People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not seeing much P2W at all. They have the one item that has a chance at dropping a rare crafting material. It's still something that can be obtained in game, even with a low drop rate. So it's more of a P2PotentiallyShortcutSomeGrinding.
You could technically say the same thing about Runes of Magic too
I and many others never said this wasn't a good business decision. In fact, history has shown that this is likely a VERY GOOD business decision.
Still bad for the integrity of the game and still a really jerk move when the game is already subscription-based (in practice)
But hey, you only need to hook one whale and that'll make up for like, a thousand+ subscribers or more, so from a business sense, it makes perfect sense to say "Screw those guys. Maybe they'll keep playing despite being second class citizens anyways which is more money for me! Or maybe they won't and they'll just leave but if that happens, it's fine because I gots me a whale!"
Oh yes, and there WILL be whales. My own experience with F2P games has shown me that there WILL be crazy guys who will spend THOUSANDS on these boxes and any other remotely pay to win features (EVERY F2P I've seen has them. Even the bad F2P's!), and likely "win" (for some given definition of winning) because of it over guys who tried to earn that through play time alone. And Trion's bottom line will be all the happier for it.
A better decision would for Trion to not have it's name on it. It reflects poorly on their image as a whole.
That's true... money always wins~ Games are created to be profitable to some extent if possible. Enjoy the game as a F2P or QQ about people who spend money on the game. Either way, each player has a choice, money always gave options and that goes towards everything in life.
As far as im concerned this pack is tradeable within the game, so i don't exactly know how is that p2w.
I define p2w as the following: The shop provides items that can't be acquired by other means, besides real money.
At the other hand i don't know a lot of things about the game. But i know it very well, every soingle F2P mmo offers stuff in their shop that gives you advantage over the rest. The question is, if you can acquire it from someone for ingame cash.
And since someone mentioned DOTA2 as a game that sells only skins in the shop.
I play smite, i can get anything with the ingame currency that you can get from the shop for real money.
The difference is the time it takes to get where paying customers. Now how is that fair, someone has access to all the gods within the game cause he purchased all of them from the shop, and i must work to get them all.
It's not fair, life is not fair, and i accept that i have to work more to achieve the same if i don't want to invest.
And im prety sure it's similiar in DOTA.
All the qq i see about AA is basically this: omagawd the dude with thick wallet gets to max lvl faster and will have stuff faster than i do. And i don't want to spend real money, and i ignore the fact i can buy these with ingame currency as well.
Its like this, in every single mmo, everyone should have gotten used to it by now.
But i could have said, don't play it if you don't like it.
As a side note, no, im not planning to spend any real cash besides patron.
Until i can earn it from ingame cash.
Wake up man! TRION has become a horrible Company in recent time. Especially when they let in Dick Trempsy! /facepalm
They pretty much pulled a bait and switch on everyone here.
Didn't they tell that the cash shop would be pure cosmetic?
Didn't they tell that the Labor Point system was to protect the economy?
How is suddenly changing the cooldown on Labor Pots in the store from 12 hours to 4 hours going to help the economy huh?
Someone with a big fat wallet can now rake in 6000 LP per day, compared to 2000ish LP via offline regen with Patron status.
They said F2P cannot own land, because they cannot pay taxes. This was another benefit of Patron status.
Now they suddenly put Tax certs in the cash shop.
And lo and behold..... these stupid evil lootboxes have finally arrived! With chance to contain ultra rare materials.
Bait and switch! Pure and simple. Keep telling People A.... rake in tons of cash via $150 founder packs, then do B and laugh down your customers. /facepalm
No need to try to rebuttal his comments. He is an AA fanboy. He was just talking about how AA is going to strip WoW of their subs lol. No reason or logic will work here.
Paying 13 euros per month i can play AA and have alot of fun with my friends? if yes i dont care if someone get all the stuff in game in 1month and i need 6 months to get the same, as a casual player its allways this way, with CS or not. God, i played 3months in RU and didnt even get a tractor, and was working for it.
Now, if they take me the ability to have fun in game whithout going to CS then im going have to move on., but i dont see any signal poiting that way atm.
im going have to play with economy in-game to survive and reach some objectives, while others go for a easy way spending huge amount of Money in CS, good for them and who knows, good for me in AH.
