I guess you just only want to change the conversation. Let me know when you can discuss something without changing the conversation anytime you are not happy with how its going for you.
ROFL..You made no point that countered anything I said, I think you might want to reverse that one on to yourself. You're the one that tried changing (our conversation) into something else after all.
Here's where our conversation started...in case you're lost which it seems you are... As you can see it's perfectly on point to what you said...
Deathsmind....."Or maybe they base it on how good a game is...A game that a majority quit playing due to bugs in the game or a game that is very well polished...Which would you play? "
Me..."Maybe they base it on the games the like? Saying they base it on what's good implies there is some universal means of identifying a good or bad game. There isn't, outside of a game not working at all, or having no actual gameplay to comment on."
and if you go up from the conversation I replied to, we were talking about ESO...Like I said, the kid who walks up to a group of people and start laughing at the end of the joke...
ROFL this is a discussion forum, you wrote something I didn't agree with I responded, now you're crying about it. Looks more like you're the kid that always has to be right. When you're not you pull this BS. It's like you're trying to annoy me into submission, sorry it won't work.
Im sorry you feel that way. Im just trying to talk about what we were talking about. If you didnt keep changing the subject we could have a conversation. Trying to change the subject is a sign that you lost already...Ill just leave you be, you wont be happy until we have changed the conversation 1000 times and are talking about something unrelated to the entire conversation. If being right is wrong in your world I guess that explains why you enjoy being wrong.
Im sorry you feel that way. Im just trying to talk about what we were talking about. If you didnt keep changing the subject we could have a conversation. Trying to change the subject is a sign that you lost already...Ill just leave you be, you wont be happy until we have changed the conversation 1000 times and are talking about something unrelated to the entire conversation.
I tried though.
I'm talking about reviews, that's the subject here, not ESO vs WS... I have no interest in which is better or which is winning in the court of public opinion. Sorry I find that topic rather petty and juvenile. My original comment was rather harmless, it was a mere observation based on many different reviews and those who write them. I didn't change the conversation, I talked about a small part of it, a correction if you will. You didn't agree so I gave examples to show how I come to such conclusions again harmless, you couldn't A ignore it if you didn't want to go there. B: respond to what I said rationally without resorting to sidetrack what I said by calling me a kid. That's where the derail started still I tried to keep on the subject of reviews and still you want to talk about me. With that I'm done.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Im sorry you feel that way. Im just trying to talk about what we were talking about. If you didnt keep changing the subject we could have a conversation. Trying to change the subject is a sign that you lost already...Ill just leave you be, you wont be happy until we have changed the conversation 1000 times and are talking about something unrelated to the entire conversation.
I tried though.
I'm talking about reviews, that's the subject here, not ESO vs WS... I have no interest in which is better or which is winning in the court of public opinion. Sorry I find that topic rather petty and juvenile. My original comment was rather harmless, it was a mere observation based on many different reviews and those who write them. I didn't change the conversation, I talked about a small part of it, a correction if you will. You didn't agree so I gave examples to show how I come to such conclusions again harmless, you couldn't A ignore it if you didn't want to go there. B: respond to what I said rationally without resorting to sidetrack what I said by calling me a kid. That's where the derail started still I tried to keep on the subject of reviews and still you want to talk about me. With that I'm done.
Originally posted by Crusades You have to judge them by what they are and not what they can be. Wildstar deserves an excellent score. It's easy to compare ESO and Wildstar since the launch was so close. ESO could have been a better game, the potential for a mmorpg that was Elder Scrolls based couldn't be any better, however the execution in creating that experience was very lackluster. Wildstar on the flip side, though far from perfect very far, at any rate Wildstar has nothingotoo game breaking and it was an entirely new ip. Expectations were not at the same level as "Skyrim Online" nevertheless compared side by side, factor out all the expectations and Wildstar is just overall a more rounded and complete mmorpg experience.
