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ArcheAge Patron System Facts and Fiction How to master it
Silentstorm
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Mastering Patron Video
Ok let's talk Patron. A lot of rumors and bad information is going around. Let's clear it up from a more experience view on the game. I have gone to level 50 four different times in ArcheAge without any patron status. In fact it felt really natural doing it. The only difference in that was. I had access to the Auction Houses as a free to play player.
On the US side it won't be like that at first. A free to play player has to either pay to unlock it with Apex, Buy Patron passes, or use in game funds to buy Apex off people. Let's talk about that for a second. As a free player you have a few options. The first thing I would do is get in a guild. Also start making friends a lot of good friends. Who can help you even carry you, when and if you struggle being a free player.
Friends or Guild members who are patron members can auction for you. And help you build money to unlock things. Most good guilds in Rift had a system for that. They would help up any member get most things unlocked. All through in games means farming. And earning funds to get things unlocked for members. The same can be done in this game.
Let's look at exactly what Patron does. And I'll tell how to deal with each thing.
• Bonus online Labor Point regeneration (10 per 5 minutes)
• Offline Labor Point regeneration (5 per 5 minutes)
Both of the above you can combat this by simply staying online. Problem with that is electric bills.....
• Increased maximum Labor Points cap (5000 maximum)
This is nice but you can combat this by spending all your points. And judging how long it takes to refill. Make sure you're back at it in time. And you won't miss the higher cap.
• 10% bonus to all Experience gained through combat or labor usage
• 10% discount on Marketplace purchases (available after launch)
Both of the above not much you can do. Although to be honest I don't think 10% exp missing will kill you
• 5 Loyalty Tokens per day for use in the Loyalty Store (awarded on first login of the day)
This will all be dependent on what is in the store. If no borderline expensive gear is in there this store is fine.
• Ability to claim land by placing farms and houses
• Ability to pay in-game taxes on owned property
• Ability to post auctions on the Auction House by default
The above is all up to you. A house isn't that important to me. Because most people spend most of down time standing in a city. And like I said you can get friends to help you unlock the Auction house. That also goes for buying patron itself. With good enough farming, you can completely earn your game time every month.
Trust me it's not hard, and nothing here is pay to win.
Comments
Your video is an excellent argument against how Trion have done the whole thing.
Basically what you are saying is you don't care about some aspects of the game, and since it doesn't affect you, it shouldn';t affect anybody.
Your videos could be so much better, if you took your eye off you and looked from your viewers perspective. Keep them coming, I've watched a few now.
Forget pay 2 win, it's pay to play twice. Pay to be a patron (subscriber) then pay more to get labour pots so you can do anything!
(Ban probably incoming for me, because I like archeage and am concerned that it is going down the toilet.
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How you played on Archeage Russia ?
Russia
5 labor points for patron
0 labor points for offline
1 labor point free to play
0 labor point for offline free to play
US/EU
10 labor for patron online
5 labor for patron offline
5 labor for free to play online
0 labor for free to play offline
Dunno but it seems trion is realy generous to freeloaders.
No what I did was explain to you how to overcome it. I said for me in general I don't care about the houses and farming anyway. And I'm like most of the population in the game. For instance ;Pvp, Endgame, Dungeons, Gear, Customization, exploration, and class skills. Are not effected in any way by patron. And guess what you can use to pay for what is? That's my point anyone worried about patron just play the game ignore it.
After a few days you be able to pay for it anyway. Without a single penny out of your pocket. It's really not that big of a deal. If you got the funds then pay for it outright. I get on the people whining they have to earn their way in the game. Like seriously nothing in this life is free. If you don't have the cash then it will cost you some time.
I did the video showing thiers another way. And showing guys you don't have to pay for it. Trion may not exactly love me for that. But it's the truth. I'm not going to be one of those company line guys. Who tell you buy the founder pack.
Lets talk pay to win LP regen pots ingame. 2 player that play equally hard but one can afford labor pots from the cash shop the other cannot. Player with the cash gets almost twice as many labor points as the guy who cannot afford cash shop in addition to patron.
why not just sell gold in the cash shop too, it's the same thing
I miss DAoC
OP, you are own your own with this one. I tried to help in other threads and I am tired of hearing about it. You are about to be hit hard by all of the closed minded, hatred filled people who can't stand the labor points and think the game is pay-2-win, no matter what and how they are shown it isn't.
So keep that in mind as you go about defending your videos and the game. Good Luck.
Oh it can never feel so good to be right, look at all the crazyness going on in ArcheAge forum right now about LP.
Funny thing is, 1.2 is even worst than what we had in alpha, LP wise. Whats even more funny is that 1.2 was supposed to be fixing 1.0 but it is still worst than what we had in alpha... Now thats scary.