In the end i dont like the CS, i never like it since pre 1.0, but i really really like the game so i will survive there using only 13euros per month for now, close future will tell if i stay or not.
As far as im concerned this pack is tradeable within the game, so i don't exactly know how is that p2w.
I define p2w as the following: The shop provides items that can't be acquired by other means, besides real money.
At the other hand i don't know a lot of things about the game. But i know it very well, every soingle F2P mmo offers stuff in their shop that gives you advantage over the rest. The question is, if you can acquire it from someone for ingame cash.
And since someone mentioned DOTA2 as a game that sells only skins in the shop.
I play smite, i can get anything with the ingame currency that you can get from the shop for real money.
The difference is the time it takes to get where paying customers. Now how is that fair, someone has access to all the gods within the game cause he purchased all of them from the shop, and i must work to get them all.
It's not fair, life is not fair, and i accept that i have to work more to achieve the same if i don't want to invest.
And im prety sure it's similiar in DOTA.
All the qq i see about AA is basically this: omagawd the dude with thick wallet gets to max lvl faster and will have stuff faster than i do. And i don't want to spend real money, and i ignore the fact i can buy these with ingame currency as well.
Its like this, in every single mmo, everyone should have gotten used to it by now.
But i could have said, don't play it if you don't like it.
As a side note, no, im not planning to spend any real cash besides patron.
Until i can earn it from ingame cash.
Wake up man! TRION has become a horrible Company in recent time. Especially when they let in Dick Trempsy! /facepalm
They pretty much pulled a bait and switch on everyone here.
Didn't they tell that the cash shop would be pure cosmetic?
Didn't they tell that the Labor Point system was to protect the economy?
How is suddenly changing the cooldown on Labor Pots in the store from 12 hours to 4 hours going to help the economy huh?
Someone with a big fat wallet can now rake in 6000 LP per day, compared to 2000ish LP via offline regen with Patron status.
They said F2P cannot own land, because they cannot pay taxes. This was another benefit of Patron status.
Now they suddenly put Tax certs in the cash shop.
And lo and behold..... these stupid evil lootboxes have finally arrived! With chance to contain ultra rare materials.
Bait and switch! Pure and simple. Keep telling People A.... rake in tons of cash via $150 founder packs, then do B and laugh down your customers. /facepalm
No need to try to rebuttal his comments. He is an AA fanboy. He was just talking about how AA is going to strip WoW of their subs lol. No reason or logic will work here.
Nah, im not even remotely a fanboy of AA. 've completely forgot about it until i recieved a beta invitation last month (which i've missed).
At the other hand, im sick of people crying about stuff they can't do anything about. You knew the game will be F2P, what did you expect? They will sell costumes and mounts only in the shop? Ofc they said the shop won't be P2W and in a sense it truly isn't.
And honestly, is the tax certificate such a problem? When anyone can get patron, even for ingame cash, and the ability to pay tax with it?
I can't say anything about the labor pots, as i don't know how much use i will have it playing casually.
Though i should be used to all the qq by now.
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And i never said anywhere that AA will takes any subscriber from wow.
The debate was about wow free trial. And how they timed it on AA release.
Perhaps you should not talk about logic and reason, if you can't understand simple things.
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Edit.
If you say Trion is a horrible company, you obviously haven't played any games handled by Nexon and Gameforge just to mention two.
There is 2 option for anyone being upset about what's in the shop.
okay so they did not only add one pay to win feature, they added two!
-archeum crates.
-labor points potion.
now i guess i am done with archeage. i thought trion wouldn't be as stupidly greedy as some other publishers, but it looks like i was wrong. first they promised to let ftp players have offline LP generation, then they retracted after months of speaking about that! then now they reduce the cooldown of the lp potion under the pretense that ftp players will need more of those? what the fuck are they taking the playerbase for? for a bunch of dumb apes?
so now, not only will the gap between cash shoppers and ftps will widen, but we will have to pay for even more shitty lp potions to keep up, and the outcome will not be even worth since what you will gain will not even equal what you spent in gold! ha let's speak about the gold too, how the fuck are we gonna get gold with that system?
-for trade routes you need gold
-for farming you need lp => gold
-anything you do will require gold! except if you are willing to grind mobs which will give you nothing for months for no income.
but this is not the worst! no it's not! now they added archeum crates! what a dick move! really! that resource was the only valuable thing you could drop by grinding and now they add it to the cash shop!
in short as a ftp player:
-you can't do shit because you have no LP.