It seems to me like this is largely what is going on. The people who are reviewing these games had a lot of expectations for ESO and were disappointed it didn't live up to them (how could it ever?) and people are willing to give Wildstar a little more slack because it was just suppose to be another WoW clone.
Both games have their strengths and weaknesses in my mind but the difference in score the two are getting is pretty large. I always thought that ESO's score is to low if judged on what the game is and not what people think it should have been being a Elder Scrolls game and given how much I value questing in modern MMO's I think Wildstars is a little higher than it should be. I'm not so fast to write off boring blur induced hub based questing like most people seem to be no matter how engaging the end game may be.
Waiting to see where this ends up after a couple of months as far as user reviews go. I imagine there will be some fallout in this game once people realize the end game in this game is 20 and 40 man content. I'm sure there will be plenty of side things to do, but if for whatever reason you can't partake in the pinnacle of the content, that will surely drive away some people.
Originally posted by Saxx0n The advertising money needs to keep rolling in.
Agreed and its why I haven't trusted theirs and many others reviews. To be completely honest, SOME of the people on here are fair more objective and specific in their reviews for my likings.
Originally posted by BeansnBread I can't wait for the "they were paid" posts. Pretty much every ESO superfan (this excludes people that like the game for what it is) must believe that Zenimax never paid anything to reviewers and Carbine did. When all is said and done, I'd guess that Wildstar gets and 87ish score and we can see that ESO has a 72. It'll be interesting to see how the superfans of ESO reconcile this discrepancy.
And what difference dies it make if ESO fanbois don't agree or if Carbine did pay for a positive review? I wouldn't be surprised if all the major publishers did.
I for one like ESO and can't stand anything about WS. It doesn't hurt my feelings that someone else gave WS a good rating. Besides, I could care less which magazine likes WS or hates ESO. I am having tons of fun playing ESO and that's what I base my opinion on, not what someone else writes about it or another game.
No one game will ever please everyone, period. Have fun playing WS though. We'll enjoy our chosen games separately it appears and there's nothing wrong with that. Happy hunting!
Originally posted by BeansnBread I can't wait for the "they were paid" posts. Pretty much every ESO superfan (this excludes people that like the game for what it is) must believe that Zenimax never paid anything to reviewers and Carbine did. When all is said and done, I'd guess that Wildstar gets and 87ish score and we can see that ESO has a 72. It'll be interesting to see how the superfans of ESO reconcile this discrepancy.
Im an eso superfan. Played it through to Vet 1 now bored with it. But Wildstar is 10 times better than ESO. PC Gamer got it right. Wildstar has a few annoying bugs. But PC Gamers review and comments that ESO is sterile are correct.
Leveling 25 is way too short and limited a time for an objective review of a MMO. I read and enjoy PC GAMER but they jumped the gun. It would be like watching the first 30-40% of a movie and then posting a review, ridiculous.
Originally posted by Insurgent99 Leveling 25 is way too short and limited a time for an objective review of a MMO. I read and enjoy PC GAMER but they jumped the gun. It would be like watching the first 30-40% of a movie and then posting a review, ridiculous.
Bingo, giving a score for a game that revolves and is based on endgame, one may even call it "endgame centric" at level 25 is missguided.
Didint fans and devs themselves bragged about game being developed "top down" after all?
I can agree with that score I guess, but not the review. The combat is horrible in terms of mass confusion in large battles. No one can sit there and tell me they know everything that's going on while 50 people are spamming epileptic inducing array of skills with a multitude of colors and shapes.
WS is a much better game than ESO and therefor I can agree with both scores they were given. Before you say I'm a biased WS fan, I'm not. I hate WS equally as much as ESO.
AA > WS > ESO
People like the high speed twitch action. It is FUN to some. It plays more like an arcade game. Would you rather play Pong or play Wildstar? People are drawn to this, just like some people like you are drawn to the slower sandwich combat that AA has.
I could not even compare the 2 games at all, but I find AA completely boring (my opinion of course). You are playing AA and you like it better, we cannot argue against your opinion.
