Nope, never again. Never trusting Bioware again. Mac Walters is a blithering idiot and should've been fired immediately instead of given more games. And Bioware is a shell of it's former self. People who are still getting their games deserve things like the ME3 ending.
And even If I thought otherwise, I'm still boycotting EA and everything under their umbrella for being a cancer upon the industry so it doesn't matter how good or bad Bioware is.
Nope! Not interested. The ridiculous contrivance involving the catalyst was bad enough, and the star-child was beyond stupid. The Reapers, despite repeatedly stating that we 'couldn't possibly fathom their mission' end up having one of the most simplistic and nonsensical reasons for doing what they do (synthetic life will wipe out organic life, so their solution is to... wipe out all life? WTH?). The endings all sucked and were so poorly written and tacked on that they had to release DLC just to explain them, and even then they didn't make much sense.
While there were some powerful character-driven moments, the writing more or less completely shits the bed. It's very obvious to me that Drew Karpyshyn was the real star and cornerstone of Bioware's writing department, because without him their writers come off as amateurish at best.
When you have fans writing more complex and appropriate stories and endings for your game on the forums, you have officially failed as a professional writer because you're essentially worse than a game's fan fiction.
If I do ever decide to try the next Dragon Age or Mass Effect, it will be as an impulse buy upon spotting them in the bargain bin for $5.
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Originally posted by Jyiiga Not sure I'm willing to trust them again. ME3 was not what we were promised and ultimately it did have a lack luster ending.
The ending may of been a let down but the overall game was very good. I wouldn't write them off because of 1 bad ending.
The whole Mass Effect series is proof positive that in general, gamers are idiots and will keep getting screwed over again and again and won't learn from their mistakes and start voting with their wallets.
Mass Effect 1, amazing game.
Mass Efect 2, mediocre at best.
After the fiasco of ME3, anyone who buys another game from that series and bioware is in my humble opinion, a moron.
Gaming seems to be the only industry in which game companies can use IP's as a license to print money. In books, movies, other forms of entertainment, if a company releases 1 or 2 crap products it will kill the IP, as well it should.
But gaming? nope. We have 500 iterations of Street Fighter, Mass Effect, Star Wars, Dragon Age (/shiver), Disney stuff, Mario, etc etc etc.
I guess its *kind* of a good thing that people still want to see the positive in these developers, but thats about the only silver lining i can see in the situation.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Nope, never again. Never trusting Bioware again. Mac Walters is a blithering idiot and should've been fired immediately instead of given more games. And Bioware is a shell of it's former self. People who are still getting their games deserve things like the ME3 ending.
And even If I thought otherwise, I'm still boycotting EA and everything under their umbrella for being a cancer upon the industry so it doesn't matter how good or bad Bioware is.
I you.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Sorry EA/Bioware, not getting any more money out of me. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Huh? Are we living on the same planet?
We sure as hell are. The ME3 endings were griped about for months, by thousands of players. Maybe you were the one living on another planet.
They had to go back and make an entire DLC pack just to try and dress it up a bit.
I must be living on another planet, because I didn't think the ending was that bad. Granted I didn't see it until after Extended Cut, but nonetheless, not that bad. Don't understand why so many people complain. It was satisfactory to me.
People don't even know what a bad ending is. The Dark Tower Stephen King series, one of my favorite novel series of all time, literally ended with the "it was all just a dream" ending. I shit you not. Now THAT'S a bad ending. I raged pretty hard after that. Basically the ending was that it wasn't the ending, there never will be an ending to the series. Ever. Yup, ME3's ending seems pretty rad in comparison.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Nope! Not interested. The ridiculous contrivance involving the catalyst was bad enough, and the star-child was beyond stupid. The Reapers, despite repeatedly stating that we 'couldn't possibly fathom their mission' end up having one of the most simplistic and nonsensical reasons for doing what they do (synthetic life will wipe out organic life, so their solution is to... wipe out all life? WTH?). The endings all sucked and were so poorly written and tacked on that they had to release DLC just to explain them, and even then they didn't make much sense.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between all life, and all highly developed life. The Reapers only destroyed developed civilizations and left the underdeveloped ones alive. Therefore, they did not wipe out ALL life, and I'd say that's quite an important difference, as it was the difference between the human race surviving to make it into space or being wiped out before they were even evolved.