-you can't buy LP because they cut off all of the interesting gold incomes.
conclusion: we are fucked
sorry for the boring and useless text, i'm off and never looking back.
After 100,000 crybaby post about not having enough LP's .....Trion did the same as every developer and publisher of games has done since the release of WOW and caved in to make a good game simple for the masses <<<plus taking away the fuel and ship repairs so the casual patrons and the f2p players really just don't have any chance to dig themselves out of the shit hole .
okay so they did not only add one pay to win feature, they added two!
-archeum crates.
-labor points potion.
now i guess i am done with archeage. i thought trion wouldn't be as stupidly greedy as some other publishers, but it looks like i was wrong. first they promised to let ftp players have offline LP generation, then they retracted after months of speaking about that! then now they reduce the cooldown of the lp potion under the pretense that ftp players will need more of those? what the fuck are they taking the playerbase for? for a bunch of dumb apes?
so now, not only will the gap between cash shoppers and ftps will widen, but we will have to pay for even more shitty lp potions to keep up, and the outcome will not be even worth since what you will gain will not even equal what you spent in gold! ha let's speak about the gold too, how the fuck are we gonna get gold with that system?
-for trade routes you need gold
-for farming you need lp => gold
-anything you do will require gold! except if you are willing to grind mobs which will give you nothing for months for no income.
but this is not the worst! no it's not! now they added archeum crates! what a dick move! really! that resource was the only valuable thing you could drop by grinding and now they add it to the cash shop!
in short as a ftp player:
-you can't do shit because you have no LP.
-you can't buy LP because they cut off all of the interesting gold incomes.
conclusion: we are fucked
sorry for the boring and useless text, i'm off and never looking back.
how are we fucked exactly i had no problem getting the lp as ftp to open all my coin purses and quest rewards + alittle harvesting in cb3.
What are the intresting gold incomes really? trade packs? get a guild and make them together then hand in.
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
and that's the sticking point - you can buy something someone else had to work for. You buying power in the real world shouldn't reflect in the game - what should be reflected in the game is the work you put into getting there. Everyone has the same amount of time in any given day, what you do with that time is your choice but everyone has a fair shot at it because we all have 24 hours in a day.
Well maybe someone used 10 hours of their 24 hours to work and make some extra money. Someone else only worked 8 hours out of their 24 hours. The person who worked 10 hours used some of the money from the 2 extra hours they worked and brought something from the cash shop. Both people had 24 hours and both people received the benefits of what they did with that time. One spent more time playing games and getting things thru the game. The other worked more in the real world, but used some of that cash to keep up in the game. Both started with 24 hours in that day, but used them in different ways, but could very well end up in the same place at the end of the day.
Nah, im not even remotely a fanboy of AA. 've completely forgot about it until i recieved a beta invitation last month (which i've missed).
At the other hand, im sick of people crying about stuff they can't do anything about. You knew the game will be F2P, what did you expect? They will sell costumes and mounts only in the shop? Ofc they said the shop won't be P2W and in a sense it truly isn't.
And honestly, is the tax certificate such a problem? When anyone can get patron, even for ingame cash, and the ability to pay tax with it?
I can't say anything about the labor pots, as i don't know how much use i will have it playing casually.
Though i should be used to all the qq by now.
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And i never said anywhere that AA will takes any subscriber from wow.
The debate was about wow free trial. And how they timed it on AA release.
Perhaps you should not talk about logic and reason, if you can't understand simple things.
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Edit.
If you say Trion is a horrible company, you obviously haven't played any games handled by Nexon and Gameforge just to mention two.
There is 2 option for anyone being upset about what's in the shop.
A: Don't play the game.
B: Deal with it.
Arguing about it, will fix nothing.
But spending money in the cash shop and rewarding Trion for pulling this crap is going to?
but if i have to pay more than $15 for this game to be able to play same level at other in PVP then the deal is off .
I don't mind if it RMT between players (and i will buy from them if i need) but not cash shop item .
Why ? because even in RMT , things are limits , player can't create thing just by type some code .
But there are no limit in cash shop , as long as you have money . It kind of money throwing contest .
For me :
bad deal
Honor Boost Tonic
Flaming Pinion
Scroll: Resurrection (PVP ?)
