This thread makes me laugh. The mismanagement of the AA launch in NA was so bad the CEO of Trion had to post about it. We as players keep getting crap because we accept crap. Even the Founders and Patrons had queues and still do I assume from reading the Official Forums...still.
i have issues with the game,namely the community ,gold spammers and the grindy feeling which i guess is the korean way .
However, as someone who loaded up archeage 2 days post offical launch and did not even bother to get a plot till day 5,which is when i got the patron status, i am a bit suprised to hear all this to be quite honest.
I joined a newer server which has a large population now even went to queue but checking forums for hot spots to get land i still got land in a "hot spot" and it was just alf filled.
I was at the plot again today and still a few spots and this is just one of the hot spots.
You need to leave the overcrowded server you are on and go to a newer one.
This servers have a good population and not nearly as many patrons and founders around.
launch day piling on a server is nothing new by the way.
what makes AA a problem is the uniqueness of building in open world .
I can tell you on SWG same thing happened .When housing was permitted it literally took hours for all the good land near popular cities within 1km to get taken.
I look at some of the posts above and the complete lack of any attempt to show empathy with the OP. This is not the school yard, most of you are not children or socially retarded. So don't behave like it!
Trion have behaved disgracefully (perhaps even dishonestly), all gamers do have a right to expect better but until people pull together a bit more all of us (except the freeloaders who add nothing to the genre) will keep getting burned at times.
Trion has been very smart business wise. Charging an until now unseen amount of money to get access to the "alpha" has made sure for them that should the game fail, they would still earn a good amount of money on launching it.
On the downside, Im predicting that more and more developers will do this. I like the Alpha access, I dont like that the price to get into a game has risen almost exponentially. Nobody paid $150 to play SWG (maybe they would have though..)
Customers need to be more aware about the product they get into. This is a business where emotions are running high over the products that we get and there will be players out there that will feel cheated immensely when they wake up.
Could you imagine if the cinema ticket prices tripled?
Forget the Ques - Forget the game crashes - forget the lies about DOS attacks (Maybe non-IT people believed that; but anyone with half a techonological awareness should know better) -- Forget the piss-poor community; and community management.
Forget all the issues that caused this game to really have one of the worst launches i've experienced - I can move past all that.
What i can't move past however; is this land situation - The whole purpose to my 150 dollar Archuem pack; waiting 5 years to play Archeage-
I sit back; and i realize - I'm in a situation i would be in if i never paid a single penny - The patron status; and founder pack were rather irrelevant to the condition of the game as i see it now.
Oh; i can -own- land if could find some; but i can't - None is available; zero - Nothing.
I can buy it from another player; yet they openly scam you (You pay for the land; and they will not give it to you after payment is recieved) and TW has no intentions of doing anything about it.
So what is the point? I'm at a level now where it's just grindy; and routine - and i wanna mix it open with the whole point to archage - Farming; Trade; construction - Yet even with a founder pack; due to no availability to even place a small garden farm; there is nothing else to do but grind. - What is the point?
I loved this game in alpha; promoted it to my friends; talked about it all the time. - Now between the launch; and this i only have one word to describe this "Journey" so far - Heartbroken. This was supposed to be the game to bring me back into MMORPGS full swing like the glory days -- Instead i'm more frustrated with this MMORPG than any before - and i've played nearlly every single MMO in existence.
Maybe you (the reader) care; maybe you don't -- I just felt i had to type this somewhere -- and i can't on archeage forum - They perma-banned me when i asked if reparation was going to be made for the loss of play time on head start the reason i was given was "Ban-Evasion" - and i can't even dispute it as the e-mail function is "disabled by admin" -- So i had to vent here - Thanks for listening.
You have the right to be upset, maybe luck is just not in your side.
If you allow me, i like to advice:
- You are giving up right when some land start to be available.
- Spend a few hours looking, sometimes land is available where we dont expect. You dont need to be right to npcs or close to water to start, look in spots far from water, far from special workbenchs and far from npcs sellers.
- You, as a founder have alot of credits, spend you credits to get gold and buy a plot. Theres no need to be scam, theres a iten to make a safe transaction, 25g in AH or 300credits in CS. Values around 200g need 2 of those itens (dont remember the name).
- If everthing fail, check other new servers, if we spend some time looking around, theres allways a spot somewhere even in safe zones.
- Change your idea once for all that just because you are a founder you have more rights over the land then others, you dont. You allready had what the founder packs gives: the alpha acess, the head start, patron status, some goodies and a bunch of credits.