The point was that if there was a war like they predicted, most likely the synthetics would win. And when the synthetics won, they wouldn't just destroy most living organisms, they'd destroy them all. There would be no intelligent organic life forms left. As soon as they began to evolve the synthetics would exterminate them. The Reapers at least allowed organic life forms some time to live (just a few measly millions of years /cough) before "assimilating" them, effectively keeping the memory of them alive in themselves. To be honest I think in reality the human race will be lucky to even last as long as it has in the Mass Effect universe without wiping itself out.
If you're going to hate on the ending, fine, but don't try to skew it to make it sound worse than it really was just because you don't like it.
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Originally posted by warriorpoet7 Sorry but I am still burned by ME3 ... probably won't be buying this until its in the bargain discount bin.
The ending comprised like 4% of the total game. The other 96% was as fantastic as the rest of the series.
The only advice I can give people who allow themselves get so bummed out by 1 failed part of a game that they fail to enjoy all the good parts, and even potentially miss out on future good parts, is to simply get over it. You're only hindering your own fun and enjoyment. Unless, of course, you want to be unhappy about the game so you have something to bitch and moan about on internet forums.
Players disliked Mass Effect 3’s ending for one reason: despite the promise of choice, the overwhelming internet voice is saying that no matter what decisions the player made over his or her 5 year history as Commander Shepherd, things ended up more or less the same.
To many people on here want to chalk up the ending as one small part. The destination of a long journey is very important to most.
Luke Plunkett said it well: It feels like walking 100 miles to get lemonade only to get there and be told you can choose between a pair of shoes, some brass knuckles or a cheeseburger.
The whole Mass Effect series is proof positive that in general, gamers are idiots and will keep getting screwed over again and again and won't learn from their mistakes and start voting with their wallets.
Mass Effect 1, amazing game.
Mass Efect 2, mediocre at best.
After the fiasco of ME3, anyone who buys another game from that series and bioware is in my humble opinion, a moron.
No, it's only proof that millions of players legitimately loved those games and that you're incapable of recognizing the subjectivity of your own opinion of those games.
ME2 is my personal favorite of the series, for example, and one of my all time favorite games, probably just behind some of the classic Final Fantasy games. I also felt that 96% of ME3 was as fantastic as the rest of the series. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the crappy last 4% tarnish my enjoyment of the rest of the game. I've gone on to replay the entire series twice since beating ME3 for the first time. It gets better each time.
But feel free to continue to generalize "other" gamers as "idiots" if that makes you feel better about your own clearly superior perspective.
Sorry EA/Bioware, not getting any more money out of me. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Huh? Are we living on the same planet?
We sure as hell are. The ME3 endings were griped about for months, by thousands of players. Maybe you were the one living on another planet.
They had to go back and make an entire DLC pack just to try and dress it up a bit.
I must be living on another planet, because I didn't think the ending was that bad. Granted I didn't see it until after Extended Cut, but nonetheless, not that bad. Don't understand why so many people complain. It was satisfactory to me.
People don't even know what a bad ending is. The Dark Tower Stephen King series, one of my favorite novel series of all time, literally ended with the "it was all just a dream" ending. I shit you not. Now THAT'S a bad ending. I raged pretty hard after that. Basically the ending was that it wasn't the ending, there never will be an ending to the series. Ever. Yup, ME3's ending seems pretty rad in comparison.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Nope! Not interested. The ridiculous contrivance involving the catalyst was bad enough, and the star-child was beyond stupid. The Reapers, despite repeatedly stating that we 'couldn't possibly fathom their mission' end up having one of the most simplistic and nonsensical reasons for doing what they do (synthetic life will wipe out organic life, so their solution is to... wipe out all life? WTH?). The endings all sucked and were so poorly written and tacked on that they had to release DLC just to explain them, and even then they didn't make much sense.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between all life, and all highly developed life. The Reapers only destroyed developed civilizations and left the underdeveloped ones alive. Therefore, they did not wipe out ALL life, and I'd say that's quite an important difference, as it was the difference between the human race surviving to make it into space or being wiped out before they were even evolved.