Breeze Pet Helm
Breeze Mount Saddle
Breeze Pet legguards
Super bad deal (money throwing contest begin)
Explorers Daru Stash
Merchants Daru Stash
Companion Crust
Honor Safeguard Potion
Infamy Remedy
I may have fun with archeage for 4 month of half . But after that , the game going to less fun , or even turn bad.
I have some experience with F2P games before so i know , it not good smell .
After year 1 , there will be whales remain who don't mind to spend hundred or thousand per month , so the game will live strong but if you don't spend at less $100 per month or playing 12h/day then you have to quit soon
Originally posted by Laughing-man Originally posted by NitthTruth is "P2W" (although this isn't) sells.
So wait, P2W is inevitable, yet this isn't pay to win. That is what you are saying?
Huh?
Why isn't this pay to win? It seems like honestly the people who are saying it is are winning by a landslide right now.
This isn't pay to win because its falls into the same category as convenience items.
Pay to win is where you can directly pay for "power" and/or isn't available by normal game mechanisms.
People will buy these boxes. For every person that says they despise pay to win there is 5 more that will shut their trap and spend. Why do you think gold sellers are still in business if everyone despises them? Because there is demand.
That's why every business tries to push the tolerance of whats "pay to win". because its good for business.
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okay so they did not only add one pay to win feature, they added two!
-archeum crates.
-labor points potion.
... useless test ...
but this is not the worst! no it's not! now they added archeum crates! what a dick move! really! that resource was the only valuable thing you could drop by grinding and now they add it to the cash shop!
in short as a ftp player:
-you can't do shit because you have no LP.
-you can't buy LP because they cut off all of the interesting gold incomes.
conclusion: we are fucked
sorry for the boring and useless text, i'm off and never looking back.
You've been bashing AA since April, every post of yours. So how exactly were u going to not look back at a game you had no intention of playing? Oh I get it, you're trolling. Don't you have anything else better to do?
Leave these people to their game and stop spreading your hate, bullying, & lies.
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Don't underestimate the consumer.
You could technically say the same thing about Runes of Magic too
A better decision would for Trion to not have it's name on it. It reflects poorly on their image as a whole.
No need to try to rebuttal his comments. He is an AA fanboy. He was just talking about how AA is going to strip WoW of their subs lol. No reason or logic will work here.
Maybe everyone here is right, or maybe not.
The only thing i really care is:
Paying 13 euros per month i can play AA and have alot of fun with my friends? if yes i dont care if someone get all the stuff in game in 1month and i need 6 months to get the same, as a casual player its allways this way, with CS or not. God, i played 3months in RU and didnt even get a tractor, and was working for it.
Now, if they take me the ability to have fun in game whithout going to CS then im going have to move on., but i dont see any signal poiting that way atm.
im going have to play with economy in-game to survive and reach some objectives, while others go for a easy way spending huge amount of Money in CS, good for them and who knows, good for me in AH.
In the end i dont like the CS, i never like it since pre 1.0, but i really really like the game so i will survive there using only 13euros per month for now, close future will tell if i stay or not.
Smite. I have almost all the gods unlocked by saving up points.
Nah, im not even remotely a fanboy of AA. 've completely forgot about it until i recieved a beta invitation last month (which i've missed).
At the other hand, im sick of people crying about stuff they can't do anything about. You knew the game will be F2P, what did you expect? They will sell costumes and mounts only in the shop? Ofc they said the shop won't be P2W and in a sense it truly isn't.
And honestly, is the tax certificate such a problem? When anyone can get patron, even for ingame cash, and the ability to pay tax with it?
I can't say anything about the labor pots, as i don't know how much use i will have it playing casually.
Though i should be used to all the qq by now.
-
And i never said anywhere that AA will takes any subscriber from wow.
The debate was about wow free trial. And how they timed it on AA release.
Perhaps you should not talk about logic and reason, if you can't understand simple things.
---
Edit.
If you say Trion is a horrible company, you obviously haven't played any games handled by Nexon and Gameforge just to mention two.
There is 2 option for anyone being upset about what's in the shop.
A: Don't play the game.
B: Deal with it.
Arguing about it, will fix nothing.
okay so they did not only add one pay to win feature, they added two!
-archeum crates.
