it has some good mechanics like ESO had, but nothing justify the monthly subscription. So soon the issues (which are many also as in ESO) will cover what good the game offers and 3 months after release it will have the half population ...
it has some good mechanics like ESO had, but nothing justify the monthly subscription. So soon the issues (which are many also as in ESO) will cover what good the game offers and 3 months after release it will have the half population ...
The only mmo's worth playing are those with sub. Subscriptions are the great equalizer, and what guarantees that I'll be having the same ingame opportunities to reach my ingame goals as anyone who is standing next to me. Nobody has access to exclusive content, mounts, or weapons to get through dungeons faster, or do that extra +5% damage in PvP that makes all the difference between winning or losing. For that reason I will never, ever play a F2P mmo and consider the subscription a mandatory requeriment for me to even look at the game at all.
Of course there are games like ESO, that have both sub and cash shop. That's so ridiculous that I don't even know how some people even fell in the trap.
There's also you know.. Guild Wars 2 that offers everything with just a one time fee. LotRO could been that way. Then there's the Marvel game where everything's there, just skins optional. Quite a few games that offer more content than any of the sub models for a much better price.
But hey you want to waste $200 bucks a year or so instead of paying the normal $60 ish for a similar experience feel free.
Is this game (or any game for that matter) really worth a $15 monthly sub?
I say no.
With a plethora of great games going (successfully) to non-subscription marketing while still avoiding the pay-to-win nightmare, I dont see how NC Soft will pull this off for long before at least adding in a F2P option.
Seriously, they did it with GW and GW2, why not this game?
The only sub MMO thats stood the test of time successfully is WOW and, well... its WOW.
Not touching this one until they at least remove the sub, I dont mind paying the game price, but times are changing and subs are a thing of the past.
Ask yourself if Wildstar is more fun to you then other MMO games...
if so, ask yourself if 100+ hours a month of fun is worth €12, to me that is money well spend... So if you want to play the game for some reason, the €12 will be not something to withold a smart person from playing the game...
game quallity however is, if there are better more fun free games, then the payment model will fail, as with all other games, its not about the payment model, but about the actuall game quallity
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Is this game (or any game for that matter) really worth a $15 monthly sub?
I say no.
With a plethora of great games going (successfully) to non-subscription marketing while still avoiding the pay-to-win nightmare, I dont see how NC Soft will pull this off for long before at least adding in a F2P option.
Seriously, they did it with GW and GW2, why not this game?
The only sub MMO thats stood the test of time successfully is WOW and, well... its WOW.
Not touching this one until they at least remove the sub, I dont mind paying the game price, but times are changing and subs are a thing of the past.
Ask yourself if Wildstar is more fun to you then other MMO games...
if so, ask yourself if 100+ hours a month of fun is worth €12, to me that is money well spend... So if you want to play the game for some reason, the €12 will be not something to withold a smart person from playing the game...
game quallity however is, if there are better more fun free games, then the payment model will fail, as with all other games, its not about the payment model, but about the actuall game quallity
Lord.Bachus has given the correct answer. This is not a yes or no question. It's subjective. I think it will be worth it, thats just me though,
Is this game (or any game for that matter) really worth a $15 monthly sub?
I say no.
With a plethora of great games going (successfully) to non-subscription marketing while still avoiding the pay-to-win nightmare, I dont see how NC Soft will pull this off for long before at least adding in a F2P option.
Seriously, they did it with GW and GW2, why not this game?
The only sub MMO thats stood the test of time successfully is WOW and, well... its WOW.
Not touching this one until they at least remove the sub, I dont mind paying the game price, but times are changing and subs are a thing of the past.
Originally posted by Dauntis I am completely neutral on this subject. I have an opinion but I firmly believe I am not allowed to express it unless I want to be banned.
Just say the game sucks if you want, or you think it's the greatest thing ever... whatever your opinion may be, just don't tell anyone they're wrong for liking WS if you hate it or vice versa.
I have no opinions on who plays it or likes it, I just don't think it's worth the box price much less a sub. My opinion on this forum probably isn't going to get me banned and it sure as heck isn't going to change any minds, so *shrug*
I will not play Wildstar, but I hope it's worth and this genre can finally get a healthy competitor to next to Wow. About OP's GW and GW2 comparision... If you enjoy them, don't bother into another game and don't care if they fail or not. But, let me ask you, who would play GW2 if it was P2P? Who would play Wildstar as P2P? I know I will not, but many, many, many more will.
As for the game, hell I can just trade in some Xbox 360 games and get the game easy. In fact, 50% additional trade in credit this weekend at my local store. Game price covered.
Oh look, game cards can be bought with credit too.
Just making the point that there are ways to get game time beyond the C.R.E.D.D and money. As for is it worth a sub? Well, that is for the individual to decide. However they want to do it. If they enjoy the game, they will sub. Otherwise, they will go somewhere else.
I love how people actually thing that F2P = free game. It's not free. Actually, in a F2P game, if you're a hard-core gamer, you will be paying the same 14.99 $ by month, maybe even more, for playing, in the form of "improvements". I pay the 14.99$ in every game, F2P or not, just to play the game without being bothered with paywalls.