Originally posted by jesteralways Which part of 150$ archeum pack said that you are guaranteed to get a land? it did not, you just assumed too much and that is your fault op. And i am not satisfied how the housing system is done too, it should have been more restrictive and more realistic, currently the only realistic thing about housing is there are finite number of plots and that is how it should be. now you gonna say you pay 15$ a month, we pay outrageous amount of taxes in real life too but that doesn't guarantee us a home of our own, it is same in AA. and as far as you ban goes : a thief never says "i am a thief" even when s/he is convicted.
Oh give me a fucking break, the 4 day head-start was SOLD as an assurance to get your land.
However Trion LIED about a DDOS attack, Did NOT provide enough hardware at head-start to provide for early sales numbers, and STOLE millions and millions of gamers hard earned money.
Hell Trion knows they screwed up, and they know they broke the law.
Hence why they are now giving refunds hand over fist to try and get themselves out of hot water with the CA AG's office.
If it was for this then why did he not get one? Did he just drag his feet or probably didn't take that week off from work to focus on game?
Really if he didn't manage to get land during this time as many others were able to, then it was his own fault. Even after game release people were getting land, some that should not have been allowed but they were able to.
Others were people just buying up plots as fast as they could to screw out others. He could have scored what was needed ran off to some higher level area where they weren't so populated and started searching.
Yes Trion is at fault, but he's also to blame in his own way by not planning ahead as he should have seen what would happen from Alpha/Beta's. I found an 8 x 8 a week after release, so it's possible to find something, housing will be possible over time like others have said, you have to be aware and plan accordingly.
Trion should have learned from all the other games and their own problems with launches, especially with how popular the game was going to be. Though even WoW had to take some time to get their servers under control at one point when the AH's were laggy.
That is what happens when any patron can grab land idea. You are not guaranteed anything so if you cannot accept that is part of the game the land restriction why play this game. Why even think you can handle a game like this ? Obviously what you want is a game like Everquest where everyone has a house. If you want to play a game where land is a premium then you need to scour ,go far and wide and look and not expect to get land in choice spots. You have to adapt switch servers or should have planned better when you played and gotten your land fast. Early bird gets the worm has never been truer here.
You should have never have bought the $150 since this game is too much for your game style. OP needs to play safer games where he is guaranteed his spot.
Originally posted by jesteralways Which part of 150$ archeum pack said that you are guaranteed to get a land? it did not, you just assumed too much and that is your fault op. And i am not satisfied how the housing system is done too, it should have been more restrictive and more realistic, currently the only realistic thing about housing is there are finite number of plots and that is how it should be. now you gonna say you pay 15$ a month, we pay outrageous amount of taxes in real life too but that doesn't guarantee us a home of our own, it is same in AA. and as far as you ban goes : a thief never says "i am a thief" even when s/he is convicted.
Except you are forgetting one thing....Who is the thief?
What these games "All of them" are doing is nothing more than making cash shop sales and people who make these cash shop purchases "very large ones at $150" expect something in return,there is no assumption at all.His point is that he feels like nothing more than a regular freebie player,i don't know too many people who just hand over 150 bucks to feel like a freemium,again who is the thief?
Trion didn't go into his bank account and force him to give them $150. They certainly weren't thieves. He's just having buyers remorse for blowing a lot of money on a mediocre product. That's his fault. I mean, this game was releasing as F2P. Everyone had an option to wait and try it out for free before they spent any money at all. This idea that they are thieves for charging whatever they want is just born of stupidity.
Trion sold the founders packs on the basis of exclusivity. The promise of having a better shot at getting land than the folks who didnt. No one bought the founders pack for ANY other reason to get land.
I doubt anyone appreciates your attitude or post on the subject.
I'm not looking for appreciation. I'm trying to bring clarity to a post that was just terrible. He claimed Trion were thieves. It was a ridiculous claim and your attempt to try and support the idea that Trion are thieves is just as ridiculous.
Besides that, people DID buy founders packs for many other reasons than the promise of getting to the land first. Your claim that everyone bought the founders pack for that reason alone is just an assumption likely based on your own projection.
To be fair, Trion told me that a refund was "outside their refund policy" and I tried to run off with my money after selling me a subpar product. I had to get a chargeback from my credit card company. Pretty close to thievery if you ask me.
That is what happens when any patron can grab land idea. You are not guaranteed anything so if you cannot accept that is part of the game the land restriction why play this game. Why even think you can handle a game like this ? Obviously what you want is a game like Everquest where everyone has a house. If you want to play a game where land is a premium then you need to scour ,go far and wide and look and not expect to get land in choice spots. You have to adapt switch servers or should have planned better when you played and gotten your land fast. Early bird gets the worm has never been truer here.
