Originally posted by Lord.Bachus With wildstar getting close to the end of their open beta... Its time to ask the question, which one do you like more?
The MMO scene isn't like this, it's not ESO vs Wildstar. I don't know why people like to make these games ESO vs Wildstar when it's nothing of the sort at all.
It's ESO and Wildstar vs all the other titles that are still current.
WoW will still be more popular than both combined.
The MMO scene isn't like this, it's not ESO vs Wildstar. I don't know why people like to make these games ESO vs Wildstar when it's nothing of the sort at all.
It's ESO and Wildstar vs all the other titles that are still current.
WoW will still be more popular than both combined.
You always compare the newest to each other.
You don't see people comparing a Geforce 780GTX to a 5 year old Radeon 5000 for a reason, not fair. And then you coming around saying it doesn't matter because the Geforce 6800 outsold them all, would be what? Crazy right? yeah.
Same applies here. Context is everything and the context is which of the two is better, not which is the best in the whole of forever!
Wildstar hasn't really officially been released, granted I guess beta is out even if its still getting polish here and there. None the less, Wildstar would easily beat out ESO for me... but honestly most MMos would beat ESO. Gw2, a game I dislike and feel is painfully average beats ESO to me. Its not really a great comparison.
I don't see these two MMO's in competition with each other. They each have such a different experience going for them I would actually expect a clean split between folks that love one or the other. I think there are enough folks to keep each alive for a while. I happen to be in the crowd that likes ESO and not WildStar. I don't see my fellow ESO players as those that would really like WildStar either.
ESO is a good game that is ruined from bugs / bots / hacks.
Wildstar is just not a good game. WoW clone 2014
First off, Wildstar isn't a WoW clone.. I think you're confusing it with Rift..
Does WoW have real target, skillshot abilites? NOPE, you click target, spam buttons and your magic heat seeking fireballs manage to hit your target with no effort.. Wildstar is about skillshots.
Does WoW have dodging and sprint? NOPE! Because WoW is a lazy man's game with a lack of skillshots. Please don't try to tell me that there is anything worth mentioning.. even the arrows are heat seeking..
Does WoW's intro events (level 2-6) involve an engaging story with action and dodging all kinds of stuff (no).. in WoW you walk up to an NPC who tells you 50 pages of lore while you try to stay awake... in Wildstar, they say OK man, we need to go save this, or do that.. all while bombs are going off and you have to dodge them, and then you have enemies you're dashing past to complete objectives... it's actually very entertaining even past MMO standards.
The only thing WoW-clone about it is.. well.. the graphics? But since part of their dev team IS the original developers of WoW.. I have trouble finding your argument..
Sorry, but in my honest opinion, Wildstar is a fresh face among a stagnant pool of MMOs. The action is fun, the story is entertaining, and yes, it does follow the same "grind x amount of mobs" quest... but at the same time.. the game has many thing to do besides quest in that sense..
There are Paths, or subclasses, you can pick, and enjoy (and I did)
[quote]Wildstar has linear questing[/quote]
If that's your argument, then that is no argument at all.. that can be said for any RPG in general.. witcher 1 was extremely linear but it was one of the funnest game's i had played to date..
My vote goes for Wildstar.. though, one thing, they really need to optimize the engine.
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of dungeons for loot? yes
Does Wildstar endgame largely be summed up as raid for the best loot or GTFO? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of gameplay mechanics of don't stand in the fire? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same format of quest hubs and zones that deny a free roaming experience? yes
Wildstar IS a wow clone, but more precisely they are both the tiresome theme park on rails MMO, and Wildstar while might be well made does nothing that is innovative or revolutionary and mechanics wise is everything that WoW is. Star Citizen, Pathfinder Online, CU all try to bring something new or more accurately don't just copy what is popular and try to do their spin of things.
Wildstar does the exact same promise and fan zealotry that every past shiny MMao has done and likely will end no different in a few months time.
Dislike both.... Even tough i own a copy of ESO i havent loged in for 8 days or longer now..... And after playing Wildsar beta last month or so and joined pvp and notice the clusterfuck that is called pvp i lost interest in that to.
Archage man........give me that damn mmo naow!!!!!!
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of dungeons for loot? yes
Does Wildstar endgame largely be summed up as raid for the best loot or GTFO? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of gameplay mechanics of don't stand in the fire? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same format of quest hubs and zones that deny a free roaming experience? yes
Wildstar IS a wow clone, but more precisely they are both the tiresome theme park on rails MMO, and Wildstar while might be well made does nothing that is innovative or revolutionary and mechanics wise is everything that WoW is. Star Citizen, Pathfinder Online, CU all try to bring something new or more accurately don't just copy what is popular and try to do their spin of things.