The point was that if there was a war like they predicted, most likely the synthetics would win. And when the synthetics won, they wouldn't just destroy most living organisms, they'd destroy them all. There would be no intelligent organic life forms left. As soon as they began to evolve the synthetics would exterminate them. The Reapers at least allowed organic life forms some time to live (just a few measly millions of years /cough) before "assimilating" them, effectively keeping the memory of them alive in themselves. To be honest I think in reality the human race will be lucky to even last as long as it has in the Mass Effect universe without wiping itself out.
If you're going to hate on the ending, fine, but don't try to skew it to make it sound worse than it really was just because you don't like it.
It sounds like this is the first your hearing of the controversy over the endings, and you mention that you didn't see it until after extended cut, kinda leads me to think that you weren't all that heavily invested in the series to start with. For many of us, hundreds of hours had been invested in the previous games, we got ME3 the moment it released and made it to the final moments of all that emotional investment, only to find that god-child and three colored beams.
No extended cut to soften the blow, no party at the apartment for closure... just an annoying kid and confused series of cutscenes. They cleaned up a lot of the logic behind what happened by the time you played so that's why some people won't think its as clear as you do ( and I still think its garbage either way). I remember sitting in front of my computer dumbfounded, thinking I must have made a huge mistake somewhere along the way. I knew even while I was still watching it that the fanbase was going to lose its collective mind... that's what made me sure it was something I had done, there was no way the people that created the entire thing could be that blind. But no, it wasn't me.
It was exactly like the "it was all a dream" ending really. It was a dream, god did it, whatever- in the end, my choices didn't mean a thing because control of the entire story was ripped away in the final moments of the final game. It was 1% of the overall experience, but it was the 1% that mattered. If the game had released as it is now it wouldn't have been as bad, I'll give them that much, but for those of us that had been playing since the beginning it was still a kick in the guts.
For me what made me extremely unhappy, was the Mass Effect Started well, built itself higher and higher, only to crash and burn at the last 1% (not even 4% for me).
"It is not how you start but how you finish that counts." or something like that is a really important and meaningful phase.
Mass Effect 1 Started Well, Ended Well. Expectations built.
Mass Effect 2 Started Well, Ended Good. More higher expectations.
Mass Effect 3 Started Well, Ended !!!. Where do you think all that expectations will lead?
Especially since it is the End of Ends.
For most people, those expectations, now destroyed, will become extreme piss-off-ness.
I get where both camps are coming from. But for me, endings are really important, and Mass Effect's Trilogy ending, will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I still love the trilogy as a whole but because of the ending, I no longer view Mass Effect and Bioware the same. I can not longer trust that all the games from Bioware will come will have a certain standard implied. I no longer trust them "blindly".
Now Bioware must work extra hard to earn back cred with me (and I believe alot of gamers). Basically one stupid ending, destroyed many many games worth of trust. No matter how many epic games they come out from now on, I will always remember Mass Effect 3 ending. And that is to me is the true hidden cost of ME3. That one whisper that will stop many from blindly pre-ordering new games, from playing ME series again, from blindly buying DLCs as sesaon passes, etc.
When one builds expectations up to such a hype, screwing up at the last last moment is the worst thing one can do. People can forgive scews up at the beginning, at the middle, heck at the finishing sections. But at the end, the really end, the final moments. To muck up there is just plain crazy suicidal. Your ending, is the sum combination and end destination of all that gone all before. It is what people will remember, it is the last moments that will sum up a all of a person's experiences. It is the final stroke that will colour every other moment in the series.