You should have never have bought the $150 since this game is too much for your game style. OP needs to play safer games where he is guaranteed his spot.
Again, sounds to me like you got land. Funny. Also clearly you support people using 3rd party programs to snatch up multiple plots. Im betting you also support the land scamming, after all clearly you are the toughest gamer on the internet.
Forget the Ques - Forget the game crashes - forget the lies about DOS attacks (Maybe non-IT people believed that; but anyone with half a techonological awareness should know better) -- Forget the piss-poor community; and community management.
Forget all the issues that caused this game to really have one of the worst launches i've experienced - I can move past all that.
What i can't move past however; is this land situation - The whole purpose to my 150 dollar Archuem pack; waiting 5 years to play Archeage-
I sit back; and i realize - I'm in a situation i would be in if i never paid a single penny - The patron status; and founder pack were rather irrelevant to the condition of the game as i see it now.
Oh; i can -own- land if could find some; but i can't - None is available; zero - Nothing.
I can buy it from another player; yet they openly scam you (You pay for the land; and they will not give it to you after payment is recieved) and TW has no intentions of doing anything about it.
So what is the point? I'm at a level now where it's just grindy; and routine - and i wanna mix it open with the whole point to archage - Farming; Trade; construction - Yet even with a founder pack; due to no availability to even place a small garden farm; there is nothing else to do but grind. - What is the point?
I loved this game in alpha; promoted it to my friends; talked about it all the time. - Now between the launch; and this i only have one word to describe this "Journey" so far - Heartbroken. This was supposed to be the game to bring me back into MMORPGS full swing like the glory days -- Instead i'm more frustrated with this MMORPG than any before - and i've played nearlly every single MMO in existence.
Maybe you (the reader) care; maybe you don't -- I just felt i had to type this somewhere -- and i can't on archeage forum - They perma-banned me when i asked if reparation was going to be made for the loss of play time on head start the reason i was given was "Ban-Evasion" - and i can't even dispute it as the e-mail function is "disabled by admin" -- So i had to vent here - Thanks for listening.
You have the right to be upset, maybe luck is just not in your side.
If you allow me, i like to advice:
- You are giving up right when some land start to be available.
- Spend a few hours looking, sometimes land is available where we dont expect. You dont need to be right to npcs or close to water to start, look in spots far from water, far from special workbenchs and far from npcs sellers.
- You, as a founder have alot of credits, spend you credits to get gold and buy a plot. Theres no need to be scam, theres a iten to make a safe transaction, 25g in AH or 300credits in CS. Values around 200g need 2 of those itens (dont remember the name).
- If everthing fail, check other new servers, if we spend some time looking around, theres allways a spot somewhere even in safe zones.
- Change your idea once for all that just because you are a founder you have more rights over the land then others, you dont. You allready had what the founder packs gives: the alpha acess, the head start, patron status, some goodies and a bunch of credits.
Just my personal advices.
Some land avaiably my patoot, you and I both know people are using 3rd party programs to cheat the system and take all the land. This shoots down your first 3 comments
My guild of 10 years played AA, why in the world would I quit and go to a different server to play solo?
As an apologist, none of your comments hold water, youre saying instead of buying the founders pack, you should have gotten a third party program to cheat your way to land ownership.
I don't understand how Founders failed to get land. On my headstart server there was still plenty of land available on launch day, it just wasn't in safe zones. It is of course all gone now and any new plots that open are taken by hackers, but there was more than enough time for Founders to get land in the headstart.
Also, on EU side anyways, the three newest servers still have plenty of land open on them, if it is that important and you aren't committed to a guild or friends, then reroll, takes less than a week to hit 50 and be back to where ever you are now.
I don't understand how Founders failed to get land. On my headstart server there was still plenty of land available on launch day, it just wasn't in safe zones. It is of course all gone now and any new plots that open are taken by hackers, but there was more than enough time for Founders to get land in the headstart.
Also, on EU side anyways, the three newest servers still have plenty of land open on them, if it is that important and you aren't committed to a guild or friends, then reroll, takes less than a week to hit 50 and be back to where ever you are now.
Not on the aussie server there wasnt. It was gone in the first 45 minutes, so if you got DC'd like me and had to wait several hours to get in, you were just out of luck
after reading the op's original post i'd imagine its more about the company than the game by now....just glad i couldnt get past glyph to actually dl this game in the first place
It seems to me that you are making a drastic decision without trying to come up with a solution. If you move to one of the newer servers, there is no land issue. There are many things that need to be improved with Archeage, but dire they are not IMO.