Wildstar does the exact same promise and fan zealotry that every past shiny MMao has done and likely will end no different in a few months time.
The "dredge" mechanic of not standing in the fire, is countered by the ability to use your character in a less boring way. Tell me one game in all of game's history that doesn't have the "dodge the fire" mechanic!? You can't name me any, because they all do it. Difference being Wildstar knew this and took the opportunity to incorporate dodging and free movement, and skillshot abilities, instead of tab-attacking things.
So.. as I've learned from countless RPGs, mainly Fallout 3, Morrowind, Oblivion, Gothic II, and so forth... you can "free roam" all you like.. but you won't get very far.. so go ahead and free roam and enjoy doing nothing but that because you have zero chance of killing anything past your suggested areas.
Wildstar has taken what has been boring about MMOs recently (target, auto attack, cast heat-seeking fireball spells) and given it a fresh face. Yes, ESO does this too, and yes, ESO combat is nice.. but at the same time, the ESO zones, feel very condensed, and not very open, whereas Wildstar zones are very open.
the MMORPG.com hipster says "omg how can anyone like either of these terrible games, they are not sandbox games that dumb the genre down to the lowest common denominator. anyone that plays either of these games should be ashamed of themselves."
Originally posted by rodingo Well since Wildstar isn't shoe-horning a single player IP into an MMO format my vote is for them for playing it smart. That doesn't mean I will get the game though. I'm still kicking myself for buying and trying ESO last month even though every ounce of my being told me not too. Always go with your instincts!
GW2 is the game for you. We know that, you know that. Just stay there, leave other games alone. Problem solved no more bitching
Well what we used to say in the Navy is, "A bitching Sailor is a happy Sailor". Maybe I'm a happy gamer? Besides, weren't you the one saying that you wouldn't leave Age of Wushu unless something better came along? You honestly think ESO is better than Wushu? Even I know better than that.
Originally posted by rodingo Well since Wildstar isn't shoe-horning a single player IP into an MMO format my vote is for them for playing it smart. That doesn't mean I will get the game though. I'm still kicking myself for buying and trying ESO last month even though every ounce of my being told me not too. Always go with your instincts!
GW2 is the game for you. We know that, you know that. Just stay there, leave other games alone. Problem solved no more bitching
Well what we used to say in the Navy is, "A bitching Sailor is a happy Sailor". Maybe I'm a happy gamer? Besides, weren't you the one saying that you wouldn't leave Age of Wushu unless something better came along? You honestly think ESO is better than Wushu? Even I know better than that.
Right now today when ESO works, there's nothing like it. The combat + skill system + Cyrodiil + graphics = some amazingly visceral play. Wushu is a different animal. It's systems are as brilliant as ESO is visceral. I really wish Wushu wasn't free to play though. After 15 months all the real money in game did me in.
Does WoW's intro events (level 2-6) involve an engaging story with action and dodging all kinds of stuff (no).. in WoW you walk up to an NPC who tells you 50 pages of lore while you try to stay awake... in Wildstar, they say OK man, we need to go save this, or do that.. all while bombs are going off and you have to dodge them, and then you have enemies you're dashing past to complete objectives... it's actually very entertaining even past MMO standards.
I am sorry, but please speak for yourself in this regard. I had the exact opposite experience in regards to the intro levels. WS had a somewhat fresh premise, yet managed to make it boring in my experience. I did the intro levels for both the Exiles and the Dominion and found them lacking.
In comparison to WoW, Aion, Age of Conan, TOR, Warhammer, and Rift's starter areas, I found WS the weakest.
I have not played ESO and do not intend to, so I cannot comment. As for WS, I hear the upper levels and dungeons are better, but I could not force myself to play after I left the starting areas.
I tried both of them out and and did not care for ether of them. Just not my thing and I did not want to waste money on a game or games that I saw myself quitting after a few days.
Hopefully something i do like will come along later this year or the next. in the meantime I will just do other things in my free time.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
I don't know what kind of endgame you expect from temeparks.But raids, dungeos, adventures, shiphands, arenas,bg's, warplots, it doesn't seem like they took the easy way out to me. They took the easy way out for questing, but you can't say the same about their endgame.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
I get that neither are for you but to claim ESO is unplayable is a blatant lie. It is playable and you just don't like it and that's fine.
I voted that I don't like either one of them. Right now, I can't stand the thought of playing another themepark MMO. I played ESO for a week and got a refund. I played Wildstar for a weekend and was equally unimpressed. I don't go into these games with a pessimistic attitude. I start out very excited for these new MMO's and then about two hours into playing them, my eyes glaze over and I log off.
I'm prone to take frequent breaks from MMO's to avoid being burned out, but I find that lately, I keep taking longer and longer breaks. I'm playing EVE right now because it is so shockingly different from what I'm used to and I'm enjoying it. Maybe I'm just done with themeparks and not the genre as a whole. Time will tell.