The illustration below is like the best I can think off to explain the importance of ending well.
"Richard Nixon"
He sums up extremely well, why endings matter. Regardless of anything else good or bad he did, what do you think he will be remembered for?
hopefully they go back to their roots and bring back the exploration and RPG mechanics from the first game too.
yup I hope they finally got the msg that you don't explore a bunch of tiny boxes all instanced together. It's important to tell a story but it has to take place in a world not a shoe box.
Agreed.
Also i like the idea of a Mass Effect game in a different timeline from the trilogy.
Something like a timeline where the legacy of Sheppard its just that, a legacy. History of the past, maybe that can be used to teach the yourger population in the new game about history in the future lol. Its an RPG after all, so the story needs to be in depth.
Originally posted by SavageHorizon And still a linear rpg.
stevebombsquad writes,
It is kind of hard to tell the stories that they do in a completely open world setting. Go play a Fallout or a TES game.
Have you ever played Mass Effect 1 now that was a true action RPG and not entirely Linear probally reason behind it winning RPG of the Year! Thats what they need to go back too make it more of a true RPG and then throw in some of the best new stuff ME 2 and 3 had offer and of course along with some new ideas. So basically they have to learn from their mistakes and give the true fans what they want while at same time making sure ME4 has a better balance between the RPG and action elements of it more like what ME 1 started.
On a side note this may be wishful thinking but i sure hope to see another Mass effect game someday with shepard and some of the crew back since clearly ME 3 wasn't the end espically when depending on what ending you picked Shepard did in fact live and Devs confirmed but I'm sure all the etreme whinning and backlash from some fans about the ME3 ending which I thought at least the Extended Cut was more complete and fixed and answered alot of the holes. Had the extended cut been done in first place then it still wouldn't be ending fans wanted or deserved but at least it would have be a more complete, polished, and finished ending but thanks to some going too extreme and overboard another ME with Shepard and the crew probally won't happen.
Another example of what i was talking about above is thanks to all the backlash about having DLC at launch caused them to say they will not have DLC or specific DLC due to this complaint for DA3 and its due to some DLC requires having to be pre built in to the game before it launches and they didn't want to get accused of doing it on purpose to get more money.So thanks to all the whiners who sometimes make things alot worst then what they really are we will probally start to see very little to no DLC for certain titles or at least less of the better DLC anyways. Personally i think some of the backlash is a bit extreme espically when developing games is their job and lively hood so of course they gonna try to make money if they can same applies with publishers its not just a game for them.
Now I'm not saying they never have made bad calls or gone too far of course they have but all I'm really trying to say is that I have noticed some fans tend to get too extreme and go overboard and ruin things for eceryone while the whole irony is they still buy the games after the fact lol so they can't be that bad lol. So people need to sometimes think about things from all differnt sides before they go to overboard or extreme and ruin things for everyone I feel.
Nope, never again. Never trusting Bioware again. Mac Walters is a blithering idiot and should've been fired immediately instead of given more games. And Bioware is a shell of it's former self. People who are still getting their games deserve things like the ME3 ending.
And even If I thought otherwise, I'm still boycotting EA and everything under their umbrella for being a cancer upon the industry so it doesn't matter how good or bad Bioware is.
ButtHurt much?
We are just talking about video games here not world economy or politics. So take deep breaths and relax.
Agreed Shodanas some people just take games too seriously and forget its a game for us but a job for them at of the day and that mistakes will happen. There are ways to complain without having a heart attack lol.
Originally posted by Forrealz Agreed Shodanas some people just take games too seriously and forget its a game for us but a job for them at of the day and that mistakes will happen. There are ways to complain without having a heart attack lol.
If its their job then maybe they should learn how to do it a bit better rather then claiming crap is art.
Seriously how long do you think it took them to come up with the ME3 ending which was basically Join the evil enemy AI you been fighting for the last 3 games and commit suicide because it says so in 3 different colors?