To the OPs credit, Every advertisement for the game and Patron status says you can own land. It does not say, you have a small chance in heck of getting the smallest one room house plot in a pvp zone if you are lucky and spend hour upon hour looking for it and camping demolishing houses with 20 other people.
I also dont understand how so many of you can actually think that the opening of the new island is going to bring in a lot more housing, its not and here is why:
1. Gold farmers have hacks to claim land before others. Go to youtube and see for yourself.
2. All the big guilds are building the largest buildings they possibly can and will be placing them the second they can and take up as much space as possible
3. All the super hardcore guys who already grabbed 4 to 8 plots are currently working on earning their large houses. They will be there at minute one to place them.
4. The only thing people are going to remove from the old lands are small one-room houses and 8x8 farms. There is no reason to pull up anything else. The cost to own many houses is cheap. Patrons get a boat load of LP each day and earn a free workers comp potion every 5 days. They can buy 100's of tax certificates. They dont even have to use LP's since they have so much farm land to use and sell wood and other items in the AH.
The new land will all be claimed in less than 24 hours. After that, you will be lucky to find an 8x8 there.
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Originally posted by mgilbrtsn It seems to me that you are making a drastic decision without trying to come up with a solution. If you move to one of the newer servers, there is no land issue. There are many things that need to be improved with Archeage, but dire they are not IMO.
Clearly you havent been reading where I didnt want to leave my guild of almost 10 years to go play solo.
You have the right to be upset, maybe luck is just not in your side.
If you allow me, i like to advice:
- You are giving up right when some land start to be available.
- Spend a few hours looking, sometimes land is available where we dont expect. You dont need to be right to npcs or close to water to start, look in spots far from water, far from special workbenchs and far from npcs sellers.
- You, as a founder have alot of credits, spend you credits to get gold and buy a plot. Theres no need to be scam, theres a iten to make a safe transaction, 25g in AH or 300credits in CS. Values around 200g need 2 of those itens (dont remember the name).
- If everthing fail, check other new servers, if we spend some time looking around, theres allways a spot somewhere even in safe zones.
- Change your idea once for all that just because you are a founder you have more rights over the land then others, you dont. You allready had what the founder packs gives: the alpha acess, the head start, patron status, some goodies and a bunch of credits.
Just my personal advices.
Some land avaiably my patoot, you and I both know people are using 3rd party programs to cheat the system and take all the land. This shoots down your first 3 comments
My guild of 10 years played AA, why in the world would I quit and go to a different server to play solo?
As an apologist, none of your comments hold water, youre saying instead of buying the founders pack, you should have gotten a third party program to cheat your way to land ownership.
Each one talk about is personal experience, i write about mine:
- No founder here, start as a patron few days after launch day on EU - Eanna server.
- Got a large farm in Two Crows, thanks to a guild member that found the spot.
- Befor had a small one in Dwestone, was just passing by trying to see if theres was a free spot and there it was. (luck play high here, i know)
- My small guild work all together trying to everyone get land, its not easy i know but in group is allways easy or less hard, whatever you prefer.
- This is my reality, in other servers things might be diferent, have no idea.
- OP didnt mentioned about be on a guild of friends that interfear with a possible "transfere" to other server.
I advice the OP based in what he wrote and my personal experience, didnt talk about 3rd part softwares so i apreciate you dont do that.
In the end its just my advices, take them or leave them, its simple.
Originally posted by Battlerock I'm thinking about quiting too, now here me out, I am a f2p player, but I should be given land, I don't understand why they don't just give land away right after you create your characters, if they would have had the insight to do so everyone would have land and be a lot happier.
Totally off topic..? This would belong to the discussion of if f2p should be given land. As you can see, my dear friend, we're talking about patrons, even who paid 150 for headstart, can't find a piece of land to own. Where would f2p players belong in this topic? Nowhere close.
I am pretty happy with my 8x8 in Kyrios as a soloer; I couldn't do a lot, but I am surviving.
You have the right to be upset, maybe luck is just not in your side.
If you allow me, i like to advice:
- You are giving up right when some land start to be available.
- Spend a few hours looking, sometimes land is available where we dont expect. You dont need to be right to npcs or close to water to start, look in spots far from water, far from special workbenchs and far from npcs sellers.
- You, as a founder have alot of credits, spend you credits to get gold and buy a plot. Theres no need to be scam, theres a iten to make a safe transaction, 25g in AH or 300credits in CS. Values around 200g need 2 of those itens (dont remember the name).
