Where did i say anything about speed or who shot first ?
If you are all fine with founders having weapons and vehicles that are better in certain situations than non founders ( who btw cant obtain those veh and weapons ) then dont cry once game turns into most obvious P2W title.
And if this is the path that they wonna fallow then I am happy that i wont be part of it. And find me 1 successful MMO where certain weapons ( not weapon skins ) are locked to founders only...
If you knew the whole story you may have a leg to stand on. But you don't so you sound very ignorant.
The balance is there, there will not be mirrored classes, nothing will be OP or pay to win. You are only going off one part of the conversation and you are missing most of what was discussed about the topic on the official forums. Even the people that have said they are going to buy founders pack, have said they will not put up with Pay to win.
Seriously, go learn something about what you are trying to talk about before you run your mouth.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Where did i say anything about speed or who shot first ?
If you are all fine with founders having weapons and vehicles that are better in certain situations than non founders ( who btw cant obtain those veh and weapons ) then dont cry once game turns into most obvious P2W title.
And if this is the path that they wonna fallow then I am happy that i wont be part of it. And find me 1 successful MMO where certain weapons ( not weapon skins ) are locked to founders only...
If you knew the whole story you may have a leg to stand on. But you don't so you sound very ignorant.
The balance is there, there will not be mirrored classes, nothing will be OP or pay to win. You are only going off one part of the conversation and you are missing most of what was discussed about the topic on the official forums. Even the people that have said they are going to buy founders pack, have said they will not put up with Pay to win.
Seriously, go learn something about what you are trying to talk about before you run your mouth.
First you should learn some manners before you try to communicate with someone. I have been on official forums since start and watching this game development very closely.
Main reason i post about this game is since I care about it and love 40k Universe, dont want another Dark Millenium.
This game got it things right and only problem i have with is the one I am posting about. If you actually read smth I wrote here and on EC forums you wouldn't write your no value post.
Thank You Miguel for your post, I appreciate your response but I still remain a bit worried about ''unique gameplay elements'' stuff.
I believe it will only bring more problems and bad hype than positive ones. People who want to buy founder pack would do so even without ''gameplay elements''.
If those weapons/vehicles prove to be the best option for certain scenarios non founders would be quite gimped and angry. Especially since they wont be available for them to acquire.
As for XP booster I never complained about them and find them ok. I do think founders should get them and its strange when I see ppl finding them non fair towards non founders in EC forum poll.
As for DamonVile no one here is complaining here about F2P ork boys. Stuff we are talking about is should founders have gameplay elements that other ppl who buy game on release wont have. Anyway F2P ork boys look more like trial to me and I am more then happy this game took B2P route like GW2 and Star Citizen.
-Last regarding sidegrade. What you are actually saying is TRUE but your conclusion is flawed mainly since PLAYERS CANT KNOW IN ADVENCE WHAT THE SITUATION WILL BE IN THE BATTLEFIELD. To switch build you need to die first (that mean if you paid... well you did not win.. your dead!) then you can switch to a sidegrade that you ''feel'' (not know) could be better but then again.... in a massive battles with hundreds of players 5 min has passed and what you felt might be irrelevent again.
Like Sun Tzu said: A plan (sidegrade) is only good until the first arrow is shoot.
Regard
p.s. As you learn to know me more. I have tons of weakness but DODGING is certainly not one of them.... quite the opposite. Looking forward to dodge your skilled attack in game Brother. :-)
Well that is one of the the things I am worried about.
Lets say my faction is fighting at medium to close range in lets say enemy fort. Now for example I am quite aware that my Founder bolter has less range but does more dmg compared to standard (non founder) one.
I am most likely to equip it since i wont be shooting at great distance and range means nothing to me so I want to kill my enemy faster.
Wouldn't I have advantage over plalyers who don't have access to founder bolter ?
As for death, what stops me form dying and coming back 30 seconds with loadout that is better suited for given scenario ( lets say taking my founder bolter for close/ medium range combat) ?
