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I think that what you want is Permadeath.
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Sounds like you described ToA pretty closely.
AKA - Bruxail
The perfect game with permadeath for me would have these characteristics:
- horizontal progression - Even if you played 100 hours, if you make a stupid mistake, you die, that's it. Leveling is an illusion of progression, and griefing comes from higher level players who kill newbs. If someone who spent days working on his char tries to kill a new player and instead gets defeated by a group of villagers, that ought to teach them a lesson. Sadly, that can't happen in level-based MMOs.
- open-world pvp - Quite self-explanatory, although a very careful reputation system should be implemented in order for people to not kill each other all the time. Assassins should be hunted, heroes should be rewarded. Simple as that.
- sandbox - Self-explanatory as well, give the players the chance to rule the world and make it different.
Its true !
I definitely want Permadeath.
Permadeath of all topics about Permadeath !
Running D3 dungeons with a group is no difference than running a dungeon in WoW. Just instanced all the content (which lots of MMOs already have most content instanced), and then add an option like D3.
You'd be surprised at the amount of players in games with permadeath.
I suspect you are right, in thinking that I want permadeath.
When developing my "ideal MMO" as we all do, it was a central feature. I toned down the effect of it a lot; I'm not an avid PVPer. But it was still there, depriving me of progress and, consequently, making progress more valuable.
I set my "ideal MMO" in the world of Wheel of Time, with a focus on playing though many characters in many areas of the world.
It would be difficult to avoid burnout, though. Almost by definition you need "emergent" gameplay elements; how many times can YOU level to 90?
Hello,
In response, to this post on 5/04/14 "I think that what you want is Permadeath". Just reading that makes me extremely seriously agree and feel inspired that developers should wake up, make mmos more along those lines. The story, urges me! Wanting to go to that world and try something like that in which you described. In fact, one of the funnest games I've played Asheron's Call 1 Server-Darktide. The game, was a sand box open world pvp, it was skilled based leveling, Full loot when you die, then when death comes player's lost experience and a percentage of the characters skilled based system loss. Till, you worked your vitae penalty, and gained the skills you have back. The portals is where you entered dungeons in and out, place to place. Lifestones, you could tie and went automatically, back to Lifestone when you died. Your character, could recall to the Portal or a lifestone, where tied to, with just one spell (recall), in fact so quick and ez it was almost cowardly cheesey. Especially when your about to WIN. Realizing who had the most honor in battle. Yeah, you know are
The monster AI, was intelligent and INTENSE(imagine like 25 on 1 battles buffed). Mage or Warriors, could use, bludgeon sword axe and more. Mages and Warriors could use Magic Defense to protect against Magic and Missile defense to protect arrows.I felt, like i was always going places, running town to town or portal hub to portal hub, flying thru portals. Makes me go, wooh I'm flying lol. Buying, selling, muling, as state of fear and excitement doing it, thrilling. The loot was good; because you needed money for components for spells, or magic buffs or weapons or wands. And, always wanted more items!, constantly being taken by other players, or sold, and realize the loot(fun uber loot) had stats, hence being more deadly than opponents. Well, sometimes. But, Life is like box chocolates you never know what loot.
Warriors could stick to people when they attacked in pvp, in with what weapon skilled in, with only low medium or high attack zone though. The game originally, didnt have the feature sticking target in running attack, but later was added. Warriors could use shields making it difficult for archers. With item magic, you could buff your clothes, armor, and shield you had on. Again, with item magic, you could also buff weapons, for speed attack and damage and even defense. Buff ,with item, life, or war magic to use higher spells out of skill range, that couldn't be reached. Jump was a skill, Run was a skill, you could train in bow or xbow. Mages were unstoppable at first, as just buffing their robes up, later they changed it, as you couldnt damage them very well.There were no hybrid warriors at the time; not able debuff mages magic. Just, a fun game, with in a sort of permadeath world, I've played, many other games many. Most fun with, Asherons Call, Man.. There have has to be a better way, permadeath might be the way. Interesting? Is to me-, at least something NEW and FRESH damn!
What, i think will happen is games will become so easy to make; someone will create something more about this. Maybe yeah-, its not everyone's cup of tea to play against other players, but it doesn't seem that exciting PVE wise. Look up the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over, monster killing after monster killing, boring after boring! I wish they would make more games with pvp permadeath and definitely sand box, with LESS LAG!, my god! I can feel anger about lag in mmos thinking about it. Yeah, and if you can make a good argument for a pve game. Go for it. Seriously, I doubt it. You know what i am going to go grow a garden and stuff. I'm bored, actually. I rather.
Yeah, I wish I could of had the chance to play UO beta. All the way till they jacked her up. I didnt have a computer and was probably to young. Another, fact is Asherons call has had the most updates of any game, that shows how much the devs cared, and the player base cared more, than any game. I've seen, know,though only like 8000 played the game. but people cared, the player base had,anti pk guild, and pk guild, and even neutral, people made guilds by swearing to someone and the person at the top was the name of the guild. There were patrons and vessels, that made up the chain,and in a good way and bad way ,XP went up as you level to, up the chain.
Yeah, it was fun though, Make, a game again that will bring me so much Fun. Any new ideas. I am open to discussion. I usually just buy games and dont play them. Its kind of a waste of money, but I still try them, for some reason. Hm. Seems, only now ive been disappointed so much, that I am going to stop just buying them. I am going to probably stop playing them, but who knows what the future will hold. Its not hate of video games, its the lack of good video games. You, also have one life thats permadeath so use it. Right? :-)
looking forward to gw2 actually..
why? It wastes their time, and lower their farming efficiencies.
Go ahead and have your permadeath game. Personally I could not give a rats ass what you people play.
If you kiddies want to beat on each other and call yourselves tough guys, then be my guest. Personally I think it makes you look worse than childish, but thats just my opinion.
I can guarantee you that the game will fail though.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
It will never work in a mmorpg with levels!! I think i don't need to explain why, lots of people answered your question already.
It would be nice but not in a pvp mmorpg.
D3 has a PD option. Last time I heard, it sold 15+M copies, and the expansion sold millions.
Do i get my money back with your "guarantee of failure"?
It worked in D3. It may not be a "true" MMO, but it is close enough, and it has levels (in fact, TWO of them .. levels, and paragon levels).
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Thread was over a month old before it was dug up yesterday so I'm locking it.
Please don't necro threads.