- If everthing fail, check other new servers, if we spend some time looking around, theres allways a spot somewhere even in safe zones.
- Change your idea once for all that just because you are a founder you have more rights over the land then others, you dont. You allready had what the founder packs gives: the alpha acess, the head start, patron status, some goodies and a bunch of credits.
Just my personal advices.
Some land avaiably my patoot, you and I both know people are using 3rd party programs to cheat the system and take all the land. This shoots down your first 3 comments
My guild of 10 years played AA, why in the world would I quit and go to a different server to play solo?
As an apologist, none of your comments hold water, youre saying instead of buying the founders pack, you should have gotten a third party program to cheat your way to land ownership.
Each one talk about is personal experience, i write about mine:
- No founder here, start as a patron few days after launch day on EU - Eanna server.
- Got a large farm in Two Crows, thanks to a guild member that found the spot.
- Befor had a small one in Dwestone, was just passing by trying to see if theres was a free spot and there it was. (luck play high here, i know)
- My small guild work all together trying to everyone get land, its not easy i know but in group is allways easy or less hard, whatever you prefer.
- This is my reality, in other servers things might be diferent, have no idea.
- OP didnt mentioned about be on a guild of friends that interfear with a possible "transfere" to other server.
I advice the OP based in what he wrote and my personal experience, didnt talk about 3rd part softwares so i apreciate you dont do that.
In the end its just my advices, take them or leave them, its simple.
Honestly, Im glad you had a better experience than a lot of people. Truly I am, my experience was just terrible. I dont even have the energy to go into the laundry list of problems I had. Headstart weekened ended up anything but.
Forget the Ques - Forget the game crashes - forget the lies about DOS attacks (Maybe non-IT people believed that; but anyone with half a techonological awareness should know better) -- Forget the piss-poor community; and community management.
Bad start... DDOS attacks are not a matter of faith - they exist and it doesn't even take a lot of "technological awareness" to launch them... they could even be easily started by raging ex-fanboys... the same ones who are part of the campaign to rate AA 0 at metacritic with their one and only game review ever.
If you ever want to see real time DOS or DDOS activity you can do so here. There is malicious packet activity happening somewhere in the world 24/7.... believe it. Was everything wrong with AA launch caused by DDOS attacks? Of course not, but they definitely were targeted several times during the first week.
Forget all the issues that caused this game to really have one of the worst launches i've experienced - I can move past all that.
No argument here. From the perspective of connectivity, this was not one of the worse, it was THE worst launch ever. Up to 6 hour queues after a disconnect was unforgivable.
What i can't move past however; is this land situation - The whole purpose to my 150 dollar Archuem pack; waiting 5 years to play Archeage-
I sit back; and i realize - I'm in a situation i would be in if i never paid a single penny - The patron status; and founder pack were rather irrelevant to the condition of the game as i see it now.
Actually.... the whole purpose of the founders packs was 4 day early access for the land rush. Even someone like me who was undecided about AA until the last possible minute before headstart knew that. I got my pack the night before headstart for the sole purpose of ensuring I got land... and despite 2 disconnects and lengthy re-queues after each, I managed to get a farmhouse, large farm and small farm all next to each other in Gweonid around 8 hours after the beginning of headstart.
If you were a founder and couldn't play on that first day for whatever reason, you would have been out of luck with land in the safe zones. But even 4 days later, the day of the official launch, plots could be had in any of the pvp zones... and this is on Kyrios, the busiest server.
Why didn't you get some?
Oh; i can -own- land if could find some; but i can't - None is available; zero - Nothing.
Sorry but that made my BS meter tingle. 8X8 plots can still be had - I know this for a fact because somenone in my guild started playing just yesterday and he had no problem finding one... anything larger than that? Yeah it's a problem and there are hackers running scripts claiming whatever comes up.
I can buy it from another player; yet they openly scam you (You pay for the land; and they will not give it to you after payment is recieved) and TW has no intentions of doing anything about it.
You can only get scammed if you try to bypass the safe way of buying/selling land/houses using appraisal certificates... I would never dream of buying anything from anyone in AA on the "honor system." The whole idea is riidiculous given the "dog eat dog" nature of the AA community.
I do have some general sympathy for you and your disappointment about something you were looking forward to for a long time.... just don't BS... it really does take away from the any valid points you might otherwise have.
