders pack for ArcheAge, so i am leaving (love my wife). I would have remained if Zenimax had optimized the net code, but its not playable for me, its mostly cause of my location, but i can play GW2 WvW, Rift PvP, Defiance, WoW Battlegrounds, and lots of other MMO's and still be competitive. I might come back later and see how AvA is then but since i got the game solely to partake in the AvA... i gotta move on.
AA is run by Trion and there servers, so since i do quite well with Rift PvP and Defiance, i doubt i will have the same issues, but i could be wrong. Oh well its always a crap shoot for me.
Not hating the game, it is good for what it was but the bugs and netcode suck right now.
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I'm definitely not worried, in fact, I hit my mark on the projected path to 10 million subs. PC sold 1.6 million - 3.2 million copies. I predicted PC at 2-3 million so that was pretty much on the mark. We just have to wait for consoles now which I predicted 3-4 million copies.
I also predicted the retention rate at 60% if they keep their game updated with content every 4-6 weeks. However the bugs seems to be mildly hurting the retention rate... so Idk what the end result will be with the bugs, botters and goldsellers, It might reduce the grand total (but not more then 1 million), but we have to find out by how much first. I guess it all depends on consoles launch also.
As far as Wildstar type of people. I mean just that, the people who like Wildstar type games, and this can only help ESO if that many Wildstar type players are trying this game, question is, how many would actually stay long term, probably not a lot. Just the fact that a lot of Wildstar genre type people playing this game means it can only help the numbers of subs for ESO, who knows, maybe enough to make up for the lost retention of players to bugs.
Leaving to Wildstar.
After reaching the veteran ranks ESO just became too boring to continue.
RvR isn't my cup of tea so I cannot see myself spending time in Cyrodil either.
Wildstar has a lot of instanced PvP options that I am very interested in and there's the gear treadmill to keep myself busy with.
I'm really excited to come back to ESO someday once they'll get their systems running but can't bother paying sub for them at the current state.
The game is great, so it is not because I didn't enjoy it.
I unsubbed because I bought this game for the AvA, and I got burned out not being possible to level up through PvP. It was possible in the latest beta, and they removed the repeatable quest right before release, so I somewhat got cheated since they removed a feature I bought it for.
PvE is decent, but I'm fed up with it now. It takes ages to level (I do it through quests and not through all the weird things others do), so I unsubbed.
I tried Wildstar, but I will not hop onboard there neither. It just feels to much like a WoW clone (Yes I have tried the beta, and the art and so much just feels like WoW. Yes combat is a little bit different, so it's just WoW with an alternative combat to me).
I don't know where I will go from here. Probably not another MMO in a long time.
I bought Perpetuum though since it is b2p now. Will play that on/off.
I'll be staying without a doubt. Best MMORPG I've played since the launch of Lotro.
Even if I wasn't having loads of fun, there's nowhere else to go for the forseeable future. Wildstar and AA are not my cup 'o tea, so I'm looking forward to The Repopulation and The Division, the latter being a bit of a mystery at this stage.