And I will pull parallel with Planetside 2 thats seems somehow similar to EC.
If I am fighting in enemy base I am most likely gonna take Heavy or MAX since they can take and deal more dmg than Engineer. And if I die as Engi I just take Heavy, spawn at my sunderer and back in action after 30 seconds or less and siege still last next 30 min.
I dont think it will be that hard to predict what kind of loadout to pick for upcoming situation or I am wrong..... ( and as I said even when I die what stops me form coming back after 30 sec, with more suitable loadout ? )
Well i believe this game is pay to access with some options which are free, but certainly is not free to play. If you approach this game as a f2p then you do wrong.
also
"if you are a regular visitor and contributor on the Eternal Crusade forums, these articles are not for you." this goes for every MMO. I log in here in MMORPG.com just to learn news from MMOs which i dont play, i dont care. For the one i care i go at their official forum, or any fansite forum ... ; )
Good effort at article but as you can see its wasted. People are still spreading faulty information about the game.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
I hope the game goes p2w. Not because I actually think there will be some outrageous advantage given to people but because it will drive away all the parasites the mmo industry has attracted with the word free.
Any game that can get rid of these people are doing something right in my books.
I have nothing against free players. I play lots of games free. But once you start to think you're entitled to everything a paying player has and games shouldn't charge for anything...you've become a parasite on the industry and you not playing will only make it better for everyone else.
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
I was really looking forward to Dark millennium that was starting to look like it would be a great MMO such a shame they went bankrupt and shutdown. Then I heard about Eternal crusade and thought cool still getting a 40k mmo but the more I read about the more I loose interest its becoming less a MMO and more a p2w 3rd person generic shooter with the 40k license slapped on it.
I hope the game goes p2w. Not because I actually think there will be some outrageous advantage given to people but because it will drive away all the parasites the mmo industry has attracted with the word free.
Any game that can get rid of these people are doing something right in my books.
I have nothing against free players. I play lots of games free. But once you start to think you're entitled to everything a paying player has and games shouldn't charge for anything...you've become a parasite on the industry and you not playing will only make it better for everyone else.
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
The I hope it goes p2w was sarcasm. 99% of the time that term gets used it's coming from someone that thinks if the game charges for anything it's p2w. And I didn't say it would drive them away from the industry. I said the word free has brought them into it. If they could stop them from playing their game, they'd be better off.
The part in red.... that's not what these parasites believe. Premium tanks and premium accounts also go on their p2w list. So sorry you don't get to call yourself one of the people I was talking about.
I hope the game goes p2w. Not because I actually think there will be some outrageous advantage given to people but because it will drive away all the parasites the mmo industry has attracted with the word free.
Any game that can get rid of these people are doing something right in my books.
I have nothing against free players. I play lots of games free. But once you start to think you're entitled to everything a paying player has and games shouldn't charge for anything...you've become a parasite on the industry and you not playing will only make it better for everyone else.
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
The I hope it goes p2w was sarcasm. 99% of the time that term gets used it's coming from someone that thinks if the game charges for anything it's p2w. And I didn't say it would drive them away from the industry. I said the word free has brought them into it. If they could stop them from playing their game, they'd be better off.
The part in red.... that's not what these parasites believe. Premium tanks and premium accounts also go on their p2w list. So sorry you don't get to call yourself one of the people I was talking about.
Then... you are talking to maybe...50-100 people in this entire community o.O
I hope the game goes p2w. Not because I actually think there will be some outrageous advantage given to people but because it will drive away all the parasites the mmo industry has attracted with the word free.
Any game that can get rid of these people are doing something right in my books.
I have nothing against free players. I play lots of games free. But once you start to think you're entitled to everything a paying player has and games shouldn't charge for anything...you've become a parasite on the industry and you not playing will only make it better for everyone else.
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
The I hope it goes p2w was sarcasm. 99% of the time that term gets used it's coming from someone that thinks if the game charges for anything it's p2w. And I didn't say it would drive them away from the industry. I said the word free has brought them into it. If they could stop them from playing their game, they'd be better off.