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I feel your pain OP, I just uninstalled my last MMO game I had on my PC, I am done with the crappy concepts and the lack of respect of developers towards the players, everything is see how much money they can squeeze, game sin the last few years are full of bugs that never get fixed, full of empty promises, forums filled with white knights (many of them staff from the game's company) etc etc. I feel honestly for you, that is the reason I am not forking 150, 100, 60 or any amount for any game until the game has been out for a while to see if it is worth it or not. Archeage has a good look but the implementation has been horrible.
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn It seems to me that you are making a drastic decision without trying to come up with a solution. If you move to one of the newer servers, there is no land issue. There are many things that need to be improved with Archeage, but dire they are not IMO.
Clearly you havent been reading where I didnt want to leave my guild of almost 10 years to go play solo.
Why not? Only reason to be in a guild is for the advantages it provides you in game.
Your guild, if they really are your friends, will be happy to relocate to another server and start over if there is an issue with a majority of their members unable to get proper land.
However, if it's just a problem for a few, then they should be willing to also assist, but either sharing the land they've got with you, letting you work on the guild farms and keeping the rewards, or working collectively like my guild does where everyone who wishes can kick in to help gather, farm etc, and they provide the gear back to you.
If your guild isn't doing any of the above, ask yourself why you are staying with them? Like someone said, perhaps it's time to make some new friends.
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Originally posted by mgilbrtsn It seems to me that you are making a drastic decision without trying to come up with a solution. If you move to one of the newer servers, there is no land issue. There are many things that need to be improved with Archeage, but dire they are not IMO.
Clearly you havent been reading where I didnt want to leave my guild of almost 10 years to go play solo.
Why not? Only reason to be in a guild is for the advantages it provides you in game.
Your guild, if they really are your friends, will be happy to relocate to another server and start over if there is an issue with a majority of their members unable to get proper land.
However, if it's just a problem for a few, then they should be willing to also assist, but either sharing the land they've got with you, letting you work on the guild farms and keeping the rewards, or working collectively like my guild does where everyone who wishes can kick in to help gather, farm etc, and they provide the gear back to you.
If your guild isn't doing any of the above, ask yourself why you are staying with them? Like someone said, perhaps it's time to make some new friends.
I didnt stick around long enough for their help honestly, 13 hours in queue on opening weekend, 3 hours in queue to talk to a customer service agent. 1 week to get a response that says my request for a refund is "outside the refund policy"
Thankfully the conversation with my credit card company for the chargeback didnt take but a few minutes.
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This thread makes me laugh. The mismanagement of the AA launch in NA was so bad the CEO of Trion had to post about it. We as players keep getting crap because we accept crap. Even the Founders and Patrons had queues and still do I assume from reading the Official Forums...still.
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?52941-ArcheAge-Launch-Update-Capacities-Communication-and-Where-to-Find-Info
Hi,
i have issues with the game,namely the community ,gold spammers and the grindy feeling which i guess is the korean way .
However, as someone who loaded up archeage 2 days post offical launch and did not even bother to get a plot till day 5,which is when i got the patron status, i am a bit suprised to hear all this to be quite honest.
I joined a newer server which has a large population now even went to queue but checking forums for hot spots to get land i still got land in a "hot spot" and it was just alf filled.
I was at the plot again today and still a few spots and this is just one of the hot spots.
You need to leave the overcrowded server you are on and go to a newer one.
This servers have a good population and not nearly as many patrons and founders around.
launch day piling on a server is nothing new by the way.
what makes AA a problem is the uniqueness of building in open world .
I can tell you on SWG same thing happened .When housing was permitted it literally took hours for all the good land near popular cities within 1km to get taken.
Sometimes this community is an embarrassment.
I look at some of the posts above and the complete lack of any attempt to show empathy with the OP. This is not the school yard, most of you are not children or socially retarded. So don't behave like it!
Trion have behaved disgracefully (perhaps even dishonestly), all gamers do have a right to expect better but until people pull together a bit more all of us (except the freeloaders who add nothing to the genre) will keep getting burned at times.
There will be a massive land grab soon when Auroria opens up, thats if you got the stomach to build there
I will be building 2 thatched farmhouses there with my guild if / when we claim a castle !
Trion has been very smart business wise. Charging an until now unseen amount of money to get access to the "alpha" has made sure for them that should the game fail, they would still earn a good amount of money on launching it.
On the downside, Im predicting that more and more developers will do this. I like the Alpha access, I dont like that the price to get into a game has risen almost exponentially. Nobody paid $150 to play SWG (maybe they would have though..)
Customers need to be more aware about the product they get into. This is a business where emotions are running high over the products that we get and there will be players out there that will feel cheated immensely when they wake up.