I mean sure the AI looks innocent enough wearing the form of the human child it had its minions kill earlier in the game but why would you take its word on anything considering what you know about it? Sure all those humans it ground up for genetic material, and previous races/civilizations it destroyed utterly that was just a misunderstanding right?
If you make a ending so full of plot holes that it looks like it was written at a bar or during lunch on a napkin (of which at least part of it was if you saw the video they had out at the time) and basically destroy the universe you created (ie either all races were turned into reaperspawn, or at the very least all star gates allowing FTL travel in a reasonable time were destroyed) Then don't expect to sell a sequel.
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Nope, never again. Never trusting Bioware again. Mac Walters is a blithering idiot and should've been fired immediately instead of given more games. And Bioware is a shell of it's former self. People who are still getting their games deserve things like the ME3 ending.
And even If I thought otherwise, I'm still boycotting EA and everything under their umbrella for being a cancer upon the industry so it doesn't matter how good or bad Bioware is.
Nope! Not interested. The ridiculous contrivance involving the catalyst was bad enough, and the star-child was beyond stupid. The Reapers, despite repeatedly stating that we 'couldn't possibly fathom their mission' end up having one of the most simplistic and nonsensical reasons for doing what they do (synthetic life will wipe out organic life, so their solution is to... wipe out all life? WTH?). The endings all sucked and were so poorly written and tacked on that they had to release DLC just to explain them, and even then they didn't make much sense.
While there were some powerful character-driven moments, the writing more or less completely shits the bed. It's very obvious to me that Drew Karpyshyn was the real star and cornerstone of Bioware's writing department, because without him their writers come off as amateurish at best.
When you have fans writing more complex and appropriate stories and endings for your game on the forums, you have officially failed as a professional writer because you're essentially worse than a game's fan fiction.
If I do ever decide to try the next Dragon Age or Mass Effect, it will be as an impulse buy upon spotting them in the bargain bin for $5.
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Huh? Are we living on the same planet?
Citizen: Preach your filth elsewhere!
We sure as hell are. The ME3 endings were griped about for months, by thousands of players. Maybe you were the one living on another planet.
They had to go back and make an entire DLC pack just to try and dress it up a bit.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall.
The ending may of been a let down but the overall game was very good. I wouldn't write them off because of 1 bad ending.
The whole Mass Effect series is proof positive that in general, gamers are idiots and will keep getting screwed over again and again and won't learn from their mistakes and start voting with their wallets.
Mass Effect 1, amazing game.
Mass Efect 2, mediocre at best.
After the fiasco of ME3, anyone who buys another game from that series and bioware is in my humble opinion, a moron.
Gaming seems to be the only industry in which game companies can use IP's as a license to print money. In books, movies, other forms of entertainment, if a company releases 1 or 2 crap products it will kill the IP, as well it should.
But gaming? nope. We have 500 iterations of Street Fighter, Mass Effect, Star Wars, Dragon Age (/shiver), Disney stuff, Mario, etc etc etc.
I guess its *kind* of a good thing that people still want to see the positive in these developers, but thats about the only silver lining i can see in the situation.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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you.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I must be living on another planet, because I didn't think the ending was that bad. Granted I didn't see it until after Extended Cut, but nonetheless, not that bad. Don't understand why so many people complain. It was satisfactory to me.
People don't even know what a bad ending is. The Dark Tower Stephen King series, one of my favorite novel series of all time, literally ended with the "it was all just a dream" ending. I shit you not. Now THAT'S a bad ending. I raged pretty hard after that. Basically the ending was that it wasn't the ending, there never will be an ending to the series. Ever. Yup, ME3's ending seems pretty rad in comparison.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between all life, and all highly developed life. The Reapers only destroyed developed civilizations and left the underdeveloped ones alive. Therefore, they did not wipe out ALL life, and I'd say that's quite an important difference, as it was the difference between the human race surviving to make it into space or being wiped out before they were even evolved.