F2P it's not bad, but it's not free either. P2P, the sub and F2P are just ways to, at the end, pay the same thing. It just change the format, so saying a game it's not worth the fee but it will be great as a F2P, it's just stupid. At the end, you will be paying the same. Or you thing a company will let you play for free? C'mon.
WildStar is the most feature-rich MMO to launch in a very long time, if not ever. Time will tell, though. No one is familiar with the higher levels yet.
I for one am happy to see a new mmo using a subscription model.
I feel this allows the developers more freedom to create content that isn't based on trying to sell players some in game items that separate the free player from the paying player.
They may not be able to brag about having millions of accounts from people that just sign up and play for a few hours, but most of the accounts they do sell will be from people that are more invested and less likely to behave badly.
I haven’t decided yet weather I'll be playing WildStar or not, but I do think that it has a good enough developer team to be a successful mmo.
Success to me isn't having the most players, it's weather or not they can continue to put out steady content and keep a dedicated player base for many years and turn a profit.
EverQuest probably has the longest running dedicated player base going on 16 years and still putting out huge expansions. I don't think any F2P game can do that. I know EverQuest has gone F2P, but the dedicated player base still pays a subscription and buys the latest expansion when they come out.
A good mmo should only need a minimum of 50,000 steady subscribers equaling $749,500 a month to pay the bills and everyone a nice handsome salary as motivation to continue putting out quality content for years to come.
Which developer do you think is more likely to create the best content? The one who's salary is based off of selling in game items? Or the one who's salary is based off of selling the game as a whole.
Leaning toward 'yes' but still haven't pulled the trigger. I wish I had a working crystal ball. If I'm patient and smart about it, I'll wait to purchase and read the player reviews and comments for a few weeks on the aspects of the game I'm interested in and worried about. It would also spare me the frantic, lag-inducing, frustrating mess that is launch, with leveling areas full of people all competing for the same mobs and quest objectives.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Originally posted by Prhyme Your question is impossible to answer since nobody has had to pay for one yet in order to tell you if they see value in it or not. The game seems to be worth it at this point based on my level 1-50 experience, but ask us again in another month after launch.
You dont need to play a game for 6 months to know if its worth a sub these days, NC Soft has successfully produced a number of game that never had a sub and they did great.
Actually you do need to play it and see how the developers back up their promises of creating a service that merits the long-term sub.
I subbed but I am also subbed to ESO. I will give it a real go for launch, if it takes longer then a week to max my leveling i might not play i pretyt much hate leveling.
For me it's worth a sub, but for some others I'm sure it's not. It's all gonna be a matter of opinion?
I mean why does this topic always come up at every game release?
Can't people actually judge for themselves if they like a game or not, why does other people's opinions matter so much to some......
The game has been in Open Beta for 10 days now anyone that has wanted to try it should of had plenty of time to decide if they think it's worth a sub or not..........
Originally posted by Hellidol I subbed but I am also subbed to ESO. I will give it a real go for launch, if it takes longer then a week to max my leveling i might not play i pretyt much hate leveling.
Oh my lord, I mean really if it takes longer then a week to max level you might not play?
It seems this is now the typical mmo gamer if you can't max level in a week then why play.........
I long for the days when it actually took longer then a week to level, it seems now people race to max, then bitch that there is nothing to do then leave for the next game....... It's the same cycle every MMO release.......
This game could never be a sub based game and will never be able to stay as a sub based game if it tries to. This is a game where all the doom and gloom sub failing predictors are actually correct for once. This game was geared for the teen and young adult generation of players who have all accepted Free to Play as the Gold Standard. Its going to be impossible for wildstar to even make great first day sales without the Free to Play at launch.
If this was a game like ESO, Archage, Wow, Lotro, EQ, type game, it would have a chance to have a large sub base of players, but this game isn't even close to that kind of genre where all the sub believers player base is. Sub based models is a dying model, as each new kid enters the mmo gaming world. Wildstar would never be able to gather enough of the old school genre to warrant staying as a sub based game.
I approve of subs if the devs keep the content coming. Wow as an example releases content once every 6 months so not worth it. Wildstar has a plan to release content frequently if they follow through IRS worth it for me. If not I'll stop paying. I don't see the big deal...guess im a big spender with my 50 cents a day.
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sadly it will follow ESO's path ...
it has some good mechanics like ESO had, but nothing justify the monthly subscription. So soon the issues (which are many also as in ESO) will cover what good the game offers and 3 months after release it will have the half population ...
Isn't 50% player retention quite good?
There's also you know.. Guild Wars 2 that offers everything with just a one time fee. LotRO could been that way. Then there's the Marvel game where everything's there, just skins optional. Quite a few games that offer more content than any of the sub models for a much better price.
But hey you want to waste $200 bucks a year or so instead of paying the normal $60 ish for a similar experience feel free.
That just seems a bit inflated for false comfort.