Could you imagine if the cinema ticket prices tripled?
You have the right to be upset, maybe luck is just not in your side.
If you allow me, i like to advice:
- You are giving up right when some land start to be available.
- Spend a few hours looking, sometimes land is available where we dont expect. You dont need to be right to npcs or close to water to start, look in spots far from water, far from special workbenchs and far from npcs sellers.
- You, as a founder have alot of credits, spend you credits to get gold and buy a plot. Theres no need to be scam, theres a iten to make a safe transaction, 25g in AH or 300credits in CS. Values around 200g need 2 of those itens (dont remember the name).
- If everthing fail, check other new servers, if we spend some time looking around, theres allways a spot somewhere even in safe zones.
- Change your idea once for all that just because you are a founder you have more rights over the land then others, you dont. You allready had what the founder packs gives: the alpha acess, the head start, patron status, some goodies and a bunch of credits.
Just my personal advices.
If it was for this then why did he not get one? Did he just drag his feet or probably didn't take that week off from work to focus on game?
Really if he didn't manage to get land during this time as many others were able to, then it was his own fault. Even after game release people were getting land, some that should not have been allowed but they were able to.
Others were people just buying up plots as fast as they could to screw out others. He could have scored what was needed ran off to some higher level area where they weren't so populated and started searching.
Yes Trion is at fault, but he's also to blame in his own way by not planning ahead as he should have seen what would happen from Alpha/Beta's. I found an 8 x 8 a week after release, so it's possible to find something, housing will be possible over time like others have said, you have to be aware and plan accordingly.
Trion should have learned from all the other games and their own problems with launches, especially with how popular the game was going to be. Though even WoW had to take some time to get their servers under control at one point when the AH's were laggy.
That is what happens when any patron can grab land idea. You are not guaranteed anything so if you cannot accept that is part of the game the land restriction why play this game. Why even think you can handle a game like this ? Obviously what you want is a game like Everquest where everyone has a house. If you want to play a game where land is a premium then you need to scour ,go far and wide and look and not expect to get land in choice spots. You have to adapt switch servers or should have planned better when you played and gotten your land fast. Early bird gets the worm has never been truer here.
You should have never have bought the $150 since this game is too much for your game style. OP needs to play safer games where he is guaranteed his spot.
To be fair, Trion told me that a refund was "outside their refund policy" and I tried to run off with my money after selling me a subpar product. I had to get a chargeback from my credit card company. Pretty close to thievery if you ask me.
Again, sounds to me like you got land. Funny. Also clearly you support people using 3rd party programs to snatch up multiple plots. Im betting you also support the land scamming, after all clearly you are the toughest gamer on the internet.
/sarcasm off
Some land avaiably my patoot, you and I both know people are using 3rd party programs to cheat the system and take all the land. This shoots down your first 3 comments
My guild of 10 years played AA, why in the world would I quit and go to a different server to play solo?
As an apologist, none of your comments hold water, youre saying instead of buying the founders pack, you should have gotten a third party program to cheat your way to land ownership.
I don't understand how Founders failed to get land. On my headstart server there was still plenty of land available on launch day, it just wasn't in safe zones. It is of course all gone now and any new plots that open are taken by hackers, but there was more than enough time for Founders to get land in the headstart.
Also, on EU side anyways, the three newest servers still have plenty of land open on them, if it is that important and you aren't committed to a guild or friends, then reroll, takes less than a week to hit 50 and be back to where ever you are now.
Not on the aussie server there wasnt. It was gone in the first 45 minutes, so if you got DC'd like me and had to wait several hours to get in, you were just out of luck
I self identify as a monkey.
To the OPs credit, Every advertisement for the game and Patron status says you can own land. It does not say, you have a small chance in heck of getting the smallest one room house plot in a pvp zone if you are lucky and spend hour upon hour looking for it and camping demolishing houses with 20 other people.
I also dont understand how so many of you can actually think that the opening of the new island is going to bring in a lot more housing, its not and here is why:
1. Gold farmers have hacks to claim land before others. Go to youtube and see for yourself.
2. All the big guilds are building the largest buildings they possibly can and will be placing them the second they can and take up as much space as possible
3. All the super hardcore guys who already grabbed 4 to 8 plots are currently working on earning their large houses. They will be there at minute one to place them.
4. The only thing people are going to remove from the old lands are small one-room houses and 8x8 farms. There is no reason to pull up anything else. The cost to own many houses is cheap. Patrons get a boat load of LP each day and earn a free workers comp potion every 5 days. They can buy 100's of tax certificates. They dont even have to use LP's since they have so much farm land to use and sell wood and other items in the AH.