The part in red.... that's not what these parasites believe. Premium tanks and premium accounts also go on their p2w list. So sorry you don't get to call yourself one of the people I was talking about.
Then... you are talking to maybe...50-100 people in this entire community o.O
I hope the game goes p2w. Not because I actually think there will be some outrageous advantage given to people but because it will drive away all the parasites the mmo industry has attracted with the word free.
Any game that can get rid of these people are doing something right in my books.
I have nothing against free players. I play lots of games free. But once you start to think you're entitled to everything a paying player has and games shouldn't charge for anything...you've become a parasite on the industry and you not playing will only make it better for everyone else.
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
The I hope it goes p2w was sarcasm. 99% of the time that term gets used it's coming from someone that thinks if the game charges for anything it's p2w. And I didn't say it would drive them away from the industry. I said the word free has brought them into it. If they could stop them from playing their game, they'd be better off.
The part in red.... that's not what these parasites believe. Premium tanks and premium accounts also go on their p2w list. So sorry you don't get to call yourself one of the people I was talking about.
Then... you are talking to maybe...50-100 people in this entire community o.O
lol yeah.....sure.
Really is that small a number... most F2P advocates say to make the cash shop as non-intrusive as possible and may come off sounding like they want everything for free but not really... if you phrase your questions right you'll notice only a scant minority of the F2P crowd really wants that.
It sounds like they're doing pretty much the same thing that CCP did with Dust.
Pay to win is used as a crutch for people to have something to blame. Instead of losing to someone better they can rant that they lost because that person used gear off the cash shop.
You know, like how before there was ever such a thing as a cash shop people would accuse each other of "hacks" in an online shooter.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
Where did i say anything about speed or who shot first ?
If you are all fine with founders having weapons and vehicles that are better in certain situations than non founders ( who btw cant obtain those veh and weapons ) then dont cry once game turns into most obvious P2W title.
And if this is the path that they wonna fallow then I am happy that i wont be part of it. And find me 1 successful MMO where certain weapons ( not weapon skins ) are locked to founders only...
If you knew the whole story you may have a leg to stand on. But you don't so you sound very ignorant.
The balance is there, there will not be mirrored classes, nothing will be OP or pay to win. You are only going off one part of the conversation and you are missing most of what was discussed about the topic on the official forums. Even the people that have said they are going to buy founders pack, have said they will not put up with Pay to win.
Seriously, go learn something about what you are trying to talk about before you run your mouth.
First you should learn some manners before you try to communicate with someone. I have been on official forums since start and watching this game development very closely.
Main reason i post about this game is since I care about it and love 40k Universe, dont want another Dark Millenium.
This game got it things right and only problem i have with is the one I am posting about. If you actually read smth I wrote here and on EC forums you wouldn't write your no value post.
Thank You Miguel for your post, I appreciate your response but I still remain a bit worried about ''unique gameplay elements'' stuff.
I believe it will only bring more problems and bad hype than positive ones. People who want to buy founder pack would do so even without ''gameplay elements''.
If those weapons/vehicles prove to be the best option for certain scenarios non founders would be quite gimped and angry. Especially since they wont be available for them to acquire.
As for XP booster I never complained about them and find them ok. I do think founders should get them and its strange when I see ppl finding them non fair towards non founders in EC forum poll.
As for DamonVile no one here is complaining here about F2P ork boys. Stuff we are talking about is should founders have gameplay elements that other ppl who buy game on release wont have. Anyway F2P ork boys look more like trial to me and I am more then happy this game took B2P route like GW2 and Star Citizen.
First, I don't need manners to deal with ignorance. Your hostile post in any event would preclude using any type of manners. 2nd if you had been on the official forums since they opened (as I have) you would know your stance is bullshit. So again, I am stating you are basing your assumptions off ignorance.