So you claim to have 4 char level 50 and have no problem with LP? But your not using any part of the sandbox feature? Housing, farming, crafting... of course you have no problem with LP then... Obiviously you were in russia or elsewhere because if you were in Na alpha, you would have got patron LP, so you judge our build saying you played up to lvl 50 on another country build? Errrrrrr....
FACTS are, LP is even worst than what it was in alpha. Patron regen ruffly 2200/day and you could spend it in just 5 minute if you had the mats ready to craft 4 weapons worth of 500lp each, some were even more than that. So your daily crafting consited of about a few weapons and thats about it.
In 1.2, now all gear you get from mobs are unkown and u must use lp to even get to know if its worth wearing, i read even reporting crimes now takes lp.... Its.... I cant even believe anyone would defend this.
Maybe for casual players who only have about 1-2 hours a day to play it wont be an issue but for anyone else, this game wont cut it, at all.
Everything is bound to the LP system, everything you do now is bound to it even down to looting mobs... Non patron have max lp of 2000.... Even 5000 max with 2.2k regen was a joke for me and i dont even like to craft.
Yeah I just can't imagine how a f2p player would get LP pots. Seems impossible..
http://imgur.com/Qk12azg
Possible or not, this is a bit like any other games, say guild wars 2, where you could exchange rl money for in game money. The only thing is here, you dont exchange rl money for in game money, you exchange it for the right to do what you want to do in game, which could be crafting, looting mobs or anything what so ever really, anything you can do in game. Buttttttt, to make money, you first need to have labor points...
Quite a vicious circle, where at the very end of the line, someone is getting milked, its us the players.
If by 'milked' you been having to pay money, then yes, that's kind of how this whole thing works. You pay money for a service or product, you get the service or product. The irony of the complaints here is that you don't even have to spend real life money to get patron status or the items from the 'cash shop'. You also don't need labor points to make money. That's just one way to do it.
The real irony is, even if you paid 150$ for alpha and get all the perks, you are still annoyed to pay to expend your inventory and all along, the game reminds you that $ you need to pay. The reality is, even if you pay this game monthly, like any other p2p mmo out there, you will STILL be bothered to buy this or buy that, still be locked down by the LP system put in place to insure a clear winning income by trion/sl games.
We are extremely far from a free to play cosmetic/conveniance shop here, we are knee deep into a game made around the free to play in mind, where ever you ll go, you will be reminded that you need to spend LP, even to pay death xp penalty.
Dont need LP to make money, lets see, you need to identify drops, so even mob grinding you need LP. Farming, crafting, LP, even down to allowing yourself to sell sht on broker you still need to pay. Sell to npc? You better forget about it. No way to do anything or make anything without LP. The game is based around it, get to 50 and come back, you will understand why everyone on ArcheAge forum is crying about it.
Yeah because im far from being alone to shout it, thats basically the only thing you see on AA forum.
There is P2P mmos, F2P and there is P2W. Which one do you think ArcheAge fits the most. I think that is clear enough.
lol.. I don't agree with most of what you've said, and i've been 50 for months. In fact I almost have all 10 skills maxed out to 50. I think AA is the closest thing to what a F2P MMO *should* be, and by far not pay 2 win. I've played P2W MMOs and there's nothing in the cash shop that supports your argument.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
You are so right DMK, its only missing the part where it should say.
We advertise our game as a free to play but in fact its really not, you cannot do anything in game without eventualy, you got it, give us money.
Its missing the part where it should mention that even if you pay a monthly subscription, you will still need to pay money daily in order to do what ever do hell you want to in this game. Everything is bound to LP, low regen LP compared to how much you can spend within just one hour, therefore if you want to continue to play the game past your LP consumption, you need to, give them more money. That, you guessed it, isnt a one time fee, its a recurring fee on top of your monthly fee for when ever you surpass your LP regeneration.
DMK so smart, they should also mention that this game is P2W. Let alone the LP potion, which in itself is p2w, they also sell a very decent speed boost potion for gliders, gliders often used in pvp which result in a CLEAR advantage in a 1v1 or any kind of encounters.
Win.
Again, you bad DMK.
Oh but wait, they are being very carefull here, its release, they certainly dont want to alarm anyone with something too P2W. They announced on stream that there would be gear for sale, just like rift, only this is half a sandbox and people like their economy, this wont work out well, i bet you anything on that.
Hey, if your fine being able to spend all your LP within 5 minutes (that can be proved easily btw) and be done for the rest of the day just watching the scenery, be my guest bro, i couldnt careless what you enjoy.
Trion wont change their stand on this and you will soon see a lot of bad post on this forum once people are done crashing AA. Mind you, the first few days, weeks, are the ''honey moon'' and look how people reacts.
Like i said, feels good to be right.