BTW, I find it funny how fast ESO got sucked into this, you haters just cannot let it go. Yes ESO has/had bugs, I do not even know anymore. For the record Wildstar has a nasty memory leak that I rarely see reported here. Funny how people like to let that slide eh?
Well in fact there are people such as I who didn't let it slide. I've been fairly brutal with the garbage optimization and memory leaks of wildstar mostly because it doesn't look visually impressive at all and the atmosphere is tailored to appeal to bronies. I am also brutal with how disgraceful ESO is to the franchise and what it could've been. Additionally, I can't stand the faceroll combat skills of wildstar and love archeages wide variety of skill trees and multi combo system. Pressing the 1 key as a tank warrior 80% of the time in veteran dungeons shouldn't be a thing, and aiming is trivial in pve because the telegraphs are the size of solomon grundy.
You don't review an mmo at level 25 lol. PC Gamer should just stick to offline/multiplayer games. I'm not saying that WS don't deserve the score, it could be higher or lower if they review the game wholly.
Originally posted by inemosz You don't review an mmo at level 25 lol. PC Gamer should just stick to offline/multiplayer games. I'm not saying that WS don't deserve the score, it could be higher or lower if they review the game wholly.
Well--... you cant wayt with a review eternally.... and at 25 you have a good idea about all the major leveling mechanics... and its better to do the review at 25 then the reviews i saw from ESo that where all done at about level 10
I think they should however have a seperate review for endgame. Because thats the only part of this game you can not review at level 25.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
89/100 sounds fair enough for that specific review. If the reviewer at least bothered pointing out the flaws of the game (which he didnt) the score would have been lower.
oh an 89/100 how impressive, considering that PC GAMER gave ULTIMA ONLINE the single most revolutionary piece of mmorpg history a 55/100 in 1998, gives little weight to their dying mediums review.
Not a single mention of the weak optimisation of the client? the massive afking in pvp? the memory leak issues? the huge ammount of bots in pvp? the bugged veteran dungeons? And since today there seems to be a huge bug with /afk in battlegrounds which kicks people out of them randomly.
Ok, after another reading, I saw that he was only lvl25. Why even review an MMO after such a short time?
I agreed with everything they wrote. I thought it was a balanced and fair review. Good on them for not succumbing to the hype or negativity so often seen around mmo releases.
What's funny is I think the questing and combat system are what hold WildStar back. As much as I'm enjoying it, the flaws become more apparent with each level gained. No review site is reliable anymore sans user controlled voting btw. I do agree the game is fun, but I feel like reading the article they hardly played it or have never played the wave of WoW clones that have saturated the market for years now.
The game's strengths are in story, art, and housing. Definitely not the run of the mill no flavor questing and the less than responsive combat system.
Just my 2c after playing a few months.
In red, seriously? So far that is not my experience at all. The combat seems very responsive to me. When I hit my abilities they all fire straight away. The combat feels really twitchy to me. The only thing I have noticed for lack of responsiveness in combat is that the Engineer pets don't attack when I order them to, but as far as my own abilities in combat, I have had no problems with getting stuff to activate when I want it to.
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Pretty much from the 2nd post on lol
Oh, and comparisons to ESO and theories of bribing and discrepancies etc. why ESO only got a 68 from PCGamer etc. etc.
Oh and of course the standard "reviewer only got to level X lol"
Which is always funny as fans want reviews ASAP yet want reviewers to reach end-game and play for a while before review.
Lol?
Im sorry you feel that way. Im just trying to talk about what we were talking about. If you didnt keep changing the subject we could have a conversation. Trying to change the subject is a sign that you lost already...Ill just leave you be, you wont be happy until we have changed the conversation 1000 times and are talking about something unrelated to the entire conversation. If being right is wrong in your world I guess that explains why you enjoy being wrong.
I tried though.