As for the poll, even with AA coming out later this year and Warlords of Draenor as well, 2014 just isn't blowing my skirt up and I choose neither, though I'd rather play ESO if I were FORCED to choose. I didn't have any expectations though so I'm not disappointed.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
I don't know what kind of endgame you expect from temeparks.But raids, dungeos, adventures, shiphands, arenas,bg's, warplots, it doesn't seem like they took the easy way out to me. They took the easy way out for questing, but you can't say the same about their endgame.
Grind the same dungeons and quest over and over is what it boils down to. Exactly like all the other games. The 40 man raids are the only aspect of the game that is different then others. PVP is just a spamfest of telegraphs.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
I don't know what kind of endgame you expect from temeparks.But raids, dungeos, adventures, shiphands, arenas,bg's, warplots, it doesn't seem like they took the easy way out to me. They took the easy way out for questing, but you can't say the same about their endgame.
Grind the same dungeons and quest over and over is what it boils down to. Exactly like all the other games. The 40 man raids are the only aspect of the game that is different then others. PVP is just a spamfest of telegraphs.
I'm with you on that. But it feels kind of moot to complain about themeparks having this kind of endgame. Thats just how it is.
Both have a different feel to it. Wildstar has more quality overall as a game, more features, more social aspects, more content, more challenging, more everything besides voice acted dialogue.
If Wildstar had all that dialogue from quests it would probably be more immersive leveling up but at what cost do we need MMO's to invest so much on only one aspect of the game?
ESO did that and besides questing, the game comes out lacking horribly.
Maybe you like more the fantasy setting, realistic graphics, story and feel of ESO but there's no denying that Wildstar is the superior game overall. It just has a much bigger package.
I don't really like to see the floor flooded with telegraphs all the time but truth is, when you're playing it, it's intense. You know what to avoid, you know what your target is, its just a matter of reflexes and skill how you execute everything. Oh yes, skill matters a lot in this game, there's no stone/paper/scissors combat. Be fast or be dead.
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The MMO scene isn't like this, it's not ESO vs Wildstar. I don't know why people like to make these games ESO vs Wildstar when it's nothing of the sort at all.
It's ESO and Wildstar vs all the other titles that are still current.
WoW will still be more popular than both combined.
You always compare the newest to each other.
You don't see people comparing a Geforce 780GTX to a 5 year old Radeon 5000 for a reason, not fair. And then you coming around saying it doesn't matter because the Geforce 6800 outsold them all, would be what? Crazy right? yeah.
Same applies here. Context is everything and the context is which of the two is better, not which is the best in the whole of forever!
tbh I think in it's current state, it's unfair for ESO to compare the two.
Wildstar is a much more complete game with many more features.
Personally, doing one Wildstar lvl 20 dungeon was ten times more exciting than everything I did in ESO.
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I would go with digestive biscuit versus a cake.
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the only thing I'm worried about is the optimization
I really want them to fix that.. because.. I can run Crysis 2 at high settings 30fps
I run Wildstar at medium and low settings < 20 fps... wat
Tbh, that's the only thing holding me back from purchasing right now.. that and I have to pay rent
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of dungeons for loot? yes
Does Wildstar endgame largely be summed up as raid for the best loot or GTFO? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same dredge of gameplay mechanics of don't stand in the fire? Yes
Does Wildstar follow the same format of quest hubs and zones that deny a free roaming experience? yes
Wildstar IS a wow clone, but more precisely they are both the tiresome theme park on rails MMO, and Wildstar while might be well made does nothing that is innovative or revolutionary and mechanics wise is everything that WoW is. Star Citizen, Pathfinder Online, CU all try to bring something new or more accurately don't just copy what is popular and try to do their spin of things.
Wildstar does the exact same promise and fan zealotry that every past shiny MMao has done and likely will end no different in a few months time.
Dislike both....
Even tough i own a copy of ESO i havent loged in for 8 days or longer now.....
And after playing Wildsar beta last month or so and joined pvp and notice the clusterfuck that is called pvp i lost interest in that to.
Archage man........give me that damn mmo naow!!!!!!
The "dredge" mechanic of not standing in the fire, is countered by the ability to use your character in a less boring way. Tell me one game in all of game's history that doesn't have the "dodge the fire" mechanic!? You can't name me any, because they all do it. Difference being Wildstar knew this and took the opportunity to incorporate dodging and free movement, and skillshot abilities, instead of tab-attacking things.
So.. as I've learned from countless RPGs, mainly Fallout 3, Morrowind, Oblivion, Gothic II, and so forth... you can "free roam" all you like.. but you won't get very far.. so go ahead and free roam and enjoy doing nothing but that because you have zero chance of killing anything past your suggested areas.