I mean.. you can keep telling yourself that you're right all day long, but it doesn't make it true. I've been at 5k LP for quite some time, and I never use it all anymore. Back when I did fishing (probably the biggest LP sink in the game), I could drain it out in 5 hours or so, but that's literally non-stop fishing. So your 5 minutes is yet another poor example, and a drastic exaggeration of a person who doesn't want to have to pay for anything. This simply isn't a logical reality. AA is a good game, and Trion has actually done a pretty freakin stellar job at making the cash shop non-p2w. You can speculate all you want about what will be added in the future, but it hasn't happened. The simple truth is that the idea of Free-2-Play has spoiled so many people into thinking they shouldn't have to pay for something, and you're doing yourself and others a disservice by trying to argue for that side.
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TLDR at the bottom since most of you can't or won't read more than 2-3 sentences.
Everyone plays MMOs differently. Some people only like housing and they would absolutely play ArcheAge but the housing is behind a pay wall. They would rather get the house and have an item shop that has special decor or other little items. However, Trion has decided to advertise housing, farming, etc and the game being F2P then lock housing out for the Free player and liming their LP generation to limit everything they can do besides PvE and PVP.A lot of people here have no issue with Labor Points and it is simply because of the way they play and because they have Patron status.
Solutions to Labor Points stated in this thread:
1) Farm money, buy labor points. - Great, however there are people who will get turned off immediately being forced to farm money just to enjoy something like crafting or housing. There are people who will farm but get burned out doing so and leave. From the poll I took of my 700 member guild, most people fall in those two categories. 30 people fall in the "I love to farm" category.
2)Don't craft, don't fish, don't do anything that requires labor points. - So basically farm money or PVP. Two things a lot of people do not enjoy doing. Some people just want to fish all day. Sadly they can't. They must do a lot of things(or spend a lot of time doing things) they don't enjoy to do the things they do enjoy. Yes, you can say "boo hoo" but people do get tired of doing that and quit. Tera implemented a similar point system for crafting and gathering. People do not like it.
Everyone who has Patron status needs to make an account and play as a Free player if they can. Do everything and see how limiting it is. You all should want more people to play because that means a better and longer lasting game. The free population outnumbers the patron population by far. You want AA to entice people to spend money, not force them too.
Does Tera force people to spend money? No. All the basic systems are there for the free player, they don't block off content and systems through pay-walls. F2P is exactly like when it was P2P. When it went F2P they simply just added small bonuses and perks. (Of course a few months ago they added gear with status and their version of LP pots and people are not happy. Their regen was 5 per 5 minutes, cap of 4000 and I could use the entire cap up in 30 minutes or less just crafting. Three days of waiting to get 4000 points just to use them all crafting in 30 minutes. No thanks.)
Trion should make LP for Patron 15/5 minutes online, 10/5 minutes offline. F2P - 10/5 minutes online, 5/5 minutes offline. Having 0 for F2P being offline is just silly. Or just get rid of Labor Points period. Stop artificially slowing/limit what people can do with basic systems. Some people like to farm all day or gather or craft or fish. The game limits/stops them. Bad design (even for people with patron status).
Housing is a different challenge altogether. The design makes it impossible to open up to everyone. There is not enough space for paying players. It should of been instanced. They should stop advertising it.
AH should be open to everyone. It is ridiculous to put this behind a pay-wall.
tldr; Stop being pricks to each other. Everyone plays differently. If you drive the F2P player away through pay walls the game is going to die. You should entice people to pay, not force them too. Get rid of the LP system completely, it is bad design.
Labor isn't really important for f2p people. If you can't own a farm, then you can't use your LP farming. They also won't be able to mine as much, as LP will run out faster. As i see it, if you really want to not pay a cent for this game, you can just do trade runs, make gold and buy everything you need. I can see it being possible.
Labour Points are a good idea. If this game didn't have labor points, i could sit on my farm all day long growing huge amounts of materials and flooding the market.. Miners would never run out of LP and keep mining ore forever, flooding the market. These two examples, and many others, are the reason a cap of some kind is needed for this type of game. I'm not sure how the much the potions will actually cost when the game is released, but 1k LP every 12 hours doesn't seem too bad, as long as they make prohibitively expensive to purchase.
They havent played on Russian server where you get only 1 labor point per 5 minutes and a patron gets 5 !
So the freeloaders get the same labor as subscibers get in Russia !
But thats NOT enough !!! they want it all !! for Free !!!!
Sorry but freeloaders can do enough stuff in Trions version of Archeage and if you dont like it you can play something else ?
They are not forcing you to pay or play lol
Your knowledge of this game is laughable and the fact that you would defend such mechanic is even worst. Yes you can spend your entire LP regen of the day within 5 minutes even as a PATRON status. DMK, you can hate as much as you want, delude yourself into something completely off but some day i would leave for work, 12 hours off, come back and i would still spend my entire LP within 30 minutes at lvl 50. MInd you, i was only crafting for myself and nowhere near full time crafter that would craft for entire guilds, for friends or trade broker.