Most of what you say has no value and is again based on ignorance. But when you do finally go to to the official forums and figure some things out, then come back, and we will talk then. Until that point, you are just having a typing tantrum and looking for attention, which I will no longer give you.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read. you cleary have no info about the game.
chapter/craftword etc etc are game subfaction(for all), not skin, the game don't allow you to change chapter skin as you like there is 5 chapter (4 announced).
you talk from the start of the topic and don't have the essential info about the game.
The discussion is about unique gameplay element for founder.
is not better instead only cosmetic unique element for founder?
there is an enourmous amount of customization in war 40k to give founder cosmetic and still having plenty of cosmetic item for all the player.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
Grota. Go pkay some non triple A mmorpgs which are f2p and come back here and telk us EC is going to be most p2w game ever.
Wow what a sweeping statement with zero evidence to back it up.
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you. It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever' Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
you clearly have read no info about the game.
lol at the "dow boy"
"
Tell me about the Space Marine faction.
Space Marine chapters at launch include (at least) the Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
Characters such as Assault Marines, Devastators, Apothecaries and Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Ork faction.
Ork clans at launch include (at least) the Evil Sunz, Bad Moons, Deathskulls and Goffs.
Characters such as Stormyboyz, Lootas, Mekboys & Meganobz feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Chaos legions at launch include (at least) the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Night Lords.
Characters such as Chosen, Havocs, Raptors & Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Eldar faction.
Eldar craftworld at launch include (at least) Iyanden, Ulthwé, Saim-Hann, and Biel-tan.
Characters such as Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Wraithguards and Warlocks feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
"
Tell me where it says that each sub-faction won't have its own flavor? it would piss off a hell of allot of people if they didn't in which case tell me where do cosmetics fit in then.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
you clearly have read no info about the game.
lol at the "dow boy"
"
Tell me about the Space Marine faction.
Space Marine chapters at launch include (at least) the Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
Characters such as Assault Marines, Devastators, Apothecaries and Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Ork faction.
Ork clans at launch include (at least) the Evil Sunz, Bad Moons, Deathskulls and Goffs.
Characters such as Stormyboyz, Lootas, Mekboys & Meganobz feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Chaos legions at launch include (at least) the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Night Lords.
Characters such as Chosen, Havocs, Raptors & Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Eldar faction.
Eldar craftworld at launch include (at least) Iyanden, Ulthwé, Saim-Hann, and Biel-tan.
Characters such as Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Wraithguards and Warlocks feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
"
Tell me where it says that each sub-faction won't have its own flavor? it would piss off a hell of allot of people if they didn't in which case tell me where do cosmetics fit in then.
so you copypasted here the site faq? for what purpose?
Who say that is needed to lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only?
Not me.
I don't have idea why you are talking about that chapter/craftword are subfaction not something only cosmetic.
I say the item shop of the game (and the founder program) are more fair and still sucesfull only with cosmetic item(because war 40k love cosmetic and personalization).
The lore and background of war 40k, is FULL of pattern and small variant in item.
think about purity seal for space marine armor, think about trophy, think about different shape of helmet , spike decoration on armor etc etc...
all faction and subfaction have a lot of decorative and cosmetic:
take as example the robe of a dark angel space marine.
Or a wolf pelt for a space wolf space marine...
really the possibilities are endless in the war 40k background.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
you clearly have read no info about the game.
lol at the "dow boy"
"
Tell me about the Space Marine faction.
Space Marine chapters at launch include (at least) the Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
Characters such as Assault Marines, Devastators, Apothecaries and Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Ork faction.
Ork clans at launch include (at least) the Evil Sunz, Bad Moons, Deathskulls and Goffs.
Characters such as Stormyboyz, Lootas, Mekboys & Meganobz feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Chaos legions at launch include (at least) the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Night Lords.
Characters such as Chosen, Havocs, Raptors & Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Eldar faction.
Eldar craftworld at launch include (at least) Iyanden, Ulthwé, Saim-Hann, and Biel-tan.