Wildstar has taken what has been boring about MMOs recently (target, auto attack, cast heat-seeking fireball spells) and given it a fresh face. Yes, ESO does this too, and yes, ESO combat is nice.. but at the same time, the ESO zones, feel very condensed, and not very open, whereas Wildstar zones are very open.
Well what we used to say in the Navy is, "A bitching Sailor is a happy Sailor". Maybe I'm a happy gamer?
Besides, weren't you the one saying that you wouldn't leave Age of Wushu unless something better came along? You honestly think ESO is better than Wushu? Even I know better than that.
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Right now today when ESO works, there's nothing like it. The combat + skill system + Cyrodiil + graphics = some amazingly visceral play. Wushu is a different animal. It's systems are as brilliant as ESO is visceral. I really wish Wushu wasn't free to play though. After 15 months all the real money in game did me in.
I am sorry, but please speak for yourself in this regard. I had the exact opposite experience in regards to the intro levels. WS had a somewhat fresh premise, yet managed to make it boring in my experience. I did the intro levels for both the Exiles and the Dominion and found them lacking.
In comparison to WoW, Aion, Age of Conan, TOR, Warhammer, and Rift's starter areas, I found WS the weakest.
I have not played ESO and do not intend to, so I cannot comment. As for WS, I hear the upper levels and dungeons are better, but I could not force myself to play after I left the starting areas.
I tried both of them out and and did not care for ether of them. Just not my thing and I did not want to waste money on a game or games that I saw myself quitting after a few days.
Hopefully something i do like will come along later this year or the next. in the meantime I will just do other things in my free time.
ESO is a game that is filled with bots, dupes, bugs and lack of decent combat. There is no endgame still after a month and half of being out. It is unplayable and can not be taken seriously. It could be the biggest cash grab of all time with F2P already around the corner.
Wildstar is a game that is poorly optimized going into launch. It is a WoW clone (even the developers are proud to call themselves that) with housing (decent). The leveling part of the game consists of quest grinding with horrible story (text is too small to care after awhile too) and endgame is 40 man raids which is just an easy way out of making real good content for the game. F2P may not hit as soon as ESO will, but give it about a year once the whole "fight the ground instead of the enemies" gimmick combat starts to get old.
So who is the clear winner? Any MMO that is not ESO or Wildstar.
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I don't know what kind of endgame you expect from temeparks.But raids, dungeos, adventures, shiphands, arenas,bg's, warplots, it doesn't seem like they took the easy way out to me. They took the easy way out for questing, but you can't say the same about their endgame.
I get that neither are for you but to claim ESO is unplayable is a blatant lie. It is playable and you just don't like it and that's fine.
Have fun playing whatever floats your boat.
I voted that I don't like either one of them. Right now, I can't stand the thought of playing another themepark MMO. I played ESO for a week and got a refund. I played Wildstar for a weekend and was equally unimpressed. I don't go into these games with a pessimistic attitude. I start out very excited for these new MMO's and then about two hours into playing them, my eyes glaze over and I log off.
I'm prone to take frequent breaks from MMO's to avoid being burned out, but I find that lately, I keep taking longer and longer breaks. I'm playing EVE right now because it is so shockingly different from what I'm used to and I'm enjoying it. Maybe I'm just done with themeparks and not the genre as a whole. Time will tell.
You don't want to.
As for the poll, even with AA coming out later this year and Warlords of Draenor as well, 2014 just isn't blowing my skirt up and I choose neither, though I'd rather play ESO if I were FORCED to choose. I didn't have any expectations though so I'm not disappointed.
Grind the same dungeons and quest over and over is what it boils down to. Exactly like all the other games. The 40 man raids are the only aspect of the game that is different then others. PVP is just a spamfest of telegraphs.
I'm with you on that. But it feels kind of moot to complain about themeparks having this kind of endgame. Thats just how it is.
Both have a different feel to it. Wildstar has more quality overall as a game, more features, more social aspects, more content, more challenging, more everything besides voice acted dialogue.
If Wildstar had all that dialogue from quests it would probably be more immersive leveling up but at what cost do we need MMO's to invest so much on only one aspect of the game?
ESO did that and besides questing, the game comes out lacking horribly.
Maybe you like more the fantasy setting, realistic graphics, story and feel of ESO but there's no denying that Wildstar is the superior game overall. It just has a much bigger package.
I don't really like to see the floor flooded with telegraphs all the time but truth is, when you're playing it, it's intense. You know what to avoid, you know what your target is, its just a matter of reflexes and skill how you execute everything. Oh yes, skill matters a lot in this game, there's no stone/paper/scissors combat. Be fast or be dead.