The new land will all be claimed in less than 24 hours. After that, you will be lucky to find an 8x8 there.
Clearly you havent been reading where I didnt want to leave my guild of almost 10 years to go play solo.
Each one talk about is personal experience, i write about mine:
- No founder here, start as a patron few days after launch day on EU - Eanna server.
- Got a large farm in Two Crows, thanks to a guild member that found the spot.
- Befor had a small one in Dwestone, was just passing by trying to see if theres was a free spot and there it was. (luck play high here, i know)
- My small guild work all together trying to everyone get land, its not easy i know but in group is allways easy or less hard, whatever you prefer.
- This is my reality, in other servers things might be diferent, have no idea.
- OP didnt mentioned about be on a guild of friends that interfear with a possible "transfere" to other server.
I advice the OP based in what he wrote and my personal experience, didnt talk about 3rd part softwares so i apreciate you dont do that.
In the end its just my advices, take them or leave them, its simple.
Totally off topic..? This would belong to the discussion of if f2p should be given land. As you can see, my dear friend, we're talking about patrons, even who paid 150 for headstart, can't find a piece of land to own. Where would f2p players belong in this topic? Nowhere close.
I am pretty happy with my 8x8 in Kyrios as a soloer; I couldn't do a lot, but I am surviving.
Honestly, Im glad you had a better experience than a lot of people. Truly I am, my experience was just terrible. I dont even have the energy to go into the laundry list of problems I had. Headstart weekened ended up anything but.
Bad start... DDOS attacks are not a matter of faith - they exist and it doesn't even take a lot of "technological awareness" to launch them... they could even be easily started by raging ex-fanboys... the same ones who are part of the campaign to rate AA 0 at metacritic with their one and only game review ever.
If you ever want to see real time DOS or DDOS activity you can do so here. There is malicious packet activity happening somewhere in the world 24/7.... believe it. Was everything wrong with AA launch caused by DDOS attacks? Of course not, but they definitely were targeted several times during the first week.
No argument here. From the perspective of connectivity, this was not one of the worse, it was THE worst launch ever. Up to 6 hour queues after a disconnect was unforgivable.
Actually.... the whole purpose of the founders packs was 4 day early access for the land rush. Even someone like me who was undecided about AA until the last possible minute before headstart knew that. I got my pack the night before headstart for the sole purpose of ensuring I got land... and despite 2 disconnects and lengthy re-queues after each, I managed to get a farmhouse, large farm and small farm all next to each other in Gweonid around 8 hours after the beginning of headstart.
If you were a founder and couldn't play on that first day for whatever reason, you would have been out of luck with land in the safe zones. But even 4 days later, the day of the official launch, plots could be had in any of the pvp zones... and this is on Kyrios, the busiest server.
Why didn't you get some?
Sorry but that made my BS meter tingle. 8X8 plots can still be had - I know this for a fact because somenone in my guild started playing just yesterday and he had no problem finding one... anything larger than that? Yeah it's a problem and there are hackers running scripts claiming whatever comes up.
You can only get scammed if you try to bypass the safe way of buying/selling land/houses using appraisal certificates... I would never dream of buying anything from anyone in AA on the "honor system." The whole idea is riidiculous given the "dog eat dog" nature of the AA community.
I do have some general sympathy for you and your disappointment about something you were looking forward to for a long time.... just don't BS... it really does take away from the any valid points you might otherwise have.
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Let me guess OP you play a western race on a high pop server?
Play east, go low pop, no problem there to get land.
It's worth starting over if you like the game so much, game's only a couple weeks old you won't be that far behind.
If your friends don't follow you'll make new ones.
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Why not? Only reason to be in a guild is for the advantages it provides you in game.
Your guild, if they really are your friends, will be happy to relocate to another server and start over if there is an issue with a majority of their members unable to get proper land.
However, if it's just a problem for a few, then they should be willing to also assist, but either sharing the land they've got with you, letting you work on the guild farms and keeping the rewards, or working collectively like my guild does where everyone who wishes can kick in to help gather, farm etc, and they provide the gear back to you.
If your guild isn't doing any of the above, ask yourself why you are staying with them? Like someone said, perhaps it's time to make some new friends.
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I didnt stick around long enough for their help honestly, 13 hours in queue on opening weekend, 3 hours in queue to talk to a customer service agent. 1 week to get a response that says my request for a refund is "outside the refund policy"
Thankfully the conversation with my credit card company for the chargeback didnt take but a few minutes.