Characters such as Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Wraithguards and Warlocks feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
"
Tell me where it says that each sub-faction won't have its own flavor? it would piss off a hell of allot of people if they didn't in which case tell me where do cosmetics fit in then.
so you copypasted here the site faq? for what purpose?
Who say that is needed to lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only?
Not me.
I don't have idea why you are talking about that chapter/craftword are subfaction not something only cosmetic.
I say the item shop of the game (and the founder program) are more fair and still sucesfull (because war 40k love cosmetic and personalization).
The lore and background of war 40k, is FULL of pattern and small variant in item.
think about purity seal for space marine armor, think about trophy, think about different shape of helmet , spike decoration on armor etc etc...
all faction and subfaction have a lot of decorative and cosmetic:
take as example the robe of a dark angel space marine.
Or a wolf pelt for a space wolf space marine...
really the possibilities are endless in the war 40k background.
Purity seals ward against demonic influence and mechanical faults, trophies are usually demonic fetishes for chaos, authority marks for orks, different patterns of helm offer different bonuses (go look up corvus vs aquilla), spike decorations increase melee damage/protection.
The robe of a Dark Angel is something specific to their chapter, selling that on top of the class would earn immeasurable ire, same with the wolf pelt of a Space Wolf. Go look it up in the lore before talking from arse.
Originally posted by grigdusher Someone don't agree that a pure cosmetic founder( and in game shop) is simply better?
You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
you don't read.
You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
you clearly have read no info about the game.
lol at the "dow boy"
"
Tell me about the Space Marine faction.
Space Marine chapters at launch include (at least) the Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
Characters such as Assault Marines, Devastators, Apothecaries and Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Ork faction.
Ork clans at launch include (at least) the Evil Sunz, Bad Moons, Deathskulls and Goffs.
Characters such as Stormyboyz, Lootas, Mekboys & Meganobz feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Chaos legions at launch include (at least) the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Night Lords.
Characters such as Chosen, Havocs, Raptors & Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Eldar faction.
Eldar craftworld at launch include (at least) Iyanden, Ulthwé, Saim-Hann, and Biel-tan.
Characters such as Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Wraithguards and Warlocks feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
"
Tell me where it says that each sub-faction won't have its own flavor? it would piss off a hell of allot of people if they didn't in which case tell me where do cosmetics fit in then.
so you copypasted here the site faq? for what purpose?
Who say that is needed to lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only?
Not me.
I don't have idea why you are talking about that chapter/craftword are subfaction not something only cosmetic.
I say the item shop of the game (and the founder program) are more fair and still sucesfull (because war 40k love cosmetic and personalization).
The lore and background of war 40k, is FULL of pattern and small variant in item.
think about purity seal for space marine armor, think about trophy, think about different shape of helmet , spike decoration on armor etc etc...
all faction and subfaction have a lot of decorative and cosmetic:
take as example the robe of a dark angel space marine.
Or a wolf pelt for a space wolf space marine...
really the possibilities are endless in the war 40k background.
Purity seals ward against demonic influence and mechanical faults, trophies are usually demonic fetishes for chaos, authority marks for orks, different patterns of helm offer different bonuses (go look up corvus vs aquilla), spike decorations increase melee damage/protection.
The robe of a Dark Angel is something specific to their chapter, selling that on top of the class would earn immeasurable ire, same with the wolf pelt of a Space Wolf. Go look it up in the lore before talking from arse.
I think you are doing it on purpose.
So basically for you if in EC sell cosmetic robe people get angry but if they sell side grade weapon hero class vehicles is perfecly fine?
if you really belive that cosmetic item are impossibile in a war 40k give direclty the feedback to the dev because cosmetic are considered already inside the founder program:
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If you knew the whole story you may have a leg to stand on. But you don't so you sound very ignorant.
The balance is there, there will not be mirrored classes, nothing will be OP or pay to win. You are only going off one part of the conversation and you are missing most of what was discussed about the topic on the official forums. Even the people that have said they are going to buy founders pack, have said they will not put up with Pay to win.