I'm talking about reviews, that's the subject here, not ESO vs WS... I have no interest in which is better or which is winning in the court of public opinion. Sorry I find that topic rather petty and juvenile. My original comment was rather harmless, it was a mere observation based on many different reviews and those who write them. I didn't change the conversation, I talked about a small part of it, a correction if you will. You didn't agree so I gave examples to show how I come to such conclusions again harmless, you couldn't A ignore it if you didn't want to go there. B: respond to what I said rationally without resorting to sidetrack what I said by calling me a kid. That's where the derail started still I tried to keep on the subject of reviews and still you want to talk about me. With that I'm done.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Goodbye.
Heh, yeah I missed it I didn't notice Saxxon's post lol. My bad..Good ole MMORPG.com
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It seems to me like this is largely what is going on. The people who are reviewing these games had a lot of expectations for ESO and were disappointed it didn't live up to them (how could it ever?) and people are willing to give Wildstar a little more slack because it was just suppose to be another WoW clone.
Both games have their strengths and weaknesses in my mind but the difference in score the two are getting is pretty large. I always thought that ESO's score is to low if judged on what the game is and not what people think it should have been being a Elder Scrolls game and given how much I value questing in modern MMO's I think Wildstars is a little higher than it should be. I'm not so fast to write off boring blur induced hub based questing like most people seem to be no matter how engaging the end game may be.
Agreed and its why I haven't trusted theirs and many others reviews. To be completely honest, SOME of the people on here are fair more objective and specific in their reviews for my likings.
And what difference dies it make if ESO fanbois don't agree or if Carbine did pay for a positive review? I wouldn't be surprised if all the major publishers did.
I for one like ESO and can't stand anything about WS. It doesn't hurt my feelings that someone else gave WS a good rating. Besides, I could care less which magazine likes WS or hates ESO. I am having tons of fun playing ESO and that's what I base my opinion on, not what someone else writes about it or another game.
No one game will ever please everyone, period. Have fun playing WS though. We'll enjoy our chosen games separately it appears and there's nothing wrong with that. Happy hunting!
Im an eso superfan. Played it through to Vet 1 now bored with it. But Wildstar is 10 times better than ESO. PC Gamer got it right. Wildstar has a few annoying bugs. But PC Gamers review and comments that ESO is sterile are correct.
Bingo, giving a score for a game that revolves and is based on endgame, one may even call it "endgame centric" at level 25 is missguided.
Didint fans and devs themselves bragged about game being developed "top down" after all?
Well in fact there are people such as I who didn't let it slide. I've been fairly brutal with the garbage optimization and memory leaks of wildstar mostly because it doesn't look visually impressive at all and the atmosphere is tailored to appeal to bronies. I am also brutal with how disgraceful ESO is to the franchise and what it could've been. Additionally, I can't stand the faceroll combat skills of wildstar and love archeages wide variety of skill trees and multi combo system. Pressing the 1 key as a tank warrior 80% of the time in veteran dungeons shouldn't be a thing, and aiming is trivial in pve because the telegraphs are the size of solomon grundy.
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Well--... you cant wayt with a review eternally.... and at 25 you have a good idea about all the major leveling mechanics... and its better to do the review at 25 then the reviews i saw from ESo that where all done at about level 10
I think they should however have a seperate review for endgame. Because thats the only part of this game you can not review at level 25.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
89 seems a bit too high for me.
Not a single mention of the weak optimisation of the client? the massive afking in pvp? the memory leak issues? the huge ammount of bots in pvp? the bugged veteran dungeons? And since today there seems to be a huge bug with /afk in battlegrounds which kicks people out of them randomly.
Ok, after another reading, I saw that he was only lvl25. Why even review an MMO after such a short time?
Hodor!
In red, seriously? So far that is not my experience at all. The combat seems very responsive to me. When I hit my abilities they all fire straight away. The combat feels really twitchy to me. The only thing I have noticed for lack of responsiveness in combat is that the Engineer pets don't attack when I order them to, but as far as my own abilities in combat, I have had no problems with getting stuff to activate when I want it to.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.