The point was that if there was a war like they predicted, most likely the synthetics would win. And when the synthetics won, they wouldn't just destroy most living organisms, they'd destroy them all. There would be no intelligent organic life forms left. As soon as they began to evolve the synthetics would exterminate them. The Reapers at least allowed organic life forms some time to live (just a few measly millions of years /cough) before "assimilating" them, effectively keeping the memory of them alive in themselves. To be honest I think in reality the human race will be lucky to even last as long as it has in the Mass Effect universe without wiping itself out.
If you're going to hate on the ending, fine, but don't try to skew it to make it sound worse than it really was just because you don't like it.
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The ending comprised like 4% of the total game. The other 96% was as fantastic as the rest of the series.
The only advice I can give people who allow themselves get so bummed out by 1 failed part of a game that they fail to enjoy all the good parts, and even potentially miss out on future good parts, is to simply get over it. You're only hindering your own fun and enjoyment. Unless, of course, you want to be unhappy about the game so you have something to bitch and moan about on internet forums.
Players disliked Mass Effect 3’s ending for one reason: despite the promise of choice, the overwhelming internet voice is saying that no matter what decisions the player made over his or her 5 year history as Commander Shepherd, things ended up more or less the same.
To many people on here want to chalk up the ending as one small part. The destination of a long journey is very important to most.
Luke Plunkett said it well: It feels like walking 100 miles to get lemonade only to get there and be told you can choose between a pair of shoes, some brass knuckles or a cheeseburger.
No, it's only proof that millions of players legitimately loved those games and that you're incapable of recognizing the subjectivity of your own opinion of those games.
ME2 is my personal favorite of the series, for example, and one of my all time favorite games, probably just behind some of the classic Final Fantasy games. I also felt that 96% of ME3 was as fantastic as the rest of the series. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the crappy last 4% tarnish my enjoyment of the rest of the game. I've gone on to replay the entire series twice since beating ME3 for the first time. It gets better each time.
But feel free to continue to generalize "other" gamers as "idiots" if that makes you feel better about your own clearly superior perspective.
It sounds like this is the first your hearing of the controversy over the endings, and you mention that you didn't see it until after extended cut, kinda leads me to think that you weren't all that heavily invested in the series to start with. For many of us, hundreds of hours had been invested in the previous games, we got ME3 the moment it released and made it to the final moments of all that emotional investment, only to find that god-child and three colored beams.
No extended cut to soften the blow, no party at the apartment for closure... just an annoying kid and confused series of cutscenes. They cleaned up a lot of the logic behind what happened by the time you played so that's why some people won't think its as clear as you do ( and I still think its garbage either way). I remember sitting in front of my computer dumbfounded, thinking I must have made a huge mistake somewhere along the way. I knew even while I was still watching it that the fanbase was going to lose its collective mind... that's what made me sure it was something I had done, there was no way the people that created the entire thing could be that blind. But no, it wasn't me.
It was exactly like the "it was all a dream" ending really. It was a dream, god did it, whatever- in the end, my choices didn't mean a thing because control of the entire story was ripped away in the final moments of the final game. It was 1% of the overall experience, but it was the 1% that mattered. If the game had released as it is now it wouldn't have been as bad, I'll give them that much, but for those of us that had been playing since the beginning it was still a kick in the guts.
For me what made me extremely unhappy, was the Mass Effect Started well, built itself higher and higher, only to crash and burn at the last 1% (not even 4% for me).
"It is not how you start but how you finish that counts." or something like that is a really important and meaningful phase.
Mass Effect 1 Started Well, Ended Well. Expectations built.
Mass Effect 2 Started Well, Ended Good. More higher expectations.
Mass Effect 3 Started Well, Ended !!!. Where do you think all that expectations will lead?
Especially since it is the End of Ends.
For most people, those expectations, now destroyed, will become extreme piss-off-ness.