Seriously, go learn something about what you are trying to talk about before you run your mouth.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
First you should learn some manners before you try to communicate with someone. I have been on official forums since start and watching this game development very closely.
Main reason i post about this game is since I care about it and love 40k Universe, dont want another Dark Millenium.
This game got it things right and only problem i have with is the one I am posting about. If you actually read smth I wrote here and on EC forums you wouldn't write your no value post.
Thank You Miguel for your post, I appreciate your response but I still remain a bit worried about ''unique gameplay elements'' stuff.
I believe it will only bring more problems and bad hype than positive ones. People who want to buy founder pack would do so even without ''gameplay elements''.
If those weapons/vehicles prove to be the best option for certain scenarios non founders would be quite gimped and angry. Especially since they wont be available for them to acquire.
As for XP booster I never complained about them and find them ok. I do think founders should get them and its strange when I see ppl finding them non fair towards non founders in EC forum poll.
As for DamonVile no one here is complaining here about F2P ork boys. Stuff we are talking about is should founders have gameplay elements that other ppl who buy game on release wont have. Anyway F2P ork boys look more like trial to me and I am more then happy this game took B2P route like GW2 and Star Citizen.
Well that is one of the the things I am worried about.
Lets say my faction is fighting at medium to close range in lets say enemy fort. Now for example I am quite aware that my Founder bolter has less range but does more dmg compared to standard (non founder) one.
I am most likely to equip it since i wont be shooting at great distance and range means nothing to me so I want to kill my enemy faster.
Wouldn't I have advantage over plalyers who don't have access to founder bolter ?
As for death, what stops me form dying and coming back 30 seconds with loadout that is better suited for given scenario ( lets say taking my founder bolter for close/ medium range combat) ?
And I will pull parallel with Planetside 2 thats seems somehow similar to EC.
If I am fighting in enemy base I am most likely gonna take Heavy or MAX since they can take and deal more dmg than Engineer. And if I die as Engi I just take Heavy, spawn at my sunderer and back in action after 30 seconds or less and siege still last next 30 min.
I dont think it will be that hard to predict what kind of loadout to pick for upcoming situation or I am wrong..... ( and as I said even when I die what stops me form coming back after 30 sec, with more suitable loadout ? )
what you guys argue about is just an example for easy understanding prupose, i dont think they make game broking differences.
Well i believe this game is pay to access with some options which are free, but certainly is not free to play. If you approach this game as a f2p then you do wrong.
also
"if you are a regular visitor and contributor on the Eternal Crusade forums, these articles are not for you." this goes for every MMO. I log in here in MMORPG.com just to learn news from MMOs which i dont play, i dont care. For the one i care i go at their official forum, or any fansite forum ... ; )
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
A niche title going p2w will drive away all the "parasites" from the industry? Dude do not drink and post... I doubt even if Archeage went heavy p2w it would drive most of us , people who want a F2P game to mean F2P with the only advantages a cash shop has are grind skip, side-grade weapons for at most middle tier gear and cosmetics, but what it will do is sink the community by large into a massive war as to what is and isn't P2W... again...
Oh and in games like World of Tanks and War Thunder you are entitled to everything a paying player is... you are just also entitled to work yer ass off for it as well. GG on that logic tho.
The I hope it goes p2w was sarcasm. 99% of the time that term gets used it's coming from someone that thinks if the game charges for anything it's p2w. And I didn't say it would drive them away from the industry. I said the word free has brought them into it. If they could stop them from playing their game, they'd be better off.
The part in red.... that's not what these parasites believe. Premium tanks and premium accounts also go on their p2w list. So sorry you don't get to call yourself one of the people I was talking about.
Then... you are talking to maybe...50-100 people in this entire community o.O
lol yeah.....sure.
Really is that small a number... most F2P advocates say to make the cash shop as non-intrusive as possible and may come off sounding like they want everything for free but not really... if you phrase your questions right you'll notice only a scant minority of the F2P crowd really wants that.