-labor points potion.
now i guess i am done with archeage. i thought trion wouldn't be as stupidly greedy as some other publishers, but it looks like i was wrong. first they promised to let ftp players have offline LP generation, then they retracted after months of speaking about that! then now they reduce the cooldown of the lp potion under the pretense that ftp players will need more of those? what the fuck are they taking the playerbase for? for a bunch of dumb apes?
so now, not only will the gap between cash shoppers and ftps will widen, but we will have to pay for even more shitty lp potions to keep up, and the outcome will not be even worth since what you will gain will not even equal what you spent in gold! ha let's speak about the gold too, how the fuck are we gonna get gold with that system?
-for trade routes you need gold
-for farming you need lp => gold
-anything you do will require gold! except if you are willing to grind mobs which will give you nothing for months for no income.
but this is not the worst! no it's not! now they added archeum crates! what a dick move! really! that resource was the only valuable thing you could drop by grinding and now they add it to the cash shop!
in short as a ftp player:
-you can't do shit because you have no LP.
-you can't buy LP because they cut off all of the interesting gold incomes.
conclusion: we are fucked
sorry for the boring and useless text, i'm off and never looking back.
how are we fucked exactly i had no problem getting the lp as ftp to open all my coin purses and quest rewards + alittle harvesting in cb3.
What are the intresting gold incomes really? trade packs? get a guild and make them together then hand in.
Congratulations, you freeloader, you.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Well, maybe, but he gives entertainment for those who pay. So everyone's happy.
Im also playing smite, and it's a lot more fun than any mmorpg on the market at the moment, for me atleast.
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Forgot to add, im a freeloader as well.
real talk. +1
Maybe Perfect World bought Trion out secretly.
Those mystery boxes are in every game they promote...
Well maybe someone used 10 hours of their 24 hours to work and make some extra money. Someone else only worked 8 hours out of their 24 hours. The person who worked 10 hours used some of the money from the 2 extra hours they worked and brought something from the cash shop. Both people had 24 hours and both people received the benefits of what they did with that time. One spent more time playing games and getting things thru the game. The other worked more in the real world, but used some of that cash to keep up in the game. Both started with 24 hours in that day, but used them in different ways, but could very well end up in the same place at the end of the day.
But spending money in the cash shop and rewarding Trion for pulling this crap is going to?
F2P games P2W in difference levels .
but if i have to pay more than $15 for this game to be able to play same level at other in PVP then the deal is off .
I don't mind if it RMT between players (and i will buy from them if i need) but not cash shop item .
Why ? because even in RMT , things are limits , player can't create thing just by type some code .
But there are no limit in cash shop , as long as you have money . It kind of money throwing contest .
For me :
bad deal
Honor Boost Tonic
Flaming Pinion
Scroll: Resurrection (PVP ?)
Breeze Pet Helm
Breeze Mount Saddle
Breeze Pet legguards
Super bad deal (money throwing contest begin)
Explorers Daru Stash
Merchants Daru Stash
Companion Crust
Honor Safeguard Potion
Infamy Remedy
I may have fun with archeage for 4 month of half . But after that , the game going to less fun , or even turn bad.
I have some experience with F2P games before so i know , it not good smell .
After year 1 , there will be whales remain who don't mind to spend hundred or thousand per month , so the game will live strong but if you don't spend at less $100 per month or playing 12h/day then you have to quit soon
Good question...anyone?
Truth is "P2W" (although this isn't) sells.
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
So wait, P2W is inevitable, yet this isn't pay to win. That is what you are saying?
Huh?
Why isn't this pay to win? It seems like honestly the people who are saying it is are winning by a landslide right now.
Huh?
Why isn't this pay to win? It seems like honestly the people who are saying it is are winning by a landslide right now.
This isn't pay to win because its falls into the same category as convenience items.
Pay to win is where you can directly pay for "power" and/or isn't available by normal game mechanisms.
People will buy these boxes. For every person that says they despise pay to win there is 5 more that will shut their trap and spend. Why do you think gold sellers are still in business if everyone despises them? Because there is demand.
That's why every business tries to push the tolerance of whats "pay to win". because its good for business.
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
You've been bashing AA since April, every post of yours. So how exactly were u going to not look back at a game you had no intention of playing? Oh I get it, you're trolling. Don't you have anything else better to do?
Leave these people to their game and stop spreading your hate, bullying, & lies.
Nope. It's a typical cash shop random box to feed into the whales' gambling addictions.