I get where both camps are coming from. But for me, endings are really important, and Mass Effect's Trilogy ending, will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I still love the trilogy as a whole but because of the ending, I no longer view Mass Effect and Bioware the same. I can not longer trust that all the games from Bioware will come will have a certain standard implied. I no longer trust them "blindly".
Now Bioware must work extra hard to earn back cred with me (and I believe alot of gamers). Basically one stupid ending, destroyed many many games worth of trust. No matter how many epic games they come out from now on, I will always remember Mass Effect 3 ending. And that is to me is the true hidden cost of ME3. That one whisper that will stop many from blindly pre-ordering new games, from playing ME series again, from blindly buying DLCs as sesaon passes, etc.
Agreed.
Also i like the idea of a Mass Effect game in a different timeline from the trilogy.
Something like a timeline where the legacy of Sheppard its just that, a legacy. History of the past, maybe that can be used to teach the yourger population in the new game about history in the future lol. Its an RPG after all, so the story needs to be in depth.
stevebombsquad writes,
It is kind of hard to tell the stories that they do in a completely open world setting. Go play a Fallout or a TES game.
Have you ever played Mass Effect 1 now that was a true action RPG and not entirely Linear probally reason behind it winning RPG of the Year! Thats what they need to go back too make it more of a true RPG and then throw in some of the best new stuff ME 2 and 3 had offer and of course along with some new ideas. So basically they have to learn from their mistakes and give the true fans what they want while at same time making sure ME4 has a better balance between the RPG and action elements of it more like what ME 1 started.
On a side note this may be wishful thinking but i sure hope to see another Mass effect game someday with shepard and some of the crew back since clearly ME 3 wasn't the end espically when depending on what ending you picked Shepard did in fact live and Devs confirmed but I'm sure all the etreme whinning and backlash from some fans about the ME3 ending which I thought at least the Extended Cut was more complete and fixed and answered alot of the holes. Had the extended cut been done in first place then it still wouldn't be ending fans wanted or deserved but at least it would have be a more complete, polished, and finished ending but thanks to some going too extreme and overboard another ME with Shepard and the crew probally won't happen.
Another example of what i was talking about above is thanks to all the backlash about having DLC at launch caused them to say they will not have DLC or specific DLC due to this complaint for DA3 and its due to some DLC requires having to be pre built in to the game before it launches and they didn't want to get accused of doing it on purpose to get more money.So thanks to all the whiners who sometimes make things alot worst then what they really are we will probally start to see very little to no DLC for certain titles or at least less of the better DLC anyways. Personally i think some of the backlash is a bit extreme espically when developing games is their job and lively hood so of course they gonna try to make money if they can same applies with publishers its not just a game for them.
Now I'm not saying they never have made bad calls or gone too far of course they have but all I'm really trying to say is that I have noticed some fans tend to get too extreme and go overboard and ruin things for eceryone while the whole irony is they still buy the games after the fact lol so they can't be that bad lol. So people need to sometimes think about things from all differnt sides before they go to overboard or extreme and ruin things for everyone I feel.
ButtHurt much?
We are just talking about video games here not world economy or politics. So take deep breaths and relax.
If its their job then maybe they should learn how to do it a bit better rather then claiming crap is art.
Seriously how long do you think it took them to come up with the ME3 ending which was basically Join the evil enemy AI you been fighting for the last 3 games and commit suicide because it says so in 3 different colors?
I mean sure the AI looks innocent enough wearing the form of the human child it had its minions kill earlier in the game but why would you take its word on anything considering what you know about it? Sure all those humans it ground up for genetic material, and previous races/civilizations it destroyed utterly that was just a misunderstanding right?
If you make a ending so full of plot holes that it looks like it was written at a bar or during lunch on a napkin (of which at least part of it was if you saw the video they had out at the time) and basically destroy the universe you created (ie either all races were turned into reaperspawn, or at the very least all star gates allowing FTL travel in a reasonable time were destroyed) Then don't expect to sell a sequel.