It sounds like they're doing pretty much the same thing that CCP did with Dust.
Pay to win is used as a crutch for people to have something to blame. Instead of losing to someone better they can rant that they lost because that person used gear off the cash shop.
You know, like how before there was ever such a thing as a cash shop people would accuse each other of "hacks" in an online shooter.
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You want to lock away mastercrafted, artifact, etc stuff behind founder paywall? Think in Warhammer 40.000 what has only cosmetic differences and you will quickly see you either have something that has stats or you lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only.
First, I don't need manners to deal with ignorance. Your hostile post in any event would preclude using any type of manners. 2nd if you had been on the official forums since they opened (as I have) you would know your stance is bullshit. So again, I am stating you are basing your assumptions off ignorance.
Most of what you say has no value and is again based on ignorance. But when you do finally go to to the official forums and figure some things out, then come back, and we will talk then. Until that point, you are just having a typing tantrum and looking for attention, which I will no longer give you.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
you don't read. you cleary have no info about the game.
chapter/craftword etc etc are game subfaction(for all), not skin, the game don't allow you to change chapter skin as you like there is 5 chapter (4 announced).
you talk from the start of the topic and don't have the essential info about the game.
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You are a DoW boy because pure cosmetics do not exist in Warhammer 40.000, everything is linked to something (either cheaper weapons, more specialized weapons, etc).
you clearly have read no info about the game.
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Wow what a sweeping statement with zero evidence to back it up.
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
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Tell me about the Space Marine faction.
Space Marine chapters at launch include (at least) the Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.
Characters such as Assault Marines, Devastators, Apothecaries and Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Ork faction.
Ork clans at launch include (at least) the Evil Sunz, Bad Moons, Deathskulls and Goffs.
Characters such as Stormyboyz, Lootas, Mekboys & Meganobz feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Chaos Space Marine faction.
Chaos legions at launch include (at least) the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, and Night Lords.
Characters such as Chosen, Havocs, Raptors & Terminators feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
Tell me about the Eldar faction.
Eldar craftworld at launch include (at least) Iyanden, Ulthwé, Saim-Hann, and Biel-tan.
Characters such as Dark Reapers, Dire Avengers, Wraithguards and Warlocks feature in the game, but the official class roster has not been announced yet.
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Tell me where it says that each sub-faction won't have its own flavor? it would piss off a hell of allot of people if they didn't in which case tell me where do cosmetics fit in then.
so you copypasted here the site faq? for what purpose?
Who say that is needed to lock away chapters, craftworlds, etc to founders only?
Not me.
I don't have idea why you are talking about that chapter/craftword are subfaction not something only cosmetic.
I say the item shop of the game (and the founder program) are more fair and still sucesfull only with cosmetic item(because war 40k love cosmetic and personalization).
The lore and background of war 40k, is FULL of pattern and small variant in item.
think about purity seal for space marine armor, think about trophy, think about different shape of helmet , spike decoration on armor etc etc...
all faction and subfaction have a lot of decorative and cosmetic:
take as example the robe of a dark angel space marine.
Or a wolf pelt for a space wolf space marine...
really the possibilities are endless in the war 40k background.
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Purity seals ward against demonic influence and mechanical faults, trophies are usually demonic fetishes for chaos, authority marks for orks, different patterns of helm offer different bonuses (go look up corvus vs aquilla), spike decorations increase melee damage/protection.
The robe of a Dark Angel is something specific to their chapter, selling that on top of the class would earn immeasurable ire, same with the wolf pelt of a Space Wolf. Go look it up in the lore before talking from arse.
Games Workshop has always been about Pay to Win.
Why would a video game be different from their tabletop?
I think you are doing it on purpose.
So basically for you if in EC sell cosmetic robe people get angry but if they sell side grade weapon hero class vehicles is perfecly fine?
if you really belive that cosmetic item are impossibile in a war 40k give direclty the feedback to the dev because cosmetic are considered already inside the founder program:
http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/aesthetic-items.18392/
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