Why do you think people keep complaining about the LP system on AA forum anyway? The entire player base is not understanding AA mechanic? So even whitin the honey moon first few days where they should be happy to learn the game and discover, they are driven away by seeying this horror that is the LP system?
Sure you are not forced but there is a presure, lets say you have the mats for a few end game weapons, you craft them at 500 LP each, you make 4. Say you needed to mine a bit before so you spent 160 lp before. You are maxing your patron LP regen within 30 minutes, arent you not? Now say, within that small time frame, you forgot your farm trees and crops,animals and what not, you do not have nearly enough LP to harvest them. Now because you do not have enough LP to harvest them, some will get disease, you will lose some of ur things because you didnt had the precious LP.
If you didnt knew you could spend all of your LP within 5 minutes granting you have the mats, well you are learning it here and right now bro because you can, log in game, look the crafting table and their requirements.
I would much rather grind all day for mats and money instead of being restricted of to what i am able to do and when im i able to do it. Thats a personal taste, what isnt a personal taste is that their system is bound to the cash shop. I have seen planty of economy succeed without dictating what and when people should do what they want to do in their game.
Instead of dictating your player base, you driver npc price up, broker fees, increase crafting time, increase crafting receipt requirements, decrease loot rate. There is a lot of options you can play with rather then making a system which is bound to your cash shop.
The whole point is, even if you are a patron, you still got to pay broker to unlock it, you will still be reminded constantly to pay attention to your LP if you want to have enough to do what you want later on. Thats just not right.
Freeloader, i paid 150$ for alpha of which i do not care for, i would be gladly paying 15 a month, hell even 50$ monthly for a good sandbox. Not a sandbox that is shady like that tho, beside i just hate free to play games.
A year ago, almost everyone loved free to play games, now people start to see it for what they are, a cash grab.
The problem with people who complain about "p2w" is they are never happy. They don't want to pay for a sub, they don't want to pay for anything. This is entitlement syndrome down to the core, they don't want something for nothing.....they want everything for nothing. There are true p2w games out there, but most of the complaints are just perception vs. reality.
I searched realy hard in Trions cashshop and the only thing i found that was remotely close that could give a slight advantage is Labor pots.
Yet these pots are on a 12 hour cooldown and ACCOUNT WIDE LOCKED.
I can blow 5k labor in 15 minutes or less, so i still have to micro manage my labor.
Played quite some time on the russian server as a freeloader and did fine there, and that was with 1 labor per 5 minutes!!!
You can never ever have enough labor but Trion has increased the labor regen 5x for freeloaders and still they arent happy.
Maybe Trion needs to implement Mail.RU labor regen so they realy know how shit it can be if you want to craft even the most basic things with that meager 1 labor per 5 minutes.
Trion needs to make cash.
Subscribers pay that cash.
Wallet Warriors pay that cash.
Freeloaders dont pay that cash so they are the ones that get the least out of everything as it should be.
I dont understand why they think they should be on par with people that support the studio lol.
And realy 12 euro a month for a mmo with this amount of features....its a sin already compared to what i payed for in the past for some mmo's that offer nothing but scripted crap and you were lucky to get a new raid once a year "hello Blizzard".
You cannot ever please everyone but Trion did a fine job so far, and looking at the future updates this mmo is not even fully developt yet as there are tons of improvements on the horizon.
And gues what ? ITS FREE !!!
I really dont know if you are either trolling or blind. Soon as someone complain about a cash shop or payment model, you assume that this person is a freeloader, entitled. While the reality is, i said it many times but it doesnt seem to get to your brain, i have no problem paying ridiculous amount as long as the game is legit and do not try to milk you by designing their game mechanics tied to their cash shop. Even if there was no LP potion, just the fact that i cannot do wahtever the hell i want in my game, that i paid for ridiculous amount, its done for me. This game is for casuals who dont mind being told, bey youve crafted for 30 minutes today, its enough, time to wait 24hours till you can do it again.
Aa is for p2w people or for extremely casual p2p players... Thats all.
btw i do not care how it used to be in china or where ever its from, i care for what i see right now.
Heaven help us if we let people decide on their own whether the game is fair or unfair... free or not free...
The game is going to be released soon... let everyone see for themselves. You've already decided... move on already. I'm not making a decision based on what's said in the forums here. Honestly, the game is free to download and free to play... if they ask for money, well, I can choose to pay something or I can choose to not pay something... of my own free will.
So what if I am slowed down to a snails pace... moving backwards even... how in the hell does that involve YOU? You have the ability to not play the game. You have the ability to find another game. How is sitting in these forums complaining about a game, you clearly do not care to play, going to get you another game to play? It's not. So you're not looking for another game either. You'r just looking for an argument. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
Move along folks... this thread will get you nowhere.