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Ask yourself if Wildstar is more fun to you then other MMO games...
if so, ask yourself if 100+ hours a month of fun is worth €12, to me that is money well spend... So if you want to play the game for some reason, the €12 will be not something to withold a smart person from playing the game...
game quallity however is, if there are better more fun free games, then the payment model will fail, as with all other games, its not about the payment model, but about the actuall game quallity
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Lord.Bachus has given the correct answer. This is not a yes or no question. It's subjective. I think it will be worth it, thats just me though,
Great post.
EVE (10 years strong)
FFXI (5+ years)
FFXIV (1 year+)
Darkfall (2-3 years at least)
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Just say the game sucks if you want, or you think it's the greatest thing ever... whatever your opinion may be, just don't tell anyone they're wrong for liking WS if you hate it or vice versa.
I have no opinions on who plays it or likes it, I just don't think it's worth the box price much less a sub. My opinion on this forum probably isn't going to get me banned and it sure as heck isn't going to change any minds, so *shrug*
I know I am willing to throw some time in.
As for the game, hell I can just trade in some Xbox 360 games and get the game easy. In fact, 50% additional trade in credit this weekend at my local store. Game price covered.
Oh look, game cards can be bought with credit too.
Just making the point that there are ways to get game time beyond the C.R.E.D.D and money. As for is it worth a sub? Well, that is for the individual to decide. However they want to do it. If they enjoy the game, they will sub. Otherwise, they will go somewhere else.
Dang long thread for something so simple....
I love how people actually thing that F2P = free game. It's not free. Actually, in a F2P game, if you're a hard-core gamer, you will be paying the same 14.99 $ by month, maybe even more, for playing, in the form of "improvements". I pay the 14.99$ in every game, F2P or not, just to play the game without being bothered with paywalls.
F2P it's not bad, but it's not free either. P2P, the sub and F2P are just ways to, at the end, pay the same thing. It just change the format, so saying a game it's not worth the fee but it will be great as a F2P, it's just stupid. At the end, you will be paying the same. Or you thing a company will let you play for free? C'mon.
I for one am happy to see a new mmo using a subscription model.
I feel this allows the developers more freedom to create content that isn't based on trying to sell players some in game items that separate the free player from the paying player.
They may not be able to brag about having millions of accounts from people that just sign up and play for a few hours, but most of the accounts they do sell will be from people that are more invested and less likely to behave badly.
I haven’t decided yet weather I'll be playing WildStar or not, but I do think that it has a good enough developer team to be a successful mmo.
Success to me isn't having the most players, it's weather or not they can continue to put out steady content and keep a dedicated player base for many years and turn a profit.
EverQuest probably has the longest running dedicated player base going on 16 years and still putting out huge expansions. I don't think any F2P game can do that. I know EverQuest has gone F2P, but the dedicated player base still pays a subscription and buys the latest expansion when they come out.
A good mmo should only need a minimum of 50,000 steady subscribers equaling $749,500 a month to pay the bills and everyone a nice handsome salary as motivation to continue putting out quality content for years to come.
Which developer do you think is more likely to create the best content? The one who's salary is based off of selling in game items? Or the one who's salary is based off of selling the game as a whole.
if it costs me €13 to never see you in a game, then so be it.
Leaning toward 'yes' but still haven't pulled the trigger. I wish I had a working crystal ball. If I'm patient and smart about it, I'll wait to purchase and read the player reviews and comments for a few weeks on the aspects of the game I'm interested in and worried about. It would also spare me the frantic, lag-inducing, frustrating mess that is launch, with leveling areas full of people all competing for the same mobs and quest objectives.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Actually you do need to play it and see how the developers back up their promises of creating a service that merits the long-term sub.
Youre better off playing single player games then as those are one time fee to see noone else around also ;P
For me it's worth a sub, but for some others I'm sure it's not. It's all gonna be a matter of opinion?
I mean why does this topic always come up at every game release?
Can't people actually judge for themselves if they like a game or not, why does other people's opinions matter so much to some......
The game has been in Open Beta for 10 days now anyone that has wanted to try it should of had plenty of time to decide if they think it's worth a sub or not..........
Oh my lord, I mean really if it takes longer then a week to max level you might not play?
It seems this is now the typical mmo gamer if you can't max level in a week then why play.........
I long for the days when it actually took longer then a week to level, it seems now people race to max, then bitch that there is nothing to do then leave for the next game....... It's the same cycle every MMO release.......
This game could never be a sub based game and will never be able to stay as a sub based game if it tries to. This is a game where all the doom and gloom sub failing predictors are actually correct for once. This game was geared for the teen and young adult generation of players who have all accepted Free to Play as the Gold Standard. Its going to be impossible for wildstar to even make great first day sales without the Free to Play at launch.
If this was a game like ESO, Archage, Wow, Lotro, EQ, type game, it would have a chance to have a large sub base of players, but this game isn't even close to that kind of genre where all the sub believers player base is. Sub based models is a dying model, as each new kid enters the mmo gaming world. Wildstar would never be able to gather enough of the old school genre to warrant staying as a sub based game.
I say it is worth the sub
agree to disagree
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